Onkyo TX-RZ50 Review | This is the best receiver value right now!

[@GalvTexGuy]

Got my RZ50 2 weeks ago. Loving everything about it!

[@Upscaled_HT]

Solid choice. Enjoy!

[@SupraManG]

I was deciding between the DENON X4800H and the ONKYO RZ50. Although I wanted the Deonon, the price wouldn't come down. Then one day on Amazon, the price for the ONKYO went down to $800. I pulled the trigger because I knew that was the lowest I would see on any of the 2 receivers. So far, I've run the calibration tool and it sounds pretty good to me. I'm sure I can do more tweaks with it but for now, I'm digging with what this machine is cookin'!

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

@@SupraManG I have been running a Denon 2800 for some months now, which replaced an old Onkyo 605, and I just can't warm up to the Denon's house sound compared to the Onkyo.

[@michaelmarquez6133]

Someone on Facebook near me is selling his I think like 650 or something! I paid 1100 I think dammit 😂

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

@@michaelmarquez6133 The RZ50 you mean?

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

@@SupraManG You know what I just can't get over? The way the Denon models below the 4800 are so compact in size - people always compare the 3800 with the RZ50, based on price class, but the Onkyo DWARFS the Denon when you see them side by side.

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

@@michaelmarquez6133 You mean he's selling an RZ50?

[@enigmascv]

I always forward to your hands on assessment! Good review

[@Upscaled_HT]

Thanks for watching!

[@AndreStoop-sr3gu]

I have not done Dirac on my RZ70 yet, but I’ve read that the input should be an unused port eg dvd and then more accurate readings will be measured. I’ll try that out once I do the Dirac.

[@mwaikibaki8227]

THX certified, Dirac, full set of pre-outs, 120 wpc two channels driven. Yup, good deal. Only concern would be reliability especially for those of us who prefer to stick to a receiver for at least 10 years

[@illogicman]

@@mwaikibaki8227 You never know these days as the more tech, the more can go wrong. But I had my last Onkyo for 14 years. Sold it and it's still going at the new owners house today. I now have the RZ70 and so far, really happy with it. If it lasts 1 year or ten year, who knows. All I know is if you want one, you have to buy one. 🙂

[@dannybryant8296]

Too bad it looks like my microwave. Vintage silver face gets the aesthetic win.

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

​​@@dannybryant8296I happen to love Onkyo's aesthetics, especially on the RZ Series - imposing, power amp-like chassis; thick brushed aluminum faceplate; metal volume knob etc. I wish Denon overbuilt their receivers like this; my X2800 looks like a toy compared to the RZ50.

[@d_manoil1647]

I got a super great deal on the pioneer 505, hope its close to the rz50. Canadian prices are insane. Rz50 is over $2200

[@Upscaled_HT]

$2200 is rough. The 505 is a very good receiver. I used a Pioneer receiver for many years and loved it.

[@gregcaruana2879]

Wonder if the extension cable on the stock mic was interfering with measurements. I heard it's finicky. Might have just added more noise.

[@Upscaled_HT]

It’s possible. People have commented that it might’ve worked that I just use the stock mic with the laptop software.

[@tazoriginal]

Seems as if you have 3 setups in the house. Could you do a video on the different setups or put the equipment in the description by room.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I’m a thinking about doing that. Good idea.

[@deadline7610]

Nicely Done. I did hear that with the latest update to the rz50 Direc has announced bass control (for $299). The new RZ30 has independent sub outs for at least 2 hundred more retail. A little less power on the RZ30 but that wouldn't be a problem for your setup. I always wondered how much of a difference Direct vs AccuEQ ? Happy listening.

[@Upscaled_HT]

Accu EQ actually does a pretty good job but direct is a little noticeably better in my opinion.

[@robjohnson9235]

Nice review! I am hoping Onkyo announces a new pre/pro at CES.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I really think they should do that maybe charge 2 to $300 less.

[@grd90u]

Such a solid review. I was struggling with the mic that came with the system as well. I got it to work but was only able to get 9 positions. UMIK-1 is on the way. Thank you. Oh btw, I don't use Atlona anymore. They're stuff is too problematic. They're not the company they used to be. I cut over to fiber optic HDMI cables and I'm able to run everything with no handshake issues at all over super long distances. Now, whenever I have an HDMI issue, it has to do with my LG C1 TV. If I power cycle it, the problem goes away for a few weeks then slowly creeps back. Your home and audio racks are full on gorgeous. I put my amps on a rack from Costco out in my garage. Keep the heat from everything out there.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I did a lot of research and decided that an Atlona was the only thing that would give me everything I wanted. So I mostly based all video on Ethernet hdbase cable runs. It works about 95% of the time. Worst case is I power off everything and turn it on again. The theater has all native hdmi running into my anthem.

[@eagerobeaver]

Let me know if you want to sell your old unit. Thanks for the review.

[@geohof]

U can you use the stock onkyo mic with your laptop to run Dirac. Gives you options to run less positions as well, for testing purposes.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I didn’t try that due to frustration. I just went for the umik 1.

[@geohof]

I yielded better results using Dirac on a laptop vs the app. More granular control and you can import other curves.

[@michael-4k4000]

Have one. It’s a great receiver for what u get. $800 is an amazing price. Paid $1000 about a year ago. It’s not lacking anything

[@Upscaled_HT]

It is a great receiver, even at full price. The fact that it can process 7.1.4 is icing on the cake.

[@pablovi77]

You rich countries have it so easy, it’s $1,500 USD here now, and it was $2,000 when released or even more.

[@michaelmarquez6133]

I have had rz50 for some momths now and i have a 7.1.2 setup i believe. 1 sub and a pair of atmos . I actually have 4 in ceiling speakers 2 for surround rear and 2 for atmos but for some reason i couldn't get it to sound like what i was expecting. I realized that my center channel tweeter crossover is messed up so i replaced the center and purchased the bass option and ran dirac live again. FINALLY the sound i have been wanting is there ! I put for example star wars were Ray is trying to outrun the stormtroopers in the Falcon and wow all around were sounds even at lower volumes! Im very happy for now but i want 2 more atmos and i have an amp for the front left right but i think i will need another amp for 2 more height speakers

[@SmittyAZ]

@michaelmarquez6133 This unit will only amp the surround sound back speakers, right?

[@Upscaled_HT]

If you want to set up a 7.1.4 system and use all of the nine internal amplifiers you need to set up an external amplifier for the back surround speakers.

[@michaelmarquez6133]

@SmittyAZ actually I am in the middle of putting 2 more height speakers so I will have 4 dolby atmose but I am waiting on an amp to make that work. I also have my left right on an amp just to get better sound so far i am happy cant wait to hear the additional dolby.

[@Jamie-u1b]

The last two Onkyo AV Receivers I had both broke after a few years. The HDMI switching boards on each stopped working. Is this something common other people have experienced?

[@Upscaled_HT]

I haven’t had one with HDMI board issues but I’ve had two really old fully die. My newer ones have been solid.

[@illogicman]

If I'm not wrong, I believe it's the phone/tablet version that causes those issues and not the included mic.

[@romainformet4346]

Agreed! Also you can use the included mic and a laptop with Dirac.. no need to change the mic unless you can/want to do it.

[@sage11x]

The nutty protect mode that engages if one of your speakers dips to 4 ohms makes this a no go for me. I’d pay more to get a more reliable AVR.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I would imagine you have to be pushing it quite hard while going sub 4 ohms to have it go into protection mode. I probably recommend throwing an AC infinity fan on top if you know you're driving low impedance speakers and high volume levels.

[@robwr737]

That probably shouldn't happen, check all your speaker wires/connectors.if you are using standard speaker wire twisted into posts and not something crazy expensive like XLR. If you have any bad wire or little bits not perfectly twisted tight and poking out the side of binding posts or loose in a banana plug it will cause all sorts of problems ! People forget this and it's rarely mentioned.

[@happypuppy8221]

Dirac was so frustrating for me as well. I will have to try a better mic. Thanks for the video.

[@Upscaled_HT]

Hope it works out for you. People keep telling me to try the stock microphone paired with a laptop.

[@sammy10001]

Dirac is definitely glitchy. You got some learning to do, if you are going to commit to this room correction software with custom target curves. target curtains and double checking results of the curves on REW. Especially if you upgrade to DLBC, and eventually ART. Side note: I cant believe how quickly your rec room speakers roll off at. Falls off a cliff at 120 hz.

[@Upscaled_HT]

Me too. It still set the crossover at 70hz. I really don’t like in wall speakers. I did it because my wife wanted them.

[@davonfranklin5158]

Great video. Most detailed AVR vid I’ve ever watched; the hook up in two different types of rooms did it for me. Cheers. Maybe it wasn’t the fan noise because the UMIK 1 is a lot more sensitive than the stock mic. I’m betting the stock mic was faulty or more likely the tablet could not maintain the connection speed needed for Dirac to do its thing.

[@Upscaled_HT]

Glad you liked it. Not sure what the problem was. I’ve never had an issue with any stock mic but I eventually got it done.

[@chevyspeed6368]

I have this same receiver. I bought it back when it first came out and paid double what you got it for! Awesome price for a great receiver! However, I do have some complaints which I can share with you. 1) The receiver's relays are loud, and it likes to use the relays a lot. 2) When watching dolby digital content and anytime you pause, rewind/fastforward, or anything that pauses the sound the receiver takes forever to get the sound back. You can hear the relay kick off and then finally kick back on when the sound comes back. Usually takes about 5 seconds. Its annoying but not unbearable. Just note that when you are pausing a movie you will have to probably rewind a bit so that you dont miss any dialogue. Im hoping that Onkyo fixes this through a firmware update if enough people keep complaining to them. I have no idea why they would kick off the relay everytime it senses no audio input. 3) And this is big COMPLAINT, the hdmi board is faulty! Its a known issue that the strm box hdmi port if you use it to plug in a smart tv dongle like fire stick or nvidia shield, chromecast, etc that it will constantly loose signal. The work around that i found on a forum and that i use is to plug in your streaming box into another hdmi port and re-assign "strm box" into that port. So in other words do not use hdmi port 4 (strm box) to plug in any of your streaming media boxes. You might have to do this a couple times until you find a good port that does not mess up. For some reason the hdmi ports do not like Stream Boxes. Forums say that the HDMI board is a bad one used from previous Onkyo's. Maybe Onkyo has fixed the hdmi board issue with these latest batch, but just something to keep an eye out on if you have issues with video cutting in and out. I thought it was my hdmi cable and i went thru 10 hdmi cables and even purchased 5 different types of hdmi optical cables thinking it was my cable. It was not! Things i do love about it: 1) Dirac is amazing! 2) The menu is amazing and very easy to navigate and adjust different settings (unlike sony!). 3) The future proofing is amazing with all 8k hdmi ports (if the hdmi board doesnt go bad). 4) The amount of inputs is just faboulus. The ability to add extra channels with the pre-outs is amazing as well. 5) The quick info menu is awesome, which lets you see what the receiver is outputting is very helpful. 6) The ability to change the tones, loudness, and bass level as well as different music vs movie sound profiles quickly right on the remote is something that all receivers should do! The pros in my opinion outweigh the cons and I would definitely purchase this receiver again, especially at $800! lol. The receiver just takes some patience and some workarounds but overall is amazing. Huge noticeable sound difference over my Sony and Denon Receivers! I returned my Denon 8300h after trying out the Onkyo RZ50. Its that good!

[@Upscaled_HT]

The price I paid, I can let the few shortcomings slide. I think it's worth the full asking price but the current sales make this receiver a must have.

[@tonyt.5771]

If you dont want any HDMI issues,dont use them,use the TVs inputs,never had issues of that sort.

[@Liquid_Cooled]

When watching content with Atmos, what listening mode did you use on the RZ50? I’m reading conflicting things online. Not sure if it’s best to use Direct (turn or Dirac settings?) or putting it on Dolby Surround

[@Upscaled_HT]

When listening to ATMOS, you wouldn't use any upmixer like dolby surround. It should just say Dolby Atmos when you hit the display button.

[@jibberjabber6919]

I have the same issues with Dirac on my TX-NR7100. It actually used to work but stopped in the last 2 years when i tried to run it again.

[@Upscaled_HT]

Maybe using the Umik 1 would fix it

[@jibberjabber6919]

@@Upscaled_HT I might try that sometime. thanks

[@lifewithintergrity]

Are you sure that extension cable you used wasn’t causing a noise issue? I’ve had plenty of those give buzzing and crackling or popping. I would try to use it with a set of earbuds to check that out.

[@Upscaled_HT]

It’s possible. I did test using my old onkyo rz830 and it had no issues. Without the extension cable, it wouldn’t have worked at all in that room.

[@Scuurpro]

just got the rz30 now the rz50 is cheaper not sure if I should return for it

[@Upscaled_HT]

I would if you’re in the return window

[@rogerdjs]

In 5 years I've purchased 3 Onkyo receivers and All of them failed because of HDMI issues. Even the one's that were repaired by Onkyo failed soon after. I was a fan of Onkyo until the lack of customer service and lack of reliability. Since then I've Purchased an Emotiva MR1 and have not looked back. Onkyo is dropping the price for a reason...

[@Upscaled_HT]

I've had 2 Onkyo's fail on me out like 7 in my life. They provided years of good service before they died. I can see your point. I still believe in the brand and have no issues with their newer products.

[@robwr737]

They mostly fixed the hdmi board problems a few years ago. You should be fine now with Onkyo and new ownership and marketing push means they are going to be better at customer service/ Warranty replacement or repair but it's unlikely they will have many failures. Any product from any manufacturer will have small batches or units that do fail, that's the nature of any electronics but the failure rate for Onkyo should be very low now. I had a bunch of failures way back when also, but still have 2 working units one for over 6 years running 5 channels in my bedroom. Time for an upgrade in power though so I want an RZ50 or 30/70 depending.

[@cizcalodiablopanzon]

Hello there! My question is... Is there a big difference when you use the internal Onkyo's amps and external amps? Besides being louder?

[@Upscaled_HT]

It really depends on what speakers you’re using and how loud you play them. For most applications the internal amps are fine.

[@MrTchou]

i have a RZ70 and did the dirac calibration with a mac and the provided Puck mic, it worked great so far. I upgraded to DLBC and it did wonders in my room (i don't have a dedicated room) i rediscovered my speakers tbh. i will get a umik at some point and try again to see if it's better or not.

[@BalanBro2]

The lack of independent sub outs was a miss for this model. I really don't know why that wasn't included at this price point. I think many people looking at this level of receiver are either considering or already have dual subs. Unfortunately they cannot be managed independently and will be treated as a single summed output. This mostly defeats the purpose of advanced room correction like Dirac Live with Bass Control as it won't be able to optimize both subs for your room.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I wish you had independent sub outs

[@jayanth777]

Is this Auro3D compatible?

[@charlesking678]

Damn. Who would have thought that onkyo would be comparable to an anthem!

[@Upscaled_HT]

It's really good. When set up correctly it would be almost impossible to tell them apart.

[@yourpcmd]

I have the RZ30. I skipped the RZ50 due to the HDMI issues it has.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I haven’t experienced any HDMI issues with the RZ 50

[@_F8.]

I have an RZ50 and haven't either. What issues are people experiencing?

[@yourpcmd]

@@_F8. HDMI's going out, dying.

[@WhiteGhost0891]

The Onkyo mic can be used with the laptop , tablet , or phone. You do not need a different mic. I tried with both and I'll say the Onkyo calibrated mic sounds better.

[@Tom-kp2lv]

I also just got an RZ50 and had similar issues with the Dirac setup initially, but I found that once I used the software on a laptop and went through calibrating the levels, it then worked flawlessly. Same mic. Seems to me that the app is harder to use, and using the full software works well, and doesn't require buying a calibrated mic. The cable length was an issue for me too - I wish they would supply a longer cable. The extended cable might be picking up more noise, so if anyone needs an extension, i would recommend keeping it as short as possible. If you really need more length, then using a real calibrated mic with a balanced (XLR) cable is probably the way to go.

[@michaelmarquez6133]

What is your setup? Right now I have in my living room 7.1.2 I believe. 3 in the front and I have left right surround bookshelf on stands. And in ceiling 2 in rear surround and right above my seating 2 dolby atmos. So I have my front left right hooked up to an amp but I want to add 2 more dolby atmos in ceiling like in front of my seating so closer to the TV but I think I need to add another amp unless I use the amp I have to power the additional height right? In the back of reciever the second zone and second height are the same I think ? I get confused

[@Tom-kp2lv]

@@michaelmarquez6133 I'm not sure if you're asking me what my setup is or why it would help, but if it is of any use, it is a simple 5.1 setup with the mains bi-amped

[@Audiomainia2310]

Its advised to always do firmware update before anything else.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I did e firmware update. Just not in the video.

[@tazoriginal]

Just a reminder RZ50 now can be upgraded to bass control.

[@Upscaled_HT]

$300 I believe but yes it’s available.

[@bejike1ify]

Hi! Could you give me the type of microphone? Thanks!

[@Upscaled_HT]

It’s a minidsp umik amzn.to/3DEIvSw

[@bejike1ify]

@@Upscaled_HT Thank you!😀

[@Mjaybird]

Would going UMIK 1 microphone give me better results?

[@Audiomainia2310]

Absolutely worth the money.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I think it could potentially give you better results and it definitely makes the setup process smoother.

[@chebrubin]

I like your channel. Onkyo, Sony ES have just dropped the ball on selling a processor only variant of their latest gear. Imagine a installer only variant of the RZ50 with 9.1.4 processor. Not to comment on the Anthem AVM 70 or 90. But a Marantz AV10 does it all. I am hopping you but a refurbished Marantz AV10 and compare to your Anthem in the big room.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I think they should make a wider range of processors for sure.

[@10MEGAMETAL]

Between your(ONKYO)RZ50 vs VSX LX-505 (PIONEER)they both in sale now: $849/$899 which one is the best????

[@Upscaled_HT]

I would go with the Onkyo.

[@10MEGAMETAL]

@Upscaled_HT is there a reason? Why?

[@retroforce6919]

I bought my Marantz Cinema 50 before Dirac was available for it, I ran Audyssey setup. Once Dirac was available I purchased it and ran Dirac setup. To be honest I did an A and B test, I couldn't tell a difference between the two setups.

[@Upscaled_HT]

Audyssey is pretty good. People like to think they hear something to justify their expensive purchases. I try to see beyond that.

[@MM-eu9hm]

Agree with you all unless the sound is outrageous you can't tell me difference what am I going to use 120 watts for to go deaf?

[@jhue73]

ive tried the onkyo rz70 and denon x4800h and dirac does timbre match all my speakers way better, the transitions from each speaker sound the same even though my heights and surrounds are different than my fronts and also the phasing and reflections sound better in my untreated room, but audyssey sounds more dynamic and less compressed.

[@shawnwacek6791]

I have speakers that are 4ohm 8 ohm compatibility I can switch between 4 to 8 ohm for the speakers have the rz50 receiver set to 4 ohm for the speakers your comment I'm wondering if I should switch it to 8 ohm to maybe get more power

[@Upscaled_HT]

I'm giving the audioholics guys credit but they recommend setting the receiver the to 6 - 8 ohms. It cuts power in 4 ohm mode.

[@CharlieMalisa]

Appreciate the detailed breakdown! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?

[@contragica8609]

Unfortunately, that receiver is not manufactured by "Onkio" because as is already known, this company has not existed since 2016.

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

Love the THX "Digitally Mastered" audio cue in the beginning.... I'm still watching DVDs that have that pre-feature intro! I really wanted this AVR, and as a once-diehard Onkyo fan, it's what I had my heart set on to replace our old TX-SR605. However, a couple of things stopped me, starting with the way this amp would be overkill for our needs. We're only running a 5.1 setup without overhead channels or speaker top modules, and our surround speakers are already in the ceiling. So Atmos would be lost on us, as would the extra channels this thing powers. I also wouldn't use Dirac, as I don't care for auto setup routines or room correction, so that's another redundant feature for me. I also absolutely HATE - and this is a big one for me, and what drove me to a Denon AVR-X2800 - the fact that the Onkyos don't show the input name and sound mode at the same time on the front panel anymore. This was a ridiculous omission, especially given the available screen space these big RZs have (even the lesser NR models), and even though people have complained to Premium Audio Group/Voxx/Sharp about it, nothing's been done to change it. They also dropped the incredibly helpful IntelliVolume feature. Aside from not being able to fit the RZ50 in our cabinet (I think we can squeeze the 30 in), I don't believe, I just feel like this AVR is overkill for us. Would it make sense to buy this model to power a 5.1 arrangement if I'm sold on its aesthetics and build quality alone?

[@Upscaled_HT]

You can experiment with your overhead speakers and setup a 3.1.2 vs a regular 5.1. At msrp, I would say it’s overkill but at 800, it would be impossible to find a better receiver.

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

@Upscaled_HT Thanks very much for your reply. Indeed, I've been advised about repurposing my existing surrounds for Atmos use, but I don't really understand how the whole 3.1.2 thing works. Plus, our two surrounds are currently directly overhead of our listening position - how would these be assigned to Atmos channels, exactly? This room won't accommodate two ear level speakers on stands near the couches, so we can't really do a traditional Atmos layout with five ear level speakers and then two or four overheads (our front left/right mains are big Polk RTi12 towers). With regard to the RZ50 - if I could get it at $800, you think it's not really "wasted" on a simple 5.1 setup? Even if I don't set it up with Dirac? Would something like the RZ30 make more sense in my case?

[@johnsmith-qz4bv]

Great video … would u recommend the rz50 .? I’m also looking at an anthem but not sure .what do u think is better? Plus with onkyo I like that Dirac is free..

[@Upscaled_HT]

At $800, it’s an easy recommendation

[@johnsmith-qz4bv]

I live in Canada and price is around 1500 to 1800 bucks … do u think it would still be worth it at those prices ..?

[@mbelizan]

Does anyone know if it supports multi-channel DSD over HDMI?

[@DGPG35]

It appears you did not load your unique UMIK-1 (90deg) calibration file. You will not get accurate results without loading this file. Nobody should assume they know what they are doing based upon previous calibration software, Dirac requires a good bit of reading. At minimum, the shelf should be adjusted.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I use the calibration file for rew so I’m aware of that. Dirac should prompt the user about this honestly. They are including Dirac with mainstream gear and I don’t find it very user friendly at all. I’ll have to figure out how load the calibration file and re run dirac. Arc genesis is significantly easier to use.

[@SirNic4180]

Im jealous 😁

[@Audiomainia2310]

Never set this system to 4 ohms. It cuts the power in half.

[@Upscaled_HT]

I agree.

[@shawnwacek6791]

I have speakers that are 4ohm 8 ohm compatibility I can switch between 4 to 8 ohm for the speakers have the rz50 receiver set to 4 ohm for the speakers your comment I'm wondering if I should switch it to 8 ohm to maybe get more power?

[@MikeSmith-rh5gc]

I’ve heard every audiophile on KZbin, always keep it on the 8ohm setting.

[@tonyt.5771]

​@shawnwacek6791 never touch that switch,leave it to 8 ohms.

[@sage11x]

No you misunderstood. 4 ohm speakers put this AVR into protect mode and you lose all your wattage.

[@shamnoor07]

Im using MQA THX HIRES DSD amplifier 24bit 🎧 240 ohms

[@donnellm.caldwell2212]

Way too complex. You need a damn PhD to operate these damn receivers. I'll pass.

[@Upscaled_HT]

They really have gotten more complex but have provided some audible sound improvements, but I get it

[@John8910]

Unfortunately Onkyo receivers are SO Unreliable! All my friends and I that have bought them in the past all had HDMI board issues. I would stay away!

[@Upscaled_HT]

I’ve had a few older ones fail but everything post hdmi 2.0 have been solid.

[@Jamie-u1b]

@@Upscaled_HT Yes, i had two Onkyo's that had HDMI failures

[@Quattro5081]

It is almost 1800 USD in my country!, so not exactly a good deal

[@sasoesasoe]

In EU 1250 eur for RZ50 ... for Denon X3800H about 850 eur ... which one? Dirac 5.1.4 vs 7.4.4 ?

[@shaolin95]

The denon by far. Not crippled with a single lfe, more flexibility to use if internal amps, way more stable and of you add Dirac, it has no issues like on the Onkyo

[@THERIGHTWAY8164]

TX= RZ70 has 2 for subs

[@shaolin95]

Goat is the denon 3800h. Nothing can touch it in is price range. The rz50 is a very crippled avr (1 single lfe !!!, dirac issues etc ) and unstable

[@Upscaled_HT]

The denon is a solid receiver but the Onkyo TX-RZ50 is a really solid receiver for the price, which is currently $800.

[@danemoreno88]

Unstable my ass have fun with your space heater Denon have had zero issues ever with my rz50

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

@@shaolin95 To be honest, we replaced an old Onkyo TX-SR605 with a Denon AVR-X2800 and I don't care for the Denon's house sound compared to the Onkyo (with both receivers running no room correction or EQ). I want to return to Onk, but there are too many features omitted that I just can't get behind.

[@MikeMargolis-j8f]

I also can't get over the difference in size between the 3800 and RZ50, which everyone always compares; the 50 just dwarfs the Denon, as most Onkyos do when comparing them to Denons (save for the flagships). The 3800 is basically the same size as the 2800, and I just can't get past that... the RZ AVRs look like giant power amps sitting next to the under-4000 series Denons.

[@LouMontana-wc7nr]

I will be seeing these in my shop in five years.

[@TAYLORganization420]

Why five years

[@LouMontana-wc7nr]

@TAYLORganization420 , the life of audio isn't as good as the older stuff.

[@TAYLORganization420]

@@LouMontana-wc7nr figured. What model do you recommend as reliable? Or after what year to avoid?

[@Upscaled_HT]

They were most reliable gear that I’ve ever used is Mcintosh gear but it’s extremely expensive. For the price that I got my RZ 50 I really can’t complain if it dies after five years, but I’m holding out hope that it will last longer.. my other RZ 830 has about five years on it and it’s going strong.

[@TAYLORganization420]

@@Upscaled_HT thanks!