BEST BUDGET BRAKES EBIKE ! Long Term Review on MT5 eStTOP

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[@ericprouty7436]

good comparison, thanks for being so objective and unbiased in your reviews Sam!

[@SamsBikes]

My pleasure Eric hows the Levo going ? loving it?

[@ericprouty7436]

@@SamsBikes Yes, thanks! The SL is the Best decision I've ever made. WAY more money than I ever thought I'd spend on a bike, but WAY more fun than I imagined! (other than the spongy Code brakes... I like the instant response of XTR)

[@childofeternity]

Relieved! (Just ordered some of these yesterday).

[@El_Guap]

BTW, I love the content and info you put out. Super solid. Thank you.

[@rrocket8204]

Nice content, looking forward to more epic videos Rider 👍

[@SamsBikes]

More to come, every sunday night RIDER

[@modscout12]

Good timing this video sam , thanks

[@SamsBikes]

No problem 👍

[@boggybigpants9462]

Now that was bloody good Sam 👍

[@SamsBikes]

Haha thanks mate 120 videos in 18 months I’m starting to learn some tricks

[@boggybigpants9462]

@@SamsBikes no mention of Hope brakes or did I miss it ?

[@siriosstar4789]

oh man ,those red spokes look soo cool with the black rotors !

[@SamsBikes]

you know it... the wheels might be for sale.. I think I will build some Carbon Indusrty Nine for the races!

[@CoyoteMTB77]

Have MT7’s on my Kenevo and they are epic. I did have a lever failure though and had to send it back but all good now. Bleeding is a pain but I leave to LBS to do 👍

[@SamsBikes]

Good to hear I plan to get MT7 on my race book!

[@jackbauer562]

Mt7s on all my bikes. Bleeding is easy. No need full bleed.

[@SamsBikes]

Sweet good to know... Great brakes I have heard I hope to get them on my race bike

[@Coolcmsc]

Yes, easy. But MUCH more important, once set up with care, they often don’t need bleeding again for several sets of pads.... Sounds unlikely, but often true. And those pads just slot in with the magnets... What’s not to like, especially the cost-effective MT5s 😀

[@BH-cy9tb]

I had the MT 5 on my DH bike. Awesome stopping power. And yes takes a while to bed them in . Also they have great modulation.When I sold the bike I kept the brakes. When I get my new 2021 Trek rail 5 in a week I will put them on that bike.

[@SamsBikes]

right on champ... they are sweet brakes I'm testing the Mt7 next.

[@Dark__Thoughts]

Probably going to get the MT5 too, although I find it stupid that they do not offer the MT5 HC Red outside of the US and expect people to shell out another 50-70 bucks for the one finger lever blades. Still, brakes, adapters, rotors, bleed kit - all significantly cheaper compared to stuff like the RSCs, Dominions or Hopes, saving you literally hundreds of bucks. Really shoved the brakes all the way to the end of building this bike, as that and the pedals are the only thing left to make it rideable. Probably the scariest part for me too (at least the hose cutting / potential bleeding).

[@BH-cy9tb]

@@Dark__Thoughts I wound up putting the MT-5 s on my carbon trail bike. But I plan on getting another pair for my trek rail. Only thing I’m not looking forward to is putting on rear brake cable. I just saw a video on how to do it and motor has to come out to get it on. If is not too much money I might just let a bike shop do it.

[@Dark__Thoughts]

@@BH-cy9tb that's where one learns the beauty of external cable routing.

[@BH-cy9tb]

@@Dark__Thoughts on ebikes companies should make internal routing a little easier. Having to take out motor just to route a cable is nuts.

[@Jolinator]

Congrats on 12k subs Rider! All the hard work is starting to pay off. I own XTs and XTR 2 pistons on my XC bikes and a set of Code RSC's on my trail bike i love the modulation of the Codes( please dont banish me to the wastelands). Would love to try a set of trickstuff brakes but even if you can get over the price they are never in stock!

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks Rider yep been a long 18 months but build it and they will come I was told!

[@evo5349]

Right rant time. I don't have money coming out off my arse so Sram R came on my Specialized Expert Kenovo. So have run these brakes on non ebike and on the bike, and there very good. I always run sintered avid pads, brilliant. I shim my pads after worn down with alloy shims that are the same shape as the pads to keep contact feel top notch, 0.65mm and 1.20mm. Now I done this with the RSC and now with the R on the codes and then fitted 220mm floating Magura front and back and means if I bend one I still can use the same on the front and use a tempory one on the back. The disc is very good and I made stainless spacers to set the code calipers perfectly parallel to the disc. This setup is perfect for trail braking in the forests I ride and great feel. As if the codes are placed as standard that is where the spongy lack of feel even though plenty off power comes from in my experience and I ride a lot. I like to use what is standard on a bike and if it can't be improved replace. I have now been given a new set off pads from Carbon Loraine VXR and I think these French pads are better in the wet in the UK but will wait on the dry in the summer for a full idea. I raced motocross for 20 years so know what I like and brakes is my personal gripe then suspension which mine has full coil and changed internals as the std wasn't up to the speeds this bike is capable off. The next is replacement of the Specialized seat post as it's crap and fit a 2021 Fox transfer but because of this bloody covid crap no stock in the UK. I have heard the Magura pads ain't great and fall apart but other than that seem good.

[@SamsBikes]

Evo it sounds like I need you as my brake specialist on the tour. thats for the Knowledge

[@evo5349]

@@SamsBikes Sam it's just I like justify the spend but the brakes you tested was very interesting . Good info.

[@johns9974]

Sam Just put the new Hope Tech4 V4 brakes on my Levo. I am blown away by them. You really need to test them way better than anything I have ridden and very easy to bleed and maintain. Green pads Galfers I believe.

[@SamsBikes]

I’ll need to grab a set

[@topihintikka9805]

Honestly I'm surprised that people say that the Maguras are hard to put on and bleed, because they were the first set of brakes I ever built and it was actually not complicated at all to me

[@gregjetnikoff7124]

As any motorcycle engineer will tell you , disc brakes should either floating caliper Or floating disc. Huge difference to drag,release, wear and noise, no necessarily more powerful until they heat up. As mtb's are almost all fixed calipers, all rotors should be floating.

[@SamsBikes]

Good information there Greg what brakes do you use

[@gregjetnikoff7124]

@@SamsBikes Both clarks and Hope make floaters. As well as those new Maguras you showed. I use both the former on different bikes. Sally's ebike has one of each ( Clark and a Hope).

[@tadge74]

Good timing this vid as I've just ordered Cube with MT7's. Hopefully strong enough to slow this belly down😄

[@lukasbormann4830]

There are only two brakes out there more powerful than the mt7 so they probably will be 😂

[@SamsBikes]

hahaha let me know how you get on!

[@jackbauer562]

as an average mtb/emtb. i rely on my brakes. i can modulate on steep roller, and im confident in fast exits

[@siriosstar4789]

i weigh 93 kilos and rode a Nox e bike with Mt7s down a very steep hill using one finger and felt no fading . super brakes , they WILL stop you.

[@mrbrettlee1]

would you be able to tell me how your getting on with them I need some good calipers with just little touch of the breaks I do wheelies

[@El_Guap]

Have these on my Revv1 by Ride1Up. Started first with just the rotors which were straight plug and play. Added the calipers and lever assembles later. Solid on a heavy moped style ebike.

[@hatueytavarezolmos4858]

I hace been a Shimano lover all my mtbiking life...until i tried MT5...great peogresive braking

[@SamsBikes]

Totally mate nice mix between shimano and codes

[@chrissinclair3136]

Maguras hands down. I have had all the shimanos and currently the XTR 4 pots on Merida E160 10k. They have to go. MT7s coming. I have the MT7 on my enduro and DH bikes and they are the best brakes I have run ever. Only slight issue is its almost impossible to lose the minute amount of rub. The plusses.... massive power exceptional modulation and m ost importantly the bite point NEVER wanders unlike saints XT and XTRS (and yes mine have been bled and setup by top shimano team wrenchers and even they say you cant get rid of that with servo wave tech)

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Chris thanks for the wise words! I’m pumped Magura are sending me Danny Harts new set up for the Meta 🏁 can’t wait

[@Coolcmsc]

I’m sold on the MT5’s. The ‘room of breaking’ is the key. ‘It scared the shit out of me’ is exactly right, but concerning the saints!. If you really use these brakes correctly - hard and late is correct - then you have to be genuinely skilled to push the saints to the maximum without going over the handle bars. If you aren’t discovering that about the saints, then you are definitely not using them to their full potential. So, for most of us, the MT5 (pots really are virtually the same in use as MT7 ONCE they’re bedded in correctly - perhaps Bruni can tell the difference, but those in this thread are less likely to be able to (to repeat, once bedded in). And as you said, they MUSt be bedded in correctly to get that progression and the aggression in the MT5/MT7.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks for your thoughts... I'm very happy with the Mt5!

[@declanbrady1383]

How’s the SX going? Was seriously considering the mullet option but I think I’ll change the front tyre to a 2.6 first. I’d be interested in seeing if you find the front end of the SX heavy? I’m struggling to manual mine and nearly pull my back out each time 😜

[@SamsBikes]

Hey champ... all ebikes are hard to manual. I have already changed to 2.6 at the front and its better 100%. I'm trying to get a 29 170 for to mullet the bike to test.

[@Llmtbvino75]

Your review is making pull the trigger or should I say the lever. Wawawa thanks for doing these reviews.

[@SamsBikes]

haha cool you will love them

[@roberthuxoll8500]

BrakeForceOne H²O or Magura MT5 - which one gives the better break control and performance?

[@fishingtwister]

Which brake pads are recommended for the mt5 estop? Will reg mt5 pads fit also? Thanks!

[@antoniolatorre6047]

Sam I noticed you put your gps leaning forward your handlebar. The mounts for gps could also be place backwards. This way you will protect your gps if crashing by putting it behind the stem. Personal experience! 😂 ...

[@SamsBikes]

Haha shit that’s a epic idea never thought of that thanks 😊 rider!

[@nigelfoulds284]

Excellent in depth review mate... Just waiting for DHL to start shipping again, so I can give my Propain Ekano(MT5) a blast!!!!! Keep it up, ride long ride hard....

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks mate ! Love to hear how you get get on with the ekano and the brakes

[@leeburrell9084]

Hey Sam, do you think the MT 5 would be sufficient for the heavier full fat Turbo Levo or would you go MT 7’s

[@SamsBikes]

Lee both are going to do an amazing job.

[@Coolcmsc]

Lee, the pots are essentially identical. The difference is at the other end: the handles and handle bodies are made from Magura’s special composite. I’ve smacked mine and they are robust and I read similar on other forums.

[@surronzak8154]

I had MT5 e stop on my sur ron, works very well, now I switched to shigura, even better Xp

[@suppermanzzzz291]

Hi Sam, how did you connect the MT5e wire cable to the motor?

[@mrbrettlee1]

Hi I've just watched this good video about mtb break calipers I have a question for you I cought Meningitis at 8 weeks of age and I do Mtb wheelies I have duel lever Hope X2 and when my pads get half way on the back I feel they don't stop me I feel I need more stopping power when constantly tapping the rear break all the time could I fit muguru calipers with my duel hope leavers would that work. 😀

[@allenjac985]

Between mt5 and deor xt 2 piston which one good performance and have a long term high quality in descending for xc and cross country bike? Which one i have buy?

[@12Burton24]

I heared that the braking on the Mat brakes could be sharper if you totaly bleed them...i saw a guide and the guy said normal bleeding from top or also from the bottom will not work as good as an other technique.

[@jeremiahpowell3028]

How do these hook up to the ebrake cut off cables from the brake levers?

[@tbar5270]

Hello Sam. I am buying a Biktrix Juggernaut FS e-Fat bike and have opted for this set up. My question is: with a 70 pound e-bike, do I want a set of 203's or 220's? Also, Do you know if anyone sells this set up as a kit? Thanks.

[@carolinaphilp9690]

I run code and all good just installing a 220mm rotor on the front also i find the shimano on my acoustic hard to modulate for wheelies.

[@SamsBikes]

Yep each to there own... I love Shimano and now Magura

[@stuartdummkoph128]

Put Shimano XT levers on. Crisper lever throw and even more power. They become the best brakes you’ll ever ride

[@SamsBikes]

Interesting.... I might need to try this

i gonna order this brake for rear, for my e-bike with the storm hc 203 i already got.

[@rtyle79]

Hi Sam, nice inputs. Can I still use a Magura MT7 on my e-bike? Or does Magura really recommend the MT5e for an eMTB?

[@SamsBikes]

Yes mate you can use the MT7 on ebikes or nomral bikes

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

@@SamsBikes What about the fact the MT7 has no sensor. Is there an MT7e?

[@surronzak8154]

@@vripiatbuzoi9188 Isn't the MT5 estop lever compatible with MT7 ?

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

@@surronzak8154 I think it is.

[@christopherenault1486]

Dude, put some magura 8 r pads on them, then you ll feel the power 👍

[@FreeHueman]

What’s the difference between mt5e and mt5 e-stop? I’ve looked everywhere but can’t find a concrete answer

[@dannyslea]

I got the MT-5's this year. Took a while to get used to coming from SRAM. I do not like the lever and I don't want to pay the price for the replacement blades (like 60 for one blade).

[@lildeanc]

Can the mt7 be used on nami burn 2 max? Set up as electric brakes the same as the mt5e?

[@e-bike-bys-vykken7422]

simply get pads under tap get em wet rub pads together for a short time to rub top layer off let em dry install them then it will shorten bed in time alot

[@AlexT.A.]

Yo llevo los MT trail con discos mdr-p.220/203.👌

[@SamsBikes]

good call

[@silviosirianni9260]

Hi Sam, Cheers from Melbourne. We just purchased a Sur Ron E bike. Do you have a link to a set of these brakes?

[@SamsBikes]

I don’t mate but for the Sur Ron I think I would go mt7

[@philhicks5818]

Hi Sam , I’ve got the shimano xt’s on my new bike , which is a first time for me , I always seem to end up up with sram, but I get a kind of pulsing feeling through the lever , have you come across this anything like this with the xt brakes before , cheers Phil

[@SamsBikes]

Phil 100% get that checked. Shimano are normally amazing you can shit right on the power and use it when you need.

[@philhicks5818]

@@SamsBikes cheers Sam , i will get it checked,

oh ooops :S :( i bought the stormhc rotor first, then i bought a read mt5 e-stop brake, on site was saying it's oke with storm hc, but its not ! its rubbing because its 2 mm and not 1.8 mm :S i can not send it back anymore. now i need a new rotor, what rotor do you use now ?

[@ninjazzrhythm400]

How can you say, the lever is the most comfortable lever yet your hand tire out more? Does is not contradict one another?

[@mattx4253]

Do the front rattle like my mt7? Those rotors make the pads rattle under breaking. They also do take a long time to break in before they get insane

[@SamsBikes]

Matt check your rotors if they have a small back and front movement you need to get them changed over. The brakes should not make any Rattle sound

[@mattx4253]

@@SamsBikes it sounds more like the giant holes in the rotars rubbing on the pads. Tha back doesnt do it. The bike is going back to spesh soon anyway when they swap my bike over I'll get them to reinstall on new bike and check them then they work great though

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Does the disc matter much with brakes? Bought some shimano hydraulics and it doesn't feel as grippy as I was expecting. The original rotor is still on the bike, should I change them?

[@SamsBikes]

They all with work ok! For the best result get the same rotors as the brand

[@yohvh]

I've got this ebike with brake sensors. How does this magura mt5e connect to it?

[@SamsBikes]

You need to get the magura ebike Magnet 🧲 for the rotor

[@theflyingfletchers7119]

I have a trek rail 7 Other than the Bontrager tires that come with the bike which the bike has Bontrager rims I haven’t had nothing but problems with Setting up different tires tubeless. One tire a Goodyear just blew off the rim while I was sitting in the back of my truck at 22 psi. I tried to set up a Schwabie eddy current on the rear and I could never get it to seat. Are these Bontrager rims just crap? What would you recommend? Thank you.

[@jamesdunster4508]

I also have a trek rail 7. I've swapped the front tyre for a magic mary and will be swapping the back very shortly. You might have realised this already but the rims come with this plastic rim 'tape' which is rubbish and makes it near impossible to seat tyres. Because it is black I initially didn't realise but when I did and replaced it with normal stans rim tape the tyre seated no problem and has been on for 3 or 4 weeks now

[@SamsBikes]

John I dont have any Experience with those rims but I would think Trek would do a pretty good job. Have you taken it to the shop you bought the bike from? ask them

[@rodrigosalas1356]

Hello SAm, Rodrigo from Chile, I wanted to ask you, I have a Turbo levo comp 2021 with schimano SLX brakes (4 pistons from the factory), which I feel are not enough for the weight of the bike. I want to change them for the Magura Mt5e. I do DH in bikeparks with descents of like 5-7 minutes and, the truth is, after 3 minutes they begin to ring and their braking capacity decreases. Currently I use Galfer ebikes racks and Rotors (they last about 3-4 months of use)

[@SamsBikes]

Ok how what’s your weight ? I’m going to say maybe have your shimano brakes checked because shimano rock and SLX are way strong enough. I’m riding the MT7 on all my bikes now but if I’m honest shimano are Just as good or even better

[@rodrigosalas1356]

​@@SamsBikes Thanks Sam for your answer, my weight is 75kg, I also think that the SLX brakes should be enough, and maybe it is a rotor issue (I use 203MM), maybe I should try 220mm, I'll keep looking and thanks for your advice, the idea either is spending $ just to spend.

[@cflueraru]

Hello. Are the pads with which the magura mt5 e stop brakes come with organic? Thanks

[@lakaldrak]

Magura Pads are all organic 👍

[@stephenfranks1193]

hi sam i have got a haibike flyon xduro-nduro 5.0 with the magura mt5 brakes i am getting a crazy amout of vibration at the bottom of the forks under heavy braking the forks are rockshox yari 180mm travel any ideas on a cure mate thanks

[@MAGURAPassionPeople]

Please take a look at this advices www.magura.com/en/maximize-your-brake/ and feel free to send us a private message on Facebook, Instagram or E-Mail if you need more help. Thanks mate

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Stephen, has this all ways been like this from new? of just started? I say check all the Torque on bolts first and the brake pads, did you bed in the pads the way I said on the video? also if you have the 2 piece rotors pull the brake on and see if there is a small amount of movement front and back like 2-3mm if there is you will be a speak to the bike shop and replace the rotor the Magura 2 Piece is not meant to have any play!

[@stephenfranks1193]

@@SamsBikes hi sam the bike as been like this from day 1 i was told to bed the brakes in which i did then it went in for its 4 week check i told the fitter there was no change when i went back he said ive sorted it it was air in the brake eerrrrm sorry still no cure now the bike shop is talking to raleigh uk i think i will be asking for a full refund very soon

[@tadge74]

Can I ask is it necessary to bed in as you say? Will they not bed in naturally on the trail? Cheers

[@SamsBikes]

Na you really need to because you need a even wear on the brake pads.

[@tadge74]

@@SamsBikes cheers

[@Subtrendence]

Sam, I need this Shirt in Black and 3XL! Can u make this possible? Please!!!! BTW, I got these discs on my Decoy with the Sram Code. Imo it is an good upgrade vor the RSC, with Trickstuff Power brake pads.

[@SamsBikes]

nice one bro... the Race top or the T shirt ? email me and ill make it happen. [e-mail]

[@Subtrendence]

@@SamsBikes The Shirt with the nice Decoy on it.

Mdr-p is also 2 mm WYYY max magura mt5 e-stop must be 1,8 thickness. what rotor is 1.8 mm ??? on ther site it sayd i could use mt5 e-stop with storm hc, but now i can not, very nice ! stupid stuff. :( i need a 203, 1.8mm thick, were can i get 1 ?

[@hansottevanger4112]

Can you run the E MT 5 callipers and Lever with the Shimano XT Ice discs or am I better off paying the extra $150 and get the Shimano XT ice 4 pot callipers and levers?

[@patrickdirtrider5836]

You can´t combine Magura callipers with Shimano discs, since the magura discs at 2mm thick and have a wear limit of 1,8mm. The Shimanos start at 1,8mm. So new Shimano discs are already at the wearlimit for Magura callipers. But imo there is no need for the ice-tec discs, in our shop we had more problems than wirh them. the mdrp keep everything cool enough

[@SamsBikes]

Hans, I'm pretty sure you can set up and brakes with and rotor but they say its best to have the same rotors and brakes

[@user-ff4xi4kc8m]

Добрый день, подскажите mt5 estop лучше тормозят чем mt5, чем отличаються кроме электроники ? mt5 estop лучше тормозят чем mt5 просто ? или подскажите мне нужно на Sur-Ron 50Кг байк. спасибо

[@judemonica7951]

Easily add power with 8.P or 8.R pads but excellent review and thanks!

[@SamsBikes]

good call I will defo add the race pads next!

[@mrgoats]

I don't care what anyone says. Bedding in your brakes is not important if you are not reliably on them immediately.

[@rybern]

is there an interrupt switch for the levers?

[@SamsBikes]

Not sure sorry don’t really understand the question

[@rybern]

@@SamsBikes for ebikes the brakes have a wire to interior the throttle when the brakes engage.

[@sebumgold3108]

Budget Brakes? Im new to ebikes, but I thought budget brakes were the stock brakes that came with the ebike. I might be in trouble lol.

[@willrooney5603]

can I use these on a pedal bike? What’s the main difference between these and the standard MT5? These look a lot cooler with the silver calliper and I can’t find the standard MT5 in stock anywhere

[@rhawks74]

Is there any difference between the mt5 and the mt5 e?

[@red.rocket]

Just the pads.

[@SamsBikes]

Just the pads and they look a little different in the style but very much the same brakes

[@SamsBikes]

correct thanks for answering that

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

Are the Bruni signature levers metal or composit?

[@SamsBikes]

3-D titanium printed

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

@@SamsBikes I don't know what that is. I guess a better question is, "do they feel like metal?" I want no composite flex. I like my levers stiff and responsive.

[@SinisterAngel1]

These don't have the motor cut off cable.

[@Guille8888]

Hello! if you use it in your "ebike", dont you need brake sensors attached to your levers, in order to activate ebrake from the electric motor, or something related?

[@SamsBikes]

No not at all.

[@alphonsotate2982]

Get the biggest ROTOR AND MATCHING SPACER you can fit on your bike YOU WILL BE HAPPY

[@lakaldrak]

I prefer the normal mt5 over estop for my E-Bike cause the Brake Pads are worse for me

[@antonypartali]

Hi my friend! I want to buy mt5 or mt5 e-stop brakes and i can't understand what difference they have..? Can you tell me..? Thanks 🙏

[@lakaldrak]

@@antonypartali looks and pads.

[@antonypartali]

@@lakaldrak worth it to buy Mt5 e-stop instead Mt 5..?🤔 Yes or no..?

[@Yoda-em5mt]

Gotta say thats not how to bed in your brakes first go out in the back yard and do say 20 noise wheelies down the hill then go wheelie up and down the road from say 25 kph down to stopped say ten times job done brakes ready and way more fun .

[@andysims3696]

I changed the lever to shimano on my mt5s so much better

[@SamsBikes]

not the first time I have heard this... might give it ago!

[@aspunkyyacker6850]

1 year on and Xt brakes sets are getting up to around £300- £350 mark now 👎

[@giedrius2149]

... budget?

[@SamsBikes]

Yes best budget ebike brakes

[@giedrius2149]

@@SamsBikes are they really budget though? Is there any more high end brake that has e brake functionality?