It's interesting that the Giant would get the shortest amount of range I get pretty good range with my 2022. I'm not doubting where it sit's compared to others it just tells me I could expect to go even farther with other motor systems unless the drivetrain including the tires and wheels were a major factor in that out come because they were setup so differently?
@schlinkodonkofink47 минут бұрын
10:44 where’s TQ HPR50?
@kevinhollenbeck7503Сағат бұрын
That QuadLock is great, but I would highly recommend their vibration dampener to go with it. I didn't and the vibration wrecked my camera on my Samsung Galaxy S21 phone.
@JamesGoddard-i7sСағат бұрын
Brose wins! Thats a slow 37km from the avinox though (im assuming it was moving time not total ride time?)
@Gadgetdad007Сағат бұрын
It’s data not darter 😂
@TopToBottomMTBСағат бұрын
Can’t wait until these come to CANADA!!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
@2011buddyleeСағат бұрын
On my Turbo Levo with 700 Watt Battery I ride in full power mode all the time. Long trails with small rolling hills can usually go about 25 miles before battery is done also big steep uphill climbs will drain your battery way quicker than smaller rolling hills.
@jx50122 сағат бұрын
This doesn’t seem that impressive to me. My brother and I recently did a bike trip to the Sierras in California. One of the trails is a 34 mile ride with a 4300’ climb folowed by a 4300’ descent and a 6-7 mile flat road ride back to the shop where we rented the bikes. We rented Santa Cruz Hecklers with the Shimano Ep 801 motor and 750 watt batteries. We did the entire ride in a mix of Turbo and Boost and still had a full bar left at the end. I am 200lbs in full gear and ride fairly aggressively. This was 4300’ of proper steep big mountain climbing. Our time on the bike was nearly 4 hours. I would consider a 2 1/2 hr ride to be fairly short. Am I missing something?
@jx50122 сағат бұрын
Ok. Forgive the ignorance of a Yank when it comes to meters vs feet. I did the calculations and 1721 meters is 5646 feet. That is impressive considering the overall weight of the bike. Weight is very important to me. The lightweight bikes are far superior ro me. My dream bike would be this motor/battery combo in a Kenevo SL. I haven’t found any Ebike that handles as well as my Kenevo Sl, but range anxiety is definitely a problem.
@Sympatikus12 сағат бұрын
Wonder, how Bosch Gen 5 will compare. Could displace one of the first 3
@billysbikingchannel56982 сағат бұрын
is the battery removable ? Nice trails
@TCK712 сағат бұрын
Such an awesome bike, I’d definitely consider it as my next EMTB.
@trailsidesam35922 сағат бұрын
does the coil shock make the bike feel more confidence inspiring and capable? And have you tried a 170mm fork? would love to hear back
@benperd2 сағат бұрын
Nice vid and upgrades! How much does that guy weigh now?
@bernardvreulink24572 сағат бұрын
Your video is RUBBISH due to the bikes you are describing are not stationary!!!! Redo the video and this time show the bike where it s NOT MOVING!!!!!!
@vlsmitt2 сағат бұрын
Pha, on 800Wh I would do 200km with ascending 2000 m. I have 400Wh battery on my Cube AMS Hybrid and without any problems I do 100km with ascending 1200m.
@andrewbaines15363 сағат бұрын
Great battery review!
@SamsBikes3 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate
@billderas34203 сағат бұрын
Great job Sam. Tell us more about the Specialized Levo...
@SamsBikes3 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate! I love my Levo and my Amflow but very different bikes
@jbonexc17253 сағат бұрын
Great vid Sam! I've heard it's so powerful that Eco mode can be compared to some other motors in Boost. This would mean giving ample assistance just in Eco. Is this true? If so, how much further is the range if you rode it in Eco until the battery is dead? How many nm of torque is there in Eco?
@SamsBikes3 сағат бұрын
The more definitely had more power than anything I’ve tested. Eco is equal to turbo is a stretch but is a very good motor
@mn34693 сағат бұрын
With these kind of tests i'm pretty sure you'll be soon a YT legend :-) Thank you for this.
@SamsBikes3 сағат бұрын
Wow, thank you!🙏
@RobHill004 сағат бұрын
Would you says there’s any benefit to fitting a 38 fork instead of the 36? Obviously it will be heavier so that’s a con! Cheers
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
100% flex 💪 when hit harder trails
@marianosanchez39704 сағат бұрын
Parece que gana el BROSE a pesar de su edad...🤣😅🤣😅
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Yep it’s seems so
@hassebir4 сағат бұрын
If major brands will use the Avinox it will really rock the boat :O
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
This will be happening sooner then we expect I feel
@d28k83Сағат бұрын
Hopefully they drop prices
@ToddA29894 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the review. You do a good job on your videos, and work hard at it i see... but did you say you're gonna do a "long term" review in "2 weeks" ??? I can't see the point in that...
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate! Well I’ll be doing a 1000km review on the motor and system and possibly a 5000km next year
@FerdiBikes-r8v4 сағат бұрын
🔥🙌🏻
@JorenMathews4 сағат бұрын
This is great work Sam. You seem to have done all you can to make what is a difficult apples to apples comparison accurate enough to be useful.
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate!
@chrisdiggs22374 сағат бұрын
Looks like I’ll be keeping my Turbo Levo!!
@JorenMathews4 сағат бұрын
Keep in mind this is normalized to same battery size. The DJI has a larger battery, so will likely go further than a Levo.
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Yep the Levo is still a great option
@Stockfish15114 сағат бұрын
I think people sleep on bosch. I have gen 4 Trek rail with gen 4 bosch motor at 750W. I have done 55 km rides in only turbo mode and im 6.8 ft and 100 kilo. Bosch is beast when it comes to power and let me tell you that after doing 58km in turbo mode i still had about 10 percent left.
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
They are good numbers
@sillywillie64844 сағат бұрын
I mean it's sweet but ill probably never even see one !
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
I feel you will
@in2bmx4 сағат бұрын
I so need this bike 😊
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
It’s pretty special
@tomcagle53244 сағат бұрын
Great stats and comparisons. Well done! Keep'n it 💯! It's we why we luv ya dude!
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Oh brother thanks so much for the kind words, it makes all the difference
@dado3044 сағат бұрын
So now everybody will be talking and complaining about range... It is just normal. All depends on average speed, weight, vertical ascent and very important is also how much energy you add by legs. I have range 28km when riding full throttle and battery 840Wh. (I am lazy now and not giving much energy by legs) People realizing more Watts is more fun? ;)) Check M560 motor, 1250W conti! DJI motor would not see me in 200m. :)
@kevinmortimer18834 сағат бұрын
great comparison Sam. i am impressed enough to now seriously consider the avinox as my next emtb motor system 🎉
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate
@planeranger41475 сағат бұрын
Nice one Sam 👍😎
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Thanks 👍
@jjCrypto3695 сағат бұрын
We’ll done!👍
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Thabks
@PabloOlea595 сағат бұрын
Sam do you think the bike is more thirsty in auto mode than in turbo? The results are quite impressive 👏👏
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Good point Pablo, I feel in auto the range would be 10-20% better but would need to test
@kayakutah5 сағат бұрын
11:50 very helpful!
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
I’m glad
@yamserati5 сағат бұрын
Isn't the SRAM powertrain identical to the engine from Specialized Turbo? Thanks for the video, I'm looking forward to my amflow. However, I didn't like the rattling when going downhill ;)
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
Yes, it is but different battery and software
@Rideoak5 сағат бұрын
Thank you, Sam!
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
No worries legend
@Rideoak2 сағат бұрын
@ 👌
@MrDinnerDumper6 сағат бұрын
Where does the Bosch Gen 5 fit in Sam?
@SamsBikes5 сағат бұрын
Next week rider
@Scotchsteve6 сағат бұрын
Rocky mountain altitude powerplay far better bike and shreds far better downhill also distance far greater tried a tested over time too
@Speci12996 сағат бұрын
Even safe to shred and not damage carbon?
@SamsBikes5 сағат бұрын
I feel it’s safe for me and my style of riding
@tonygregg69576 сағат бұрын
Great video as always and surprising that if it's giving it's peak of 850 (which is what turbo is supposed to do) it doesn't burn through that 800Wh quicker. I guess it becomes rider based at some point. I still worry that the governemnt is going to clamp down on these at some point especially if companies keep pushing the limits like this and bragging about it. 850Wh in 2.75 hrs is 290W avg which is obviously more than the 250W continuous allowed for a pedelec in the uk and that includes the time spent descending.
@SamsBikes5 сағат бұрын
Thanks Tony, ive actually never thought about that definitely this should be the limit.
@tonygregg69575 сағат бұрын
@@SamsBikes Not sure about Spain but in the UK ebikes are getting quite a bit of bad press because gangs are using E motor bikes to commit crimes, I've seen quite a few comments that they should be banned. Unfortunately, most people don't understand the difference between ebikes and something like a Surron.
@curtrichardson80023 сағат бұрын
@tonygregg6957 I don't think the extra power will be a problem here in California, UK is restrictive with speed. 15 mph is a joke.
@tonygregg69573 сағат бұрын
@@curtrichardson8002 sure is, it actually makes it too slow to keep up with normal bikes in traffic. On the other hand there are several people that ride around our town not pedalling doing 30
@curtrichardson80023 сағат бұрын
@tonygregg6957 we have those too, not on single track though.
@andresamson88596 сағат бұрын
i'm surprised of the difference between the SRAM and Levo, since it's the same motor.... bike efficiency with the suspension design might play a bigger role than we think... The Amflow has a very similar suspension design to the Levo, and they are both in top 3. Sam, do you have the total climbing duration on your stats ? Assuming you barely use any battery going down, if you divide the Wh battery capacity by the time climbing, you could get the REAL WORLD power average of each motor. Assuming that in turbo (about 3.5x to 4x your input), you probably extract 100% of the power available by the motor, cuz your leg input only have to be about 175w to max out the motor, and that your gradient is fairly steady on that fire road. I did those math on my EP8, my climb takes 9min for 185meter of vertical, and it takes 10-11% of my 900wh battery, that gives me around 600w of average power output. I've got to admit that i'm a 6'3 195lbs guy, and my average heart rate is around 170-180bpm when climbing, so i definitely push enough on the pedal to get maximum assist.
@SamsBikes5 сағат бұрын
Yep I was surprised too at the difference in the SRAM and Levo. It must be battery quality or software or both. Honestly the SRAM system was very average in almost every aspect. Maybe check out the extreme range test it gives more details. Also don’t read too much into the times of the rides. This was in summer and at my local trails so I know a lot of people I stop and talk to
@andresamson88595 сағат бұрын
@@SamsBikes don't worry, I listen to every video you put out. On paper, electric motor are very efficient, and the diffence between them should not be that much. But rated efficiency is at a specific rpm and power input, and is normally not at max power. The fact that the DJI is able to deliver 1000w is a testament that both motor AND battery are able to deliver that power, but it is probably not super efficient while doing so. The engineer have to choose the sweet spot, where they think the motor is most likely to be use, and design it around that, while keeping the size/weight low. The same thing apply to battery design. Not every battery can deliver the same punch with the same efficiency, that's why some heat up more than other. Take for example the DJI drone battery, they can empty their capacity in less than 20 minutes... that is no small feat... My guess is that DJI are a lot more competent than the other manufacturer to design a complete system that optimize all aspect (power, size/weight, efficiency), because they had no choice to do it while making drone, and they improve that on many iteration.
@rcferlic69926 сағат бұрын
Does bike have ANT+/connect to Garmin?
@jimsmithmtb5 сағат бұрын
Yes it does
@markuss.14606 сағат бұрын
Did the test also today with my Levo and the AMFlow and the Levo is a bit more effecient but the DJI motor is so much powerfull and the Bike so playfull.
@SamsBikes2 сағат бұрын
I ride with my mate German on his Levo and we end about the same battery percentage always it’s very similar
@rawmancemtb6 сағат бұрын
With Powerplay the power is relational to input to so pedaling harder will produce much less range. On a gen4 750Wh my range usually was 60km on turbo where as on Powerplay 720Wh it's 50km. That is on a normal ride on a hard ride I would expect the range to be slightly less. Where as Bosch tends to give you full power for a wide range. Bosch will still go fast putting 100 watts on pedals but Powerplay doesn't. I have 4500km on gen4 and 2500km on Powerplay.
@curtrichardson80026 сағат бұрын
Elevation gain was impressive, amflow looks solid. When battery is fully discharged a DJI drone will pop out and tow you home.
@FerdiBikes-r8v4 сағат бұрын
working on it 😂
@sebastienlarose87526 сағат бұрын
I think whit a 200 pound rider the results would be the same .😊
@SamsBikes6 сағат бұрын
Not sure 🤔
@sebastienlarose87525 сағат бұрын
@@SamsBikes i write rong i met wouldint be the same .sorry im use to speak french
@steverichardson48086 сағат бұрын
the amflow/avinox is an impressive bike package. which do you prefer riding downhill, the amflow or your turbo levo sl