Best Evidence Against Christianity & Bible Contradictions | Victor-FL | The Atheist Experience 948

[@thegoofystoic]

This kid was literally 10 years ahead of me, really proud of him. He clearly understands the Bible, and critical thinking. When I was his age, I read the Bible daily but made excuses for my questions. Good on him.

[@Memento__Mori]

I used to find an answer to majority of thr questions that would pop in my head and tried to rationalize my way out but eventually certain questions had no answer and it was a 'just have faith' type of a thing which got me fed up with the bible and that was the beginning of the end of my religion. Glad I figured it out at 18

[@richrichy3015]

@@Memento__Mori That was around the time that I also started to doubt some aspects of what I believed. The heaven and hell concept coexisting with an all loving god was the first thing I doubted and being honest with myself was really important.

[@orsonzedd]

Wonder how he's doing

[@Miodrag.Vukomanovic]

@@richrichy3015 wouldn't surprise me if we are reborn on a new planet, as a new life form of some kind..and we just bounce around the universe being constantly reborn on new planets.

[@richrichy3015]

@@Miodrag.Vukomanovic Or it could be something beyond our comprehension. Something I can't describe because it is beyond my primitive human mind. The least likely scenario would be the one that mankind thinks it has all figured out. As for religion, how many times does mankind need to learn its lesson with religion. Something tells me we have to get through many more made up gods and made up religions before we get past that kind of silly superstition.

[@stevesheppardmusic]

I was brought up in a Catholic family, when I was 15 I refused to go to confessions and go to church, to punish me, my parents refused to speak to me for 3 months, all of my life, all I have ever seen from Relegion is abuse.

[@sacredbeastzenon]

Wow, that sucks. My family is very flawed is many ways, but they've never treated like that because I'm an atheist. They'll argue and discuss religion with me. Man, some families are crazy.

[@paulhayward4383]

That was your family who gave the abuse

[@stellis69]

God loves me. That's why he gave my dad pancreatic cancer that ate him down to nothing in a three month time period. It's good to feel that kind of love.

[@18dot7]

Ouw man, that is a tough cookie. I feel utterly sorry for you and would like to hug you tightly, just to show my empathy. My mom passed away this June 1st, so I can relate to your loss. :(

[@guapify2320]

Pretty sure that wasn't God that gave him that.

[@ajclements4627]

@@guapify2320 IF God created us, He’s also responsible for cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Ebola, malaria….

[@guapify2320]

@@ajclements4627 According to the Bible, bad happens because Adam & Eve ate the fruit off of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which broke God's command, therefore bringing sin into the world.

[@guapify2320]

@@ajclements4627 So we should not blame God when something bad happens, atleast blame the devil. He is the one who tempts people to sin and decieves them into thinking it is the right path. Or how about humans take responsibility when humans decide to do bad things. God let's us do what we want, we are not forced to love God.

[@TallSilentGuy]

"I do love my creations; just not to the extent that I could be bothered giving them an explicit demonstration which is impossible to misconstrue." - God.

[@themoon7903]

@@walnutoil100 I have never gotten evidence from God

[@wwlib5390]

Jesus said there is a blessing for those who believe without seeing...faith is all it takes. And faith comes by hearing God's Word and implementing the teachings and character of Jesus into your daily life. If billions of people know God exists by faith, there's no reason why an atheist can't turn around from the path of not knowing to the one of being certain. Jesus was flesh 2,000 years ago. Now He is Spirit. Don't 'miss the boat'. Seek Him while He may be found. John 3 16 invites you to know Him, His love and His promise to you.

[@vertigo4236]

@@wwlib5390 Sorry, but jesus is to Evil for me, "love me, or I put you into Hell for eternal suffering" Your god created all Evil, no thanks!

[@wwlib5390]

@@vertigo4236 sorry you feel that way. I wish you well.

[@TallSilentGuy]

Interesting - it looks like Old Hopeless Enterprises has replied but deleted his post within the space of an hour. I guess the sheepdogs must have mauled the wolf pretty badly.

[@kayomholt-montague7661]

Agnostic/atheist here. I was born into a family of Lutherans. I always had doubts because some things just did not make sense to me. It took me until I turned 33 to finally accept the fact that I was not a believer. And oh, that was such a perfect day. Finally being able to express who I was and what I believed was absolutely a liberating experience for me. I am 65 now and very comfortable in my own skin. I so enjoy your channel - the Atheist Experience. I always feel safe and accepted when I am among other people who have similar beliefs. Thank you for being here. I live in Montana and the majority of people believe in one religion or the other. I definitely do NOT have a religion.

[@bengsynthmusic]

May I ask why you wrote agnostic slash atheist?

[@chronicler2313]

Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

[@charlesatty]

@@chronicler2313 drowning babies will teach adults not to sin. Hope you abandoned your family , and if you are a believer please come to our childrens hospital to cure all the children.

[@SarahSchlongfeel]

​@@chronicler2313cool, that means absolutely nothing to an atheist unless you can demonstrate that we should care what the bible has to say.

[@timothykeith1367]

Everyone has a religion. You might be worshiping yourself.

[@skullduggerysmiles8393]

One of the most sensible, level headed conversations I've listened to on your channel. Kudos to the caller, not because we share the same opinion but because he has the ability to think critically for himself and has reasoned his own path.

[@TrettinR]

@@walnutoil100 did you ever present evidence your diet pill isn’t a scam?

[@skullduggerysmiles8393]

@UC7MLd-EafEpaOSe2PxmolZw the onus is on you to prove your claim and you can't. Offer one shred of evidence and I'll gladly worship your god. I hope your god is Thor as I like him, very cool, gorgeous hair, but a bit of an odd English accent, although I can live with that.

[@walnutoil100]

@@skullduggerysmiles8393 - what claim? I asked a question - which you avoided. Shifting the burden - prove I have a god.

[@FakingANerve]

@@walnutoil100 I'm genuinely curious... it looks like you deleted a post that was responded to above. What did it say?

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

@@FakingANerve He (or she?) does it all the time. They have no proof so they spew out nonsense, and possibly become embarrassed when someone pokes holes in it.

[@77gravity]

I was a professional skydiver for 30 years. Used my reserve parachute many times in my 13,000 jumps. And not once, EVER, have I appealed to God to save me. Instead, I have relied on my skills, training, and experience. Now I'm a volunteer firefighter, fighting fires and attending the car accidents that God apparently causes.

[@mattg6390]

You live a dangerous life, but I appreciate your service as a firefighter. Try to be as safe as possible out there

[@at6686]

Plus, you’re now fighting gods will. He wants those houses to burn or he wouldn’t have allowed them to ignite. Man are you in trouble.

[@mistersippi2945]

@@at6686 The response to that is that god had to have the house burn so that this guy would attend them. Meaning that still, gods responsible for those awful things. If someone really wanted to see a firefighter so they burned a house down. Then when told how insane that sounds says “hey you don’t understand that was just part of my grand plan”!

[@grahvis]

When I had a bout of unstable angina and knew it was serious, the thing that concerned me the most was that it was May and I didn't want to miss a summer's fishing by dying. The thoughts of an after life etc, didn't cross my mind, being never part of my life.

[@MovieMakingMan]

Too bad god can’t be prosecuted for being a pyromaniac. He starts fires and it takes a brave human to put them out. Oh well, at least god didn’t burn down entire cities like he burned Sodom & Gomorrah and murdered all the people.

[@mildredmartinez8843]

One of Matt's best attributes as far as atheism is concerned is that he can explain the whys people remain believers and how atheist family members could deal with them so as to not cause turmoil, or to make them dig their heels in their beliefs. This comes out more frequently when recent deconverts call. Wish he would talk more on this topic. I learn a lot.

[@thehistory5401]

"He's got a special place full fire and smoke, and torture and anguish, but he loves you" -George Carlin

[@paulgemme6056]

If Carlin could speak right now, he would most likely be telling this story and I would bet that there would be no humor at all in it. There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

[@thehistory5401]

@@paulgemme6056 Carlin would rather face the firing squad, rather than say that nonsense.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@thehistory5401 If he cared about the souls of others he would be asking to come back so he could warn them just like the man in the story.

[@tangocash28]

"He loves you and needs money"

[@jenniferduffin2091]

It’s not for you, it’s for Satan. It’s up to you whether or not you go with Satan or you go to the place that God has for you, with him. It’s a choice

[@thomaseliason8376]

If God is an omniscient, unimpeachable source... then I would expect his logic/reasoning to be crystal clear and without such easily-identifiable contradictions.

[@paulgemme6056]

One of the problems with that thinking is you're not taking into account the most powerful enemy of God and man is blinding/deceiving the minds of unbelievers. Because they do not know God/Jesus, they blame him instead of blaming the one who is the cause of all suffering. Your right it is god's plan for that house to burn but not the one true living God. The purpose of the god of this world (satan/the devil) is to seek and destroy. He did it with Adam and Eve and has been doing it every day since then. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[@Jay_Kayy]

People have the wrong idea of the source of the whole entire universe. Think of it like this, we are pure consciousness and science is starting to be able to prove that. Our thoughts and emotions create our reality. I love quantum physics because I've experimented myself and definitely proving it to be true that our mind, our thoughts and our feelings free our experiences. That's because we have a subconscious mind and however we wire our subconscious mind, will then be projected outwardly into your reality giving you experiences whether they're good or bad. So where does this powerful creativeness come from? If we are creators then it's plausible that there is some sort of powerful source in the universe that is pure consciousness and creator of this universal experience. The Bible is not to be taken literally. The Bible is purely mind science. If you look at it psychologically then you will begin to see an understanding in a totally different manner. We are the universe, and science is proving that too..

[@onlyrald3742]

What I told them to finally get them to stop disturbing me about going to church or believing in a god was "If God is real, let him arrest me the way he did Paul". They haven't disturbed me since then

[@ssj4gogeta130]

Who’s them?!

[@stephenmason5682]

Why does it matter so much to Christians whether atheists believe in their God or not?

[@TallSilentGuy]

Because every atheist they encounter deflates the argumentum ad populum balloon a little bit more.

[@kanguessokang9918]

Because Atheists ask for reason, logic and evidence as the precursor to believing in their God, and reason, logic and evidence are the very things that threaten the existence of religion!

[@Beamin439]

@@walnutoil100 how do you "support" atheism? Atheism isnt a word view. You might want to go learn what atheism is before you try to debate it because you are about to dive head first into an ocean of stupid

[@Beamin439]

@@walnutoil100 also you need to go back and read simons comment again. It looks like you got confused.

[@diegesis4939]

2 Esdras 8:1“And he answered me, saying, The most High hath made this world for many, but the world to come for few.” 2 Esdras 8:3“There be many created, but few shall be saved.”

[@steveswangler6373]

one of the greatest movie dialogues ever was in Forrest Gump. Lt. Dan, "Forrest, have you found Jesus?" Forrest "i didnt know i was supposed to be looking for him."

[@RM-ov8gk]

It was a movie, yet you choose to take what you quoted "literally." Oh my....what if the scenario was Forest found God....would you believe him? Would you try to tell him he did not? If so, ask yourself....who are you to tell someone who knows God, that they do not know God? Foolishness pal.

[@FallingGalaxy]

@@RM-ov8gk I know a lot of people who claim to know a god, and even claim to know the same god. Funny enough, every single one of them also claims their morals match their god's morals, even if their morals don't match in significant areas. It's what you'd expect if no gods were in existence or if any gods that could exist, didn't care, and people just made shit up to cater to themselves. A grandparent who absolutely thinks gay people are sinners who will burn in hell and claims absolutely that their god will do so to everyone who dares love someone of the same sex, while another relative absolutely believes that's not literal and gay people even if they engage in heavy sex with one another and love one another to the alter, will get into their version of heaven as long as they are convinced their god is real, if not, then to hell they go. Others think their god is tossing natural disasters around because women aren't being submissive to men and making babies nonstop, and again, amazingly all of this always has to do with the believer's own personal morals, bigotry, ignorance, lack of education, and upbringing. If a god were responsible and bothered to actually have a real set of standard moral rules, everyone would know the rules as the same even if they went against their own personal moral compass. (Look at how many Christians have changed their moral compass with society's growth and education rather than remaining with what their bible tells them. Like the bible never telling them not to own people and telling them they can own people and how to own them and who they can own. Christians used to use this as an excuse to justify slavery. Now they ignore it, say it's old testament, say it's only for ancient people, say it's taken out of context, and say it's a not meant to be taken literally, etc. Not because their god or bible changed anything, but because they're different themselves and understand things like owning people is wrong, immoral, disgusting, etc. Unlike their bible and unlike people a hundred plus years ago.). So someone claiming to know a god of any kind, is only making a claim. No evidence of it, no reason to take it any more seriously than a kid claiming their imaginary blue dragon is real. The kid next to him might also claim it's real, but has a greens snout not blue. Same difference in concept. It's all made up.

[@oggyoggy1299]

@@RM-ov8gk I am your Lord. And who are you to tell me I’m not?

[@dannymccarty344]

@@oggyoggy1299 you are lord? Lol, in your own mind...

[@Steelmage99]

@@dannymccarty344 I can attest to the fact that Oggy Oggy is Goo Gle's Lord. He divinely demonstrated it to me. Now what?

[@Ammar777s]

Religions are based on geography, where you were born, is the reason you follow a specific religion almost in all cases. And trying to point that out to religious fruitcakes, they'd simply say "well, I'm lucky to be born in the right religion", no matter what religion. I've heard this answer from Christians and Muslims.

[@rG1vZ]

I wonder what would happen to the ppl that existed before christianity, according to christian theology. Do they just go to hell because they were "born wrong"? What abt ppl in asia who for the most part is not familiar with the gospel.

[@Ammar777s]

@@rG1vZ Well, tbh I dunno about Christianity, but in Islam, people before Islam should've been on "the true" Christianity, not the current "corrupted" one or some monotheistic bs, and before that an Abrahamic religion...etc they always have a f*cking answer to justify their bs

[@marcdaniels9079]

Yeah it gets really tiresome

[@dx1450]

It's amazing that the one true religion just happens to be the one someone's parents practiced...

[@Ammar777s]

@@dx1450 ikr

[@annk.8750]

I'm always amazed at the "thought processes" (loosely speaking) of people who think that quoting the bible should carry any weight with people who don't follow the bible, or who think that threats of hell should frighten people who don't believe in hell. Or, for that matter, who think that threats of any kind should attract adherents, rather than repelling them completely. Plenty of the posts on this thread don't seem to grasp those points...

[@grahvis]

The idea of religious belief not being part of a person's life, is unimaginable for many religious believers, that's why they just can't understand.

[@timothygibney159]

They work on people who believe. It kept me trapped for years for fears in burning in hell for thinking wrong. It took 10 years as a result to deprogram myself

[@annk.8750]

@@timothygibney159 I'm sorry to hear that. It was easy for me, because I was raised in the Methodist church - "christianity lite", with more Prince of Peace rather than fear-mongering - and was never subjected to the fire and brimstone stuff that some churches peddle. Glad you escaped!

[@RM-ov8gk]

If your mom and dad were burning in a house fire, would you believe the fire is real? Would you save them or let them die? You need to work on your common sense pal.

[@grahvis]

@@annk.8750 . The Methodist church may well lean on the Prince of Peace side but burning for all eternity in Hell sent there by a vengeful, jealous God is still part of the message.

[@hectortorres5572]

To read some of these comments , and see some defending their ilusion of their god , is so painful.. its so sad.. god is a belief , only real to the extent of his believers, not more , PERIOD...

[@dx1450]

"You're using special pleading." "Special pleading doesn't count when you're arguing for God." Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

[@torontoash45]

especially with a name like Joe Mama

[@canucanoe2861]

@@torontoash45 I don't think you really know the definition of irony.

[@scrumpymanjack]

Victor is an incredibly brave and thoughtful person. Good for him to have sufficient intellect to question stuff that everyone around him just accept without questioning.

[@animalian01]

Last year,I had multiple heart attacks(6 in total),was resuscitated multiple times, had a heart valve replaced,a bypass,multiple organ failure was in a coma for a month and can quite honestly say I never saw the light to go to it ,saw heaven,saw an angel or heard God talk to me. The only things that saved me was the skill of the surgeon's,the care of the nurses,the drugs that help me and the life support technology that kept me alive the ambulance that picked me up and the paramedics and the passer by who gave first aid, Whether God was there or not is immaterial as it didn't show itself and didn't have any input

[@kylebraby2357]

God provided all those people, the knowledge of medicine and everything you listed. God saved you through others…

[@animalian01]

@@kylebraby2357 Years of education and development of tech and medicine saved me God if it exists had nothing to do with it

[@kylebraby2357]

@@animalian01 Those things are literally from God.... so yes, He saved you.

[@animalian01]

@@kylebraby2357 no they are not they are 100% from man

[@Batlafication]

@@kylebraby2357 those people also made vaccines, now why the f is fundamentalist Christians against those? Also, if everything is from God, please, please explain to him why he let my friends 2 y o drown in a pool, or fucking bone cancer in kids. If everything is from God, God is cruel and unloving.

[@jamescampbell2521]

A very mature ,critical thinking young man.His parents should be proud.

[@paulgemme6056]

Being misled by a program is not something to be proud of. The show starts with you admitting that someone being influenced by your program is awesome. The blind leading the blind is not awesome because both will fall into a pit.

[@its1to]

@@paulgemme6056 what is the pit?

[@paulgemme6056]

@@its1to The bottomless pit. The kingdom of darkness. Lost for all eternity. Never being able to reconcile with your Maker/Creator.

[@its1to]

@@paulgemme6056 how do u know that?

[@paulgemme6056]

@@its1to Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. One can't believe in God/Jesus and not believe in his word (the bible). They are one. Jesus is the living word. That's how everything came into being, by his word. When one truly believes in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus (the living word) then they worship God/Jesus in spirit and truth. Jesus is the King of Glory. No one will see the truth, know the truth or know life (spiritual life) except through faith in Christ Jesus and the work he did on the cross. Jesus died to pardon us of our guilty sinful condition. One must see that, believe that in order to be saved (given eternal life). The only other option is unbelief. Jesus the Christ (our creator) says those who do not believe are condemned already "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

[@haireyhomestead3820]

I've had a friend say :" I'll pray for you". In response I told her:" Instead of slapping your hands together, I'd get more out of life if you slap a couple of slices of bread together and make me a sandwich." We both laughed - And she is still a good friend of mine...

[@meloncholy7515]

Love it!!!

[@thehistory5401]

"The last refuge of a man with no answer and no argument, it must have came from God" -Geroge Carlin

[@paulgemme6056]

The worse explanation of why i do not believe in God/Jesus. Because I can't see him.

[@thehistory5401]

@@paulgemme6056 "if i can see something, it Kinda helps the credibilty"

[@Shlooomth]

Undermining parents is not always a bad thing especially if they’re abusive. Undermining abusive parents is among the noblest of pursuits

[@kylebraby2357]

His parents are not abusive. That’s way extreme

[@Shlooomth]

@@kylebraby2357 yeah ok I bet you’re the kind of person who thinks child abuse is always physical and always leaves obvious bruises right?

[@kylebraby2357]

@@Shlooomth Not at all, what an unhealthy assumption you have made. Abuse ofcourse can be emotional, but to call this kids parents abusive with very little to no context of his life... just based off the idea that they wanted him to follow in their christian beliefs is just way too extreme. If you want to play the extreme game then I can easily call your comment abusive to me... so go away you abusive youtube commenter.

[@Shlooomth]

@@kylebraby2357ok, you’re saying it’s not child abide to raise a child believing a religion, so would it be okay for parents to declare their child will be a democrat? And to have a ceremony around recognizing the one year old child’s lifelong commitment to the political ideals of their parents chosen group? Yes, actually, raising a child to believe they’ll go to hell if they misbehave IS ABSOLUTELY tantamount to emotional abuse. Your logic is the exact kind of logic that emotional abusers use. You stay away from me.

[@kylebraby2357]

@@Shlooomth haha you just dont like the argument flipped to you. I have never taught my kids if they misbehave they are going to hell. Not what my church believes. and no, its not abuse for parents to teach their children in their religious ways. Ofcourse there is a level it can get to where it would be abuse.... simply raising a child by the belief and hoping they believe too is not abuse at all. Thats like saying anything you force upon your child (aka, teach them) is abuse. How dare parents MAKE their children go to kindergarten!!! its abuse!!!! they get no choice and they are taught things and tested with no choice! its emotional abuse! haha your logic is so very flawed its insane. Your argument is absolute garbage.

[@williamtarry4405]

There is no need to prove a god does not exist. Except for those who claim "there is no god", but the vast majority of atheists do not make that claim. Theists do claim a god exists, and every theist I've asked has not provided scientific evidence supporting the existence of any god, much less their god.

[@williamtarry4405]

@@boatnikdog if the scientific evidence can only be "seen" by those who already have "faith", then it's not scientific evidence. Can you provide scientific evidence supporting the evidence of a god?

[@alanautpax6829]

@@boatnikdog i think you're confusing scientific evidence, that you can reproduce and falsify, with i have faith that a big sky daddy is up there just because.

[@vertigo4236]

I'm starting to believe in a higher power, I told NHE to check his medication and now he deleted all his posts? Halleluja!

[@18dot7]

He does it all the time. Must be a delusional low-life preschool dropout without a life...

[@Metempiric7]

@@18dot7 He passionate. Don’t mock him.

[@kimweaver1252]

"I do love my creations, but not enough to be specific, consistent, and clear."

[@meloncholy7515]

Maybe God is real, but there was no religious text? Maybe people have created the dogma to control others and God just wanted us to cooperate with each other, be kind to each other, and try to make a positive impact on the world?

[@kimweaver1252]

@@meloncholy7515 So gawd is "real" but doesn't have anything to say? Yep, that makes senese.

[@meloncholy7515]

@Kim Weaver Why would a god need to say anything? Perhaps it made us and took off- who tf knows. I just can't believe everything happened by chance. It's not even about needing to believe in something, or being concerned about my mortality, it just seems highly unlikely that things just evolved with no intervention. Where did the energy come from? It just made itself? Thanks for your snarky answer though, very well thought out.😂

[@kimweaver1252]

@@meloncholy7515 You commit the weak, weak logical fallacy of incredulity. YOU can't imagine, YOU don't know something which you have almost CERTAINLY never studied at length, so IT CAN'T be true. Fail. Oh, as to your energy "question"........ it came from the same place that gawd came from. Did gawd make itself?

[@matthewbland6246]

what is un-specific, in-consistent, and un-clear?? what is your particular issue with the Word?

[@Tupelo927]

What a lovely young man! I wonder how he's doing now.

[@RM-ov8gk]

He is likely more lost now than he was Oct. 17th. My guess is that he is now more confused than when he began searching. My guess is that this guy was offended by something in Willow Creek and decided it was God's fault. So he blamed God and is on the run?

[@RareCr0w]

@@RM-ov8gk Umm not sure where you got this but I’m positive you’re incorrect.

[@Batlafication]

@@RM-ov8gk wat? Forst off, the clip is from December 2015, and it doesn't sound like he's confused at all, his parents are confused, or, were confused, we can hope that they saw reason and started asking questions about their religion.

[@ryry854]

@@RM-ov8gk My guess is that you are wrong.

[@launabanauna8958]

@@RM-ov8gk My guess is that you’re a troll.

[@BScott7220]

2:45 - it's takes some time to get it all ironed out, but once you lock in on it this is one of the most powerful arguments there is.

[@Paremata]

I love it when I get faith conference ads when I try to watch atheist vids.

[@ianalan4367]

Atheism is a money making business.

[@jjboswell5043]

@@ianalan4367 do you have any awareness of how paranoid and crazy that sounds?

[@ianalan4367]

@JJ - No, if anything I would say it’s stating the obvious. Religion is too if it makes ya feel any better ; )

[@paulgemme6056]

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[@L.D.1]

Intelligent dude. He was 16 in 2015, so he's 23 now. Hope he's just as open minded and cool now as well.

[@paulgemme6056]

Unfortunately, if he keeps listening to this guy and others like him, he will be lead farther from the truth/light. The blind leading the blind. Spiritual darkness. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[@L.D.1]

@@paulgemme6056 You are brainwashed sir, and I hope you learn how to be critical in the future. Good luck :)

[@ZhangK71]

@@paulgemme6056 All just more words and Bible word salad. For the umpteenth time, you have claims, great… So what?

[@paulgemme6056]

@@ZhangK71 Circumstantial evidence, all creation screams there is an Almighty Creator God/Jesus Christ. Lord of heaven and earth. King of Glory! Prince of peace! He has gone to prepare a place for those who know and love him. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

[@ZhangK71]

@@paulgemme6056 Again, more preaching. Good for you that you have a fantasy.

[@pauls.6360]

"Obey me!" says every dime-store god in all universes over and under the dictatorial flippancy of religion.

[@animecha]

@@walnutoil100 Wow you really just troll these videos don't you? You already know that evidence for gods non existence isn't necessary when there's no reason to believe he exists in the first place.

[@walnutoil100]

@@animecha wow you don't have anything but childish ad hominem attacks and no evidence?

[@walnutoil100]

@@animecha and you finish with unsupported assertions and circular logic- no wonder your posts are so irrational

[@animecha]

@@walnutoil100 Once again you fail to properly cite a fallacy. An ad hominem is when a person attacks someone and declares an argument wrong because of that attack. "You're argument is wrong because you're an idiot" however you can attack someone and also explain why their argument is wrong and it isn't a fallacy "Your argument is wrong for reason A. Also, you're an idiot." I realize it's a hard distinction for some people to grasp, but if your going to cite fallacies you should really understand them first. I'm sorry the fact that a claim can be dismissed when there's no evidence to support that claim is such a hard problem for you. Maybe if you spent less time trolling and spamming youtube comments and more time actually studying this subject you might be able to argue with more substance. As it is, even your assertion that I'm making "unsupported assertions" and using "circular logic" is weak because yet again you can't explain HOW I'm actually wrong.

[@walnutoil100]

@@animecha Once again you fail to properly cite a fallacy.- Your evidence is? " An ad hominem is when a person attacks someone and declares an argument wrong because of that attack."- WRONG - an ad hominem thats an ad hominem FALLACY - which I never claimed. I stated correctly it was an ad hominem ATTACK, not fallacy. Which is= appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason. "You're argument is wrong because you're an idiot" - dic//tion--ary duut com "You're argument is wrong because you're an idiot" -- which I did not do. I realize it's a hard distinction for some people to grasp, but if your going to cite fallacies you should really understand them first. "m sorry the fact that a claim can be dismissed when there's no evidence to support that claim" - What claim are you referring to?

[@chriskelly3481]

Unfortunately a young, vulnerable, DEPENDANT person like this fella might have to weigh the utility of engaging too intently with his parents on this vs his security. Good on him for thinking and discovering.

[@helihobbit]

... and inheritance. It too matters.

[@paulgemme6056]

Jesus said watch out for the blind leading the blind because both will fall into the ditch.

[@fireinateacup89]

Props to this kid--he's really sharp and mature!

[@michaelfredgren1342]

I love pointing out that God tells a little white lie to test Abraham's faithfulness which, additionally, is totally unnecessary as God should already know if Abraham is faithful.

[@walnutoil100]

Your evidence of any lie is?

[@michaelfredgren1342]

@@walnutoil100 God lies that He WANTS Abraham to offer Isaac as a burnt offering. Is there another testing of Abraham's faithfulness in the Bible?

[@walnutoil100]

@@michaelfredgren1342 You did not prove there was any lies- then you shifted the burden

[@animecha]

@@walnutoil100 It's kind of pathetic how you can't even concede when you're blatantly wrong. He answered your question with an irrefutable example of god lying then you incorrectly called his follow up shifting the burden when it's just a related question. It's pretty clear you either don't understand the fallacies you like to cite or you're a dishonest person who cites them incorrectly on purpose.

[@michaelfredgren1342]

@@walnutoil100 I am claiming that God lied by asking for Isaac to be offered as a burnt offering, but not really wanting Isaac offered as a burnt offering. As I see it, there are three responses. (1) God lied, (2) God told the truth wanting a human sacrifice, or (3) God changed His mind which makes him inconsistent and mutable. If (3) is true, then what other things (like salvation) can He change His mind about? All 3 choices are pretty inconsistent with how God is portrayed in most religions (and the New Testament). Edit: Your rebuttal?

[@cdog4100]

Christopher Hitchens has a great point in this. Is vicarious redemption through human sacrifice moral? Can one be redeemed through such sacrifice? Should the children suffer for the sins of parents?

[@maarri1626]

Can we please stop replying to these trolls. It is evident that they don't listen to the conversation between the hosts and callers nor engage in a fruitful discussion in the comments. All they do is repeat the same thing over and over again. Their minds are made up!!

[@isuckharderthanlife5413]

It's not about what you think it is. Do not expect an honoust interlocutor. It's about scavenging comment sections to leech for its true cravings. Attention.

[@1aundulxaldin]

It's interesting, isn't it? It begs to mind the idea that maybe they haven't really decided what exactly their belief or non-belief platform they stand on. I'm of the idea that maybe, due to social isolation, anxiety, or peer-pressure, they say this because they want to feel like they're a part of the crowd. Whether or not they've opened up a book on Darwin's Theory of evolution, or picked up the Bible and started cherry picking passages they feel would make the popular to post angry messages about on videos like this, is a largely inconsequential issue. We all can't stand not having a voice in the world, I suppose. Internet should make it possible for everyone to connect, but all it accomplishes is making everyone aware of how distant they are from things they feel like they should be a part of.

[@rocketfingers-JSR]

Willful ignorance, the basis of every religion ever.

[@dx1450]

Just like when I was questioning my faith and became an atheist, people told me, "You think about things too much! Stop thinking and just believe!"

[@rocketfingers-JSR]

@@dx1450 Coming from a family that is overwhelmingly religious, I am surprised I didn't get the same push-back. I'm just not capable of believing something to be true when there is no credible evidence to justify it.

[@billyquaide1902]

Ultimately it's good to know Victor's family believes in family more than they believe in religion. This is a wonderful discussion about very thoughtful religious discussions in a family model. Religion is only used as a selfish "get out of hell free" card.

[@RM-ov8gk]

Religion is man-made.....we all know that. However, God id not. You are disconnected pal. God created everything including you. Blame religion all you want, in fact, I agree with you, but just leave God out of it, there is no connection here.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Smart kid... a good example of religion being for people who refuse to grow up.

[@martingrey2231]

"My parents aren't into facts and things like that." Hahaha...he is lucky he made to age 5.

[@lincolnyaco5626]

It is wonderful to listen to Matt & co. Thay are all so utterly grounded in these areas. I am unable quote scripture. Matt has the tool kit needed to hoist these petarded high-schoolers. He also has a marvelous depth of understanding of formal rhetoric and symbolic logic.🧐

[@kieronbrowne7881]

Great to hear a kid like that, very refreshing.

[@martinrhoads7691]

I am an Atheist, with regards to traditional religions, and an Agnostic with creation in general. I find traditional religious people want someone or something to explain the "scary unknowns" a lazy way, rather than themselves putting in the work to use reason. The caller has chosen the more difficult path, but a more honest and fulfilling path, of searching for the truth. Our search for truth has just started, with probably billions of years to go. A fascinating journey we are on!

[@walnutoil100]

So why don't you present evidence God does not exist to end the discussion?

[@martinrhoads7691]

@@walnutoil100 I am still searching for the evidence, one way or another. Using reason. The search continues.

[@mattg6390]

@@walnutoil100 Why don't you present your evidence that he does exist to end the discussion? Also, you just tried to shift the burden again

[@walnutoil100]

@@martinrhoads7691 So why do you believe something you have no evidence for?

[@walnutoil100]

@@mattg6390 shifting the burden

[@shadowsilverlight1651]

yeah i didnt like the No Asking rule. the only way to learn something is to ask questions. glad the guy calling in is asking his parents questions about religion in order for him to make better decisions. my only suggestion would for him to be respectful of their beliefs until he moves out. better for him to have peaceful home…once he has his own place, he can set his on religious boundaries. also find it odd that christians cry that their beliefs are being attacked when people quit believing in their fairytale.

[@ghh4445]

Impressive youth man!!! Has a clear knowledge and waken consciousness about the truth,

[@victornovak8558]

This is really good stuff. This is real logical thinking.

[@tucosalamanca5194]

Glad to know this channel does some good 👌

[@tomschmidt381]

I was raised Catholic. Growing up I could never reconcile god's demands and why he favors faith over reason? Knowledge of the bible came much later as I learned more about theology.

[@interman7715]

@@walnutoil100 Read the Bible!

[@tomschmidt381]

@@walnutoil100 I was raised Catholic, the only unforgivable sin is not believing. You can't control what you believe - you either do or do not believe. I also also struck by the problem that belief and faith are untestable. How is one supposed to discriminate truth from fakes? Seems to me something this important ought to be better grounded so there are not thousands of different beliefs all claiming to be the single correct one with no way to tell the difference.

[@walnutoil100]

@@tomschmidt381 You can't control what you believe- Your evidence is? You never answered the question. " also also struck by the problem that belief and faith are untestable. How is one supposed to discriminate truth from fakes?" - You obviously never heard of the Test of Truth. "with no way to tell the difference." - Argument from ignorance.

[@ajclements4627]

@@walnutoil100 You know all about arguments from ignorance don’t ya Hopeless?

[@amtlpaul]

@@walnutoil100 prove that you understand what an argument from ignorance actually is

[@laserlover2000]

I am a Christian and my best friend is atheist. Next year were going to Europe for 4 weeks. We have conversations all of the time about God, Never got heated. It can be done.

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

Please share this brief video with others: Atheists and Agnostics Need This

[@MarxistKnight]

So what reason is there to believe there’s a god? Because a few thousand years ago, somebody said so. Well that’s good enough for me. If you can’t believe some random, unknown person, who was completely ignorant of the fact the Earth went around the Sun, who can you believe?

[@walnutoil100]

So what's the evidence God does not exist?

[@russellbaker7026]

@@walnutoil100 The same "evidence" that seems to have convinced you that fairies and leprechauns do not exist. There's no evidence for either of these fantastical beings outside ancient manuscripts, legends and children's stories. So let me ask you a similar question: What evidence to you have that Peter Pan doesn't exist?

[@walnutoil100]

@@russellbaker7026 Shifting the burden

[@ajclements4627]

@@walnutoil100 What’s the evidence god exists?

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

@@walnutoil100 Once again, you wouldn't be attempting to shift the burden of proof if you had any god proof.

[@EjwiiiMoviesNYMountains]

Exactly! A god let his only begotten son get tortured to death, then expects eternal adoration and you must follow his rules in exchange, or you're going to suffer in the worst way eternal misery. Maybe I could work out a better deal for mankind. Jokes on us, his son rose again from the grave.

[@EjwiiiMoviesNYMountains]

@@JR3714God commits Fraud!!

[@brenton2561]

Depending on which cult you prescribe to, Jesus is god, God's son, possessed by a holy Ghost, a zombie, or all of them or some combination.

[@paulgemme6056]

Sounds like you also have been led farther from the truth by listening to people who do not know the truth. I hope you and this young man see the danger of this kind of thinking before it is too late. Beware of the blind (spiritual) leading the blind because both will fall into the ditch. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[@EjwiiiMoviesNYMountains]

@@paulgemme6056 You didn't address any of my facts, only more horse manure about "the blind shall blah blah blah". What did I say that's not true?

[@paulgemme6056]

@@EjwiiiMoviesNYMountains The only rule we need to obey to get saved is to believe. Believe the truth about our sinful condition. believe the gospel of Grace. The gospel according to the Apostle Paul. The death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Unbelief is the sin that condemns. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

[@alabastergreen7444]

In my personal experiences I've found that you have to speak slowly and in a calm voice. When they don't have answers and feel backed into a corner they look for any way any opening for them to say that you're attacking them and being mean and disrespectful. If you speak slow and calm, think about what you're saying and make sure there is nothing that could be taken as aggression or anything similar then they won't be able to so easily go into victim or persecuted mode. Ask why this is what you think and listen to them.. offer to research whatever it is together or consider things together They'll still get angry and defensive and then say that you are the one that's angry and it's all down hill from there. Again this is just in my own experiences. There is another large group of people that you'll have to talk with in this same manner.

[@davidsmith7653]

Being a lumberjack must be incredibly sinful. I'm told it's the most dangerous occupation and tends to lead to early death, just like being gay supposedly.

[@theelysian1172]

Thank the stars this kid decided to apply true intelligence on a human level. A small ember of hope yet burns for our future as a species

[@anapeiroten4182]

Remember the whole world isnt like US or Middle East ! Eorope is pretty much atheist .

[@dkeith45]

My advice for all young people and everyone else really. Number one, never discuss your atheism with religious people who have a holy book. It will never end well. Two, play along with your family at family gatherings, pray with them over meals, bow your head etc. Just don't agree to go to church with them. Say you're too busy etc. Three, only discuss atheism with those who are really and truly having doubts about their religion. And even then be careful. They may be trying to con you and bring you back into the 'fold'. Some food for thought: You'll never see a debate between two different sects of the same religion on which sect is the correct one. IE, you'll never see a debate between a Lutheran and a Baptist over which sect is the correct and real Christianity. You'll never see a debate between followers of two entirely different religions on which is the correct one. IE, you'll never see a debate between a Christian and a Muslim on which is the correct and true religion or which is actually following the true God. You'll never see a debate on if the bible is true or not. Christians will never allow their holy book to be criticized. Instead they'll deflect and turn the conversation to if there is a God or not using their holy book as their main source of knowledge and the complexity of the universe as proof their God exists. If any atheist actually insists on exposing the nonsense in the bible, all Christians will end the debate. The journey from believer to non-believer is long and tedious, heart breaking at times. Yet it is unavoidable for those who truly question everything and cannot be told no, to stop, to just believe, just have faith, that humans are too stupid, foolish, childlike, to understand the mysteries. There are several types of Atheists. One common type I call the 'It's all BS atheist'. This type is often a Christian who gets angry at someone in the church, usually when they are young and usually an authority figure is involved and they just quit, calling it all BS. This type often returns to full faith in Christianity in their adult years. Personally I consider myself an 'Agnostic Atheist', meaning I don't know if there is a God, and I don't believe in one. To truly avoid being sucked into a religion like Christianity, or to escape it, IMO you need to really understand all the lies and BS involved in the 'bible' in order to avoid ever being pulled into or back into it. Some good reading on the subject: The impossible voyage of Noah's ark, Robert A Moore. Some mistakes of Moses, Robert Ingersoll. Once you break through the nonsense and lies which is the 'Christian bible' you will never be pulled back into that BS ever again. Once you no longer believe in Santa or the tooth fairy, you can never believe again. To conclude, at age 61, I'm still unsure if Christianity is the best influence on moral behavior in humans or not. I tend to think it is, despite all its flaws. And that turning away from it in your adult years is only for those rare few, who must keep questioning, searching. Atheism is IMO only for those rare few seeking the mysteries of life and the universe. It's the true hidden knowledge that only scholars eventually reach. And ultimately, nothing really matters. It's all the same in the end. Believer or not, it all ends the same. There's no reason to beat Christians or other believers over their heads with the truth. We all die and come to nothing eventually. So let them have their religion if they love it. No harm is done. Our special knowledge is only for those who must find it.

[@555nm6]

respectfully though, think on this famous quote though: “If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we . C.S. Lewis

[@dkeith45]

@@555nm6 What is 'the meaning of life'? And 'why are we here'? Simple. So simple. 'TO LIVE'. That's it. That's all there is. Same as every other living being, plant or animal on this planet. THAT is why it's all the same in the end. It's the cycle of life and death. It goes on endlessly here on Earth and throughout the universe. We humans are complex because of our complex language and complex thoughts. But what does a horse think about life? A dog? A cat? Eat, drink, sleep, friendship in the herd, pride, pack. Mating, caring for the young. Then death. It's no different for humans. We only think it's different. We think it's different for us because many of us have come to believe in an afterlife, Gods, etc. All of which we've created in our minds.

[@555nm6]

what about my quote I referenced? You did not respond to that, thanks

[@helihobbit]

I would add, the fact that we enjoy such a quality of life as we do, whilst we live on, is thanks to the efforts of past generations to better themselves and us. That is NOT nothing I say, as I thank the many whose life has made mine better. And so I hope to better the lives of my children and their own children... So let us please continue, because does that not add up to something good?

[@michaelcrisp2239]

When Jesus was on earth,if he was, why did he not change wood into toilet paper rather then change water to wine?

[@onlimi616]

Because you can't get a buzz off of toilet paper.

[@philb4462]

Because a wedding with an abundance of high-quality toilet paper is a shit wedding?

[@InternetSearchBibleErrors]

Screw that , i go right at the bible contradictions from the beginning of the book. Adam and Eve family INCEST Noah's ark flood Ship family INCEST. Then i cross reference all the abomination verses against INCEST there are like so.many throughout the Christian bible.

[@RM-ov8gk]

Simple......He already made fig leaves for that business.

[@frankensteinlives5451]

Or water to hand sanitizer?

[@keithwilson1554]

3rd Person:We can't agree on the Interpretation of the words in a Book that has been around for nearly 2000 years. There are variations of this Book still being used today. I can go to different churches within a particular Sect(say Baptist) and watch a Preacher give me a different interpretation of a long agreed passage of the Bible to another Preacher that belongs to the same sect. We cannot worship God in the One Church. And such is our hate not only for other religions but that of other Christians that we have killed, tortured or ostracised whole civilisations and continue to do so to this day. We selectively pick out Sins usually to exclude others and in the worst cases cause death. But never use the Sins which affect ME. To this Day we have never Edited this Book to take out references which condone Slavery or the Subjection of Women. So 2000 years of Study and Worship hasn't made us aware of the many advances that modern societies live by now as we haven't changed our Bible. We can never become better Humans as we are stagnated by a Book that teaches us to hate all others who aren't us.

[@kylebraby2357]

if you read the bible and get the message of hate... you do not know how to read haha

[@keithwilson1554]

@@kylebraby2357 Perhaps if the Bible was written in Crayon you might get the message

[@RM-ov8gk]

Foolishness Keith! Why do you choose to believe other books and yet refuse to believe the bible? The bible is a collection of history just like other books. You and others, who don't like what the bible has to say about how we are to live, may be why you choose not to believe it. Show me a scripture that says I am to hate my neighbor? God knew there would be weak people like you who only care to see the glass half empty instead of half full. The bible never condoned slavery, slavery was part of the history during those 2000 years covered in the bible. Show me a scripture that says the bible condones slavery Just one. Crickets.......chirp!

[@nori_tutor]

​@@kylebraby2357"If a man lies down with another man, as if with a woman; such a man must be put to death." Oh yeah I'm reading it wrong, any sane person would read this and realize how loving and merciful god is 😂

[@kylebraby2357]

@@nori_tutor this isn’t hate. You are not looking at it from Gods perspective. Whether you believe in him or not… doesn’t matter. Gotta read it in context.

[@charlie54966]

Jesus said if you believe in him you will be able to do the things that he did and greater too, but how many Christians if any, believe they can?

[@d_camara]

Holy shit. "That's special pleading, that's a fallacy" "No it's not because it's god" I.... Does she know what special pleading is??

[@krisbest6405]

I don,t respect the suffering we all experience, some at birth,some their entire life, and some at the end. Parents ,of sound mind reduce any harm to children. Our entire history is a staggering horror story, peppered now with greed beyond imagination. Yet religion rules ....

[@RM-ov8gk]

I would say your glass is always half "empty." Am I right? I choose to see my glass as half full, and that is why I understand why God allows the things he allows. You should try a different approach to dealing with your emotions.

[@paulgemme6056]

God/Jesus rules! Keep your eyes on Jesus. God's/Jesus' word (the bible) is his love letter to those that have fallen in love with him. Read the bible asking God/Jesus to help you see his unconditional, everlasting, unfailing, perfect love and not to focus to much on the do's and don'ts. Religion is from man and most of it is so corrupt. To the point where God/Jesus is disgusted with it. Peace be with you!

[@clausnielsen9700]

In Denmark a priest can be a atheist. We primary use our churches to have a fine place to get married and buried. I still pay (over tax) to the church, mostly because I like the fine old churches we have, often many hundreds of years old. But I am way to clever to believe in it.

[@astonmartin4360]

My problem with religion is that it was taught at my school as true.We were bombarded with Christianity every day.We weren't allowed to ask difficult questions, just told to believe.That was child abuse.

[@spartacusforlife1508]

The simple fact is Christianity, Judaism and Islam are derived from babylonian and Assyrian religious beliefs.

[@tedgrant2]

We would all like to live in a land flowing with milk and honey (Exodus 3:17). It's ok to kill your enemies when they are in the way (Deuteronomy 20:17). But once you get there, you must love them ! (Matthew 5:44)

[@Stethacanthus]

Holy shit. I was taken to Willow Creek a few times as a kid. If I never go back it will be too soon.

[@karenryder6317]

What is there about mega churches that keep attracting that kind of crowd? I live in the south and the non-denom. mega churches are like catnip for all the Christians in the surrounding area. They grow by leaps and bounds and I always wonder what the big deal is.

[@Stethacanthus]

@@karenryder6317 they have really high end facilities. You can get breakfast and watch the service on a giant screen. There are extensive day care and community programs, etc. Those churches don't demand as much community involvement. Just tax deductible donations in exchange for services with real value. There are people there who are like family to me, but it's definitely a house of merchandise so to speak.

[@darksoul479]

It's hopeless. Don't even try. If they cared about truth they would not be religious in the first place.

[@roostermcscratch9060]

Were you ever religious? If so, you never know. Some people actually *will* think deeply about what an argument against their beliefs has to say. I did. I’ve been embarrassed to have ever bought into such garbage ever since.

[@wadeinn463]

If god has a plan and knows/made the future then praying for him to change his mind is useless.

[@dx1450]

I've said that many times. If something is part of God's will, it's going to happen whether you pray for it or not so prayer is useless. If something isn't part of God's will, then no amount of praying will ever make it happen so praying is useless. It's funny how these Christians think they can change the mind of the all-powerful creator of the entire universe if they telepathically beg him.

[@ex-muslim8905]

If nature is all there is, then thinking is useless.

[@ierwin88]

@@dx1450 However, the Bible says that two ernest believers can pray and cause any result they pray for. I don't understand why cancer, war, etc still exist. Are there not even two true believers?

[@dx1450]

@@ierwin88 Near where I live there's a sign along the highway that says "Pray to end abortion" which is pretty silly when you think about it. I mean, if God hates abortion so much, why can't he do something to end it? Why does he need a bunch of his followers to beg him to stop something he hates so much before he'll do it? And why does all this prayer to stop abortion not seem to be working?

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

@@ierwin88 maybe the problem is their god doesnt exist to hear them

[@Mangos37]

Thank you whoever is posting these

[@RM-ov8gk]

It's great if you are into brain-washing I suppose. Good luck.

[@lookmammesonyaotoob5392]

Keep up the good work AE

[@paulgemme6056]

Deceiving other people. Real good work. Beware of the blind leading the blind because both will fall into the pit.

[@jtg1972]

What does it say about a God who would create an animal whose horns grow so large that they grow THROUGH their jaw, and curve around until they puncture through their skull and they die?

[@RM-ov8gk]

Can you provide and example please? Not just text, but a video, some sort of proof?

[@marcdaniels9079]

@@RM-ov8gk What about the fly that Stephen Fry talks about … burrows into children’s eyes and makes them blind - nice eh ? ….and no I am not going to send you a frickin video. Do your own work.

[@cameronwulff]

@@RM-ov8gk it's called a babirusa look it up

[@RM-ov8gk]

@@cameronwulff Your a what? LMAO

[@lobintool]

If you want to believe in a God then feel free to do so! That is your choice and you should not be denied it..Neither should I be deneid my dis belief!I'm not trying to prove anything...you are ...so the burdon of proof is on you!

[@julieknox1682]

I wish the lying, cheating, married man from my school days, who works in churches, married a divorced "believer", then deceitfully began a relationship with me would have had this epiphany when he was sixteen. I knew him then, but did not know he was being raised and indoctrinated in blind "faith" and fear. It shows, 40 years later. I think it ruined his life, it severely impacted mine. By the way, and maybe no one will be shocked, but he hid and diminished his "religious leanings" from day one of reconnecting. His current church position is in building/facilities, but his last one was "executive pastor" whatever the hell that even means! He knew I was, at least, indifferent, and not a believer. After almost two years, that "divorce" never happened, "godly wife" has known about me. Guess where she is? She and "god" have "forgiven" Rod, and guess who still has his church job? Yeah, they know about us, and how he abruptly discarded me after the second discovery of our relationship. He completely "cast me out." No one cares about his character. He just "fell off his path with christ." Yes, I'm very angry...it's bullshit and hypocrisy, and Judas, and a wolf in sheeps' clothing...I could keep going, but...

[@VidmanXX]

Next time someone tells you there's such a thing as karma, tell them this story.

[@walnutoil100]

Oh and prove this ever happened.

[@mattg6390]

@@walnutoil100 Stop spamming your bullshit and post something of value for once in your life. Your entire life has been based on believing things that lack proof, so you really shouldn't be asking anybody for evidence of anything until you are willing to provide some yourself

[@ajclements4627]

@@walnutoil100 Prove anything you’ve ever claimed in these threads. Oh wait, you’re just gonna lie and claim you’ve never made any claims.

[@walnutoil100]

@@mattg6390 your evidence is?

[@BrickBuilder50]

If every person in the world was like matt the world would be a much better place

[@landonhopwood17]

The word philosophy means to love knowledge and wisdom…interestingly enough most quote-on-quote philosophers contradict themselves. Knowledge is simply what you know, and wisdom is how you apply that which you know. Since this is true, most of the comment section don’t portray the love of truth, but love to twist it to fit their own ideas. The word sapphire comes from the word saphar, which means ‘to speak’, and the Word of God speaks for itself since it was the first word to originate any other words. So yes, God created the Evil One, Satan…but that doesn’t mean there isn’t good in this world, matter of fact it’s proof that good exists. Without truth there couldn’t be a lie, and without good there couldn’t be evil, and without light there couldn’t be dark! Love and blessings to all!

[@cmvamerica9011]

The human mind can believe anything.

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

some human minds can. not mine.

[@FourDeuce01]

Gullible human minds can.😂

[@jamesschneider2091]

Righteously shelve this book of fairy tales called the Bible in the fiction section . . . authors - unknown.

[@myagoodbody7942]

God the first domestic abuser

[@Karl-Benny]

Stars Landing on Earth the Sun moving Around in Impossible ways

[@OriginalKarasu]

Say hypothetically that through my whole life, nobody ever talks about god to me and i never come across any religious books, would i ever conclude that there is some kind of superior being or beings influencing our surroundings and the universe?

[@johnscaramis2515]

Good question, maybe, maybe not. Who knows. But one thing seems obvious to me: if you are in such a situation and invent a god, it will resemble some of the many thousands of gods mankind had over its history, but it won't match exactly. I mean, even the god in the bible is not consistent, let alone Christians with their various denominations. But according to some believers you will rot in hell because you didn't believe in the one, true god.

[@Danny451]

Great show.

[@RM-ov8gk]

What's great about watching people express their denial?

[@Danny451]

@@RM-ov8gk You watched it.

[@slimpickins9482]

Matt at his best.

[@walnutoil100]

??? Best? What was he best at?

[@ajclements4627]

@@walnutoil100 Don’t you ever take a day off from pretending to be a moron?

[@mattg6390]

@@ajclements4627 I don't think he has to pretend

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

@@walnutoil100 And here you are again, and again without any god proof.

[@walnutoil100]

@@exceptionallyaverage3075 prove I made a god claim

[@traog]

2nd Samuel 24: God incites David to take a census, then punished the people with a plague, killing 70,000 till David made a sacrifice at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite. 1st Chronicles 21: Satan incites David to take a census, then punished the people with a plague killing 70,000 till David makes a sacrifice at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite. Which was it God or Satan that incited David to count the men?

[@LM-jz9vh]

Michael Sherlock - Debunking the Devil. Explains it.

[@InternetSearchBibleErrors]

Screw that , i go right at the bible contradictions from the beginning of the book. Adam and Eve family INCEST Noah's ark flood Ship family INCEST. Then i cross reference all the abomination verses against INCEST there are like so.many throughout the Christian bible.

[@ukgaragegold]

All these brilliant , logical , rational reasons not to believe in God…..and then what sounds like a massive trumpet goes off!! and everyone’s like “oh sh*t”!!!! 😟

[@lincolnyaco5626]

BTW, I like this youngman--he seems inordinately bright--for his age, sure, but just in general. REALLy bright. I hope he manages to get a college education. I'd like to see how he develops.

[@heavymeddle28]

Ok? First, but nothing to say 😁

[@heavymeddle28]

@@ookeekthelibrarian oh yeah, I'm just waiting... 😊

[@hegyak]

@@ookeekthelibrarian That Little Emote, is best/win.

[@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT]

Have you any evidence for that? 😋

[@ianmccoll7907]

Good on you Victor, shame you live over there where it's so backward

[@btbingo]

Humans are consistently more malevolent than benevolent which is why hell is so explicitly described while heaven is so weakly and poorly explained.

[@Marekw1976]

I remember going to Willow Creek! Ah so glad those days are behind me.

[@petesevern7638]

In as much I appreciate your refreshing attitude, I have to disagree with Matt on a big issue - Their Bible, the Christian Bible, is LOADED with contradictions, passages that contradict each other. Come on now - Man created this "God" with the personality of a sociopathic murderer, an alcoholic, a hypocrite, simply to name a few of the characteristics of the personality given to this "God" that man created. Here is but one of many contradictions. It comes from the ten commandments. Thou shalt not murder. Yet their God had no problem murdering during the flood in The story of Noah's ark, as well as murdering babies and animals in Exodus.

[@chronicler2313]

Your argument is God’s evil? Laughable. You can’t claim to be an atheist

[@petesevern7638]

@@chronicler2313 The Christian's "God" DOES exist, but in a limited form. Their God exist in their Bibles, and in other printed forms as well. Their God exists in their religious buildings of worship, it exists in their prayers and in their imaginations, and in "believer's" conversations with one another. Their God also exists when people use it in slang/derogatory use. And these are the only formats that their God exists. Now is there God evil? You tell me - what kind of personality floods a planet killing all the life, as well as murdering babies and animals in the book of Exodus? Is that evil? You tell me. Me thinks it's clearly obvious. One last example I'll borrow from modern day: Forest fires that are caused by lightning. (A natural act of God) Now how many innocent animals die every year for these kinds of forest fires? 🤔 And yet, their God allows this. 👎😑👎

[@emordnilaps]

Seek god? In this everlasting cosmic game of hide and seek me?

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

Right..

[@rociorodriguez7836]

It is man that hides.

[@amtlpaul]

@@rociorodriguez7836 really? If God knows all, God knows exactly where to find me

[@rociorodriguez7836]

@@amtlpaul the question is will you accept correction.

[@amtlpaul]

@@rociorodriguez7836 as I said, if God wants to ask me that, God knows where to find me. What business is it of yours?

[@captainapollowilliam]

Matt Diilahunty is Perfectly Correct Perfectly, nothing more I can really say to that effect.....

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

Your usage of perfection doesn't make any sense. Perfect = Cannot be changed, altered, or modified. Something that is perfect is in a state of absolute completion. It is final, it's Done. Hmm...in other words, nothing is perfect. Anything could be said better, different words used, or things can always be modified. Perfection is unattainable. Also, nothing is ineffable.

[@anvb5a1]

Who here is a JoePesciist?

[@isaoblack987]

he looks like a guy that can get things done.

[@chronicler2313]

Its heartbreaking to see Dillahunty still deceived by the devil. Praying for him to humble himself and repent before God!

[@johnscaramis2515]

Repent from your false belief. Whichever god you believe in, it's the wrong one.

[@titantim]

I also haven't been to church in a while, but if I'm CERTAIN that they'll sing the "Hallelujah" song, I'll go just so that I can sing it like Mr. Bean. Also, the father went to a third world countries church and donated a lot of money, and a person said "Keep doing what you're doing", and THAT was the evidence for him!? I've been to many third world countries. If someone sees that you're giving money out, they'll definitely want you to keep going.

[@paulgemme6056]

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[@russelledwards7084]

Ok if a loving God created you for the sole purpose of him wanting you to love him and worship him he's not loving

[@RM-ov8gk]

If you do not know God, perhaps it is easy to make this claim. However, I feel extremely loved, forgiven, in God's presence......keep searching, some day you may see he is a loving God.

[@Timmeh_The_tyrant]

I can think of a lot of reasons why people think god loves them that don’t require a book to tell them.

[@andrewfisherman3811]

Let me get this right: you're saying that discrepancies in the Bible, personal shortcomings in Christians themselves and logical inconsistencies in theology, prove there is no God?

[@Kenjiro5775]

There is no evidence of any god besides a book. There is a whole set of books about giant sand worms, spice that lets people see the future and a planet where water is so scarce that bodysuits must be worn to recapture the water one loses by sweating. Both sets of stories are equally real.

[@henryreinhart5912]

To think whatever you wish is your prerogative, for as long as you exist. We can only hope that you find faith.

[@ResurrectingLeviathan]

I think a lot of us watch these Matt Dillahunty videos and cheer on Matt, even when he’s being disagreeable beyond belief, because more often than not it is a theist on the other side and he’s being very careful about the arguments, questions, and vocabulary at play to make sure he offers no contradictions nor ideological concessions. However, now having watched a few videos in which the caller is a fellow ATHEIST and who asks Matt a very good question, it is a massive shame to watch Matt be so incredibly disagreeable to the question itself just for the purpose of being disagreeable. It comes off extremely rude to me and as a new fellow atheist it makes me never want to ask questions to Matt or a speaker like him, knowing that he will flog me if he doesn’t think my question is 100% worthy. By doing this Matt discourages people like me from asking good, honest questions by being so rudely disagreeable.