BEST OFF-ROADING TRIKE? Ti FLY X VS. ICE Full Fat - 2020 Trike Comparison - Utah Trikes Review

[@boogalythegreat9854]

18:59 “Can’t put a price on this kind of happiness... Actually you can, it’s about 10 grand.” That actually made me LOL

[@markwilliams4911]

Your best review I seen yet. I particularly appreciated Kate’s sharing her opinion’s and shop experiences rather than just giving a factual rundown of the various component differences. I finally came away feeling confident which trike I would prefer for my type of riding which rarely happens. Thank you for keeping it real!

[@Recumbenttrike]

I rode the Auzb Fat trike for 10.000 km across Europe and Africa. And a Auzb tricon 20" for 30.000 km across Europe and Asia. No motor on both. I will soon start a new long trip across Europe and Asia on a Azub Fat again. The Ti Fly X looks great too.

[@pascaldeshayes5459]

Amazing! Could you please elaborate on your experience? Thanks

[@jimburkhalter3133]

This was one of the most entertaining (two Lewis') and very informative comparisons. Thanks for another "classic" video. Two Lewis' = double entertainment.

[@garymcauliffe8960]

Love the way your so honest you know exactly what you're doing and saying and you kick ass guys

[@daveyJ213]

Dude! It was awesome to see two Louise. You guys are getting good with the videos. I am leaning toward the TI-Fly. That front suspension is just plain beautiful and bullet proof. I've seen the front suspension on the ICE self-destruct during a long hard ride. I'll be ordering soon.

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

That could be part of the "negative steering effects" ICE referred to. We'd still like to find a way to make it work.

[@daveyJ213]

@@UtahTrikesOnline I think I may have misspoke about the ICE front suspension. It was the Velotechnik front end I saw crumbling on a video, NOT the ICE trike.

[@TheOrrvillian]

Wow, great editing! Love the timing with the music, love the slow no, love the music. That bit at the end was informative, thank you for putting that in.

[@PaliKysucky]

Excellent video team! This is the 3rd I watched with my wife and it becomes sort of educational-soap-opera-fun-series , thanks for the entertainment, love every bit of it 😂 Topic is exactly on the spot, as I myself could not figure out which would be better choice for me, even I originally considered Azub Fat vs Ti-Fly. Heard Honza from Azub say 2.8”tires on Ti-Fly get that similar Fat trike feeling, but better. Maybe small video addition how this compares to 1.9” kind of tires on Ti-Fly, when u get time 😉 Stay well 👍

[@Iamkayaky]

Kate's talents for giving the straight goods are probably highly marketable. Give her a raise.

[@velvetvideo]

Please do a comparison between an ICE full fat and one of your fat quads, especially with a trailer and and some uphill segments. Thanks for your reviews.

[@deannacoonen3712]

I added the ICE seat to the AZUB as I wanted the cushion of the ICE seat but liked the look and suspension of the AZUB. Also, the AZUB fits in the back of a hatchback. It does take some customization to swap out the seats though.

[@CalvinPuah]

"can't put a price on happiness..... actually, you can... it's about ten grand" I lol'ed

[@andrewprint7523]

Tiflyx can also really go offroad with the sram and wider wtb tires (2.8) en set them tubeless so you can ride on low pressure then you drive about everywhere. Even lose sand at the beach 😉

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

True! Glad someone out there is really pushing the limits of the Ti FLY X!

[@socratesx11]

Absolutely Awesome video. And I mean AWESOME in the sense that you never heard the word AWESOME before and this was the first time ever anyone used the word AWESOME to describe something totally A W E S O M E ! ! ! What fun trikes. Both of them. Fun ending too!

[@keepinitfloored]

The video production is just as great.

[@roberthagood4770]

These two trikes are way out of my price range, but I still like to watch your videos on the wide selection of rides and features available.

[@gregsettle9725]

I rode that ICE all-terrain beast at Cycle-Con in September. Drool, want! Also rode the AZUB. I need to win the lottery!

[@velvetvideo]

which did you prefer?

[@richglaser4566]

You do these commercials the best.

[@knirri]

I would like to see a comparative with power meters, like speed at 150 watts, 200watts, 250watts on flat with no wind, a hot lap around a technical loop, maybe 3-5km and comparing performances... maybe a 6-8 percent hill with each rider holding the same power to weight ratio to see the time discrepancies... just some insight, sick trikes, I hope I get to have one soon..

[@miller2675]

I love my 3000watt Veloks MK3!

[@ImBooX2]

I'm now waiting for the Full Fat Ti Fly X video, Kait.

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

I knew someone would catch on to what we're doing! Azub has their Fatty 26, but a Ti FLY X with 26 x 4's? Insanity.

[@andrewprint7523]

Azub is not gonna make a tiflyx fatty they don't see the reason why they need to.

[@rudiverneirt6144]

I am driving a Ti Fly X with 26 x3,5 wide tires and it is super. My rear derailieur is now limited.

[@andrewprint7523]

@@rudiverneirt6144 how did you get a 3.5 tire between the rear end 🤔😅

[@rudiverneirt6144]

@@andrewprint7523 my drop-outs are customized

[@anniecharles]

Excellent review.and useful information. Thank you

[@velocelt]

I thought I noticed some side-to-side front wheel shimmy on both of the trikes in some parts of the video, but I'm wondering if it's: 1. Larger diameter wheels will have some inherent side-to-side play from the side-loading that happens with trike wheels? 2. More noticeable on the Full Fat so was it more a combination of the supple sidewalls of the Jumbo Jims in conjunction with the front suspension? 3. Is it just micro steering corrections from the wheels being influenced by rolling over bumps? I ask all of this because I'm building my own custom full fat tadpole tandem trike and my wheels are based around Jumbo Jims, mainly because they have the lowest rolling resistance of any 26x4.0 tire and I really liked how they performed (even on pavement), on my Surly Pugsley. Anyway, I really enjoy watching your videos and it's always cool to see trikes out handling the rough stuff.

[@frankhennigan1668]

I've wanted a trike since the 1st one I tried out years ago, so I finally went out and bought one. Now, after seeing the video I think the Tifly X would be much more suitable because it seems to be more flexible as far as terrain!

[@auntdayskitchen6315]

I would love to see a video between the full fat ice and the fat cat make your price points about the same and see what you can do to each bike for that price

[@bkhelgemo]

I love your store and you do a great video.

[@dustinsmith8890]

My question is… which would you guys choose for rough dirt/gravel hill climbing.. the Full Fat or the Revolution eQuad RS?

[@nikkylandry1163]

Azub all day long. Those clamps are going to die fast, from the ICE the Azub folding style will last a lot longer, Azub has 2 seat types, the mesh and a foam option, the tires can be 20" or 26" all 3, they have way better suspension especially in the front, it folds down smaller, not that I would ever fold them, just tie them down in the truck bed, and the Azub can go just as many places. The Azub sits lower, the lower you sit in a trike, the faster you can take a turn without feeling like you might die young. I don't like front brakes on my trikes, I delete them and only use the rear brake. Why because hauling ass down a hill one day, a kid walked into the road, I didn't want to impail said child with the spinky front sprocket and bar, so I smooshed both rear and front brakes hard, I mean really hard, that back wheel came off the ground, I was moving in the hardest available gear possible, down a hill, that was the most terrifying Ollie of my life. So as not to ever repeat that, I pulled off the front brakes and oddly enough, the trike lost about 30 pounds. And you can put fat tires on the Azub of you really, really want. It's harder to put regular size tires on a full fat.

[@alistairriggs5911]

Ti Fly wins every time for me but then I own one and they are a fantastic machine been off-road on it up and down old drove roads with no problem go Ti Fly

[@stompindakka3222]

Sweet Video guys.

[@debbieschwartz3132]

Great super helpful video and yes Kate I agree why not have am extra set of beefy knobby tires for the ti fly????? And 2 Lewis's! Doesnt get any better than that.😅💘..you guys are awesome💞

[@frankhennigan1668]

I'd like to know if the Bosch e motor will work with three Tifly X??

[@arnelcarloscagurangan5880]

What are the specification of your trike? And range?

[@nikkylandry1163]

Just from looking at them side by side, I like the Azub X better, it's lower to the ground and can go just about as many places as the Full Fat. Though the full fat might be easier to get in and off of, it's gonna be a pain in the ass loading it up, even folded.

[@frankhennigan1668]

I'll check back tomorrow.

[@MACAVENTURES]

en France c'est vraiment trop compliqué pour en acheter un, j'ai configuré le mien mais problème d'achat je ne sais pas comment faire 🤔

[@stompindakka3222]

Questions at Utah Trikes. For those who may not be looking at a recumbent trike what "granny style" trike would you suggest for commuting daily and can handle some light trail duties? That has 2wd rear end over the 1wd standard. And how many snacks is too much?

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

If you can no longer pedal, you've had too many snacks. The Sun Baja would probably be the best "granny" trike for a little trail riding. It has the fatter tires and we can do the 2wd conversion on it. Unfortunately we won't be able to get any Baja's in stock until October.

[@stompindakka3222]

@@UtahTrikesOnline you just made my day with part of that reply! "If you can no longer pedal, you've had too many snacks" ill go revisit the Sun Baja video for all the specs. thank you once again!

[@TheSirHoschi]

I ordered an ICE Full Fat in June 2021 with frontsuspension (759,- € / 890,- $). They changed their mind again? Sorry that i can´t order in your shop, you are "so faaar, faaaar away" (5.300 Miles).

[@JaakkoKallio]

I'm looking for a trike for bike park use. What do you recommend, custom built Ti FLY X or maybe the Scorpion fs 26 Enduro? Or something else?

[@stephencollie9449]

I'm still trying to keep up taking notes , just to erase some at the end. Thumbs up to Lewis.

[@rtowno]

So.... is it possible to put fat tires on the Ti Fly ??? What is the fattest tires the current wheels could accept?

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

Yes! We have built a few Ti-Flys with 20x4in fat tires.

[@ETCBroadcasting]

One more thing to consider. ICE voids their factory warranty with any motor over 250Watt.Azub maynot

[@michaeltemple5005]

Nice job in describing mods that would make the TiFly more dirt worthy, but you neglected to make comments on what would make the Full Fat more road worthy. How narrow a tire could you put on those rims? Could you put 20" front rims/tires with as narrow tires as you could and then put a fat slick on the back? I am assuming here that tire changes would be the the key variable, but of course some higher end range in gearing would help as well I suppose.

[@justinhartman5542]

I love the Dumont model trike I seen , then came across the quad Dumont! I’ll be doing a lot on pavement riding but would love to do some off roading. Which one would you recommend? I would assume the quad is more stable?

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

The quad is definitely more stable, but there is some custom fabrication involved that really bumps the price up on the dumont quad. The fatter tires will also add a little bit more comfort to the ride. You could maybe throw some wider, knobbier tires on the standard dumont that would make it more suitable for off roading.

[@allenalvarez5606]

@@UtahTrikesOnline ALVAREZ

[@paulahavens2764]

have you done a video with a stuck pedal? If so could you let me know how you get them off. I have one and can not get it off any suggestions is appreciated. thanks

[@owlrecon6263]

So probably a no brainer but I try to never assume question 1 can you take a trike on "singletrack" (mtb) question 2 can you jump a trike or would you break the frame where it folds 3rd Lewis talking smack to himself pretty funny

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

We have not yet attempted to navigate a single track. My concern with a singletrack would be steep turns. A trike would not be able to perform quite as well around sharp corners. Can you jump a trike. Yes. You can jump a trike. Not sure what would happen when you hit the ground though. We wouldn't recommend it. One of our guys jumped a KMX a few years back and it did not end well.

[@frankhennigan1668]

I would like to compare the Catrike 559 w/Bosch emotor to the Tifly X. The 559 is a nice trike and mine has only test miles on it. But I'm thinking the TiflyX would be more my style of riding. IDK what to do regarding this dilemma. WHAT'S your helpline?

[@daliborkirin6350]

Hey nice video. Got question. What do you think about the trikexplor quad from motrike? Will you maybe have some review on it?

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

We have never ridden nor reviewed the trikexplor quad. We have heard mixed reviews on quality and performance.

[@daliborkirin6350]

@@UtahTrikesOnline Thanks. It would be great to hear your thoughts on this one. Thanks again. Stay sharp😊

[@Skormm]

lol Lewis (Louis?) always seems like he doesn't really like being on camera. Poor guy... LOVE YOU KATEEE

[@thierymorris4763]

Now I am over the shock of Lewis on duplicate! May I refer to your final comments. On many previous videos you have stated. “You want a trike your way. We can do it” you have shown that you develop and produce fixes for many problems. ie. you want larger rear wheel? No problem. With the Utah in house designed and manufactured extension brackets. Why is it then a problem to supply after sales suspension as an upgrade? You can explain why it is no longer standard and forward your recommendations based on your experience. Kait, Dylan and even Lewis are trusted sources of sound information based on facts and experience. If you feel the front suspension is to your clients advantage. Why are you not keeping it as an option?

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

We didn't get much more information out of ICE as to why the change. We recently tried to order two Full Fats with front suspension and ICE told us it was no longer an option and asked us to update our online configuration. Could Utah Trikes work around those negative steering effects? Likely, but it's probably a project for the not-so-busy season in Nov, Dec.

[@patrickchen6235]

How much its cost ?

[@BillSprague]

Zen question... is that one Louis too many or one too few? 🤔

[@soronir3526]

First they take away the jousting lance mount, and now they've done away with the front suspension? smh

[@michaelpaulos420]

Is that Davey 504 doing the back up music?

[@andrewprint7523]

The tiflyx is a really good trike but i would love to see a qaud version of it. I am thinking of doing a rebuild on the rear end. And use the same suspension on the back like the front leaf springs.

[@ScramblinJim]

Great video. I have 1.95 width tires on my HP Velotechnik Scorpion FS-26 and they are a good compromise for mild off-roading vs street. I assume Scorpion has poorer ground clearance to make it a strong candidate for consideration with these two trikes.

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

Correct. Although if it's just suspension we're talking about, the Scorpion FS is right up there with the Ti FLY and that would likely be a good comparison to do a video on.

[@andrewprint7523]

If seen and drove the scorpion fs-26 with 24 inch front wheel, it gives you more ground clearance and easier rol over objects but you sacrifice some stability when sharp turning.

[@randythomas3580]

What is the music that comes on at 15:40 It's a kick ass riff

[@WDM1966]

I don't understand this prices, which seems to me trully over the top, which is nearly a car price, just for a trike

[@nobodyisprfct]

I know price is a touchy subject. I am wondering about payment options that allows the seller get their desired selling price and some that doesn't require a fico score credit check (like accumulated monthly payments for a year or 6 months). When I hear 10k I think ya I can do that for 100 to 150 per month. But the instant gratification won't exist for seller. 150 a month for 12 months at 1,800 a year, for 6 years. Then I think is a 10k bike really necessary? Well to get the features I think I will need. YES! So, then think to myself, "if only I could 🤔....... ". Nothing I can think of nothing. Instantly I get images of the Jerry Mcguire movie scene of "show me the money" stuck in my brain 🧠. The best is going to cost no getting around that fact. Sheesh! Which is safer the quad or the trike? The quad has plenty of room in back for camping gear and rockhounding stuff and a small cooler for food. Its like the pickup truck of bikes. If only some kind of electric pully system could be developed that would pull the bike on top of the subaru car. Just line up the tires on some metal strut and push a button. I bet it would be easy to design but the added cost? Sheesh! A quad with independent suspension fat tires that can handle lava rock, has one crank arm 1 1/4 inch longer that the other. Has a bafang motor that can give me 35 mph assist. I really need to move to delta. Then I won't need a rack for car. I wonder if it would be worth having a different set of wheels for long distance road riding 🤔. Florescent orange and blue with a carbon fiber led pole with flag. Or Florescent orange with blue reflective tape.

[@philgruber6345]

Can you do a video ti fly vs kettweisel evo

[@cjapps82]

Hi people so I'm looking for a pedal trike that can do what a bowhead can do any suggestions?

[@karpo63]

Well I guess the only answer is one of each! All kidding aside these both look like great fun and I think most would know which was right for them. To me the Ti seems a little better engineered.

[@tancolvis5240]

The mesh seat needs to be better for Long distance n a safety seat belt

[@outthasky]

Two trike Jesuses. Pretty awesome

[@DoseAmigos]

Which would best for Sandy Beaches and pavement roads?

[@frankhennigan1668]

Good question! I'd like to know the details.

[@Jutols]

Man I love these but the makers dont understand I could go buy a four wheeler a brand new Kawasaki brute force 750 for 7k. 10k max I wish the prices where lower for the off roads like 3k max

[@batmscot6149]

Azub tricon 26 eat em up yum yum 😋

[@conantdog]

I laughed twice as hard ✌️

[@MrPemabenza10]

Tifly X is all rounder. You can ride on regular road with high speed and also on off road.

[@frankhennigan1668]

Would say the Tifly X is more of an "all rounder than my catrike 559. Or am I replying to the wrong person?

[@jimmymalone3494]

I love it

[@gerrymcmenamy5919]

Do you have any good used encumbent trikes, tri or ice?

[@frankhennigan1668]

I plan on selling my catrike 559 w/Bosch emotor! Less than 50 miles. Otherwise I'll have to trade it and Utah trikes don't take trades.

[@lori2064]

Man, I’d love to walk through that shop! Probably never walk out😂

ou peut on trouver cette machine, je suis en France, et je cherche un modèle tricycle électrique coucher pour de grand voyages (tour d'Europe)

[@wornoutwrench8128]

I take my Expedition onto trails and dirt roads on the very rare occasion. I pretty much hate it, with no suspension it just jars the crap out of me. I would like to get some more dirt time in, Love the Full Fat. Looks like it would be the most comfortable on a gravel road, but I like my speed too. Hmmmmmm Wonder why they dropped the front suspension, must have been and incident of some kind.

[@frankhennigan1668]

Looks like I purchased the wrong trike for me! After seeing the tiflyx in the video I feel it would fit my type of ride better than my 559 w/ the Bosch e motor. I probably have only about 10 miles on the trike. What can you do to help me out? Can we talk?

[@Neverwithoutmypermission]

I'm not wondering how to compare the two. I'm wondering how companies are charging a price rivaling a motorcycle for these slightly converted bycicles.

[@MaxBorges888]

The "Maximization of Profit" price is calculated by a mathematical formula. The more unities is sold, the lower the price. In this case it is too overpriced because they probably sell only a few dozen a month. DIY, steel can be found everywhere and welding is not that difficult and the tools required are affordable. One can make out of wood too, it is lighter and can be even better.

[@ETCBroadcasting]

Speaking as an ex-adventuremotorcyclist, The staying alive option you get with the trike is worth the money

[@CR10.07]

I was wondering how much happiness cost?

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

Ha! If you're happiness consists of three fat wheels and long rides down the coast.... total comes to $9,997.

[@CR10.07]

Yep, there she is... orange happiness

[@iraq03to04]

easy use

[@kayhyde2161]

Nice Trike ......... MADE IN USA ?

[@ETCBroadcasting]

Tifly= Chez Republic. Ice=England.

[@BEETHOVEN_H_]

Price Please Of Ice ❤🌟❤🔥

[@ETCBroadcasting]

Prices are online at Utah cycles ,Azub and Ice, It is no secret that they are *very* expensive,$10K and up

[@josericardomejia9967]

Cuanto cuesta una

[@vernhollermann1879]

😊😊😊

[@tomprentice6935]

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[@raymondo162]

hahaha ha ha...………….. £10,000 ? I bought a Triumph Tiger, low miles 06 plate for £3,000. it has a three-cylinder, 955i engine producing 84bhp. just sayin

[@raymondo162]

oh I forgot to mention: it has really really good suspension at both ends, included in the price.… performs well at slow speeds, and is stable at 100mph

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

That's awesome! Are you comparing your $3,000 motorcycle to a $10,000 pedal electric hybrid? They're not really the same thing though right? Can't ride them the same places can you? Customers buying these trikes aren't really looking for motorcycles... I guess if they're spending $10k on a trike they could probably afford a $3k motorcycle if they wanted one...

[@raymondo162]

I merely fail to understand why anyone in their right mind would shell out for a trike, when you can buy a small car for the same price. I fail to understand cos it's not like a trike has any complexity to it at all...………… what are you ACTUALLY paying for ?? 10k

[@CR10.07]

Steven Keck wow that is so cool you ride so long and in so many areas.... do you feel safe on highways? Good you have a trike that adds to your life... love it. You go!

[@stompindakka3222]

I fail to see why i would want to pay for car/Automotive insurance, Fuel, License renewals, and repairs(and more im sure i forgot some stuff) if you happen to get hit or hit something? and what if you are a person who does not want to drive and dont live anywhere with public transit.

[@กําธรลักษร-ญ7ท]

You are beautiful girl ...... . I love you..555

[@avnihooven4761]

Burası kırsal aile

[@ellerybice3787]

🚴🏼🚴🏼🫡🚴🏼🚴🏼🚴🏼

[@جيكوالسيدجابر]

هل ممكن اكون موزع ليكم في مصر 😍

[@breakandrun70]

Hi Guys & Gals, Really enjoy your videos, very well done and self explanatory. They have a degree of fun to them too. Getting to business, I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. We have miles of trails, mountains, beach and tons of snow in the winter months. So would be a great environment for a fat trike Quad. Would you people be interested in building me a trike and have it shipped to Canada? If so, I would be interested in talking to you people. I have mountain biked for a few years and really enjoy it but my age is catching up with me. I would like to try the quad trike, with power 750W. Live in Truro, Nova Scotia. B0N 1C0 Please answer this message and let me know. Thanks Barry M.

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

Barry, shoot us an email: [e-mail] and we can talk about a quad.

[@Bueolmutz]

Monotone voice and blabbering out specs at a high pitch, made me mute and put captions.

[@UtahTrikesOnline]

Rude.

[@ETCBroadcasting]

Are you an actor? She's doing great as a non-professional. If you don't have something nice to say...

[@arnegerhardsen3755]

I cant understand why you have not been able to keep neither Luis, Dylan, Kate and all the other very klever employers from this team in Utah Trikes.

[@antoniofelix8510]

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[@ericprimrose7369]

So- $7k trike with drivetrain parts from a $500 min bike? Weak sauce.

[@ETCBroadcasting]

Have you seen the prices of MTB bikes?, same sauce, Quality is not cheap. I paid $ 8,000 for my Specialized Turbo Levo.wWorth every cent in fun.