Best Subwoofer under $500 for music and movies. RSL Speedwoofer 10s MKII Review.

[@NemoPropaganda]

**Pinned Comment** Everyone keeps asking about how it compares to the SB1000 Pro, It's fairly staright forward: I love the SB1000 Pro and it is in fact my favorite SVS subwoofer, it has a ton more features by way of the cell phone app and is much smaller so it's great for anyone with a major space constraint. While both are great subs the RSL being larger will have more output overall. SQ between the two is similar enough. I suggest you choose based on physical dimensions or features if you need them.

[@EDCAssociate]

Literally was gonna be my question. After the video. What about a used sb2000?

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@EDCAssociate hey bro, that's a tough one, I've never had both subs here at the same time. My memory is a little hazy but I want to say the RSL still has a thicker bottom end because it's ported while the SB2000 Pro had a little more in room extension and a slightly cleaner sound. I really couldn't say with any confidence which one was outright better but if my memory is service me well the SB2000 pro should take the edge. Really take this with a grain of salt though.

[@rjzlwop3153]

So are you saying that this sulfur is not as good as the SPS 1000 Pro? And I believe this would be the subwoofer you and I were discussing previously? I’d like to review a lot thank you for sharing

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@rjzlwop3153 Yes this is the one. No I'm not saying either is better, it's just like it says at the end: I suggest you choose based on physical dimensions or features if you need them.

[@rjzlwop3153]

@@NemoPropaganda thank you very much

[@Rob-fq2oh]

Great review as always. I have a MkI and a MKII, also have dual SB2k’s and two lower end Elac 10s for the bedroom, have had some Polk junk.. have listened to many over the years and I will concur there is absolutely nothing that comes close to checking all the boxes: construction, power, depth, control, size and not least, customer service as a RSL. When they did the preorder the website crashed and when I called late in the day they were all sold out. Whomever answered the phone said they anticipated that and put a few away for customers that couldn’t order online. Absolutely stellar.

[@Audfile]

I wanna add something. Must be coming up on three years with these things, used daily. Have them on auto standby, they always get signal and start right up. I've had subs where that goes out and you have to leave them on all the time, not these. No hiccups, not even a slight issue. Amps built into subwoofers are notoriously sketchy, especially for $399, but these things are just dead reliable. Build still looks fantastic, they aren't falling apart anywhere. Premium ownership experience. Full phase control, all you get in a REL is a 0 to 180 switch. Full phase control lets you really dial in a pair of subs to where it's flawless. With phase switches, I guarantee you it doesn't sound right. Perfectly blended, linear, punchy, fast, powerful. Useful to 20hz in my room. Lmao, RSL, you guys are awesome!

[@HeyYall398]

Love your Camry analogy. Thank you for the review. Nailed it. I just shared your video to my audio related facebook groups.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Much appreciated and glad you enjoyed it!

[@capnsnaxx]

Out of all reviewers I was hoping to get a review of this new RSL sub from you and you came through. In fact you're the only person to review this so far that I know of. It looks like RSL did it again. Wow! I bought the older model based on your review. This is a great company. It's a crime that they are able to sell these for the price they're going for.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Thank you for the kind words Anthony, I totally agree!

[@billmcginley]

I used to go to their showroom in Canoga Park back in the 80's. They had a couple of sets of JBL's on their wall of sound and in many regards the JBL's sounded better but the RSL's sounded pretty damn good too- especially since they cost much less because you bought them directly from RSL. After that showroom closed I assumed they became extinct like ADS or Boston Acoustics.

[@capnsnaxx]

@@billmcginley yeah I do believe they did sell the company off to someone else and bought it back from what I heard. But they are an amazing company. I wish I could have seen that showroom.

[@B.A.Bassangler]

Well I finally took the plunge and just setup my new RSL10sMKII. I had to put in in a corner, but with a really low gain setting, (a pinch off of, off), WOW what a difference. I'm no electrical engineer, but there has to be something about 400W making such an improvement at such a low gain. Don't just buy for the quality...RSL's customer service is top notch. Joe Rodgers answered my email's promptly, and helped with some mounting solutions for my bookshelves (CG-23's). Starting out with speakers crossed over at 90hz, and SW a touch over..."Shine on You Crazy Diamond" is sounding magical...what more could a guy ask for? I owe you a few bones for all your review help...see you next payday!

[@FlyGuy457]

I had the best experience with the RSL folks. Fantastic customer service.

[@ryanw8664]

Same here. I thought I had a technical issue with my unit and the OWNER of the company called me over the weekend to address my concerns. Turned out to be a non-issue BTW

[@tycheesey]

The owner actually writes emails and has specific recommendations for every customer that inquires. What an awesome business!

[@B.A.Bassangler]

Thanks!

[@B.A.Bassangler]

It's official...I'm a Bass Head. RSL kicks. My last SW was a 10" Klipsch...night and day!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hell yeah brother! I'm happy for you, that's a really good upgrade you did!! Thank you for the Thank, I will regift it to other youtubers and share the love :). Maybe to zero fidelity so he can buy more pineapple pizza lol

[@SixMeter]

The Speedwoofer 10S MKII I got a week ago is an awesome sub! If you didn't see the size of it and just listened, you would think it is a larger subwoofer. I am just running it in a 2.1 configuration. I have the Bose Companion desktop speakers (with built in amp) and the Speedwoofer 10S MKII connected to the RCA outputs on the back of a 2017 Vizio 48" TV. I'm very impressed! The A/V Reciever I want is out of stock. Beings it sounds this great with a stock TV, can't wait to here it connected to a high quality reciever! You helped me make a decision to go with this sub. It is everything you said it is! Thanks for doing a detailed review on this Subwoofer! You now have a new subscriber!

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you for the feedback my bro! I'm glad you're enjoying it :)

[@vilmfilm]

so you have rca in and rca out to the powered speakers? is the rca out have passthough WITH crossover or do the speakers still play full range?

[@SixMeter]

@@vilmfilm Using RCA out to the input of the powered Bose desktop speakers that have their own crossover built in. So, Yes full range.

[@racerex100]

I have one of these on order. Should receive early next month. I thought I was going to get the SVS SB 1000 Pro. Never heard of RSL, but somehow ran across their site researching for a nice entry level sub. I wanted to raise the level of my modest 2 Chanel system. A PS Audio Sprout100 with a pair of Elac UB5’s. I rebuilt a vintage Pioneered turntable and the system sounds pretty good. But as usual, looking for that next level…. It never ends. Anyway, nice to hear very good reviews on this subwoofer. Thanks for taking the time to review…

[@NemoPropaganda]

have some patience getting it dialed in and I think you'll be happy :)

[@normanham6142]

Love your straightforward reviews. Like your style. Tell it like it is. I’ve done a lot of research. So much my friends make fun of me. I came to same conclusion about RSL Speedwoofer. The best VALUE for my money! Plenty of low end w/o breaking one’s budget. I want mine for a dedicated 2.1 music rig. Thanks for honest, no bullshit reviews.

[@NemoPropaganda]

You got it bro, don't get me wrong there certainly is better out there, just not for $449. The next real upgrade is the Rythmik L12 at $629 but that represents a 50% increase to the budget.

[@normanham6142]

@@NemoPropaganda I understand. The title said …under $500. I’m trying to keep it at $500 max for a small bedroom 2.1 channel music only rig I’m putting together. At that price point, RSL Speedwoofer is best quality all around imo. The most “Bang for Buck”!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@normanham6142 100% agree. RSL is impossible to beat at it's price.

[@mindhead1]

Dual subs are the way. I have 2 RSL Speedwoofers in my music system. Adding a sub was one of the best sound quality improvements I ever made.

[@NemoPropaganda]

excellent choice!

[@Audfile]

I wanna add something here about the company. I bought the 10 MKiis when they were brand new models, and one of mine was an early model amplifier wise, and it recently failed. Took about 5 minutes on the phone with an actual person (owner of the company) and a brand new warranty amp will be here in 2 days. Very impressive, no fuss, customer service. This is the kind of company you can trust.

[@HPMIKE55]

Your 100% right and keep up the great job! 😎👍

[@luisnarvaez4762]

13x 19 feet listening area here! Even though I have 2 of them, I’m just auditioning the 10s mkII. And just so you know, this little Beast is freaking impressive! I can’t wait to turn on the second one! Opening scene on Terminator “dark fate” !… don’t care how grumpy you can be, it will definitely put a smile on your face! More to come. Thanks Nemo for the awesome review.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Nice man! The pair should be killer in any room, you certainly can get better subs, not without spending more money though!

[@justinvaughnatx]

I had been shopping REL but you really have my attention with this sub. Can you speak to the quality of output, especially for musical listening? This seems like it really checks some boxes. I've been watching your reviews and appreciate your time and effort, you're doing a great job here!

[@NemoPropaganda]

it depends what you value and what your budget is. If you value output & extension then the ported RSL will be the easy choice. If you're not so worried about max output or extension and are instead more focused on having the best fidelity & sound quality then something like the REL T/X range is an easy choice. They're both really good but also very opposite.

[@megaboy2811]

How does it compare to the SVS PB-1000? Seems to be at a similar price, but also considerably larger

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hey bro. I have not heard pb1000 but I expect pb1000 to play louder with a larger sense of scale due to its larger size. Just a guess though.

[@Slickman2006]

Awesome bro I was hoping you'd review one of these. I only heard the original but it integrated better than any ported subwoofer I've ever heard, I did have 2 though. I really enjoyed the sound I just wanted it to dig a bit deeper. I imagine the MK2 is an awesome sub.

[@NemoPropaganda]

if you still have them make sure the phase is perfect! That will make a big difference in how deep they dig but at the end of the day they're not that big so you might just need bigger! :D

[@Slickman2006]

@@NemoPropaganda I have 2 original Predators now. 😁

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Slickman2006 ah, that is a substantial difference :)

[@BigGeorge3397]

I’m excited. I just ordered two on 9/21/22. My plan is to get two more when the next sale comes for a total of four. Hopefully 4 will do the trick. I’m going to put each one a quarter of the total wall distance

[@NemoPropaganda]

excellent choice!

[@michaelr1624]

I just like listening to you talk. 👍 Thank you for making comparison’s with 2x RSL’s. But now I am curious what 4x would compare too! 😂

[@NemoPropaganda]

you're a mad man and I love it! :D

[@Audiomainia2310]

Always dig your honesty and frankness - no bullshit with you b - that's appreciated big time. Quick question - since the port is on the rear, placement becomes an issue, so how far from the wall to keep it from becoming muddy? Thanks again Nano!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hey brother, thank you! It's going to depend on the room a lot, I pushed it as far back as I could and in my room it never got muddy unless I had the crossover & gain up too high. Of course very affordable subwoofers like this really have to be setup perfectly to sound their best.

[@Audiomainia2310]

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for the tip - gonna try to order one up right now my brother.

[@theboatyboat]

I passed on a used PB-2000, half because I could not be sure about the unit's abuse history, but also half because I haven't heard anything negative about the Speedwoofers. I prefer the output of a 12" woofer, and if RSL ever gets a 12" to market I would definitely be hopping on the train for one. I'm really looking forward to hearing some really clean punchy bass again. My old 12" has seen much better days, and I've no real use for low frequency extension as it'll be in a 2CH setup. Thanks for the review, I haven't seen a MkII review pop up before yours. :)

[@NemoPropaganda]

if you don't need the extension a pb2000 would be overkill, it's greatest strength is it's ability to rumble!!! If you're looking for more SQ and don't need gobs of low end extension look at the REL TX range.

[@bryanmorgan758]

Bought a rythmik F12 based on your review! Big upgrade for me! You the man!

[@NemoPropaganda]

oh nice!!! that's on another level compared to this sub. Great choice!!

[@bryanmorgan758]

@@NemoPropaganda emailed rythmik and let them know you're the reason. Thanks for the practical, no bs reviews that is fully for the consumer. My type of content 👍🏼

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@bryanmorgan758 oh you didn't need to do that but I appreciate it! What sub did you have before?

[@bryanmorgan758]

@@NemoPropaganda the Rythmik is my first! Paired with my celestion 7s and sounds incredible!

[@michaelgochez7768]

Much anticipated review Nemo and first I've seen of it! Love how 1uick and to the point you are getting to the meat and potatoes! Do wish the comparisons we're a little better like maybe throw and SVS or more detailed comparison to the L12. I also wanted to hear if the rear port had any issues close to the wall? A rear port is pretty odd to see in subwoofers. Looking forward to your thoughts!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Rythmik L12 is a big upgrade over the Speedwoofer in terms of SQ & nuance detail. The sb1000 pro has a ton more features so if that matters to you that might be worth the extra $160 but the RSL is a little larger and a ported 10" outperforms the smaller sealed 12" in this particular comparison. The RSL is hard to beat.

[@jakub249]

Thanks for the content! I've been doing some searching, at first was gonna go with an SVS sub and than found your review on the REL and that seemed like the perfect subs for me, the HT 1003 or 1205. I'm glad I found RSL, I'm heavier into music than home theater, the price is icing on the cake. Can't wait to see them back in stock. Also very curious how will it pair with Klipsch's The Fives, juicy.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not heard the Fives so I couldn't really say. But I'm guessing it'll be great!

[@luisnarvaez4762]

Ok first of all I want to let you know that you are one of the most articulate, knowledgeable sub woofer reviewers I’ve ever heard of or seen,keep up the great work brother! So here is my question, I do have an RSL Speedwoofer 10s. I also have 2 Velodynes spl 1000 in immaculate condition a little while ago I did a little test at more than reference levels on both Velodynes and they still impressed me, then I turned them off and decided to test the RSL Speedwoofer…. And to be honest I think the RSL Speedwoofer almost kept up with 2 Velodynes spl 1000, like I said these are in immaculate condition. Do you think 2 RSL Speedwoofers would tell me about to forget about the ol skool spl 1000’s? By the way I’m talking about 15 years old subs, but if you know about subwoofers, these little things were the shiet back then. Will definitely appreciate your honest response.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hey Luis, so the SPL range from Velodyne was good for the time, tons of output in a small package but they were very monotone. Changing the freq knob almost has no impact on the overall sound. The subs tend to make the same sounding bass just at different volumes. Personally I'd buy another speedwoofer and sell the old Velodynes.

[@anthonyalvarado1635]

Good review bro. I was contemplating on upgrading from the old.model.to this one .

[@NemoPropaganda]

mmmm, I wouldn't do that, while this is an upgrade it may not feel like a big enough upgrade for you.

[@anthonyalvarado1635]

I appreciate the honesty brother . Keep up the great work on the channel 👏

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@anthonyalvarado1635 anytime man, the next upgrade from the Speedwoofer is the Rythmik L12 in terms of sound quality.

[@kyleturner7627]

Between rhythmik l12, speedwoofer 10s or rel t7x...music only with wharfedalr libtons. Thoughts?

[@NemoPropaganda]

the FAQ section of my free discord has all your answers: discord.gg/nemopropaganda

[@isolar8001]

Just like Nemo says and I have stated on AVS forums, this new model has that extra little "throb" that the original didnt. Pretty impressive given the fact that they only charge around 20 bucks more now for more power and lower extension.

[@dho11]

Speedwoofer 10mkii or Rythmik L12? Which way would you go? Small room, to be paired with Polk R200.

[@NemoPropaganda]

if you have the extra budget for sure the L12 all day long!

[@tycheesey]

Another home run review, and home run from RSL! I love that value is winning and driving the industry! The Mk1 is still the easiest integration I've ever dealt with. Sounds like the Mk2 is even better.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Thank you bro!

[@kristofvadnai]

I thank you very much for bringing attention to these. I just ordered one within minutes of them being purchasable again. Gonna ship to Germany for $86 and a friend will bring it to my country. I dont usually buy audio new, because I'm trying to get best value, but this Sub is pretty much too good to be true.

[@NemoPropaganda]

man $86 is a great shipping price too!! good choice brother, enjoy!!

[@edwarddiogu6377]

Hello from Nigeria again. You're the best. You endorse it, I'm buying it.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@navkang7606]

speedwoofer or open boxed svs pb1000pro for same price, which one would u recommend?

[@NemoPropaganda]

PB1000 pro is a good bit larger and should take the edge in terms of output and extension for theater. If it's for a theater only I'd lean pb1000, mixed use or music only RSL for sure.

[@navkang7606]

@@NemoPropaganda thankyou. ive just made purchase on a pristine pb13 ultra for same price as brand new pb1000 pro. delivery in 2 days, hopefully ive made right decision. looking on utube could only find 1 review, any thoughts?

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@navkang7606 I never heard the old PB13 Ultra but Jay's friend Thujan had one and when I talked to him about it he said it had incredible output!!!

[@navkang7606]

@@NemoPropaganda your a star. keep up the good work.

[@kirkaparty4143]

Great Review,. Against SVS 1000 or 2000?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I love the SB1000 Pro, it has a lot of features and it's great if that's what matters to you. It is also much smaller than the RSL so while both are great subs the RSL will have more output overall.

[@jessjaramillo1354]

How about against SB2000 Pro?

[@820SHAY]

HI great review as always do you think this sub will be good for ls50 meta ,only for 2 Chanel music ? or sealed box is better choice ?

[@NemoPropaganda]

At this price nothing is better. There is better bass quality available but you'd have to spend more like the Rythmik L12. REL 1003 MK2 is also a very nice option if you want something more compact.

[@820SHAY]

@@NemoPropaganda thanks you 🔥 Last question what about polk audio hts 10 only for music...

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@820SHAY thats really a theater only sub in my opinion.

[@keithridley4478]

Love ur vids. 1 t9x or 2 rsl speedwoofer 10's for 2 channel use?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'd easily rather have 1 T9X though the pair of speedwoofers is capable of a lot more output and extension.

[@erics.4113]

I'm not sub shopping but am searching for a preamp. Can't wait to hear your comparison of that denafrips sitting on top there compared to the kinki pre

[@NemoPropaganda]

The denafrips review is a bit far away but it will be done :)

[@luisnarvaez4762]

As of right now, test driving this sucker! Nemo you were right on! This thing is serious! No way you can go wrong with duals. I have the outgoing model as well…but I’m just testing the mkII,… bro! Even if they charge you $700.00 this thing is worth it! I’m loving it!

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'd expect a nicer finish at $700 but I hear ya :)

[@cdhankerson7586]

GreatVid. What about the SVS in this price range?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I love the SB1000 Pro, it has a lot of features and it's great if that's what matters to you. It is also much smaller than the RSL so while both are great subs the RSL will have more output overall.

[@CharlesPreston-w6z]

I have a small 13x13 room for dedicated for music only. Would pick 2 rsl 10mk2 or 2 svs sb3000

[@NemoPropaganda]

music only? Keep in mind all subwoofers have a sweet spot, if you have them turned down too low because the room is too small for them it's like driving a sports car at 5mph. Theater doesn't have this problem because their dynamic swings are much more extreme. With that said I would not run dual SB3000 in that room, those subs sounds best at louder volumes. Vented subs on the other hand tend to have a wider sweet spot and are happier at a wider range of volumes so the RSL 10s would get my vote however if you have dual SB3000 money why not get a pair of Rythmik FM8 or REL T7X or on the cheaper side REL 1003 MK2? Personally I'd want a pair of smaller subs in that room since positioning will be so important.

[@jaredstokes2204]

Appreciate your reviews dawg Thoughts on MKii vs a SB 2000 non pro version for $500? The SVS Subs got 500 watts.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not heard the non-pro SB2000.

[@gtifury310]

Just picked up my 10S MkII today! Got it barely used for $300. Receiver comes in Wednesday and I can't fucking wait.

[@NemoPropaganda]

congrats! that's a great deal!!

[@mattestrada4548]

Nice video. I have the older model SpeedWoofer and I am happy with it. How do these compare to the SVS Micro 3000?

[@NemoPropaganda]

Micro 3000 is about having big bass in a small package, if you have a space limitation or just want a really small sub then go for Micro 3000, otherwise a bigger sub like the RSL or even SVS's own SB1000 will have more output.

[@iiiEazyiii]

Hmm wondering if these would pair well plug and play into my SVS Prime Pro.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'm sure it would!

[@MOAB-UT]

Does it us CLASS D Power?

[@NemoPropaganda]

yes.

[@themastroiannis]

Great review I had missed watching! Got me intrigued and I have a question for you: I replaced a B&W ASW608 sub with a REL T5x. difference is huge and I love the integration of the REL to my system, the speed and texture the bass has! All awesome, but I have a serious issue with the REL. The transformer is noisy and I am able to hear it even 9ft away!! Drives me nuts! hearing that very faint "humm" in my bedroom convinced me I need to get rid of it! By the way, REL changed the transformer for a new one but I still can hear the "humm". Do you think this RSL would be a good option? or does the Rythmik L12 would be a noticeable improvement? or any other suggestion under $800? It would be used exclusively for music in a bedroom setting. Definitely more interested in quality of the bass than quantity. The speakers are a pair of KEF LS50 meta and the amp is a cambridge CXA81. As always, THANKS!

[@NemoPropaganda]

No this RSL would not be a good option, while its very good and capable of a lot more bass output and extension than the t5x the sound quality difference is too far away from the T5X. Hmm, that's unfortunate that you're experiencing transformer hum, if the plate amp has been replaced and its still doing it theres a good chance its something in the home electricity or your sound system. Your high level cable isn't all coiled up is it? Have you tried swapping to low level to see if that makes any difference or disconnecting signal all together? If you disconnect all signal and it still does it then try a different power outlet, try a different room, try using a power strip, etc... this will help isolate what the problem actually is. Anyhow I digress. The L12 will be on par in terms of sound quality and is a very reasonable alternative that will offer up tremendously more extension.

[@themastroiannis]

@@NemoPropaganda Hey thanks so much for your prompt response! a-p-p-r-e-c-i-a-t-e it!! tried absolutely everything as I love the T5x! different outlets, different rooms, power strip, have been in touch with REL customer support (great customer support by the way) and they changed the transformer but informed me the REL T models do have a tiny bit of noise coming from the transformers. For me, it's unacceptable... it's just too loud. should be dead silent. will check the L12 as I've really given up on the Rel.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@themastroiannis that's a bummer but I understand, mine hums ever so slightly but I can only hear it when I'm up against the subwoofer making adjustments to it and my ear is like 1ft away but I also have a fairly well damped room. The L12 is the cheapest sub that has similar SQ, I think you'll like it a lot.

[@Serafiniert]

I've ordered a 10S MK2, but the shipping would be about $100. If I calculate the VAT on top of that, which I have to pay for importing it, I'd be at around $630. At that price point, would I be better advised to get a $600-650 sub that is locally available? If so, are there any that you'd recommend? I've tested the SVS SB-1000 and PB-1000. The while the SB I don't like soundwise, the PB are just too large.

[@NemoPropaganda]

it's hard to say, I don't know what's locally available to you but if you didn't like SB1000 Pro I'm not sure you will like the Speedwoofer either. You may want to consider something drastically different like a REL T5X.

[@pedroluisguillemain5683]

Great video. Thanks! How it stands again the Rythmik L12 sub for SQ in music? I know the L12 is more expensive, but not much.

[@NemoPropaganda]

L12 has a lot better sound quality overall.

[@curtmurray6085]

Great video! I have a question how would this pair up with my Klipsch RP600M? I'm concerned the 400w would over power them.

[@NemoPropaganda]

it doesn't really work that way. Your speakers don't know how many watts your subwoofer has, you'll be fine.

[@ytj22]

Thanks for a great review. You mentioned Emotiva se8 but you've also spent a lot of time with the se12, can you offer a comparison between se12 and 10smkii? And the important question, two se12 or one 10smkii?.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I love Emotiva and the SE12 is good option for anyone who doesn't want to wait for an RSL to be back in stock but if both are in stock the RSL is the better option. Its bass is stronger & cleaner sounding overall.

[@ytj22]

@@NemoPropaganda ok great, thanks!

[@howardmims8376]

How about SVS SB 1000 pro how would you say they can pair

[@howardmims8376]

If you're going to use a single subwoofer

[@jameskozlowski5496]

@@howardmims8376 so 2 speedwoofer or 1 SVS 100 pro?

[@howardmims8376]

Just a single subwoofer

[@NemoPropaganda]

I love the SB1000 Pro, it has a lot of features and it's great if that's what matters to you. It is also much smaller than the RSL so while both are great subs the RSL will have more output overall.

[@mantaproject]

Thanks for your review! I'm looking for a good sub for music, how do these compare to the REL TX series or from which price point do you think you can get a better sounding sub? (for music)

[@NemoPropaganda]

Speedwoofer has more output and extension than any of the T/X subs but all the T/X subs have better bass fidelity overall by a fair amount. As far as the next logical upgrade from the RSL it would easily be the Rythmik L12 which brings more bass fidelity to the table.

[@mantaproject]

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you for this information, unfortunately because I live in Belgium it is difficult to obtain Rythmik subwoofers. I find the DIY kits from Rythmik particularly interesting though. (also big thanks for your KZbin content)

[@luisnarvaez4762]

Hey Nemo! I was finally able to order one today, last time I tried they were all gone… anyways I’m very excited. The question is “Will I have any issues pairing the new 10smk2 with the outgoing model? Btw, my Velodynes spl 10s are going to a nice shock proof box. Lol . Any answer will be greatly appreciated.

[@NemoPropaganda]

mmm, hard to say bro as I did not have both MK1 and MK2 at the same time, you might need slightly different phase settings but you might not. Setting up dual subs is highly room dependant.

[@knobbshots]

Excellent tip, thank you! Didn’t even know these existed. Nemo for the win!

[@NemoPropaganda]

thanks Carl.

[@timculler1454]

Nice review. Given the size isn’t that much larger than Kef 62 and price 8s much lower, is there any reason not to buy this vs the kef? Thanks

[@NemoPropaganda]

tons of reasons, maybe you want a tiny sub, maybe the money is inconsequential to you, the KC62 extends lower but only at lower volumes. Or maybe like me you plan to put it on top of a media console. The RSL would look rather funny atop a media console :).

[@ryanfoster8769]

I don't see much comparison to Klipsch ref 12" but are about same price and with a larger cone. Thoughts??

[@NemoPropaganda]

most of the under $500 subs are fine values when they go on sale, great for entry level home theater or in regions where RSL is not available but the RSL brings a level of sound quality to the under $500 category that most subs are missing.

[@t0nyxgq]

Thanks Nemo for another great review. How does it compare to the REL HT 1003? Both 10" and seems great for HT. The REL is only $100 more MSRP on sale right now @ $549. If it was your money, which would you buy if you can only choose 1?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not heard the 1003, only the 1205. Vs the 1205 the ported RSL has a more pronounced bottom end and should have more output overall, that's no surprise as a ported 10" generally can outperform a sealed 12" all things being equal. The RSL is the easy choice if output & extension are primary concerns (theater) on the music side of things the the lighter weight moving mass and fast filter set of the 1205 will make it an easy recommendation as it can blend in with damn near anything and integrate amazingly well.

[@MH-gy6qv]

What are your thoughts vs the monolith m-10 v2?

[@NemoPropaganda]

if you want the biggest subwoofer for your money monolith will give you that, but I tend to focus on bass fidelity and sound quality so I prefer other things. At the M10 price I prefer the Rythmik LV12m, at the M12 price I prefer the RSL 12S. For anything monoprice sells thats bigger than the M12 I'd rather have Powersound Audio or one of the larger Rythmiks.

[@MH-gy6qv]

FYI. As of 11/22/24, the Monolith M-10 V2 is on an Amazon Black Friday deal for $360 shipped. After $100 gift card and return credits, I got the sub for $225.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@MH-gy6qv yes there are many holiday sales during the holidays.

[@59seank]

Nemo, did you have a chance to try the wireless connection?

[@NemoPropaganda]

No I didn't, but I'm sure it works just fine if wireless is your only option.

[@ryanw8664]

So happy you reviewed this, Nemo! I've had mine about a month so far. It's almost too much output for my tiny apartment. We talked previously about the R100 vs. R200 and you recommended the 200. Well, I threw caution (and wallet) to the wind and ordered R700s that arrive in 2 weeks. I read the R700s come close to full range, so I'm curious to see if I feel the need to keep the Speedwoofer after some A/B testing. P.S. I almost went with the SVS SB-1000 Pro over the MKII, as it seemed to be the common recommendation for a mid-tier sub, although they recently bumped the price to $600. How do you feel the MKII compares to the SVS, Nemo? Thanks for the honest and straightforward review.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I love the SB1000 Pro, it has a lot of features and it's great if that's what matters to you. It is also much smaller than the RSL so while both are great subs the RSL will have more output overall.

[@rong.5004]

I really love your reviews, and they have really helped me narrow down my choices for a HT/Music sub. I mostly use my current sub for movies 60% with about 40% for music. I'm in a fairly small room, approx 10' x 15' with sloped ceilings on front and back wall. I prefer articulate bass but I do like to "feel" .1 soundtrack of movies. Between the RSL Speedwoofer 10S MK2 and the REL HT/1205 (v. 1), is there one you would recommend over the other?

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hi Ron, thank you for the kind words, what sub are you using now?

[@rong.5004]

@@NemoPropaganda A crappy BIC F12 that was purchased a few years ago. Truly terrible!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@rong.5004 oh god, yeah okay so its like this: Speedwoofer is not the final word in bass fidelity but perfectly serviceable at its price point and offers up serious output/extension for the money. The old 1205 V1 is gonna give you better sound quality overall but can't match the speedwoofers output. Since you're mostly on the theater side of things I'd lean towards the RSL because it's sound quality is good for the money and its output is great for the money. If you want the best of both worlds you'll have to dig a little deeper into the pockets and go for something like the Rythmik LV12M which is going to be larger than the speedwoofer and +$280 more. If you can swing it buy once cry once. You won't regret it. If the RSL is at the top of your budget though it's literally the best sub under $500 and can't go wrong.

[@rong.5004]

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you so much. I'm gonna save a while longer and go for the Rythmik LV12M. I really appreciate your help here. It makes a difference when you have a trusted reviewers opinion to give some guidance.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@rong.5004 anytime bro, the mod in my discord has a pair of lv12m and posted a review if you want to check it out its a free server: discord.gg/nemopropaganda

[@BigGeorge3397]

Have you tested the Dayton 18” Ultimax? If you haven’t, could you?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I don’t really do DIY but I respect it a lot.

[@BigGeorge3397]

I was hoping for just sh*ts and giggles. I know you have enough wattage to push them. Perhaps in the future…

[@kl9941]

What are your thoughts about these RSL Mk II's compared to the SVS Micro or a REL t5x to pair with planar speakers?

[@NemoPropaganda]

The RSL is much larger than those subwoofers, I wouldn't bring them up in the same conversation. If you need extremely fast bass you want to look at REL, Rythmik, or JL Audio.

[@darkknight7011]

Nemo....Is this subwoofer good enough to pair with Magnepans or, would you go with a B&W ASW608??????

[@NemoPropaganda]

none of the above, I'd go for something from REL or Rythmik, or if you like a heavier presentation JL Audio.

[@modestymaccie1223]

What happend to the ASW608 that you really liked, isn't it a good candidate at this price point?

[@NemoPropaganda]

That review is pretty old, I have updated the pinned comment but I'll paste it for you here: This review is fairly old now as is this specific model and things change. I feel this (ASW608) subwoofer is overpriced in todays market (in the USA) If you like what I said about this subwoofer here are 3 alternative options that are way better, around the same price, and all the popular sizes: Rythmik L12 (12"), REL HT1003 MK2 (10") or REL T5X (8"). Naturally the 8" REL T5X is the most similar to the ASW608 so if the size was important for you that's what you want to get. The main difference is the T5x has a little less extension at lower volumes but much better fidelity overall. The 1003MK2 and L12 are better than the ASW608 in every way.

[@modestymaccie1223]

Great, thanks for the insight

[@beerad5036]

Would this sub be good for small parties and djing with?

[@NemoPropaganda]

as long as its indoors yes, you'll want to keep the x-over on the higher side like aroud 70hz and cut anything below 30hz if possible. Producing bass outdoors is an entirely different game and this will not work for outdoors as you'll need a subwoofer that is larger and tuned at a higher frequency.

[@beerad5036]

@@NemoPropaganda thank you. What tops would you use for a hifi club like experience for my music studio / dj space? Won’t be crazy on the gains but want clear and loud to compliment some good low end.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@beerad5036 I couldn't say my man, pro audio is a whole different category I don't have much experience in.

[@marcmccord5085]

I have a SW MkII and I really like it. Very musical. Thinking about adding a second one. My question is… how do you feel about a sub behind a large chair at right angles in a corner? Since it is non-directional would it make a difference, other than needing to increase the gain? Great review, BTW.

[@NemoPropaganda]

A few guys in my discord have their dual subs setup like that, I've never done it but feel free to hop in there and ask, link is in the description of most of my vids.

[@cpin1992]

I have a Klipsch R-112SW. Really like it but before buying it, I really liked the speedwoofer. They were just sold out. Until now (ordering window coming up). Now I’m debating whether or not I should order a speedwoofer and send the Klipsch back. The speedwoofer beats it on specs for only $50 more but is a smaller driver. What are your thoughts? Thanks!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Not sure, I have not listened to the Klipsch R112.

[@cpin1992]

@@NemoPropaganda it’s basically the older version of the Klipsch SPL-120

[@lucasharr17]

How would you compare this to a SB-1000 pro?

[@rolig3518]

The previous version was better than the SB-1000 pro. Had them both. But it will depend on your room.

[@jameskozlowski5496]

@@rolig3518 previous version of what? the svs 1000 or the RLS speedwoofer?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I love the SB1000 Pro, it has a lot of features and it's great if that's what matters to you. It is also much smaller than the RSL so while both are great subs the RSL will have more output overall.

[@michaelwshires]

How about the Monoprice THX 10? The monoprice is $150 more so about the same price. Thanks for a great review!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Sorry I have not heard monoprice. Next upgrade from here would be Rythmik L12.

[@Romad1981]

Hi, what sub woofer do u recommend for computer set up?

[@NemoPropaganda]

depends on the rest of the setup and how much space you have and what your budget is but a good simple recommendation is the Emotiva SE8, REL T5X, SVS Micro, or KEF KC62.

[@Romad1981]

@@NemoPropaganda Hi, thanks for response was looking for compact under $400.

[@greyshadow7786]

​@@Romad1981 the svs micro 3000 would be my first choice then after would be the rel t5x

[@larryhilliard7440]

I'm a Real fan, but I loved your review. Would you go with REL T9 vs RSV 12" bass system for large bedroom. 80%TV and 20% for music. Klipsch Chorus speakers and Yamaha 450

[@NemoPropaganda]

RSL 12s is roughly 5x the size of the T9x, if you don't mind a sub that big for a bedroom I say go for it.

[@davidward1641]

Thanks for the review. Currently shopping subs after my (really) old Mirage, Tannoy, and Definitive subs finally wore themselves out. Would there be any merit to running 2 Speedwoofers (1 each for L and R channels) and a Rythmik L12 for a dedicated LFE sub? My mains are Tannoy Eyris towers with matching center and ss. Processor is a Marantz SR5012 that powers the 2 ss channels and I have an Aragon 8008x3 amplifier for the LCR. Thank you.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I strongly recommend you bite the bullet and just buy a pair of L12 and add a third one if you feel you need it. The RSL is absolutely amazing for its price and the L12 is worth every penny more that it costs.

[@davidward1641]

Thank you. I appreciate the insight and advice. To clarify, I was considering using the 2 RSL subs for dedicated L and R channel bass via the speaker inputs (primarily for music), and the L12 for dedicated LFE duties. So the RSLs would never get the LFE signals and the L12 would operate only on the LFE signal, so likely only be involved for home theater. Your suggestion is to get 2 of the Rythmiks, use the subwoofer outs on my Marantz, and let the crossover on my receiver dictate what signals go where?

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@davidward1641 yes, the L12 has better sound quality versus the RSL so the dual L12 would be better for both movies and music.

[@davidward1641]

Great, thank you again.

[@mattshaver3658]

Would you pick this over Polk Hts-10? Thx

[@NemoPropaganda]

For sure this. Polk HTS-10 is not even on the same level.

[@Pentenfi]

I wonder what the actual port tuning of the Speedwoofer is. Sid you notice any chuffing when driven hard? I want to DIY a 10" and use the Speedwoofer as a reference point

[@NemoPropaganda]

I didn't hear any chuffing, my guess is 25hz but I really am just guessing.

[@erikesselman]

What did you have the gain on the woofer set to? Any problem with chuffing when gain was turned up.?

[@NemoPropaganda]

what my gain is set to is only relavent to my systems voltage it's RCA outputs, it will not be helpful to you unless you're using the same pre-amp and have the exact same shaped room. I did not hear any chuffing.

[@greyshadow7786]

Will the rythmik L12 be worth getting over this for $179 more or should I just get the speedwoofer?

[@NemoPropaganda]

L12 is for sure worth it.

[@mikedinno8413]

Would you say the Rythmik L12 is a better value and better sub??

[@NemoPropaganda]

L12 is a better sub for sure but it costs 50% more so this is no surprise. As far as value that's a very personal concept. What is value to you may not be value to me. If someone cannot afford or does not wish to spend more than $500 on a subwoofer then Speedwoofer is the best value. If someone is comfortable spending up to $700 then L12 is the better value, and so on.

[@awwboo88]

This this SQ or SPL? I was watch a vid on the rel t9x and u defined the difference the best but didn't hear which this was on the vid

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hi Awwboo, usually affordable subs like this don't fall into either category as it takes a bigger budget to make either SPL or SQ subs. Essentially the Speedwoofer is simply a great subwoofer and the best you can buy at this price.

[@awwboo88]

@@NemoPropaganda awesome! thanks for the reply

[@rosebudd007]

2 of these or 1 Rythmik LV12M? Mixed use. 20x25 foot family room. Thanks!

[@NemoPropaganda]

The 10s is insanely good and the LV12m is a notable step up from the 10s, only you can decide the value proposition since value is highly personal. But if you can afford the $900/pair for dual 10s I think you can afford $1200/pair for the dual LV12m. Both are great options for the money and you can always start with 1 and add the second one a couple months down the line.

[@rosebudd007]

@@NemoPropaganda thanks for the quick reply. I was thinking a pair of LV12Ms the whole time. But wanted to hear what you thought about the 2 rsls in comparison to the one rythmik. Thanks again. Keep the content coming brother. 👍🏽

[@rosebudd007]

@@NemoPropaganda should I even consider a pair a Rythmik L12s? Or just stick with the LV12M?

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@rosebudd007 If you want something smaller the L12 is smaller, keep in mind smaller subs do not sound like bigger subs.

[@rosebudd007]

@@NemoPropaganda I want best sound and value. Space wise I can do either.

[@BrokeGuyBBQ]

What's your thoughts on the rsl mkii vs the svs pb1000 non pro version that's $400 in the outlet?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not heard the old pb1000 but I believe it uses a larger cabinet so I'd expect it to have a little thicker of a bottom end perhaps at a slight trade off for transient response but I'm really just guessing here.

[@BrokeGuyBBQ]

@Nemo Propaganda Ok no worries thank you forthequickresponse. Love your channel and content. Keep it going!

[@mousec3775]

I bought a 10s MII last week and was wondering if anyone could advise me about how long a wait for shiping I might anticipate. Thanks for any input.

[@NemoPropaganda]

this is more a question for the discord

[@mousec3775]

@@NemoPropaganda You're right, sorry. I've since learned the answer I sought.

[@charlesking678]

I know it's not an apples to apples comparison, but would you take the sb2000 pro or rsl speedwoofer? I'm about 70/30 music and home theater.

[@NemoPropaganda]

In a mixed system the cell phone app of the SVS would make it really easy to switch between music/movie settings so it always sounds its best and thats a huge plus but then again you can also have a pair of Speedwoofers for that price so its a tough call. Personally I'd grab a Rythmik F12-400 if I was shopping that price range.

[@jameskozlowski5496]

2 RSL speedwoofer mk2 or 2 rythmic L12? Interesting with a Klipsch cinema 1200.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I’d rather have dual L12 if the budget allows. L12 is the first major upgrade from the speedwoofer.

[@thatprimalmanthejfmfiresmo9230]

I have a 12x15 room. Debating hard between dual RSL 10s mkii or dual SVS SB 1000 pro. My listening is music/ht/gaming. Room is not open so would the ported rsl or sealed svs fit the bill better? I love having clean bass for music as I listen to many genres but also love a sub to creep up suddenly and punch me hard. Seems like both would work but what do you think would edge out over the other?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I love the SB1000 Pro and it is in fact my favorite SVS subwoofer, it has a ton more features by way of the cell phone app and is much smaller so it's great for anyone with a major space constraint. While both are great subs the RSL being larger will have more output overall and a more confident bottom end. SQ between the two is similar enough but the SVS takes the edge ever so slightly but the RSL should be able to fill a larger room and have a fuller sound. I suggest you choose based on physical dimensions, output capability, or features if you need them.

[@thatprimalmanthejfmfiresmo9230]

@@NemoPropaganda I usually run subs at about 50% output if I have two of them. So in That instance would the bottom end be pretty similar for the two? Most of my listening is not reference volume.

[@NemoPropaganda]

​@@thatprimalmanthejfmfiresmo9230 no, since its vented the rsl will have a fuller sound at the lower freq regardless of volume.

[@thatprimalmanthejfmfiresmo9230]

@@NemoPropaganda that is exactly what I needed to know. Thank you so much for your replies to a question that you answer constantly about these subs.

[@w7mjr]

Another great review. Thank you! I have a question for you on the MKII (I apologize if you already addressed this-I didn't see it). The MKII seems to have a new LFE DSP mode. When you set the crossover to LFE (knob switched ccw), the DSP increases low range gain and extends bass. With LFE switched off, the MKII is supposed to behave more like its predecessor in so-called "music mode." And if you low pass from your preamp, you just max the cutoff frequency on the sub. for "music mode," i.e. LFE switch off on sub. My question is did you compare these two modes at all? And would the "LFE mode" only be appropriate for HT? I'm mostly interested in stereo music listening and 2.1ch TV watching. I have an Emotiva USP-1 preamp and was thinking of using its bass management to blend Arendall 1961 bookshelf speakers with the Speedwoofer, since MKII is just within my budget (if I can get my hands on one!). Then I start thinking to myself, maybe I should wait and save up for a Rythmik L12. Cheers!

[@NemoPropaganda]

my preamp doesn't have any bass management so if I set any sub to LFE it just plays full range so I I was not able to test that. I do also use my system like you for music and 2.1 TV. With the arendal 1961 you will need to blend high and the L12 has a much better midbass region than the 10s so I do suggest saving a few more shillings and going for the L12 instead.

[@w7mjr]

@@NemoPropaganda Makes sense. I was thinking a sealed servo is going to do better with these little speakers. Should be a sweet mashup though. Thanks, man!

[@B.A.Bassangler]

Close to pulling the trigger. If I can squeeze-in an RSL-SW10 I will, else I know I have room for 2 SE-8's...either way thanks to your reviews I'm sure I'll be happy either way...on to my "specific question" as asked...I seem to remember reading on RSL's site, recommendation for placement from the wall for port clearance, but can't find it now. Do you have any idea what it is, or am I dreaming?, because I can't find any mention on their site?

[@racerex100]

4 to 5 inches from wall…

[@NemoPropaganda]

1 Speedwoofer will outperform dual SE8's easily.

[@dBtje1980]

Can you tell me how it is compared to the SVS SB-1000 pro? Thanks

[@NemoPropaganda]

plz check pinned comment.

[@justlisten1]

sorry if this was discussed already. Which one? 10s or REL HT1205 or Rythmik L12? Much appreciated

[@NemoPropaganda]

that's a bit more of an in depth question and I can't answer that without knowing your goals so this would require a lot of back and fourth which is why this channel has a free discord, I'd hop in there so we can help you get the right sub. Link is in the description.

[@Dracayala]

Is there a 12" version ?

[@ryanw8664]

No

[@SonicBroham]

found one of these new in box on craigslist for $300. coming from a Dayton 800 I got for $80, oh my god. what a great upgrade

[@NemoPropaganda]

wooo, that's a massive upgrade!

[@wezzman1]

Been waiting for this one, my only query is why they put the port on the back?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I didn't ask them but I'm sure RSL will be happy to answer the question if you email them :)

[@devanhubartt9956]

How would you compare this to the rythmik l12 and which is best for mostly music? It's for a smaller room and I'm looking for more sound quality.

[@NemoPropaganda]

The L12 is the next step up. If you can afford it for sure get the L12 instead.

[@jfmcreations7657]

I’m running dual sunfire 10” true subs and love them but the amps are failing. Price to repair is nearly the speedwoofer price. Don’t know if you’ve heard those old true subs or not but if so, would it be more worth it to repair the sunfires or go dual speedwoofers. Any advice is appreciated.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not, those are pretty old and long discontinued. I would just say keep in mind depending on how the driver was made the suspension might be worn out or at the tail end of its life, the adhesives that hold the surround to the basket could start to fail, and I doubt a recone kit is available. Is it worth putting money into them? Depends how much you like them. IIRC those true subs were around $1k each in their time so I'm not sure if a sub in todays money that's half the price is as good, maybe it is, I'm just not sure. Maybe try emailing the guys at RSL, they're old school, maybe someone on their team has some experience with the true sub, it's worth a shot :)

[@jfmcreations7657]

@@NemoPropaganda thank you!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@jfmcreations7657 np! if you need more help hop in my free discord, tons of guys in there are happy to help you go in the right direction.

[@jfmcreations7657]

Done the research and spoke to Joe at RSL via email. Going with dual speedwoofer 10s mkII’s. I feel going dual setup on these will really add a lot as I do music, movies, and video games. My mains are Polk RTiA7’s which I love and I think the RSL’s will really add to them in a great way. Presale went live today and they already sold out. Gotta wait for the next round.

[@samuelmcdonald-fleming8907]

How does this compare to the emotiva airmotiv xs10 which is 50 dollars less i plan to go with a 2 subwoofer setup 70 percent music 30 movies

[@NemoPropaganda]

not sure, havn't heard that one.

[@Quietprofessional1]

Would you take this over the Klipsch R-12SW? Thanks

[@NemoPropaganda]

absolutely yes.

[@Quietprofessional1]

@@NemoPropaganda okay what about this subwoofer vs two of the Klipsch 12-in subwoofers?

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Quietprofessional1 I've never heard klipsch subwoofers.

[@kevinusta7534]

I got mine connected wirelessly, very convenient when trying to integrate. Still working on getting it seamless. Small room 10x12. Considering getting another just to save me the headache. Only problem I'm having is that the sub doesn't shut off when using wirelessly.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'd email RSL about that and see what they say.

[@isolar8001]

That shouldn't happen....what's your source unit ? All 3 of mine shut down after around 15 minutes of inactivity.

[@kevinusta7534]

It's connected to my Earmen Tradutto DAC.

[@isolar8001]

@@kevinusta7534 If you have a multimeter, check the output jacks for voltage after the unit has been shut off for say, 15 to 30 minutes.

[@kevinusta7534]

So I finally got around to reaching out to RSL. Apparently this is normal.. Per RSL. Since it's a class D amp, the power consumption is nominal. The amp stays warm, so I prefer to keep it off.

[@michaelcampbell9459]

For 2 ch music mainly rig (80% music/20% HT) and with current sale REL HT1205 v1 is same price of $450, would you get two REL 1205 or two RSL 10s MKII? Or pay a bit more and get two Rythmik L12? Thanks

[@NemoPropaganda]

the 1205 V1 is better for music than the RSL, between the 1205 V1 and the L12 the L12 is better, only you can decide if the L12 is wroth more money vs the savings the of the 1205 V1.

[@craigblackwood2165]

Nice review sir. I am surprised you didn't mention the BIC AMERICA F12. At $300 it does really well. I hope you can get 1 in for review.

[@NemoPropaganda]

The BIC F12 only has 150 watts rms and doesn't list a proper extension spec, it cannot compete with the RSL Speedwoofer 10s MKII.

[@Lou-li3lb]

looks like the Bic marketing department is active in these comments

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Lou-li3lb god I hope not, that would be so shady!

[@Lou-li3lb]

@@NemoPropaganda 😂