Best Large Subwoofer under $1000! RSL Speedwoofer 12s Review!

[@joentell]

Just wanted to say thank you again for connecting me up with the guys at RSL! I finally got around to reviewing this 12s, and made sure to link to your channel. Thanks again bro! 👊😎

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hey what's up Joe! I just saw the vid last night, great work as usual!

[@VisionCarrierDreamCatcher]

I'm all over the other end of the globe. Initially ordered the 10s but I'm getting the 12s. BTW the work you do is priceless for someone shopping for gear without an opportunity to demo. Keep going forward, you and others like you provide a very valuable service to a global audience. You have no idea.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hi Robert, I'm happy you find it helpful :)

[@ryanr6240]

Did you ever get the 12? How do you like the size it seems way bigger than the 10.

[@Idiotsincarshere]

Also interested how you like the 12s. After failing to get in on the pre order for the 10S, 2 months in a row, I decided on the 12S. It's in transit now. Adding it to my Klipsche RP 8000F towers. Can't wait !!

[@VisionCarrierDreamCatcher]

@@Idiotsincarshere I love it. The size was intimidating at first. BUT the size of the sound is huge. For the first time, I understood what reviewers meant about adding a subwoofer to a system. This subwoofer is a winner, it will improve your sound system. Watch out your house will groan and rattle .......😅

[@samscharp3367]

Pretty smart business plan. I bet RSL is watching SVS price themselves out of the market and are ready to swoop in.

[@healthynutster]

These appear to be disruptive products. Selling direct and manufactured by engineers who know what they’re doing makes the value proposition here off the charts. These are allowing average people a big taste of high end bass response for a bargain price: bravo RSL!

[@isolar8001]

They are disruptive products....if getting the best you can get for the money with the best customer service ever, hell yeah...they damn disruptive !! My living room looks like RSL Wonderland.

[@wezzman1]

​@@isolar8001 if the import charges to the UK wasn't soo damn high I would have got 2 of the little brothers.

[@mrmomo305]

I sincerely appreciate this review. I was getting back into the subwoofer game and noticed that a bunch of non-mainstream names were breaking through. This particular review made it a no brainer for me.

[@NemoPropaganda]

yes sir, it can be overwhelming but this badboy is 100% the best large sub under $1k, even if someones budget is higher they should really consider this badboy as long as the physical dimensions are not an issue.

[@edmundgil6008]

Amazing that this huge sub has such great SQ in all areas. And really affordable! But damn… so big! Thanks for such a thorough and really excellent review bro! 🔥🎶♥️🎵💪🏽🙏🏽🎼‼️

[@Audiomainia2310]

This is why I truly love RSL - the value proposition shits all over the competition.

[@Quietprofessional1]

I have had mine for about 3 weeks and it's definitely the best sub I've ever had.

[@MattCoykendall1]

Great review! This thing reaches deep doesn't it, I honestly wasn't expecting the authority it had under 20hz.

[@NemoPropaganda]

yeah, the whole thing took me by surprise honestly.

[@mikedinno8413]

Just went on Discord for the comparisons. Love the work you do nd respect all of your observations. I was really curious with the Rhythmic comparison and got my answer. Love your style man. You're the Wes Watson of audio!! I love it!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@blue6point62]

Did you go Rythmik or RSL?

[@tycheesey]

I am so stoked for this. Hope I can land a pre-order slot. Nice review! :)

[@FPSkillerPC]

Would love to see a comparison to the Monolith 12 inch THX. I paid around $700 for mine on sale.

[@NemoPropaganda]

sounds like the previous version or perhaps a pre-covid world price, the new monolith 12" V2 is $1100, I have not seen it sell for much less either.

[@Smellslikegelfling]

@@NemoPropaganda Probably open box. The other day I saw a monolith 15 V2 for about $1000 open box if I remember accurately, and I saw them on sale for $1100 around December/January.

[@marcusmcmurray77]

@@NemoPropaganda V2 with painted finish is $1100. Regular vinyl finish retails for ~900 but often goes on sale for 800. It's slightly smaller in volume but weighs more

[@Stan_the_Belgian]

Would also like to see the comparison, monolith is crazy value too

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Stan_the_Belgian I have a rule to not cover subs in excess of 100lbs unless I’m personally extremely curious about it.

[@rjzlwop3153]

Spectacular. Thank you so much. My good man for a great review thoroughly enjoyed it now you got me wanting more.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Dalt1225]

Sold my single SB 16 Ultra and purchased 2 of these. Getting them next week. Looking forward to setting them up.

[@NemoPropaganda]

nice, can't wait to see how it turns out!

[@Dalt1225]

@@NemoPropaganda your review and Shane Lee's review were very helpful in my decision! Thanks!

[@Professor5180]

How do you like your dual 12s vs Sb-16 ultra?

[@Dalt1225]

@@Professor5180 I like it very much. The bass impact is incredible and more widely distributed imo. Very happy with the dual 12s's.

[@ThujanK]

Honestly this review got me considering selling my pair of SVS SB4000s for a pair of these. I love RSL as a company and you basically sold me LOL.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I've never heard sb4000's personally but I do have a guy in my discord who replaced them with JL E112 and is absolutely over the moon, naturally at the price of JL it's no surprise.

[@ThujanK]

@@NemoPropaganda regardless I love what you do man. You're the 🐐 when it comes to subwoofer reviews and someone I trust!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@ThujanK thank you for the kind words my man!

[@BeauKemp]

Put in a pre-order for a 12S after watching this. Stoked. Going from a 15 year old home theater in a box, slowly upgrading. Almost pulled the trigger on a PB-1000 Pro

[@NemoPropaganda]

oh man are you in for a treat!

[@darealestwon]

Nemo, this appears to be the most high quality sub for the least amount of money in the history of home audio. It goes down to 16 hz too, so you’re not missing out on the lowest octave like the speedwoofer. This has to be at the top of the list for sub upgrades for movies and music.

[@edwarddiogu6377]

I'm happy about this review, and thanks very much. I know there's a huge price difference but same 12 inch; but how does this compare with one of your best: the rythmik fvx12?

[@mdoh8209]

It’s the price point and rythmik would lose over that market so your comparing to a svs pb2k or a sb3000 maybe a second had pb3k . This is a good sub for the price and reviews so far

[@edwarddiogu6377]

​ You're right about the price point. I just want to know the sound quality comparison

[@NemoPropaganda]

the answer to that question is in the discord more comparisons link I put in the description.

[@robthegobbler]

I can’t wait to see how the lv12m compares and what rythmik (probably won’t) do to their subwoofers to compete. Sucks that they discontinued the lvx12 already.

[@danemoreno88]

It won’t it will excel in sound quality but that’s about it over the rsl the lv12m only goes to 19hz it’s a good sub though

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

Rythmik will always have speed and dynamics over any other brand except RSL, but at the same time RSL will never produce the bottom end Rythmik has. Plus at this price point, Fvx12 is way better than the 12s for a few hundred more.

[@davep.5662]

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 I just ordered a Fvx12

[@aegisofhonor]

absolutely insane value for what you are getting, I knew the 10S was great sub for $400, this is the step above when you needed just a little more base for a few hundred more. Hats of to RSL for making one of the best budget subwoofers on the market once again.

[@donsazon3608]

I want 4 of these!!!

[@NemoPropaganda]

do it!

[@jonlarose5082]

Great review as always! I'm in the market for something like this. I'm a big Rythmik fan as well. How does the RLS 12s compare to the Rythmik FVX12?

[@NemoPropaganda]

discord.com/channels/919111263148208209/1089813679907807262

[@patrickgeorge141]

I am late to leave a comment lol. I have two 12S and absolutely love them above the other subwoofers I have owned previously. RSL is a great company to deal with as well and love veterans, just ask and they will help you out!

[@SethJacobsMaine]

I have this being delivered today. I'm pretty excited.

[@NemoPropaganda]

excellent choice! If you're in the free discord feel free to post some pictures :)

[@AA-ws3vd]

How is it performing Seth? For HT and music?

[@ben23a31]

FML 😲 I've been waiting on RSL to drop the hammer with a 12" on the comp and it looks like they did ! Question tho, will one remote control a dual sub set up? You da man Nemo ✊🏼

[@NemoPropaganda]

mmm, I'm not sure, I suggest you contact RSL for clarification on that :)

[@everydayaudiophile]

​@@NemoPropaganda its an IR remote

[@Smellslikegelfling]

I hope they offer it in a white version like they do the 10S MKII. I've had an SVS PB1000 in my living room, and I've been looking for an upgrade for a long time. Everyone recommends 15" or bigger subs due to my open living area and vaulted ceilings. My problem is that I can't afford $2000 for a single sub, let alone two of them to fill my space. Hopefully dual RSL 12S can do the job, because I think I can justify two of them for $1600. RSL advertises the 12S as "The power of a 15, the speed of a 12, at the price of a 10 inch". Do you think this sub is a good compromise from the power of a 15 inch sub from the likes of Hsu research given the price?

[@NemoPropaganda]

maybe if they get enough requests :)

[@powerhitter033]

5:12 How would you compare this specifically to the 10s MKII? I mostly listen to metal, so a lot of fast double kicks. Was wondering which I should go with

[@powerhitter033]

You answered this later. Thank you.

[@tausha46]

GREAT REVIEW THANKS

[@isolar8001]

Fantastic review as always....This sub is The Game Changer......

[@Eron55555]

Well. Guess the PB 1000 pro I just got is goin up for sale.

[@NemoPropaganda]

pb1000 pro is no slouch my man but if you crave more than what it can offer and don't mind the larger cabinet you will get more :)

[@mdoh8209]

Wonder if svs will respond with a bigger sealed sub , they have have there sb4000 and sb16 line for a while now but like u said it’s the size

[@NemoPropaganda]

i dunno, SVS is in their own lane and sold all around the world. They have their own value and sound that many people will love.

[@tdvols]

Awesome review! You could make pouring a glass of milk in cereal exciting!

[@NemoPropaganda]

I somehow read that as pouring melted glass and thought that would actually be pretty cool!

[@Quietprofessional1]

I had the SVS PB 2000 pro and I returned it and this is much better.

[@william1252]

This brand could be the hot.option for the folks with the quad sub outs like Marantz and anthem.

[@johnfurious8419]

With the introduction of this sub and also Klipsch new line of subwoofers the line is blurring on who makes the best subwoofer at an affordable price. It's great for the consumer as manufactures are vying to gain market share in the Home Theater segment which is growing immensely!!! Thanks for the review.

[@NemoPropaganda]

like thomas & stereo says, there is no "best" as personal taste is always going to be a big factor in all of this.

[@kevinfinke6927]

Instead of awesome bang for the buck, we should probably say, incredible boom for the buck! You’ve convinced me, I want one!!

[@itzjustkris7964]

Hey Nemo have you heard of or used the Monoprice monolith M-12? It’s a similar price and I genuinely can’t seem to decide which would be better

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not heard the M12 but it appears to compete more with the PB2000 Pro or the new Klipsch RP1200-SW, both of which are fine subwoofers. The RSL however is so far, the largest vented 12" sub on the market currently (that I've seen atleast). If the size is not a concern I do not believe it has an equal at its price point. If the size is a little too big then consider the Rythmik FVX12, SVS PB2000 Pro or Klipsch RP1200-SW, they're not small, but they are a bit smaller than the RSL 12S.

[@djderekrock]

Dude awesome review! I am enjoying my 12s. I previously owned the pb 1000 pro and felt it lacked transient response. I also previously owned the rsl 10s mk2 and felt it lacked dynamics and depth. The 12s is literally the best of both. This is coming from a former SVS fanboy.

[@NemoPropaganda]

nice dude, I'm happy you love it! SVS is still great, there are people that don't want that well defined leading edge and isntead prefer the bass to have a softer leading edge and rumble really nicely, that's how the SVS PB subs are and why a lot of people enjoy them.

[@Dalt1225]

​@@NemoPropagandahow do you think two of these would compare to my single SVS SB 16 Ultra? More presence and deeper bass I would assume? Thanks!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Dalt1225 2 of these versus a single SB16? That's not really fair but the dual 12s subs should outperform the single SB16. You'd have great extension and output either way but the dual 12s setup would have a larger sense of scale and should have more headroom but I'm only guessing. Essentially this is the ole 2 cheaper subs vs 1 more expensive sub question, depending on the models in question it can go either way but in this situation my money would be on the 12s pair against a single sb16. Again, just guessing.

[@Dalt1225]

@@NemoPropaganda thanks for the reply! I tend to agree with your guess. I've been an SVS customer since the beginning in 2001. I would buy a second SB16 but I'm currently saving for Arendal speakers. I was thinking about selling the SB16 and getting 2 12S Speedwoofers and it wouldn't really cost me anything out of pocket. I'd get an LFE output upgrade and keep my Arendal savings funds.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Dalt1225 I think you're on the right track brother. Even if we look at SVS's own data dual PB 2000 Pro should outperform a single SB16 and the 12s is bigger than the PB2000 pro so I think the dual 12s option would be a really nice upgrade without spending any extra cash. I strongly support your idea :)

[@muzammelhaquemukul7089]

Do you think it would be good idea to use it in a small room for music as you said that it is very good with transient response (may be with lower volume assuming it will not affect the sound quality?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I would not recommend anyone put a giant sub in a small room for a music only system, that doesn't mean it won't sound good or you can't do it. I just wouldn't do it myself.

[@muzammelhaquemukul7089]

@@NemoPropaganda thanks for your kind advice

[@racesla]

Great review, ave you ever listened to any of the Sunfire subs?

[@NemoPropaganda]

no, I thought they went out of business like 15 years ago.

[@racesla]

@@NemoPropaganda No Safe and Sound is selling them. I read Bob Carver sold the company around 2005. Sunfire site says they're part of Nice North America LLC. Who ever that may be.

[@sleeper1023]

This is triggering my Subwoofer Acquisition Syndrome

[@MisterRoger]

Do you think it would be worth upgrading from 2x monolith 10 to 2x speedwoofer 12s? The monoliths are no slouch but I would like to have a fuller sound and more impact for movies. Also, should the 12s be placed a certain distance from the wall because of the rear port?

[@NemoPropaganda]

Absolutely yes. That would be a big upgrade for you!! 6” or so from the rear wall should be fine but maybe call RSL and get their opinion just to be sure.

[@MisterRoger]

Thanks for the quick reply! Definitely will put these on my shopping list :)

[@EntropyConcept]

13:01-since I’m not smart either, I’ll just look at basic specs. Rel t5x: 50 sq in driver area, 125w rms amp, 1750 cubic inch cabinet… and it’s sealed. Speedwoofer: 450 sq in driver, 500w rms amp, 9500 cubic inch cabinet… with a slot port Yeah. Nuked from orbit.

[@buffal0bilious]

Wow, that thing seems like a monster. If Emotiva's XS15 stays at $899, people will be clamoring for a head-to-head between the two.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Yeah that's a killer price for the XS15, my only gripe is you can't set the xover lower than 60hz which is okay for theater guys since they can adjust things further via their AVR but for us stereo guys it make things a bit challenging. For example I generally xover around 35hz when running my S400 MK2. Granted if you run Emotiva's own TA2 amp it has onboard bass management.

[@utjoseywales]

Just purchased, along with the wireless transmitter. Cannot wait to try. Coming from a 20+year Paradigm sub (which, to it's credit, has been great although I did have to buy and reseal the speaker's surround). Fingers crossed....

[@NemoPropaganda]

you're gonna love it.

[@utjoseywales]

@@NemoPropaganda I really think that I will too, and thank you for the awesome, in depth (REAL WORLD) reviews that you do, it's supremely helpful to us non-audiophiles who still strive to get the best bang for our buck without all of the pomp and circumstance. Keep up the great work!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@utjoseywales thank you for the kind words.

[@timelapsega]

I have a 10S Mk1 and Mk2, trying to figure out if I'd be better off with 1 12s or maybe do the 12s and the 10SII? I'm very excited about the 12S because people had crazy expectations based on how good the 10S is yet everyone still seems to be blown away by it.

[@theoriginalcraig]

You already have the ideal setup. Stick with 2 subs. It's physics. 2 will give you better overall evenness of response, with no peaks or nulls. Better than a single sub of most any type. Even a single JL Fathom. 2 subs are ALWAYS better than 1. You've got a killer setup already!

[@NemoPropaganda]

some rooms do just fine with a single sub (like my room) but generally yes, most people would prefer a pair.

[@timelapsega]

@@theoriginalcraig Would there be any issue with mixing a 12S and the 10SII? I've considered setting 12S to handle 40hz and below and 10SII to do 40hz+. Would just like more output below 25hz which is the 10S's weak spot.

[@theoriginalcraig]

@@timelapsega Perfect plan. Absolutely. Best possible solution. You nailed it! I would go with that. Check back in and let me know how it sounds!

[@ndub5781]

I asked Joe Rodgers from RSL…aka, the owner. He said a single 12s, hands down.

[@wheelbasemedia5814]

I have twin 10S Mk II's now . . . maybe upgrade to two of these? :)

[@nodoubt1616]

Would love to see a comparison between the RSL 12s and the SVS 2000 pro

[@NemoPropaganda]

it's no comparison, the 12s is larger and does everything better.

[@67spankadelik]

I have a pair of Rel S5s which I plan to keep. I'm considering buying one of these as a Sunday driver and to shut an obnoxious neighbor up. I just hope it has speed in the high-pass to keep me satisfied.

[@NemoPropaganda]

hard to say, they're different animals, if you're in the free discord I'd love to hear an update once you get the 12s

[@Pentenfi]

Size matters so much for subwoofers. There is a reason why in PA installations people use 18" - 21" drivers in massive enclosures. Just some simple estimate to the question of Rel T5x (or similar) compared to the RSL 12": I agree that 4 Rel T5x will not match a single RSL 12". You'd need at least 6, rather 8! I don't know the specs in particular, but let's say the T5x uses a an 8" driver with decent amount of xmax, say 9 mm one way (like a reference 8" from Dayton) in a sealed box. Compare that to a long throw 12" (around 12 - 14mm xmax) sub in a ported enclosure. Then by displacement only you need around 7 of those 8" woofers to match the output capability of the single 12" ported. This is a rough estimate, since you will have to factor in power handling, but ultimately the only thing relevant is displacement at lower frequencies.

[@Stan_the_Belgian]

Long thrown is 20mm xmax and more...also box size depends on the woofer, and the power handling, look at svs, but it gets expensive fast

[@Pentenfi]

@@Stan_the_Belgian In car audio drivers are often designed such that they have extreme high excursion. But I took woofers that I thought would be more reasonable for the comparison. I don't think the Rel T5x uses a sub with more than 10mm of xmax and I also don't think that the RSl woofer will have more than 15mm of linear throw. For instance, the SVS PB/SB 2000 uses a Peerless basedndriver with about 12-13mm xmax. Power handling depends on the enclosure but for the sake of my argument I was just comparing theoretical displacement capability. This is the number one parameter for SPL in subbass territory

[@Stan_the_Belgian]

@@Pentenfi there is also motor force, stifness of suspension, cone weight, ... it's more than xmax. They determine qts and how they will perform in different box types. I agree for sub bass you need high xmax, motor force, and you will have crappy efficiency

[@Pentenfi]

​@@Stan_the_Belgian I think we are on the same page here. My point was just to show how much size matters

[@HPMIKE55]

Great job bro! 😎👍

[@madcrabber1113]

Did you try connecting via the speaker level inputs?

[@NemoPropaganda]

no, I always use low level unless otherwise stated.

[@madcrabber1113]

@@NemoPropaganda 10-4. I noticed that the 10s has less output via their speaker level inputs was curious if this one is the same.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@madcrabber1113 maybe ask RSL, i didn’t use it that way.

[@samsneediii1793]

I'm curious as to how this compares vs the Arendal 1961 1v. They are virtually twins stat wise and if anyone has heard them both let me know what your thoughts are. I must know if it's an upgrade or if these two magnificent beasts are equal 🤔.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not heard the 1961 1V.

[@samsneediii1793]

Think 1s on STEROIDS 🦾 and it's under 100lbs😉

[@ps_83]

Are they going to raise the price after a while?

[@NemoPropaganda]

if you have questions about the companies inner workings or future plans please contact them.

[@Edmond1812]

How does this compare to the Rel HT/1205 mkII?

[@jorgem50]

I wonder how one of these would compare to one Klipsch 14". I own a pair of the 14s but honestly haven't been that impressed with them. Considering two of these RSLs 12s to replace the klipsch

[@NemoPropaganda]

I've only heard the RP1200SW, what don't you like about the RP1400SW?

[@jorgem50]

@@NemoPropaganda Well, for being 14s and in a huge cabinet I just don't feel the low bass. Peopel talk about that gut punching bass and I expected that with two 14s and unfortunately I haven't felt that. Don't get me wrong, I can hear the bass loud and clear I just don't feel it.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@jorgem50 that doesn't make any sense my bro, try disconnecting one and see if you get more extension, it sounds like theres a phase issue, if your room is smaller you could be losing a lot of sub 30hz bass or if your phase is out of sync you could be getting a boost in the mid band and a total null in the lower frequencies. The smaller RP1200SW was an extension monster, listening to songs like unstoppable by troyboi rattled every window in my room. You might need to consider adding some kind of room correction like a DSP of some kind if you can't get the subs dialed in with the included controls. There are a few options like Dspeaker antimode & miniDSP. Every room has problems, this may be a problem your room has, I would try to solve it before upgrading my subs.

[@jorgem50]

@@NemoPropaganda Ok man I'll try what you're suggesting. Thank you!

[@binuthomasabraham8657]

Hi Nemo, Where performance is concerned (2.1 Stereo or 2.2 Stereo) application, for listening to music, which impressed you most. RSL Subs, REL Subs or SVS Subs? (In the same power output range) HP and LP Features given to the RSL Subs is too good.

[@NemoPropaganda]

they all impress me but for different reasons. I'd say the RSL 12S was the most "holy crap wow!" experience. It's sheer size makes it capable of a sense of scale that smaller options simply can't match and it's priced so low it almost doesn't make sense but it's a giant sub and not everyone can accomodate that, myself included. I think SVS makes a great sub for those that prefer a heavier handed presentation, REL makes a great sub for those that prefer better integration and handeling of delicate passages. They're opposite ideas of what bass should be.

[@MikeSmith-rh5gc]

I’ve decided to upgrade to the Arendal 1723 s system but my room is not that big, so I was gonna get their 1961 sub for now then maybe get 2 when we get a bigger room. Saw (I forgot his name) give a poor review on the 1961 and recommended this sub. What’s your opinion between the 1961 and this big 12?

[@NemoPropaganda]

The RSL 12s is substantially larger, maybe 3x the size, if you are okay with the size the RSL 12s is insanely good. If the size is too large there are many good options on the smaller side like the Rythmik LV12m which is phenomoinal, if you want something with a nicer finish the XTZ 10.17 EDGE is great too. For Arendal subs I didn't feel the 1961 1S was anything special, it's good for sure but the 1723 1S I felt was very special but that is much more expensive.

[@MikeSmith-rh5gc]

@@NemoPropaganda thank you. Think I’m going with the RSL.

[@Eddie87Grant]

I wish that had across this page before I invested in some Klipsch spl-120's. I may have to move some furniture to accommodate because I was looking at the Klipsch RP 1200's but I think that this subwoofer can cleanly reproduce bass down to 16hz. $200 cheaper and a smaller foot print which adds up to a win win for me. Thank you for your video.

[@parkersgarage4216]

My problem is the rp1200sw is 600 right now w a 5y warranty. This is 800 w 2/5yr warranty. I dunno what to do tbh.

[@xavierwood2030]

Wonder how it compares to Monolith 15 v2

[@NemoPropaganda]

The one that’s $1500? I’d hope to god the 15” monolith is better but I have not heard any of their subs.

[@xavierwood2030]

@@NemoPropaganda Goes on sale at 1200-1300 a few times, but ya it'll be interesting to compare and see if the Monolith subs deserve their praise.

[@dextermorgan1]

​@@xavierwood2030 I can answer that. They're terrific subs. I have the 15 in. I'm actually selling it, so I can buy two 10 in models. The 15 is too much and too big for my house. That sub is a beast.

[@hawkeytown]

Yep I have two monolith 10s in my room and they are awesome. My room isnt that big but they are way more than enough to shake the whole house and they blend in great with the room.

[@MykWazowski]

I know you're a big fan of the REL ht 1205 and the 1003 mkii, they seem pretty similar, minus the size. Are their similarities, and differences? I was thinking going with rel because of your positive reviews, also like the size and finish. Wondering If I would have an equal or better experience with the Speedwoofer. room is 12x12x7. will be used 50/50 movies and music, used with large Polk R700 towers. Cheers.

[@NemoPropaganda]

discord.com/channels/919111263148208209/1089813679907807262

[@SethJacobsMaine]

I have a 12s arriving today. My towers are also r700's.

[@joekool5676]

Hey Nemo, seems like a great sub. How does it compare to Rythmik FVX12, E15HP, and JL E110. I know JL is 10 inch but it packs punch so wanted your opinion

[@NemoPropaganda]

discord.com/channels/919111263148208209/1089813679907807262

[@huyly5339]

Bro, I think I have asked you in the past about HSU subs, and you said you were not able to reach out to them or something like that right?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I reached out 3 times, they never responded :(

[@huyly5339]

@@NemoPropaganda that's a shame, I assume they probably don't want to pay the shipment.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@huyly5339 nope, my email to them was very clear, I informed them I only lived 30 minutes down the road from their warehouse and would be happy to drive down to collect and return the unit to eliminate all costs associated with shipping, still no response or reply. The review would have cost them literally zero dollars.

[@davel4449]

In terns of sound quality, transient, extension... Do you think it compares to yhe pb2000 pro ? I am in the fence with this one and pb2000 pro

[@NemoPropaganda]

Let me be crystal clear, I love SVS as a company, I think they make outstanding products and have outstanding customer serivce and with that said I feel the RSL 12s does everything better than the PB2000 pro. If the size of the 12s.

[@davel4449]

Nemo thank you SO MUCH for your time and clear straight to the point answers. I will be buying an RSL 12s for sure no more doubts

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@davel4449 just make sure it fits where you want to put it and make sure you double check the height also!! It's a big boy!!!!!

[@davel4449]

No worries for the sound I want I don't mind it's big like a kitchen stove lol

[@DingeyBasementRecordings]

i know you compare this to the Rythmik lv12m, how does the 12s compare this to the fvx12?

[@NemoPropaganda]

from my discord: RSL 12s vs Rythmik FVX12: To be crystal clear the FVX12 at $1100 is superior in terms of sound quality and bass fidelity overall and I do not believe we will ever see a day where another vented sub can best the FVX12 in terms of bass fidelity. With that said the RSL 12s at $800 is substantially larger and will outperform just about anything smaller in terms of sheer scale, effortlessness, and thickness in the lower end, all while having sound quality that most will consider very much to be fantastic in its own right. Does the RSL 12s have REL/Rythmik levels of fidelity? Absolutely not but it's plenty good for the money. It's almost like a poor mans PB16 ultra but more tactile and quicker. Do keep in mind the FVX12 is no slouch in terms of output & effortlessness either. it is however much smaller overall than the 12s. So what do you want? The best sound? Go for FVX12. You want the biggest sense of scale and overall bass per dollar, go for 12s. Each one represents tremendous value.

[@muntasirmamun1345]

Hi Nemo, Is it possible to compare it with PB-3000? Not with price, with performance only.

[@NemoPropaganda]

unlikely, reviewing larger subs is a serious challenge for me and I don't want to review anything else that's larger. I can tell you the 12s will outperform a PB2000 Pro for sure, PB3000 I just don't know since I've never heard one. If I had to guess I'd say the PB3000 should outperform the 12s in terms of raw output since the cabinets are simlar in size but the PB3000 has the technical advantage of having 60% more power and a driver that is 18% larger.

[@muntasirmamun1345]

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you for such a quick response. I am a proud owner of RSL 12S. Except the size, It is unbelievable. Paired it with HSU Research ULS 15 MK2. Which is also great, only thing is mixing sealed and ported subwoofer, which SVS strictly discourage. As I use my subwoofers almost 100% for movies, ported is better for me. Considering replacing my ULS 15 MK2. As it will be one time purchase not considering money. Confused adding another RSL 12S or SVS PB3000. Matching with presently have RSL 12S or SB 3000? Any suggestions for me? Matching similar kind may mean overall better output. Matching different kind may mean, it will cover if one area is weaker in one subwoofer. 🤔

[@NemoPropaganda]

​@@muntasirmamun1345 I do not believe mixing PB3000 & 12S will sound better than two matching subs from either brand. The phase issues alone of 1 front ported and 1 rear ported will be a nightmare.

[@muntasirmamun1345]

@@NemoPropaganda Noted. Thank you for giving me the relief. Not considering PB 3000 anymore.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@muntasirmamun1345 no problerm man, my goal has always been to help people and myself stop obsessing so we can get back to the music :)

[@Blahmanwhysoserious]

How would you compare these to say dual sb3000s? I have a pb12-nsd, basically old pb2000 way back from 2006 and now have a home with a small basement home theater, the main issue with my current pb12 is the peaks and nulls in my space and the footprint, i have about 6ft of space from my seating area to the tv, wall mounted speakers and sub. My svs is turned sideways to not stick out too far. I was looking at the sb3000s but this and the price got my attention , primarily watch movies but cause music sounds like ass currently in this space

[@NemoPropaganda]

if you have peaks & nulls and want to go dual sub to fix that and the NSD is already too big I don't think you can fit 2 of these so you might need to stick with the more compact solutions like the SB3000 pair.

[@Blahmanwhysoserious]

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks, yeah my space is tough, it’s an 8x15 room but one plus was my 65” tv seems enormous now being 6 ft from it, love the channel and the straight forward style of the reviews!

[@Blahmanwhysoserious]

@@NemoPropaganda I’m now watching your REL 1205 /1510 videos and thinking I might try a different brand lol, lots to choose from these days

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Blahmanwhysoserious oh yeah! there are a ton of options. A pair of 1205 MK2 would be awesome too.

[@mudibluz2006]

Can you review the perlisten d15 vs their r212 (both of them cost the same)

[@NemoPropaganda]

I can't bro, they were willing to send me a review sample but the subs are just a bit too heavy for me to accomodate as they arrive on a pallet and when subs are around 100lbs or more it's just too much for me bro. I had a back injury awhile ago and after many months of physical therapy my back is strong now but I do not wish to injur it again :)

[@pthetech-guy7548]

Rsl 12s vs arendal 1961 1v which one will hit harder ??? Please help

[@NemoPropaganda]

The larger 12s plays considerably louder below 40hz.

[@gregrichard9192]

Ok, so this review made me SUBscribed. Knew about you for the first time by seeing a pic from Thomas

[@NemoPropaganda]

aye welcome aboard my man!!!!!

[@benitlu]

Question, can you control the volume of the HPF with the remote or its fixed?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I no longer have this review sample in my home and cannot test anything additional that was not covered in the video, please contact RSL to be sure the unit will work the way you intend to use it.

[@jurynalivaiko4718]

Hey! Hope you good!I was leaning towards SVS SB 3000 pro...but that is obviously more expensive..But if you take more similar price sub..lets say sb 2000 pro?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I do not understand the question. Please clarify.

[@jurynalivaiko4718]

@@NemoPropaganda heh..he..sorry, kids distracted from full question..yes. i know you compared this speedwoofer with svs pb 1000 pro, but svs has less output power. but if you take SB 2000 pro instead , which is sealed but has similar output power with speedwoofer 12s, (yet slightly more expensive.) which of those two would perform better overall in such things like transients, thickness of bass, speed, depth, note distinctions..etc? which of those two would take edge of some of those factors important for defining music quality? thank you!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@jurynalivaiko4718 power doesn't matter in this situation, the sb2000 is so much smaller than the 12s the comparison is a non starter. The SB2000 is a nice compact solution with very respectable performance for its compact dimensions. The 12S is a monster for those who can accomodate the size, it does everthing better than the SB2000 pro and it's roughly 4x the size if not bigger.

[@tonydillinger2553]

I was going to get 10s mkii but then seen the rel ht1003 mkii video, now no idea.....

[@NemoPropaganda]

From the Discord: **__REL 1003 MK2 vs RSL Speedwoofer 10s:__** Enough people asked so I gotta answer. This is a pretty simple one, the 10s is a vented sub and larger overall so no surprise it will play louder. The 1003 MK2 being a REL will do all the things REL generally does better in the realm of bass fidelity. It will cost you more money, is a little smaller, and can't play as loud but it can still play plenty loud. If you can afford the +56% price difference the 1003 MK2 is absolutely worth it. The RSL 10S continues to be the best subwoofer under $500, but the more expensive 1003 MK2 will reward you with better bass fidelity overall.

[@janetandtiff]

Does it double as a clothes dryer?

[@NemoPropaganda]

it took me a second and then I nearly fell out of my chair laughing, I never realized these bigger subs can start to look like front load washing machiens or dryers lolololol

[@itzjustkris7964]

can this thing actually hit 16-25 hz? im planning to get this to jerry rig it into my z906 setup with rca splitters

[@NemoPropaganda]

I don't see why it wouldn't, this things a pretty serious monster.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

I assume this is an SPL sub?

[@NemoPropaganda]

for the most part yes, a little towards the middle but its heft, tone, and heaviness is SPL goodness for sure.

[@wiloneoo7]

RSL 12S vs Rythmik FVX 12. How do they compare with eachother?

[@NemoPropaganda]

as mentioned in the video more comparisons are in the free discord. discord.com/channels/919111263148208209/1089813679907807262

[@docwho10th88]

Compared to your Rythmik 12, which sub digs deeeeeper, has a more tactile feel and which has the better in your chest punch?. I tried the discord link but could not find the discussion. Took me to a dead end. Looking for a 50/50 sub. Thanks for your response and hard work.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Vented subs generally are not very tactile but based on what you're describing I think you will enjoy the 12S.

[@MrKrampyHands]

How do the RSL Speed woofers compare to Monolith THX M10 and M12,s respectively. im quite sure the m10 by monolith and RSL's 10s are easily whe best 10 in woofers you can possibly buy i hav two M10's and they are obscene and if this RSL is better i have to hear and possibly get one but the Monolith THX Ultra 13 is on my radar to but its more than double the price and 4x as powerful, man its to bad there are no dealers around at all for RSL or Monolith especially in St Louis you have to buy blindly and hope for the best thats how it went buying the Klipsch subs Monolith THX's replaced even if i could test them in store it will most undoubtedly sound diffrent in my room anyway so really cant base my decision on that anyway.

[@NemoPropaganda]

The M10 is a lot bigger than the 10s so they're for different people but those two certainly are fantastic value items. Personally I don't have a lot of love for Monolith for various reasons, primarily because I feel like the just copied SVS on their original line but their subwoofers do offer a lot of output for the money but RSL also offers a lot of output for the money and also with really good bass fidelity. The RSL 12s will be an upgrade over the M10's you have. The RSL 12s performs on level of the M12 and will have a tighter sound with quicker transients. RSL is really good at making a large vented subwoofer that doesn't sound sloppy. I know you probably think your M10 aren't sloppy and in a vacuum they're not but if you get the 12s and compare them you'll see what I mean. Always remember this, it's easy to make a big sub get loud & low, it's difficult to make a big sub sound good and have quick transients, that's what makes RSL different. What's amazing about monolith is the price point & output, what's amazing about RSL is the price point, output, and bass fidelity. Hope this helps in some way, I am for sure trying to suggest you buy the 12s instead of the M12, I do think you'll be happy with either though :)

[@capnsnaxx]

I really don't know how RSL does what they do. But I'm not complaining because we as consumers benefit from it. I'm still rocking two of the older generation of the speed woofer 10s. Those things still get the job be for me. The only thing that concerns me is the size of this beast with me having a smaller room. But they still have the 10s mk II so if I were to upgrade that will be the direction I would go in.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I wouldn't upgrade from 10s to 10s MK2, the difference is too small. I'd just keep what you got my man!

[@capnsnaxx]

@@NemoPropaganda that's some good advice! Thanks man!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@capnsnaxx yes sir, always gotta be financially mindful and stack that paper!

[@sirjared21]

2 of these vs 1 Monoprice 13in THX?

[@NemoPropaganda]

2 of these.

[@mousec2600]

I got a 10s MII last year and I love it. Now I want one of these to pair with it. I'm confident they'll work well together.

[@NemoPropaganda]

they will but after you hear the 12s you will most likely only still be using the 10s to balance out the room, you won't need the extra output :)

[@mousec2600]

@@NemoPropaganda That should work fine. I'm glad the 12s are so solid.

[@davel4449]

Nemo I got a question for you, I think I watched EVERYTHING you made 10 x, your reviews are just plainly the BEST Now, because of your review between this RSL speedwoofer 12s (my first choice because of you) and comparing this with the monolith 12 THX (100$ more only) , my receiver is a Onkyo rz50 .. My room is around 18x27 I listen 75% movies and 25% music... I love DEEP bass but I would like QUALITY also like you always say... Transium note to note transition.. I want deep powerful but QUALITY bass... I think I this point there is no bad choice.. BUT what would YOU pick and why ?!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hi Dave, thank you for the kind words. I do not believe monolith makes anything comparable or better for the same money. Buy the 12s, don't look back. As long as the size is okay you will be a very happy man.

[@davel4449]

@@NemoPropaganda I can't believe you really take the time to answer, is so kind from you THANK YOU, will gladly go for the 12s !! It's really nice to see how you care men, wish you would be my neighbor would pay you a bear and talk about what we love ! Good sound

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@davel4449 thank you Dave, I try my best to respond to most comments. The channel isn't too big so it's not too much work. I started this whole thing to try and help people make decisions because I had a hard time making decisions myself lol. I understand the fear and worry of making the wrong decision many of us face and I enjoy helping people solve that when possible :)

[@MrSpamName]

RSL and HSU are hands down best subs per dollar.

[@Intoi]

How is this one compared to Arendal 1723?

[@NemoPropaganda]

this is a lot bigger, it does all the things bigger subwoofers do, there is nothing soundwise the 1723 1s can do that this can't.

[@Intoi]

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you for the answer. 12s would be like 1300$ to ship to Sweden. 1723s is like 1600$ . I will use it both for music and movies. ( I live in an apartment). Which one would you prefer? :)

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Intoi I don't like questions that make me or my personal preference the focal point in someone elses purchasing decision, I'm happy to help push you in the right direction based on your needs. Why are you considering two subwoofers that are so drastically different in physical size? Once people have narrowed down their decisions to 2 items they are generally similar but here you have 1 compact sealed sub versus 1 giant vented sub.

[@Intoi]

@@NemoPropaganda Understandable . I like a fast bass, musical bass. I want the bass to be there but not be able to locate it. It is my first subwoofer so I don’t have the experience to express myself in another way. I really like your channel but I don’t always understand what you mean in your reviews/ overviews , since I don’t really have that much experience

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Intoi okay got it, no problem bro we all start somewhere, so next question, why such large options? Is this primarly theater, do you listen crazy loud, or is there another reason you want a big daddy sub?

[@rick-val22]

Would you go with 4 RSL for $3200 or 2JTR RS-1 Captivators for $6600 hitting 5Hz? 60% movies 40% music.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not heard JTR subwoofers, they don't really send review samples and they're a little too large for me. Personally if I was in the market for an 18" the Rythmik F18 would be my first pick but I'm a music first customer. My best advice to you is start with a pair of 12s and go from there. You'd be keeping your initial investment down and you'll get to see what the 12s is all about. If you love them you certainly can add 2 more and if you hate them you can sell them and move on without losing too much. It's easier to sell an $800 sub on the used market than a $3k+ sub.

[@greyshadow7786]

Should I spend the extra $170 on this rather than getting the rythmik L12?

[@NemoPropaganda]

those are 2 very different subwoofers in 2 very different sizes. I don't know what your goals are, I don't know your usage case, I don't know your room dimensions, I cannot assist any further.

[@4ehano]

I would love to have this SW, but RSL won't ship it to me here in Hawaii because of it's size! And that sucks!

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'm not surprised, shipping it UPS on my wholesale shipping account is $367 + $78 large package fee and that doesn't even include insurance. Retail rate on that shipping is probably over $500+. A pallet on a wholesale account is probably the same or more. Rates to Hawaii have really gone up in the past year. I used to be able to ship a pallet to Hawaii for $300, now it's $800+ for that same pallet :(

[@4ehano]

Thanks for your comments, thoughts and insights on our shipping problems here in the aloha state

[@4ehano]

If I get a decent shipping price I'll consider it, if not I'm going with the SVS PB-2000 through our local Best Buy outlet. But it's a weeks wait for arrival. Like they say, only time will tell.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@4ehano the PB2000 Pro is a great LFE monster too and a little smaller so that's not a bad choice either!!

[@4ehano]

RSL fixed their website and shipping page, but in the end I ordered the 10s mkii because of budget constraints. The 12s would have worked out for me because of my living room size and volume, (25x35x10)but with reviews like yours and others, I'm truly hoping this lives up to all the hype it's gotten here on YT. Will post after arrival, unboxing, setup, testing and break-in. Aloha!

[@TheCompton2010]

is it $200 better than a SVS PB-2000?

[@NemoPropaganda]

its hard to answer value based questions or "is it worth it" type questions as that is very personal. If you want more than what the PB2000 can do then $200 isn't much of a price difference but if you need to buy insulin to stay alive then you may have better use for that $200.

[@TheCompton2010]

@@NemoPropaganda Fair enough. but generally speaking, would a normal person listening think it's considerably better than the PB2000 (non pro)? If so, then i am going to wait and get this. it sounds like it is from what I have read.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@TheCompton2010 people get really weird and crazy when it comes to value so I try to stay out of it but I can tell you I personally think its worth it and if anyone felt the $200 wasn't worth it I'd respect their opinion but I would seriously disagree with them or just assume they don't know how to setup their sub.

[@TheCompton2010]

@@NemoPropaganda I understand. It sounds like it’s even better than the 2000 pro…. At a cheaper price.Thanks for the reply.

[@DingeyBasementRecordings]

Just wondering. You say at the end of the video, that the RSL 12s is basically the poor mans SVS PB 16 ultra. Was that comment in regards to size or output or both? If this can hang with a PB 16 ultra that would be amazing!

[@NemoPropaganda]

allow me to clarify, the phrase "poormans x" generally means the item is considerably cheaper and gets close to the more expensive thing but doesn't mean it's on the same level, we do have to remember the PB16 is even larger than the 12s weighing in at a whopping 175 lbs, has triple the wattage, and the custom peerless STW driver inside the PB16 is a beast in its own right.

[@DingeyBasementRecordings]

@@NemoPropaganda Ya I figured that. Would the 12s be better than the PB3000?

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@DingeyBasementRecordings I'm not sure, I never heard the PB3000, only the SB/PB1000 Pro, SB/PB2000 Pro, PC2000, SB3000, and SB/PB16

[@parkersgarage4216]

I need your advice, do i get the klipsch rp1200sw for 600 or this thing? Im looking for chest thumping neighbor waking up bass. Which do i get? The klipsch has 5yr warranty on amp and speaker while this has the 2/5. If it had 5/5 id be very interested.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Both can pound but the RSL 12s is more in every way.

[@parkersgarage4216]

@@NemoPropaganda thanks for the advice. ill try out the klipsch and if it isnt enough then ill get the rsl.

[@parkersgarage4216]

​@@NemoPropaganda once you break it in is there any difference? I just got it yesterday and wasnt very impressed tbh. I canceled the klipsch and got the rsl 12s. I think I have an issue w mine though. It doesn't seem to hit hard. I tried all settings in my reciever and Def made it better. I was thinking it was gonna shake things up but it doesn't. Their customer service is great though for sure. Hope I figure it out for sure. I will say if anyone hooks up any sub. Be sure to use the 2 rca jacks not just the single lfe. It makes a pretty big difference for sure. It does hit harder and get louder. I gave them my room measurements and they said 1 should be enough. I told them I'll buy another if necessary. They said they'd give me a discount on the 2nd sub which I thought was cool.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@parkersgarage4216 in my experience most subs change with break in, it's usually not drastic and it wasn't drastic with the RP1200SW but it they generally get a little louder and dig a little lower after a few hours of sustained use. Try plugging the ports on your speakers temporarily to rule out any major phase issues. If plugging your speakers ports gives you a substantial increase in bass you have a phase issue.

[@seemovielove3597]

My main speakers is Yamaha DXR12 1100watt max. Will this sub work for my home karaoke system? Thanks

[@NemoPropaganda]

depends on if you can connect it or not. How do you get sound to play on the speaker? Like where does the sound come from?

[@seemovielove3597]

@@NemoPropaganda My system is connecting to Behringer XR12. I can connect this sub to XR12 Aux 1/2. I just would like to ensure that the power of this sub can match my speakers having 1100w max. I normally use full power of my speakers. I am just afraid this sub does not have enough power output or not loud enough. Thanks

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@seemovielove3597 I'm not familiar with pro audio equipment but the 12s can play very loud.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Do you play over 110 db in the home?

[@seemovielove3597]

@@WWeiss-nv5vznot sure how loud is 110db. But if you have a receiver of 110w then I play at least max volume of this receiver.

[@demonreturns4336]

My guy Nemo,,,,, you've seen and heard more subwoofs in your life than I've owned shoes so I can take your word that said you should look into reviewing one of these and see how it compares to other things you've heard in the past Definitive Technology Descend DN15 15" Subwoofer you're one of the reasons why I got a rythmik and its top notch great 👍

[@NemoPropaganda]

I tried bro but they won't respond to my emails so no luck. Except for REL I generally don't love passive radiator subs.

[@demonreturns4336]

@@NemoPropaganda aha I see, ok can’t say I blame you then. Sounds like they are afraid to stand by their product. Thanks my guy and may life continue to go good for you and treat you well

[@dalemansukh]

This or the hsu vtf 3 mk 5 for $100 more? That's a 15 inch

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hi Dale, unfortunately I canno asnwer this question. I've emailed HSU 3 times and never got a response, I emailed RSL 1 time when I only had 1400 subscribers and the owner personally emailed me back and let me know that while they did not have inventory at the moment they would happily send a review sample as soon as one was available (which they did). With that said I have never heard HSU despite them being only 30 minutes up the road from where I live. Anyway the HSU in question appears to be $314 more ($999 plus $115 shipping).

[@dalemansukh]

@@NemoPropaganda oh shoot, I guess it's not 2014 anymore huh? Joe's a great guy, he advised me how to set up the RSL speakers I bought for my HT. Guess I should invest in what I know is good support. Sad to hear about HSU, not sure what they are thinking; even if they are not updating their product line - I need current reviews before buying. Like what you do, keep it up.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@dalemansukh thank you for the kind words my man!

[@JPWinters]

Another industry value leader. Happy to hear the SQ & scale is a meaningful step up. I will say though, this is probably the ugliest subwoofer I have ever seen, just my opinion of course. Thanks for the review!

[@NemoPropaganda]

yeah bro, it's a challenge to make big ported subs look good. You can throw a gloss finish on them and that helps but generally adds $150-$200 to the price.

[@gregorybond2859]

It was all I could do to get the wife to agree on the FVX12 because of the size. I thank she would have drew line on the RSL12s🙂. I am surprised they did not port it in the front to be able place it in more places. Great review!

[@NemoPropaganda]

excellent choice, FVX12 is a true hidden gem.

[@corkydukeII5898]

But is it better than the Jamo C912? (Hehe Just Kidding) 😁🙃😆

[@davel4449]

Men i wish this subwoofer would be compared to a pb 2000 pro or pb 3000 pro

[@NemoPropaganda]

PB2000 Pro is very good but smaller overall. The 12s is the better sub in my opinion for the money if the size is not a concern. The PB3000 is double the price so you can get dual RSL 12S, I don't think a single PB3000 can compete with that. SVS Makes a very good subwoofer but RSL really did something crazy here and for a very low price.

[@sabbathAndy]

Looks like a great choice, enquired about it but importing this to my country is gonna be close to 1200 bucks which is quite a step up from the 800 😔

[@Eron55555]

Yeah it's not cheap getting it to Canada. But considering the PB2000 pro is now 1850 CDN +15% tax.. Well.. I have a feeling the 12S is the better choice.

[@rjzlwop3153]

Hey, my good man what speakers do you use for surround speakers in your system or do you not do that?

[@NemoPropaganda]

i don't use surround sound.