Better Flight - Adjust Curves - 3.10 Star Citizen

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[@parajacks4]

“Entertained and informed” that’s why we come back

[@trashcanjoe412]

Wow, the timing on this video was perfect, I got my first stick yesterday and have been looking for a simple explination on curves :)

[@tebasak1]

I totally even forgot about curves as I'm still relearning the new button arrangement (where tf are my lights!) But I never knew how to interpret these until now, thanks!!!

[@craigwoodward8455]

Lights are L

[@NoktiousGames]

Check your thumbnail, might need "adjusing". ;]

[@DugiJugi]

@TheNOOBIFIER1337 please, do you give us your controls mappings xml's (Stand and seat with pedals) please? (Config.: "Virpil MonsterSET"(Throttle T-50cm2, 2xT-50cm2 Bases with Constellation Alphas L+R on the chair with Monstertec and ACE2-Pedals) That would be very good and a big help :) greets from Hamburg ;)

[@justaguy-q8w]

this helped me alot my roll vas too fast when i slightly touched it it spinned like crazy now i have better control thanks for this !!!

[@MrSulen-bi5nu]

Are you hoping to start enjoying dogfighting again? Sounds like it! :)

[@vamperic]

If only the PU ran as smoothly as arena commander xD

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

True

[@turtlemaster7183]

Thanks for your feedback again. I personnaly use 1.4 curves on main used axis sinces a while with an hotas configuration.

[@danwatt5789]

Glad to hear I'm not the only guy that considers curves to be important.

[@jimmyjango5213]

BLUF: Use a 1.4 J-curve. Got it! I'll give that a go

[@spinwardbound]

Thanks. Clear

[@BROXITON]

i did this change allready way earlier due to the joysticks specified sensors which made it hard to control for longer than 1 hour dogfighting. so setting these up will also give you some more comfort as the joystick input will result in more power versus the standard 1:1 linear curve!

[@Sarazoul]

Great video. I m used to curves thanks to experience In other flight sims. I m usually using S curves for precision in small adjustments. That said, the curves can be intimidating for new players. One of the best guides I've seen. I would recommend posting it on spectrum

[@prodigalgm3922]

The mouth of

[@serald7254]

Absent the presentations and informative vids by @Noobifier1337 , I would be at a disadvantage. Merci sir. Now plz delete this vid and comments so OTHERS cannoT be schooled and I own all the SC space knowledge!!! ;)

[@DanielPerez-zb8jk]

I play with HOTAS and I´m used to play with a 1.40 ratio but I´m not focused on PVP....I´ll check 3.10 settings when it goes live..

[@ec-norsemanzero-drake7031]

Yup.

[@blackmanx5845]

Yeah, thanks Noob. Reason I quit using joysticks was all the pain of reapplying for each ETF and PTU patch. "Hopefully" it's a good time to hook them up again and buy some new sticks. Wallet beware...

[@CouchCit]

Thanks for the tips @TheNOOBIFIER1337. FYI I posted a video the other day showcasing a bug where the custom curve I set for Flight Rolling (on gamepad) randomly resets itself back to the default 1.00 setting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmPUkHyHp6eiZrs Just an FYI for you and your viewers in case you're seeing the same issue. There's also a link to the Issue Council Report in the description.

[@Reaperman4711]

Well, that's a world of 'nope' from me. I'll only start doing this when they stop radically changing flight characteristics and at least somewhat lock them down. (and at that point, hopefully I won't need to) Thanks a ton for the videos, though--it gives me all the 'its not soup yet' info without me having go through the trouble of checking 3.10 out myself. Or probably 3.11, 3.50 or 4.0.

[@worum_4472]

This is a random question but I thought you would be a good person to ask about this. I want to buy an eclipse ingame next patch and I'm not sure if I should use the cross section torpedoes with a 12s lock time or the electromagnetic ones or infrared ones that do a tiny bit more damage and a 6s lock time, I know you would recommend cross section ones because countermeasures can't block them but I'm not sure if their worth it because of the long lock time? I would appreciate it if you give me your ideas. Thanks. (Edit:) or should I just get the retaliator?? Or a vanguard or something else, pls give your recommendations!!!!

[@sardonic_irony]

Is software outside of Star Citizen a better option, then? That way, if you modify your curves and get them right, then forget to save them in SC, they will still apply? TARGET and vJoy come to mind, but there are a ton of other options - are they worth looking into in lieu of in-game modeling?

[@xOperator]

TIL there were curves in Star Citizen. Been a backer since 2.2 or 2.3 i think. never noticed this. in the RC Heli world, curves are critical on how you fly a RC heli. I just set this up for my throttle now that i use in SC.

[@tpatm]

Are the curves stored in the ini file? (can’t check myself because of broken pc :( ) Then you could copy/paste one S curve to all axis easier ...

[@BullyPackGaming]

Very informative! May have to consider some tweaking but will hold off till they finalize the defaults. Too many changes as it is right now.

[@buruzn09]

Figuring out control settings and bindings is one of the most frustrating part of games. I want to play, I don’t want to play with settings. I’m more likely to just suffer with and learn with the defaults. It’s not that I don’t want to perfect things, but it takes so long for me.

[@briaireous]

Great video, thank you sir, might try take up an xbox controller again once 3.10 is released

[@spartarex]

Thanks, Noobifier. Its very interesting and informative to hear someone else sum up the change in the new flight model and the adjustments you are making to optimize performance.

[@barr1888]

Arena commander is good fun. Will need to try your curves out noob. First time I have enjoyed arena commander in quite sometime.

[@tripperdan]

Thanks! this is something I'm sure I'll need to implement when 3.10 goes live

[@rossdavison6526]

You've given me hope that I might one day learn to fly my ship without crashing.

[@michaelwilkes2519]

Just got myself a HOTAS, now I need 3.10 to test it :-)

[@Foxmizou]

thanks for sharing your setting must test when 3.10 become to Live

[@frerkshow9874]

Did you think a hotas setup can be competitive in SC with the new flight O'Dell?

[@wingman2472]

Nice vid cheers think ill try the basic first for a bit see how it go's your vid are very precise that's what I like about your & straight to the point

[@-xARCHONx-]

I've never had to dabble with curves. But I guess I might need to do that soon

[@explorer47422]

Are the personal curve settings contained in the USER folder? As such if you delete it like what's recommended don't you lose all that tweaking info?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I have never tried, I imagine they re in that config

[@neojack333]

the S curve helped me a LOT back in 2.6 and 3.4

[@cossack4930]

Is it better to change settings in game or in the joystick software?

[@lordnedz]

Thanks for the updates Noobifier

[@onlihernan]

I come back like a loyal birdy for his breadcrums.

[@lunar2155]

Before u where flying like a drone.. No sense..

[@KuraIthys]

I know these settings exist, but I can't be bothered messing with it given how much work it is. I have the same problem with actual flight sims, like X-plane. It's especially bad when dealing with an aircraft I have real-world flight experience with. Ideally the flight behaviour in the sim should match the real aircraft. That's all well and good, but that means tweaking about a million different settings in the flight sim. (to say nothing of technically building a craft specific cockpit setup, which is just plain unreasonable) That's fine, but these are usually global settings in a flight simulator, when what I'm trying to accomplish is usually to configure aircraft specific behaviours. I feel like I'd have the same problem in Star Citizen. It's all well and good to be able to adjust input curves on my controllers... But I get the feeling I'd want considerably different settings for my 600i than I'd want for a P-72. (leaving aside the current reality of atmospheric vs space flight) So... Yeah. That these options exist is great, but they're a bit problematic to use effectively... Plus setup time is atrocious. I already had massive issues because the PTU didn't have my keybinds from the live build, and it turns out I have tweaked quite a few things, and without those tweaks even basic flight becomes a massive headache. (for instance, I have to outright turn off the ability to use my joystick to control free-look, or it interferes with my flight controls, given I have a dedicated controller to look around with...) Going back to the default controls almost left me at the point where I couldn't actually fly a vehicle effectively... Having to deal with that every patch would be a nightmare. (of course, the other side of that is copying over old settings might leave me without critical new functionality bound to anything at all, which is also problematic...)

[@neojack333]

you can save and load controler settings. search about xml export / import. the file is editable too if you use notepad++ it's easier to read. i set my axes this way because the game was too confused by hotas + pedals + trackIR back in 3.4

[@danfromoh]

great video. info is appreciated.

[@dougalemacalestyr8365]

@N00bifier1337 @4:04 you show your table with GamerGlass on it. What Monstertech mount is that?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It was a mount I got off amazon email me, I can send details please

[@tsakanikasg]

Way to ease the learning curve :)

[@kneejo-tube]

I come from elite dangerous. I put my curves at 3 since I started playing and it's still too jerky for me :) But I'm slowly getting used to it, especially since I got the arrow which is so maneuverable

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Wow

[@jcadence4761]

Great guide, thank you!

[@BuzZzKiller]

I personally use a 1.5 curve on Pitch/Yaw and 3.0 on Roll and All Strafe Axes. Haven't tweaked it in a while, but now I'm thinking maybe I should.

[@chrisa1160]

I hadn't seen how they handle custom curves... would be easier to use if they didn't pre-populate it with points, because it looks like you need to waste a lot of time clearing out unneeded points just to get to something smooth (which is generally what you want).

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Yes, it’s clunky for sure

[@michaelanderson6627]

interesting! thank you!

[@HiddenCitizenAR]

Noob, do you prefer the rudder pedals over having the controls on the joysticks?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

No I normally play SC on my standing rig. That is just a personal preference though

[@ItzAllMine360]

what does the saturation do?

[@000NULL]

This is good. I toyed around with this too and found for Fighters, a similar setting performed better.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I’m happy

[@wokelion1573]

Yea yea yea where is Wave 2 😆

[@midolive]

Imagine having the ability to change your flight settings or adjust the curves directly on your MFD's. I think we would get a lot more use out of it if it were more accessible. Having to go to the menu everytime you want to adjust something really kills the motivation for me personally.

[@MetalXMind]

don't know about how feasible this is but you could always use Joystick Gremlin to set your curves, you could put that up on your MFD, probably even bind some physical knobs for curve adjustment with a custom plugin

[@Wolf_Rayet]

cant wait to test this in PU

[@russelljohnson9533]

Its all fine.... :-)

[@VonSpud]

I always know where to go for comprehensive How-to's...and I probably qualify for part time OCD ...

[@mroushion]

I use 1.8 for pitch, yaw and roll. Works for me

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Nice, I will try ramping up

[@Anachroschism]

Assuming you wanted matching curves, can you apply a single curve, then export the config and copy and paste the curve to the other axis by editing the config file?

[@aderek79]

thanks for this info

[@etogreen]

I also use a 1.4 curve on most axes. Pedals I usually use a slightly higher curve(1.5), because I use them to yaw and I need that extra precision for small aiming increments.

[@hutitch2647]

Noob I love all your videos, weirdly your joystick and hardware reviews a lot as it helps me plan my controller upgrade path. But you are killing me here man! I know you've got a lot of content to get through with the 3.10 ptu but I'm dying for your next buy series for $400 price mark XD

[@kudos1729]

Thanks for this

[@Aussie_Birdman]

Hello Noobifier. Thanks so much for this video. I was having the same issues in 3.10 with my Virpil Dual Sticks. I cannot or don't know how to adjust my curves in SC as my sticks aren't listed in the first four controller HOTAS options in SC. One of my sticks is input 5. So I adjusted the curves for pitch, yaw and strafe left/right in the Viripl software. I set the axis curves to symetrical 5, 15, 30, 60 , 100, 100, 100,100, 100, 100. This definitely feels better. The advantage here is that every time a new patch is applied to SC I don't need to redo the curves but the downside is that this will take longer to change as the developers change and refine the flight model. Thanks again.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Didn’t even know SC would accept more than 4 inputs

[@Aussie_Birdman]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 , SC allows me to input 5 devices atm in the Joyticks/HOTAS advanced bindings. A Virpil Throttle, 2 Virpil Sticks, set of Virpil Pedals and a BlackHog controller. I have had up to 6 devices of this nature connected and all working at one stage.

[@anothergoogleuser]

Thanks for sharing.

[@dreave4399]

I like the curves, the only thing that is difficult is to adjust them from patch to patch, it's difficult to set a baseline for comparison between patches.

[@tsakanikasg]

Ok I’ll leave.....

[@DamonCzanik]

I found controlling bigger ships like the to be very difficult to do it accurately. I tend to oversteer and can't stop my crosshairs on my target. Only been a problem in 3.10, so I'll definitely give changing curves a try!

[@wingnuticus]

Been using curves forever on dual stick. It really helps on the aiming stick especially.

[@fleetscut]

Would curves help with launching/landing? I use dual stick, and after 3.10 every time i even just tap my stick axis for vertical thrust I rocket off the pad. Makes precision for takeoff/landing difficult. Especially in vtol crafts

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

That is what the throttle and acceleration limiters are for. Bind those

[@DeadlyInsite]

Exactly! My Cutlass has been impossible to land. I'll have to set up the limiter hot key and play with the curves for precision shooting.

[@thadvsoske8087]

Thanks for the curve adjustment tips, Noobifier!!

[@user-yc6sc4kt4v]

great update.

[@moomanseven]

You are my favorite KZbinr....No one else appreciates brevity as well as you do thank you so much!

[@cromwellw91]

Thanks Noob

[@crewman6954]

Thank you..

[@ianwilson4286]

Great info

[@3dVisualist]

Thanks so much for the tip. I’ve never adjusted the curves. This is an excellent explanation.

[@cybertaniwha]

Great, great, great, eager for an in-depth look at curve manipulation in the near future, as this is all still voodoo to me :)

[@TheKookyman]

Thank you sir

[@TommiVTi]

it's fine

[@tallll70]

i also have non removable dead zone in center on mouse yaw/pitch since around 3.8, much more difficult to keep on target now

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Dead Zone does not help anything

[@smatchimo645]

i finally found the setting for mouse deadzone. that was annoying.

[@jeromeblanchet685]

very usefull informations , thanks Noobifier !

[@JM_Retired]

Thanks!

[@rashi9538]

Thank you for the video. I will give it a try myself.

[@AerospaceGuy]

The delay is a bit like asteroids!! Lol it's interesting for sure!

[@bezdownunder5481]

Once the flight model calms down can you revisit this. I see a few changes happening and would be good to see if its something I need to actually do.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I’m already back to 1.2

[@bezdownunder5481]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Thanks

[@sunnyboy6251]

You got yourself a chair now?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

No, I have a couple sim rigs too..

[@nickokona6849]

Do you think single stick is viable if you’re not planning to dogfight or use fixed weapons?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It is possible, but you need a throttle.

[@nickokona6849]

TheNOOBIFIER1337 so single stick can work with gambled loadout? I guess you need a higher curve

[@taijeronv]

Wow, this is just the kind of "curves" tutorial I've been looking for. Most tuts explain how to create a curve but they don't get into comparing and contrasting different curve shapes. I like how you compared the effects to mouse precision, very well done and short. You've just made me a better pilot and I don't even play SC.

[@JagHiroshi]

S here

[@Rusty_Hill]

Ty for all the info., keep,em coming!

[@syrusmarks1]

Far more information then i expected. Thanks mate

[@Maldayne]

Thorough and well explained as always O7

[@tsakanikasg]

Guess the devs sure threw a curve-ball at us with this one ;)

[@Red-V-SB]

Iv always used custom steeper axes. To shorten the movement of my sticks

[@bkearney191]

Hi Noobifier, I know you have recently posted a video of your dual constellation alpha bindings, but I was wondering what changes you might have made based on the new targeting systems and additional key bindings in 3.10. I am purchasing dual alphas myself and I'm looking for a starting set of key bindings to begin testing once they arrive. Just a small suggestion for future content :) Thanks for all you do.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Nothing specific other than modified targeting stuff

[@kevlar099]

Very interesting! Need to experiment a little ^^