BETTER THAN BUSHINGS? Control Arm Bearings with Keith Tanner (FM Live 1-4-24)

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Flyin' Miata

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@LESHEWIN 8 ай бұрын

Amazing job guys! If you make some for the ND, I’m in!

@malice_wonderland 10 ай бұрын

I want them for the ND, how do I get on the notification list? :)

@FlyinMiataVideo 10 ай бұрын

We don't have a notification list, but all of our new products are on our website, and if you sign up for our newsletter, I'm sure we'll mention it if/when it becomes a part that we sell.

@Looo0007 7 ай бұрын

i'm a honda fit guy that's watching for ideas on what to improve/mod on my car. you guys are a bunch of technical "weight weenies", and i'm here for it.

@FlyinMiataVideo 7 ай бұрын

Some call it the four door Miata...

@TM-fx5le 6 ай бұрын

Probably sell it.. why would you choose a Honda fit if you want to do anything other than go to the grocery store

@Looo0007 6 ай бұрын

@@TM-fx5le they're simply a nice daily, man. fit a ton, and have you seen how many cupholders they have? lol not that bad in the twists either because of the low CoG and weight. just a bit more power would be appreciated, like maybe 20-50hp, or maybe 100kg less weight. more than enough for what it is.

@SkylineLofe 2 ай бұрын

@@TM-fx5le dude does NOT know anything about the Honda fit. Spoiler: they're amazing driving vehicles

@jakedougherty6000 10 ай бұрын

I'd love to see an update video in the future, especially on a daily. I'm one of those nutcases considering these for my daily/autox miata even though I plan on snowy roads at times. I'd love to hear from someone who has attempted this

@FlyinMiataVideo 9 ай бұрын

That's a good idea! We'll add it to the list of potential future videos. Keith has installed a set of these on his Targa car, which will see a fair bit of *very* hard use, but probably little to no use on snowy roads. Theoretically, the sealed bearings should hold up well to adverse weather.

@nviorres 10 ай бұрын

Please do the ND too!

@StoneyBalogney 10 ай бұрын

Thanks boss!!! Prob going this route!

@BushidoDriver 6 ай бұрын

Just like late braking corvettes on track; your timing is PERFECT! My local club just got a new site and it's awesome, but it's much smaller and lower speed than what we've run in the past (basically race tracks with cone elements or airstrips. I always thought it would be good to learn left for breaking but never had a good reason..... until now. I was giving the GT4's a run for their money, but understeer kept me from greatness, I think LFB could be a difference maker! 🤔 I should really upgrade to a dedicated camera setup this season too... 🙃

@FlyinMiataVideo 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and keeping those GT cars nervous.

@jeffreylyons1531 10 ай бұрын

I liked the enhanced nvh, I only drive this car to drive, I found the bearings (front end only, rear is poly, no real reason) made the driving a more visceral experience. If this is your fun car, do it.

@cpt_stvn 10 ай бұрын

I want them for the NC

@JohnDoe-ki6yd 3 ай бұрын

Waiting for the NC line!

@FlyinMiataVideo 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback - we can't promise an NC variant will be released soon, but it's on our radar.

@likethewords 10 ай бұрын

Why not also sell control arms with these pre-installed? Same goes for the others like rubber and poly?

@FlyinMiataVideo 10 ай бұрын

Our shipping and assembly team is busy enough as it is!

@JeremyHeinks 10 ай бұрын

When do we see the "you don't want the mush" T-shirts available on the website

@AztekScooters 10 ай бұрын

These sound awesome. I seem to recall you recommending against using control arms with heim joints/rod ends in a street car, due to the severe increase in NVH. In what ways are they different to cause little to no increase in NVH? Is there any sort of damping material between the outer race and the housing? Would using quality heim joints with a rubber dust boot cause much NVH in comparison to these?

@FlyinMiataVideo 10 ай бұрын

There is no special damping material here. They will change the nature of the suspension as described in the video. And we do believe these are more of a track-focused modification. The set that's shown off in the video is going into the Targa Miata, for example. That car has no interior. Quality heim joints (spherical bearings or rod ends) with good sealing and proper specification should work well, but those are difficult to arrange. Rubber dust boots on a generic spherical bearing don't seal as well as you might think, they really need to be integrated into the housing.

@mr1enrollment 10 ай бұрын

Keith: These look great! But not for an NC ND? Seems that is very often the case. How long before NC gets same available lovely parts attention? I LOVE MY NC, AND I AM INTERESTED IN PARTS! ;-}

@Caller5671 10 ай бұрын

Me need NC parts too! :)

@FlyinMiataVideo 10 ай бұрын

Our NC parts catalog definitely hasn't been the strongest, but we're working on changing that. :)

@mr.butterworth 10 ай бұрын

Because the core of Miata enthusiast activity is NA and NB, and always will be. And the NC is the least loved Miata.

@Caller5671 10 ай бұрын

@@mr.butterworth Not for long, NC’s are actually creating quite a following, especially as they are much more capable for track use. More rigid chassis, able to fit wider tires easily, bigger engine, 2.5 swap, bigger brakes, arguably better suspension design, more modern, more interior room, etc. As NA, and NB age out, their numbers will diminish and replaced with NC and ND. I was told that their is a spec Miata NC now and as such Mazda Motorsport is developing even more parts for the NC chassis. Its popularity will only continue to grow. Jump on the bandwagon now before prices climb.

@rafallo1333 9 ай бұрын

@@Caller5671 yeah, keep saying that to yourself haha

@supradoom 2 ай бұрын

I'm new to Miata's and I am loving your content, and your store. I came from the Z/G scene and I feel like you guys are the Z1 of the Miata world (compliment). That being said, the one thing that I've noticed browsing the site is that you are out of stock on a ton of items, that would be my only real complaint so far. You are going to lose customers purely because of the wait! Just trying to give you guys some constructive criticism. Z1 almost never was out of anything.

@FlyinMiataVideo 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and the input! Yeah, the out of stock issue is slowing getting addressed with updated software. It's been a long slug but we can see the light at the end.

@r000tbeer 8 ай бұрын

Another request for the ND variant.

@FlyinMiataVideo 8 ай бұрын

Understood! If we receive enough interest, it's very possible it will happen. No promises yet, though.

@jameshamlyn4172 10 ай бұрын

I wonder how many people knew who TVR was lol. We have a 2500 M in the city.

@chrisschneider7727 10 ай бұрын

Technical question, Rubber bearings allow slight deformation and nets slight toe in on heavy cornering allowing for easier corner navigation on track. Does having spherical bearings eliminate deflection of bushings and how does this affect track use and track times. Also, on northern cars, how would it deal with rust? Lastly, how are the spherical bearings sealed? If they ride on bearings I'm concerned on how resistant to dirt and dust from "standard" rain fall.

@FlyinMiataVideo 10 ай бұрын

The factory bushings do have differing durometers in the rear lower control arm to give a bit of toe change under side loads. Aftermarket bushings - rubber and poly alike - don't. The spherical bearings won't deflect at all, so the change in handling balance will be similar to installing poly or aftermarket rubber bushings. Track times should improve given the increased precision although it will be up to the driver to take advantage of that. The bearings are stainless steel and sealed, so they should survive the street environment. You can see the seals fairly close up in the video. They haven't been tested in northeast snow/salt conditions as that's not really their intended use.

@oFFpUDDING 10 ай бұрын

How come ya'll haven't done an installation video on the super pro polly bushings yet?

@FlyinMiataVideo 9 ай бұрын

That one is more straight forward and we thought everyone would fall asleep before it was over. SuperPro does have some older install videos on their direct site.

@marciosilva89 5 ай бұрын

We need them for the NC

@FlyinMiataVideo 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! We can't guarantee anything, but it's something we'll look into.

@badassnelson 8 ай бұрын

So these spherical bearings are essentially ball joints. So what im wondering is why are these used on these contol arms that move in a rotational way, instead of a ball/roller bearing? These spherical bearings are meant to pivot more than rotate right? I see how these would replace the vertically mounted compliance bushings on your typical FWD car, but i fail to understand how these are supposed to work in place of the horizontallly mounted bushings in these control arms in this video.

@FlyinMiataVideo 8 ай бұрын

Spherical bearings can move in multiple axes, and that's important in this case as they have to be able to deal with alignment changes. If they were simple roller bearings you wouldn't be able to adjust things like rear toe and camber, or caster and front camber. Those require the control arms to change angle relative to the subframe.

@richard-mai 8 ай бұрын

Does the ND have steel or aluminum control arms?

@FlyinMiataVideo 8 ай бұрын

The front control arms are aluminum.

@LateNightCable 10 ай бұрын

Question, would these spherical bearings perform well in a street driven car without coil-overs, but say Koni yellows?

@FlyinMiataVideo 10 ай бұрын

Certainly. There's nothing magic about coilovers. However, the more responsive the suspension is the more you'll be able to notice the decrease in deflection, so the effects might not be as obvious if you're running a softer setup.

@trentvlak 5 ай бұрын

Basically you're decreasing the low speed compression and rebound rate. Probably the LSC isn't something you'll notice, but definitely the rebound. How is the longevity?

@FlyinMiataVideo 5 ай бұрын

Our supplier has been running them for years on a track car but we've just installed them when this video launched. We think they'll last a good long time but haven't had time to test them to failure yet.

@agustinmorales4045 7 ай бұрын

Nd bearings would be sweet. And if some camber offset could be included that's even better.

@FlyinMiataVideo 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback!

@FlyinMiataVideo 7 ай бұрын

We appreciate hearing your feedback!

@SimonWorlds 5 күн бұрын

Delrin without the downsides 😉

@FlyinMiataVideo 5 күн бұрын

I know! It is possible :)

@Polybush_UK 5 ай бұрын

We could make it less difficult for you to find our bushes in the US... ;) Drop us an email!

@axledog7297 10 ай бұрын

Another ND vote!

@JabariHJ-hb7kl 5 ай бұрын

What are the spherical bearings made of

@FlyinMiataVideo 5 ай бұрын

They're made of specially-plated Chromoly and are sealed against dirt and water intrusion.

@jaimegrant784 8 ай бұрын

Do you have one for the rear upper knuckle for an NA?

@FlyinMiataVideo 7 ай бұрын

Yes, those are included with the complete kit. :)

@jaimegrant784 7 ай бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo Is it possible to get those outside of the kit. Reason being that I am working on a custom car utilizing NA rear knuckles. So I just need those particular bushings. I was going to go with Delrin, but I understand that is the most important place for the spherical, due to the binding problem.

@FlyinMiataVideo 7 ай бұрын

@@jaimegrant784 I'm afraid they're only available with a complete kit - sorry!