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@duckgamer70953 ай бұрын
When I first saw some of these modifiers, I thought, "Man, a lot of this is quite similar to stuff from Blood on the Clocktower." So I'm really glad that you mentioned it so I know I'm not crazy
@potatorat25083 ай бұрын
I saw the illu ability and I was like “Vortox?? He’s adding fucking Vortox too??”
@denversan42053 ай бұрын
You forgor to mention that for every day that the Egoist is alive, the days/nights speed up by 20%. ALSO, THE KING HAS RETURNED!!! #justicehasbeendeliveredforexecutioner
@leemarcus61233 ай бұрын
i feel like betterTOS is becoming a sort of test server for TOS2 to see what could be a good rework/change/addition to the main game without any major backlash. I like this ngl
@LAZERAK47V23 ай бұрын
Cursed Souls operating as Dopplegangers (taking someone's identity and killing them) is actually pretty cool.
@haydenhully3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@runic30633 ай бұрын
Is Pariah party even possible for town with Compliant Killers on? Just imagine Judge + Auditor harassing every tpow from game start
@eclipsemoonishere3 ай бұрын
LMFAO that would be VERY VERY funny
@hypercrafting3 ай бұрын
from what i understand, compliance only unifies NK, not other neutrals
@iexplodonateri73783 ай бұрын
Pariah would technically be allied with Compliant since both want Town gone
@Mostwanted124353 ай бұрын
Yes they would be allied, but nps wouldn’t know who nks are
@lionbreaker08523 ай бұрын
yeh compliant killers has no effect on pariah party, the only role added to the compliance faction would be the sk (still recruited of course), meaning they do get a dead chat, but no one is actually in that chat.
@therealsuper58283 ай бұрын
very interesting! this also makes it so that starspawns can claim crusader making tos2 more of a social deduction game overall
@user-ps5ip7le5j2 ай бұрын
I understand that you probably don't want a 5th apocalypse but there is another horseman name, Conquest, first horseman of the apocalypse that you could use instead of reusing Death. You could also make it so plaugebearer and warlock are mutually exclusive, as a reference to the fact that people often forget about Conquest and substitute in Pestilence. It doesn't make perfect sense according to the abilities but I feel that an opportunity is being lost
@micha87013 ай бұрын
So deputy is kinda worst veteran since they don't have basic defense. 9:17 I will repeat it. Crusader become problem since they replaced mafia with apoc(full immune team), removing half of evils you could kill.
@noahthesk3 ай бұрын
all of the reworks seem pretty good I especially agree with CS it gives it more breathing room to take action
@azatellatia2773 ай бұрын
The now main thing for #crusader is I've been getting blocked multiple times as a TI, as they go in conf targets, now forcing LO's and Psy's to roam on randos, cutting their power in a bad chunk.
@bartudundar31933 ай бұрын
Isn't LO astral?
@maddoxgood63963 ай бұрын
@@bartudundar3193 In BTOS2 its just TOS1 LO
@Galaxy82_3 ай бұрын
@@bartudundar3193 in the base game yes, but not in btos2
@danolantern60303 ай бұрын
I mean… at least they don’t kill them. Still kinda shoddy though.
@donaldjgumpofficial57542 ай бұрын
Just make Crusader target prioritise non-town before town.
@cristianelizondo24773 ай бұрын
You know, Im excited to see the new acolytes for every role, and overall of this update (even though I dont play) One question I have though is related to the "Mass Hysteria", which has every enemy investigative role get wrong results, but one that is left out is the Baker. My pitch of this change is that they get some random role, and they dont get the roles of anyone visiting the player with bread. Edit: I now have more roles, but I have some ideas: Werewolf (same as tracker), Arsonist (they dont see the players who visited them as doused and they dont know that). The only ones that would not be affected are those that want to see town lose, such as egotist and NPs.
@Jsuelieta3 ай бұрын
Cursed Soul seems like Executioner with extra steps if it's a solo CS. Swap souls, figure out who has it, get 'em lynched, win. Seems really friendly to coven since it's like, get a coven role, let coven swap with someone else, work together to get rid of the new cursed soul.
@fitmotheyap3 ай бұрын
BetterToS is getting more than main game at this rate 😭
@nicolaasvanvliet-hg3iu3 ай бұрын
It should be added to the main game, it’d make sense, I mean he is a dev.
@krisfog89083 ай бұрын
@@nicolaasvanvliet-hg3iuIt can't. It's not compatible with mobile Would take a lot more work.
@nicolaasvanvliet-hg3iu3 ай бұрын
@@krisfog8908 why can’t it be compatible with mobile though? It’d be in the same way that TOS 2 is compatible with mobile now, also I’m not saying add all of it at once, just bits at a time, I mean it’s not like simple changes like dep or crus would be much of a problem I mean, how hard can making text be? They already have the code for blocking people from visiting I’d imagine, and dep is just crus with extra steps.
@smellslikeanvil92573 ай бұрын
I have a few questions about executioner rework: Does the trial denial ability block the abilities of Prosecutor and Marshal? How do people will deal with Death if yesterday Executioner has gotten their target successfully hung? Death's only reliable weakness is getting hung at a trial. Same question applies to other horsemen, but in weaker scale.
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
Prosecutor can still prosecute
@reculverinalchemist3 ай бұрын
@@TubaAntics Assuming the game puts a prosecutor in rolelist, or they live long enough.
@hi1234520083 ай бұрын
Seems like a good incentive for Apoc to help the Exe.
@4amtoast3 ай бұрын
I think one of the only complaint that I have that you can't disabled and/or edit parts of them mod example depending on the lobby they may just be a group of friends and they find it funnier if the normal tos2 version of executioner existed instead of the new modded one but they don't want to just not play the mod for one role or they may say that they like how trickster works but they prefer if they had infinite mirror instead of three -modded among us player
@axelitygaming3 ай бұрын
god bless for this changelog video tuba🙏🙏🙏🙏
@HaapsaluYT3 ай бұрын
Cursed soul goes hard as fuck! Makes it less likely for people to claim CS right away
@sabarathore51742 ай бұрын
I thought of different sub-alignments for compliant killers, arso, ww, vamp, jackal, judge, and cs are all neutral power, shroud, sk, exe, doom, pirate, are all neutral killing, and auditor and jest are neutral utility. I also made reworks for all the roles to make it seem more like a team like coven. exe no longer leaves town, instead, you get a new target if yours gets lynched/dies, you still get to torment, this is to prevent 1f1s as it's not beneficial for an evil team. Jester gets 1 haunt, and all other nights after being lynched, you can heal and illusion your teammates. Doom rework is the same as exe rework, and pirate too.
@dumblenutz55613 ай бұрын
Thanks for the informative video, been needing this
@planetarycollusion23563 ай бұрын
same
@Spaghettitron3 ай бұрын
i just want to say, Tuba, thank you for the awesome reworks to some of these roles as they so desperately needed them! i look forward to seeing how the gameplay for them will shift and i certainly hope to see some of these changes ported over to the vanilla game
@nightskyedits8886Ай бұрын
These are creative reworks, and I know I’m late, but I feel like a good way to fix Crusader would just be to make it attack a random visitor if your target is attacked, right now I feel like your fix makes it overlap with socialite a bit too much.
@foibos._.2 ай бұрын
is there a reason why CL can't morph CK at all? Allowing it to morph a CK once provided one isn't already in game doesn't sound like a bad idea, but maybe that would still make the game unbalanced?
@MintyFreshToS3 ай бұрын
LIL MONSTA!!
@aptokro30053 ай бұрын
WORTOXX!!
@deskolaby5943 ай бұрын
LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY CRUSADER
@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo3 күн бұрын
9:06 Crus is lime Starspawn rather than lime jinx now
@Obsructor23 ай бұрын
Loving the new modifiers and very interesting reworks. I was wondering how the Apoc faction would get new roles because of the “4 Horseman” stuff going on, Warlock being introduced was shocking and I think the right way to introduce more roles to the faction. Apoc is gonna remind me of Coven in TOS1. Not a big fan of the Deputy change, just seems like a Trickster but nerfed, but we’ll see. Exe is suprising, and I’m pretty happy with the change , it makes me playing Silent SK more accessible. CL, is interesting, does CL still get the book first? Crusader change is pretty nice, this opens a little bit more room and nerfs TT crusader. CS, I have no say, haven’t played yet.
@SirRafarga3 ай бұрын
These sound fun, cant wait to see some games with the reworks
@forgottenetremembered3 ай бұрын
I actually had the idea of visiting bookholder's target as a similar condition for a Framer rework (in the Mafia rework thread), where I used the Mafioso's target. Also, to point out, Cursed Souls aren't really a faction anymore. They don't really concretely have to oppose Town, Coven, Apocalypse, Pandora, Serial Killer, Shroud, Werewolf, Arsonist, Compliance, Vampires, or Jackal. Neither are they able to draw, which is common to all factions.
@kitty12yt-Twitch3 ай бұрын
@TubaAntics you should let the dead whisper to the other dead privately and maybe the people who are alive as well! Also love the content!
@FeyPhantom3 ай бұрын
I definitely think most of the changes are interesting in a positive way. The one I'm really struggling with is Deputy. I get that your aim is to slow down the game, but without it being constantly more-than-5-day games where the dep lives past day 5, I don't think the dep is going to ever have a good time. First, you have to figure out someone sus that you want to shoot, then you have to figure out who they're likely to go on and pray. But if they're non-visiting (like Jester/Rit) you're out of luck and can never shoot them even though they're evil, and you might camp outside a killer's target but not have marked a killer, just an evil who goes to unexpected houses (like PM/Baker). I dunno, I'll have to experience more of it, but on paper it seems reeeaaally weak to me and I'd rather just play as vigi or vet, even trick who can at least read into who might be attacked to use their ability properly.
@cursedhfy35583 ай бұрын
I actually really love TOS2 exe tbh.
@Lottie_Latte3 ай бұрын
This is good but 1 little thing. If illu uses that ability, and psychic gets random results, then that basically outs illu being in game because the target they visited didn't appear in the vision
@Lottie_Latte3 ай бұрын
And also crus shouldnt block lookout (making lo astral again would fix)
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
They get their target and 2 random results.
@wontontavious3 ай бұрын
EXE IS SO BACK 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
@Dragon_ait3 ай бұрын
Yes, exe being confirmed and immovable seems so broken
@wontontavious3 ай бұрын
@@Dragon_ait legit tos1 exe but better(tos1 exe was the best btw 🤫🤫🤫🤫)
@colorlessink3 ай бұрын
CL rework goes hard. Nerfed the deputy pretty hard tho, town can't mutiple day kill now, dep claims can't prove at day & will basically be lynched like vigilante since Coven will fake claim dep instead of vigi 🤣
@ethanvon2223 ай бұрын
So psychic is just unaffected by hysteria, great
@Dragon_ait3 ай бұрын
Compliant killers (nks) with night chat would be too strong, unless the nks need to hit themselves at night to "find" each other (getting notification + reveal to both parties + night chat?)
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
It's a modifier for a reason can be not enabled
@gatimax73 ай бұрын
Can wildling still see secret whispers?
@fortunateharmony3 ай бұрын
That actually is a good question. If they can't, it might be considered to be modified or at worst a banned role. I'm curious about what the answer is going to be for your question, bud.
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
Yes they can
@gatimax73 ай бұрын
Can you pass the necronomicon to change who the coven VIP is?
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
Yeah thats the whole point of it
@nikifor693 ай бұрын
Is it possible for an Unknown Obstacle to be a modifier instead of rework? The idea looks fun but can quickly become frustrating (for me at least). That's be really cool to have a choice whether to play with UO or not and just get all these old notifications
@hword5notsoofficial8033 ай бұрын
People really like BOTC huh, so many references to it
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
It's a good game but it takes too long and quite hard to get into, and theres the thing where not everyone might be comfortable VCing. people are trying to get me into streaming it but I doubt it will happen
@hword5notsoofficial8033 ай бұрын
@@TubaAntics Suprised you didn't mention that the coven leader was like the Pit hag from BOTC as well if you made the first two references
@chassano94313 ай бұрын
Tbh I don't like the new Coven Leader. Coven Leader was already balanced since they can overpower at the price of defense.
@Minister_for_Grass3 ай бұрын
Does Warlock still get souls if their target abstains? If not I think it might create an abstaining problem, a few people guilty and the rest abstain.
@sgt.zaitsev2873 ай бұрын
Man i wish some of this could be ported to the base game
@aptokro30053 ай бұрын
When will you make a tutorial on downloading the mod to epic games
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
I forgot to clarify in the video. Epic Games support hasn't made it yet because the process is far more complicated than I thought and I have to coordinate with the BMG team for it . And S3 is the top priority rn on the BMG side of things so it might unfortunately delay. However I've put in the codebase except the authentication , meaning it will just require a server reset than a whole patch for it when it's time for it.
@danolantern60303 ай бұрын
I’m glad for the Deputy rework. Still a shame though, the initial concept was such a gangsta role and it’s a shame _PROSECUTOR_ had to take its niche. Edit: I’m not quite sure about the Dep rework, and Crusader rework sounds great, but it seems people are complaining about other Cruses going on confirmed targets and not being able to actually confirm them. Also i’m not sure about Warlock either.
@Kejmur3 ай бұрын
Adding a one-time basic defense for Bodyguard could be an option? It would be just nice to give Bodyguard a defending option to protect someone, and not just die. But at the risk of Powerful Attack going through anyway. I personally liked Survivor in ToS1, but I can understand why many people also didn't like it as the 'kingmaker' type of deal, so Survivor needing to survive let's say 3-4 turns could be a goal before they move on like Neutral Evil roles, with just 1-2 vests or something? Guardian Angel could be interesting to see return as well, but it would need some changes, as I particularly never liked them becoming Jester after their target dies, and them auto-losing, once one dies, would be harsh. Anyway this update does look fun, so good job on it ;).
@TheGhostOfHallownest3 ай бұрын
Coven VIP makes you want to be anything but coven
@adamjannet41223 ай бұрын
FINALLY, someone knows blood on the clocktower, but i'm not gonna lie, i think dep/exe/CS reworks are kinda meh. The rest is alr
@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo3 ай бұрын
8:52 so !Cus is now a Green or Lime Starspawn?
@fishzane2873 ай бұрын
So the Coven Leader rework can morph any coven except CK? Watch as the coven just achieve hex bomb because the CL morphed the enchanter
@peterdixon76733 ай бұрын
Executioner lynch will win the game in apocalypse gamemodes if its right before a transformation.
@haydenhully3 ай бұрын
Would it be cool if there was phariah town like jusge on town
@dragonunharm3 ай бұрын
good update vid for the mod!
@thetaomnicron17573 ай бұрын
i love the illu rework, its not useless anymore
@ZaTrapu3 ай бұрын
Imo solo cs has it the easiest since they only have get 1 person rather than multiple
@manan678913 ай бұрын
needed this,,,, i only play regular all any
@4ovaknd9673 ай бұрын
Rolelist with Pandoras box and complaint killers now plz
@BirikinPrimary3 ай бұрын
I have to say alot of things 1st things 1st : Neutral Evils meant to be evil for "Anybody" not specificly town so more than safe to say they are deeks and/or crownmakers I definetly say you are %100 wrong about Exe rework cuz Exe doesnt have to be evil just for townies as other evils like SK,Coven simply can out them like "This guy is immune" and ruin their good day so 2nd : Give Coroner a Cor-o-ner ffs! Illusionist ability that fools Coroner? %100 bruh moment imo
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
The role is designed around mislynching. Sure Doomsayer works for anti-everyone concept but Exe was designed around mislynching. Getting that town mislynched. Current exe is really bad and even if this rework is not the right answer, I believe exe needs a rework still. I can go on and give you examples why current Exe does not work. - You are Sheriff who found a member of the Coven suspicious, you successfully get them upped and lynched and you that you were correct. Suddenly you die to torment because an Exe was randomly on them. - You are a Coven member and your teammate has been outed, in order to not look suspicious you make sure to guilty them when they are being lynched. Suddenly you die to torment because an Exe was randomly on them. - You are a Shroud who tricks an Investigator into finding the player you enshrouded with blood. You have successfully tricked the town with your ability and got this player lynched. Suddenly you die to torment because an Exe was randomly on them. You can see how exe is so unfun to play against and how Torment ruins the game. That's why something had to be done at least is being tried out here.
@BirikinPrimary3 ай бұрын
@@TubaAntics I mean no denials on your point but like i said Neutral Evils arent just specificly evil to townies otherwise why not put them in neutral pariah? cuz i believe Neutral Pariah is as long as town loses i win type of Neutral i believe Also what about my Coroner part?
@boevoikrikun3 ай бұрын
Pretty nice reworks. Hope nothing of that ever reaches vanilla game
@ganpapa34563 ай бұрын
Was that sarcasm ?
@boevoikrikun3 ай бұрын
@@ganpapa3456 not at all. These changes are good for this community, and will make a good content for the video. However for vanilla game they would be a disaster.
@valutakoshelok28793 ай бұрын
Can the reworked Marshal use tribunal ability twice in the same day?
@SirenPandaSabo3 ай бұрын
No.
@FDS-ht7tt3 ай бұрын
I didnt understand the snitch one can someone tell me in a simple way?
@SirenPandaSabo3 ай бұрын
Snitch reveals 3 town roles that are not in the game to the evils.
@morwe_3 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@haydenhully3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah like last week i went against a warlock
@cynicalnightmare11083 ай бұрын
Not the biggest fan of Marshall change simply because it's called a "Tri"bunal (tri- prefix means 3) and im OCD lol
@Pam2343 ай бұрын
Deputy seems like worse vigi tbh now
@UsrnamePending3 ай бұрын
I honestly think this makes crus worse than bg, and bg still is a feelsbad role
@PhantomDogman3 ай бұрын
Exe retwork is mix between Tos 1 exe, and Throne of Lies fool, except you need to lynch town instead of yourself.
@PhantomDogman3 ай бұрын
But exe targeting only town than it's feels NP instead of NE. Sure also evils won't have option to mislynch without a trial but most likely it hurts mostly town not having a trial.
@The3OfSwords3 ай бұрын
After seeing chilledchaos vod these changes suck, go and read his chat people weren't happy.
@coricoriiander3 ай бұрын
Sigh, what is it with Chilled viewers not understanding that most people don't play the game like they do. The changes are fine, they're very good for a text-based lobby that wants to play seriously. Chilled's lobby plays through voice chat and goof off a lot more. Obviously these changes wouldn't appeal to them.
@TubaAntics3 ай бұрын
I was watching the stream myself. These changes are made for a 15 player game their lobby is usually 12 players . Only thing I will agree is the dep rework , old dep was more fun to play yeah and the new rework might be quite sluggish but that's the point of modded, we test changes to see if they will stick out we're actively listening to feedback.
@NicoTheCinderace3 ай бұрын
:real: :bread:
@universalperson3 ай бұрын
Wait, what does Snitch do?
@SirenPandaSabo3 ай бұрын
Snitch reveals 3 town roles that are not in play to all the evils.
@universalperson3 ай бұрын
@@SirenPandaSabo thx
@Rus.or.Grob....vambass3 ай бұрын
For some reason I hate the new dep its like playing tt seer or invest
@gubernator48143 ай бұрын
He talk????!!! NO way
@morwe_3 ай бұрын
thank you btw it was very confusing
@charasity78703 ай бұрын
Arson (ist)
@7jm3 ай бұрын
8:19 so you basically made deputy a veteran ????
@Oshroth3 ай бұрын
It seems more like an offensive Lookout. You mark targets during the day and if they visit your night target, then you shoot and kill them
@GayAndAce3 ай бұрын
I like the marshal rework that gives evils more of a chance, I had a pandora TT game where I was Judge and marsh used they're ability but I had enough time to reveal and hijack their tribunal and vote townies out (Including them ofc).
@theprofessionalidiot12563 ай бұрын
Shroud Invincible Defense when (real)
@Trimman-rq4kl3 ай бұрын
this update has already given me warlock 3 times. makeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstop