BETTERTOS2 V1.2 ALL CHANGES / REWORKS EXPLAINED

[@TubaAntics]

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[@duckgamer7095]

When I first saw some of these modifiers, I thought, "Man, a lot of this is quite similar to stuff from Blood on the Clocktower." So I'm really glad that you mentioned it so I know I'm not crazy

[@potatorat2508]

I saw the illu ability and I was like “Vortox?? He’s adding fucking Vortox too??”

[@denversan4205]

You forgor to mention that for every day that the Egoist is alive, the days/nights speed up by 20%. ALSO, THE KING HAS RETURNED!!! #justicehasbeendeliveredforexecutioner

[@leemarcus6123]

i feel like betterTOS is becoming a sort of test server for TOS2 to see what could be a good rework/change/addition to the main game without any major backlash. I like this ngl

[@LAZERAK47V2]

Cursed Souls operating as Dopplegangers (taking someone's identity and killing them) is actually pretty cool.

[@haydenhully]

Agreed

[@runic3063]

Is Pariah party even possible for town with Compliant Killers on? Just imagine Judge + Auditor harassing every tpow from game start

[@eclipsemoonishere]

LMFAO that would be VERY VERY funny

[@hypercrafting]

from what i understand, compliance only unifies NK, not other neutrals

[@iexplodonateri7378]

Pariah would technically be allied with Compliant since both want Town gone

[@Mostwanted12435]

Yes they would be allied, but nps wouldn’t know who nks are

[@lionbreaker0852]

yeh compliant killers has no effect on pariah party, the only role added to the compliance faction would be the sk (still recruited of course), meaning they do get a dead chat, but no one is actually in that chat.

[@therealsuper5828]

very interesting! this also makes it so that starspawns can claim crusader making tos2 more of a social deduction game overall

[@user-ps5ip7le5j]

I understand that you probably don't want a 5th apocalypse but there is another horseman name, Conquest, first horseman of the apocalypse that you could use instead of reusing Death. You could also make it so plaugebearer and warlock are mutually exclusive, as a reference to the fact that people often forget about Conquest and substitute in Pestilence. It doesn't make perfect sense according to the abilities but I feel that an opportunity is being lost

[@micha8701]

So deputy is kinda worst veteran since they don't have basic defense. 9:17 I will repeat it. Crusader become problem since they replaced mafia with apoc(full immune team), removing half of evils you could kill.

[@noahthesk]

all of the reworks seem pretty good I especially agree with CS it gives it more breathing room to take action

[@azatellatia277]

The now main thing for #crusader is I've been getting blocked multiple times as a TI, as they go in conf targets, now forcing LO's and Psy's to roam on randos, cutting their power in a bad chunk.

[@bartudundar3193]

Isn't LO astral?

[@maddoxgood6396]

@@bartudundar3193 In BTOS2 its just TOS1 LO

[@Galaxy82_]

@@bartudundar3193 in the base game yes, but not in btos2

[@danolantern6030]

I mean… at least they don’t kill them. Still kinda shoddy though.

[@donaldjgumpofficial5754]

Just make Crusader target prioritise non-town before town.

[@cristianelizondo2477]

You know, Im excited to see the new acolytes for every role, and overall of this update (even though I dont play) One question I have though is related to the "Mass Hysteria", which has every enemy investigative role get wrong results, but one that is left out is the Baker. My pitch of this change is that they get some random role, and they dont get the roles of anyone visiting the player with bread. Edit: I now have more roles, but I have some ideas: Werewolf (same as tracker), Arsonist (they dont see the players who visited them as doused and they dont know that). The only ones that would not be affected are those that want to see town lose, such as egotist and NPs.

[@Jsuelieta]

Cursed Soul seems like Executioner with extra steps if it's a solo CS. Swap souls, figure out who has it, get 'em lynched, win. Seems really friendly to coven since it's like, get a coven role, let coven swap with someone else, work together to get rid of the new cursed soul.

[@fitmotheyap]

BetterToS is getting more than main game at this rate 😭

[@nicolaasvanvliet-hg3iu]

It should be added to the main game, it’d make sense, I mean he is a dev.

[@krisfog8908]

​​@@nicolaasvanvliet-hg3iuIt can't. It's not compatible with mobile Would take a lot more work.

[@nicolaasvanvliet-hg3iu]

@@krisfog8908 why can’t it be compatible with mobile though? It’d be in the same way that TOS 2 is compatible with mobile now, also I’m not saying add all of it at once, just bits at a time, I mean it’s not like simple changes like dep or crus would be much of a problem I mean, how hard can making text be? They already have the code for blocking people from visiting I’d imagine, and dep is just crus with extra steps.

[@smellslikeanvil9257]

I have a few questions about executioner rework: Does the trial denial ability block the abilities of Prosecutor and Marshal? How do people will deal with Death if yesterday Executioner has gotten their target successfully hung? Death's only reliable weakness is getting hung at a trial. Same question applies to other horsemen, but in weaker scale.

[@TubaAntics]

Prosecutor can still prosecute

[@reculverinalchemist]

@@TubaAntics Assuming the game puts a prosecutor in rolelist, or they live long enough.

[@hi123452008]

Seems like a good incentive for Apoc to help the Exe.

[@4amtoast]

I think one of the only complaint that I have that you can't disabled and/or edit parts of them mod example depending on the lobby they may just be a group of friends and they find it funnier if the normal tos2 version of executioner existed instead of the new modded one but they don't want to just not play the mod for one role or they may say that they like how trickster works but they prefer if they had infinite mirror instead of three -modded among us player

[@axelitygaming]

god bless for this changelog video tuba🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@HaapsaluYT]

Cursed soul goes hard as fuck! Makes it less likely for people to claim CS right away

[@sabarathore5174]

I thought of different sub-alignments for compliant killers, arso, ww, vamp, jackal, judge, and cs are all neutral power, shroud, sk, exe, doom, pirate, are all neutral killing, and auditor and jest are neutral utility. I also made reworks for all the roles to make it seem more like a team like coven. exe no longer leaves town, instead, you get a new target if yours gets lynched/dies, you still get to torment, this is to prevent 1f1s as it's not beneficial for an evil team. Jester gets 1 haunt, and all other nights after being lynched, you can heal and illusion your teammates. Doom rework is the same as exe rework, and pirate too.

[@dumblenutz5561]

Thanks for the informative video, been needing this

[@planetarycollusion2356]

same

[@Spaghettitron]

i just want to say, Tuba, thank you for the awesome reworks to some of these roles as they so desperately needed them! i look forward to seeing how the gameplay for them will shift and i certainly hope to see some of these changes ported over to the vanilla game

[@nightskyedits8886]

These are creative reworks, and I know I’m late, but I feel like a good way to fix Crusader would just be to make it attack a random visitor if your target is attacked, right now I feel like your fix makes it overlap with socialite a bit too much.

[@foibos._.]

is there a reason why CL can't morph CK at all? Allowing it to morph a CK once provided one isn't already in game doesn't sound like a bad idea, but maybe that would still make the game unbalanced?

[@MintyFreshToS]

LIL MONSTA!!

[@aptokro3005]

WORTOXX!!

[@deskolaby594]

LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY CRUSADER

[@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo]

9:06 Crus is lime Starspawn rather than lime jinx now

[@Obsructor2]

Loving the new modifiers and very interesting reworks. I was wondering how the Apoc faction would get new roles because of the “4 Horseman” stuff going on, Warlock being introduced was shocking and I think the right way to introduce more roles to the faction. Apoc is gonna remind me of Coven in TOS1. Not a big fan of the Deputy change, just seems like a Trickster but nerfed, but we’ll see. Exe is suprising, and I’m pretty happy with the change , it makes me playing Silent SK more accessible. CL, is interesting, does CL still get the book first? Crusader change is pretty nice, this opens a little bit more room and nerfs TT crusader. CS, I have no say, haven’t played yet.

[@SirRafarga]

These sound fun, cant wait to see some games with the reworks

[@forgottenetremembered]

I actually had the idea of visiting bookholder's target as a similar condition for a Framer rework (in the Mafia rework thread), where I used the Mafioso's target. Also, to point out, Cursed Souls aren't really a faction anymore. They don't really concretely have to oppose Town, Coven, Apocalypse, Pandora, Serial Killer, Shroud, Werewolf, Arsonist, Compliance, Vampires, or Jackal. Neither are they able to draw, which is common to all factions.

[@kitty12yt-Twitch]

@TubaAntics you should let the dead whisper to the other dead privately and maybe the people who are alive as well! Also love the content!

[@FeyPhantom]

I definitely think most of the changes are interesting in a positive way. The one I'm really struggling with is Deputy. I get that your aim is to slow down the game, but without it being constantly more-than-5-day games where the dep lives past day 5, I don't think the dep is going to ever have a good time. First, you have to figure out someone sus that you want to shoot, then you have to figure out who they're likely to go on and pray. But if they're non-visiting (like Jester/Rit) you're out of luck and can never shoot them even though they're evil, and you might camp outside a killer's target but not have marked a killer, just an evil who goes to unexpected houses (like PM/Baker). I dunno, I'll have to experience more of it, but on paper it seems reeeaaally weak to me and I'd rather just play as vigi or vet, even trick who can at least read into who might be attacked to use their ability properly.

[@cursedhfy3558]

I actually really love TOS2 exe tbh.

[@Lottie_Latte]

This is good but 1 little thing. If illu uses that ability, and psychic gets random results, then that basically outs illu being in game because the target they visited didn't appear in the vision

[@Lottie_Latte]

And also crus shouldnt block lookout (making lo astral again would fix)

[@TubaAntics]

They get their target and 2 random results.

[@wontontavious]

EXE IS SO BACK 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@Dragon_ait]

Yes, exe being confirmed and immovable seems so broken

[@wontontavious]

@@Dragon_ait legit tos1 exe but better(tos1 exe was the best btw 🤫🤫🤫🤫)

[@colorlessink]

CL rework goes hard. Nerfed the deputy pretty hard tho, town can't mutiple day kill now, dep claims can't prove at day & will basically be lynched like vigilante since Coven will fake claim dep instead of vigi 🤣

[@ethanvon222]

So psychic is just unaffected by hysteria, great

[@Dragon_ait]

Compliant killers (nks) with night chat would be too strong, unless the nks need to hit themselves at night to "find" each other (getting notification + reveal to both parties + night chat?)

[@TubaAntics]

It's a modifier for a reason can be not enabled

[@gatimax7]

Can wildling still see secret whispers?

[@fortunateharmony]

That actually is a good question. If they can't, it might be considered to be modified or at worst a banned role. I'm curious about what the answer is going to be for your question, bud.

[@TubaAntics]

Yes they can

[@gatimax7]

Can you pass the necronomicon to change who the coven VIP is?

[@TubaAntics]

Yeah thats the whole point of it

[@nikifor69]

Is it possible for an Unknown Obstacle to be a modifier instead of rework? The idea looks fun but can quickly become frustrating (for me at least). That's be really cool to have a choice whether to play with UO or not and just get all these old notifications

[@hword5notsoofficial803]

People really like BOTC huh, so many references to it

[@TubaAntics]

It's a good game but it takes too long and quite hard to get into, and theres the thing where not everyone might be comfortable VCing. people are trying to get me into streaming it but I doubt it will happen

[@hword5notsoofficial803]

@@TubaAntics Suprised you didn't mention that the coven leader was like the Pit hag from BOTC as well if you made the first two references

[@chassano9431]

Tbh I don't like the new Coven Leader. Coven Leader was already balanced since they can overpower at the price of defense.

[@Minister_for_Grass]

Does Warlock still get souls if their target abstains? If not I think it might create an abstaining problem, a few people guilty and the rest abstain.

[@sgt.zaitsev287]

Man i wish some of this could be ported to the base game

[@aptokro3005]

When will you make a tutorial on downloading the mod to epic games

[@TubaAntics]

I forgot to clarify in the video. Epic Games support hasn't made it yet because the process is far more complicated than I thought and I have to coordinate with the BMG team for it . And S3 is the top priority rn on the BMG side of things so it might unfortunately delay. However I've put in the codebase except the authentication , meaning it will just require a server reset than a whole patch for it when it's time for it.

[@danolantern6030]

I’m glad for the Deputy rework. Still a shame though, the initial concept was such a gangsta role and it’s a shame _PROSECUTOR_ had to take its niche. Edit: I’m not quite sure about the Dep rework, and Crusader rework sounds great, but it seems people are complaining about other Cruses going on confirmed targets and not being able to actually confirm them. Also i’m not sure about Warlock either.

[@Kejmur]

Adding a one-time basic defense for Bodyguard could be an option? It would be just nice to give Bodyguard a defending option to protect someone, and not just die. But at the risk of Powerful Attack going through anyway. I personally liked Survivor in ToS1, but I can understand why many people also didn't like it as the 'kingmaker' type of deal, so Survivor needing to survive let's say 3-4 turns could be a goal before they move on like Neutral Evil roles, with just 1-2 vests or something? Guardian Angel could be interesting to see return as well, but it would need some changes, as I particularly never liked them becoming Jester after their target dies, and them auto-losing, once one dies, would be harsh. Anyway this update does look fun, so good job on it ;).

[@TheGhostOfHallownest]

Coven VIP makes you want to be anything but coven

[@adamjannet4122]

FINALLY, someone knows blood on the clocktower, but i'm not gonna lie, i think dep/exe/CS reworks are kinda meh. The rest is alr

[@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo]

8:52 so !Cus is now a Green or Lime Starspawn?

[@fishzane287]

So the Coven Leader rework can morph any coven except CK? Watch as the coven just achieve hex bomb because the CL morphed the enchanter

[@peterdixon7673]

Executioner lynch will win the game in apocalypse gamemodes if its right before a transformation.

[@haydenhully]

Would it be cool if there was phariah town like jusge on town

[@dragonunharm]

good update vid for the mod!

[@thetaomnicron1757]

i love the illu rework, its not useless anymore

[@ZaTrapu]

Imo solo cs has it the easiest since they only have get 1 person rather than multiple

[@manan67891]

needed this,,,, i only play regular all any

[@4ovaknd967]

Rolelist with Pandoras box and complaint killers now plz

[@BirikinPrimary]

I have to say alot of things 1st things 1st : Neutral Evils meant to be evil for "Anybody" not specificly town so more than safe to say they are deeks and/or crownmakers I definetly say you are %100 wrong about Exe rework cuz Exe doesnt have to be evil just for townies as other evils like SK,Coven simply can out them like "This guy is immune" and ruin their good day so 2nd : Give Coroner a Cor-o-ner ffs! Illusionist ability that fools Coroner? %100 bruh moment imo

[@TubaAntics]

The role is designed around mislynching. Sure Doomsayer works for anti-everyone concept but Exe was designed around mislynching. Getting that town mislynched. Current exe is really bad and even if this rework is not the right answer, I believe exe needs a rework still. I can go on and give you examples why current Exe does not work. - You are Sheriff who found a member of the Coven suspicious, you successfully get them upped and lynched and you that you were correct. Suddenly you die to torment because an Exe was randomly on them. - You are a Coven member and your teammate has been outed, in order to not look suspicious you make sure to guilty them when they are being lynched. Suddenly you die to torment because an Exe was randomly on them. - You are a Shroud who tricks an Investigator into finding the player you enshrouded with blood. You have successfully tricked the town with your ability and got this player lynched. Suddenly you die to torment because an Exe was randomly on them. You can see how exe is so unfun to play against and how Torment ruins the game. That's why something had to be done at least is being tried out here.

[@BirikinPrimary]

@@TubaAntics I mean no denials on your point but like i said Neutral Evils arent just specificly evil to townies otherwise why not put them in neutral pariah? cuz i believe Neutral Pariah is as long as town loses i win type of Neutral i believe Also what about my Coroner part?

[@boevoikrikun]

Pretty nice reworks. Hope nothing of that ever reaches vanilla game

[@ganpapa3456]

Was that sarcasm ?

[@boevoikrikun]

@@ganpapa3456 not at all. These changes are good for this community, and will make a good content for the video. However for vanilla game they would be a disaster.

[@valutakoshelok2879]

Can the reworked Marshal use tribunal ability twice in the same day?

[@SirenPandaSabo]

No.

[@FDS-ht7tt]

I didnt understand the snitch one can someone tell me in a simple way?

[@SirenPandaSabo]

Snitch reveals 3 town roles that are not in the game to the evils.

[@morwe_]

Cheers!

[@haydenhully]

Oh yeah like last week i went against a warlock

[@cynicalnightmare1108]

Not the biggest fan of Marshall change simply because it's called a "Tri"bunal (tri- prefix means 3) and im OCD lol

[@Pam234]

Deputy seems like worse vigi tbh now

[@UsrnamePending]

I honestly think this makes crus worse than bg, and bg still is a feelsbad role

[@PhantomDogman]

Exe retwork is mix between Tos 1 exe, and Throne of Lies fool, except you need to lynch town instead of yourself.

[@PhantomDogman]

But exe targeting only town than it's feels NP instead of NE. Sure also evils won't have option to mislynch without a trial but most likely it hurts mostly town not having a trial.

[@The3OfSwords]

After seeing chilledchaos vod these changes suck, go and read his chat people weren't happy.

[@coricoriiander]

Sigh, what is it with Chilled viewers not understanding that most people don't play the game like they do. The changes are fine, they're very good for a text-based lobby that wants to play seriously. Chilled's lobby plays through voice chat and goof off a lot more. Obviously these changes wouldn't appeal to them.

[@TubaAntics]

I was watching the stream myself. These changes are made for a 15 player game their lobby is usually 12 players . Only thing I will agree is the dep rework , old dep was more fun to play yeah and the new rework might be quite sluggish but that's the point of modded, we test changes to see if they will stick out we're actively listening to feedback.

[@NicoTheCinderace]

:real: :bread:

[@universalperson]

Wait, what does Snitch do?

[@SirenPandaSabo]

Snitch reveals 3 town roles that are not in play to all the evils.

[@universalperson]

@@SirenPandaSabo thx

[@Rus.or.Grob....vambass]

For some reason I hate the new dep its like playing tt seer or invest

[@gubernator4814]

He talk????!!! NO way

[@morwe_]

thank you btw it was very confusing

[@charasity7870]

Arson (ist)

[@7jm]

8:19 so you basically made deputy a veteran ????

[@Oshroth]

It seems more like an offensive Lookout. You mark targets during the day and if they visit your night target, then you shoot and kill them

[@GayAndAce]

I like the marshal rework that gives evils more of a chance, I had a pandora TT game where I was Judge and marsh used they're ability but I had enough time to reveal and hijack their tribunal and vote townies out (Including them ofc).

[@theprofessionalidiot1256]

Shroud Invincible Defense when (real)

[@Trimman-rq4kl]

this update has already given me warlock 3 times. makeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstopmakeitstop