Beyond: Two Souls - David Cage's Biggest Disaster

[@everydaysponge4086]

I hate the idea that "Maturity for games" equals "make games more like movies" maturity for games should be games offering an experience that only could be conveyed through the medium of games.

[@dankmemes8254]

Why not just both

[@jackgebhardt2932]

@@dankmemes8254 Because movies are not games. These are very different mediums with their own strengths and weaknesses.

[@lonebattledroid4474]

One example would be Undertale since it's game play use of time travel and alternate timelines are integral to it's story that wouldn't be possible for a movie

[@ExaltedUriel]

Probably gonna catch some shit for saying this, but the first game that came to mind that does this is Undertale. That game's story can ONLY work as a game (and it could only exist because of the games that inspired it). The sucker punch reveal of what LV and EXP really mean, and the way the game itself seemingly pushes back, trying to stop you when you do a Genocide run, can only be done in the medium of games. Something like an animated feature could still have the characters everyone loves, but its message could only have its full effect when the player makes those choices themself. The character the player plays as is such a blank, expressionless slate for this purpose. David Cage's games could very easily JUST be a movie because your choices and actions are so inconsequential (except Detroit, which is a step in the right direction. Your choices literally have more effect than in most Telltale games, lol).

[@lonebattledroid4474]

@@ExaltedUriel agreed

[@gunkwizardry]

David cage gets all of his story ideas from the "im 14 and this is deep" subreddit

[@somethingclever4297]

Couldn't say it better myself.

[@higaiwokeru]

I hate how all his references are on the fucking nose, like there’s no subtlety The robots at the back of the boss, the robots having to wear arm bands, the fucking robot concentration camp

[@somethingclever4297]

@@higaiwokeru don't forget a crowd going they took our jobs and the one black lady basically going "wow you guy's situation is similar to ours. It's almost like it's a metaphor."

[@WhaleManMan]

Every comment under every post on that sub is "damn this is true tho"

[@aidanaidan8662]

The Jesus robot forcibly giving robots sentience and free will just like blac- Hang on a minute the latter free will from birth

[@dudemaister18]

"I want games to be more mature" just means "I'm deeply insecure of what film snobs say about my medium" for Cage

[@lukejones7164]

Facts 😆

[@Mamenber]

"Maturity is when sad things happen. The sadder the story, the maturer it is." - David Cage, probably

[@Chillerll]

Well the polls also voted for the industry is immature, even though I personally disagree, its hard to say its just Cages insecurities.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

@@Chillerll i wouldnt trust people on twitter to know anything about video games. they barely know anything about their own lives.

[@theresnothinghere1745]

@@Chillerll Mature can also be many things. Even now I might still say games are not mature as a medium. Not because they're lacking artistic intent or because they cater to kids or anythings tupid like that. But because unlike written works and cinema games have much much much more space for the medium itself to develop the technology behind it to allow a plefora of more experiences to form. So its hard to just take a few polls (from samples of people with unknown amounts of experience with games) with definitions people will disagree on as matter of fact.

[@coffeelich5003]

Seeing Nathan shoot himself after not finding his family after so much effort and his family IMMEDIATELY running up to his ghost got a visceral "what?" from me.

[@Ramsey276one]

Excuse meWUT DAFU...! O_o

[@coffeelich5003]

I would have accepted it if there was any amount of time between him materializing as a ghost and finding his family, but they just kinda show up. Were they waiting for him? Did they forgive him? They all seemed happy so.... idk what the point of all that was.

[@Morhan_Jehnez]

It made my face numb, I sat in complete, "What the fuck" silence for a good 10 minutes.

[@inabi-kun113]

* plays sanctuary guardians *

[@Ramsey276one]

@@coffeelich5003 Same XD

[@zekka9999]

I know someone who works at Quantic Dream, and he told me how frustrating it is. Because David Cage makes his employees read his scenarios, and when everyone try to tell him how bad it is, he just doesn't listen to any form of constructive criticism and keeps his "visions" untouched. I remember my friend telling me how awkward it was when David Cage made people read something about gay characters he had written, and several real gay people tried to explain him the kind of homosexuality presented in his script wasn't realistic, gay people just don't behave in a way he had written. And he just kept it like that, because he apparently knew better. Imagine how awkward and offensive it must have been for those people. To this day, I have no idea how someone so incompetent can be directing such huge projects (yeah I know, money, but still).

[@tigrispanthera5496]

smh 🤦‍♀️ poor employees

[@niccotinepatch]

r/thathappened

[@NioFiota]

@@niccotinepatch That meme is dead and repetitive.

[@mongodroid4842]

@@niccotinepatch because people can never be friends with people in interesting positions, that's just impossible! after all, the REAL WORLD is BORING and SAD

[@manzanito3652]

Please, tell me that scene was discarted and won't appear on the next game.

[@maxmad7641]

WHY DOES THE GUY WHO CAUSED THE APOCALYPSE GET A HAPPY ENDING LIKE WHAT, at snap of a FINGER . Wh a t?.

[@nont18411]

Yeah, what’s the message David Cage really want to say?

[@ramiel3759]

m e l o d r a m a

[@TheHalogen131]

At a pull of a finger in that instance, but yes.

[@uricksaladbar]

Detroit: Heavy Souls

[@liswatching3241]

You mad underrated man

[@perfyyy7262]

Heavy

[@cainhurst8740]

Detroit: Terrible Analogies

[@tastydoomtime8890]

MOM DAD GET IN HERE URICKS ON THE TV

[@delirious_z9987]

"beyond a stupid jedi girl"

[@thecopercoper5533]

David Cage is gaming's biggest hack. He clearly wants to make movies, but he's so terrible at it that makes movie-like games instead, ruining 2 genres at the same time.

[@lukejones7164]

Facts 😆

[@TheAnonim23]

Peter Molyneux is the biggest gaming hack. David Cage is no where near his level

[@Softpaw1996]

ruining would imply people disliking it. That isn't the case according to reviews.

[@Softpaw1996]

@Dan the Axolotl weren't talking about review sites.

[@hoganavajo]

I think miyamoto is a hack because his greatest achievement is an Italian plumber from Brooklyn and that's it.

[@TwilightWolf032]

Whenever a writer for video games or cartoon reboots claims for "maturity" in the media they write for, they are usually the ones treating the subjects they talk about with the least amount of maturity one could ask for. Meanwhile, other games or cartoons geared towards children treat sensitive subjects and the audience with far more respect and dignity than any of these writers can manage to.

[@FullArcher05]

You’re right. David Cage is nowhere near mature when he says shit like “In my games, women are whores.” and “At Quantic Dream, we do not make games for (homophobic slur)”. Because dehumanizing stereotypes are totally mature.

[@CheshireCad]

Avatar TLA was written for children. But it still expressed the horrors of war and fascism in a way that even children could understand. It was forced by its medium to be careful and deliberate. Meanwhile, a more "mature" rated medium can just shove a mountain of dead bodies in the viewer's face and shout "This is sad! War is bad! Sad bad! Sbad!"

[@Chillerll]

It true. It's coming from a place that says content for children is underneath us and not complex enough while ironically a lot of people that create children content manage to make it complex enough to be still enjoyable for adults. Maybe the real problem is games trying to be too "mature".

[@tooFarGonexk4he4tu3s]

Makes me think of Bloober team

[@mackielunkey2205]

Nathan’s “death is nothing” line is absolutely hilarious.

[@MediaGhost_]

Death is nothing is a failure of the death designer

[@mackielunkey2205]

@@MediaGhost_ Isn't death technically nothing?

[@unnimari768]

Unintentional hilarity is the best hilarity.

[@mackielunkey2205]

@@unnimari768 Agreed!

[@dummy9060]

“You heAr me?!”

[@j-skullz]

Imagine saying video games aren't mature in 2011 when Silent Hill 2 was right there and had already existed for a full 10 years. Team Silent didn't die for this

[@Revan058]

Team Silent didn't die for shit, they just got executed for literally no reason. Fuck Konami.

[@SusieBlup]

To be fair that's an exception, not the rule.

[@dark1810]

​ @Ubsty "mature" is just code for boring gritty "dark" trash that tv is full of fuck that shit i dont need a gritty reimagening of assassins creed 2 where etzios mum is raped by a roman pike man cause its sooooo mature followed by 30 hours of being lectured to or watching a bunch of actual idoits who act in no way like humans actually do try and out psychopath each other in a gritty "real" mature fashion

[@SusieBlup]

@@dark1810 Yeah, I guess it depends on how we see it. A story can be mature in terms of elements (like extreme violence) but still be shallow.

[@guardianhirro]

How "mature" a game is and how fun it is to actually play are inversely proportionate, that's why all the games that have deep well written stories and good gameplay are ignored by the ppl that call these shitty movie games evolutions of the medium

[@spartandumpster1158]

Lyle on OneyPlays once said something that has really stuck with me, he was talking about Game of Thrones (specifically at the beginning), "if we never see your characters happy, why should we give a fuck when they're sad?" For me, when a story is just sadness throughout its entirety, I'll end up shutting off emotionally from it due to an overload, I can only feel so bad for these characters before it seems like their whole life is sadness at which point I disconnect from them. It's more impactful seeing characters go from happy to sad because we'll want to see them return to being happy, but if they go from sad to more sad with no hints they'll become happy, then the story feels pointless. I also think there's typically two mindsets audiences enter stories with, at least in terms of characters, where my mindset is typically "I'm a blank slate, make me like and care about your characters" and the other is "I like all characters from the start until you prove to me why I shouldn't." I used to have that latter mindset until I got older and more pessimistic and I shifted to the first. I can see how people with a predisposition to like main characters would enjoy this game, or at least its story, because they'll feel sad for Jodie the whole way through. When you need to be convinced why you should care about Jodie, however, you emotionally shut off from the main character because you're not playing a video game to make yourself sad.

[@hardygal2]

As someone who is in fact predisposed to like main characters and generally approaches stories with optimism in regards to whether or not I’ll like the characters involved in the story... I really do not care for Beyond: Two Souls or for Jodie. This is partially due to the fact that I honestly DO NOT LIKE bleak as hell stories that seem to only exist to punish you for ever wanting to be happy or for ever having felt happiness. This is also due to the fact that as far as Jodie goes, she is basically comprised of every trope thrown together to make me feel bad for her, many of which I don’t care for anyway, and instead of feeling bad for her, I’m just annoyed at the story for trying to make me feel bad.

[@billxrl4154]

I feel like most of people start out as the latter case, then once they mature they see stories with a more critical mind. I personally agree with you and Lyle in the sense that basically every work of art (or you could even say everything in life) is about contrast. You can't have just happyness or just sadness mainly because each one can't exist without the other. I you read a story that only consists of depressive and bleak scenarios you feel like there's nothing on display because the only contrast you have is your own human experience instead of the character's. .....Not a fan...

[@Here_is_Waldo]

I feel sadder for Aiden, personally. Poor bastard spends his entire existence unable to talk or really interact with anyone beyond a whiny, self-pitying pessimist. I know she has a hard life, but damn as someone who regularly falls into that pit of self-despair myself: you've got to push forward at some point.

[@wolflordbradley7353]

@@billxrl4154 This. I've been looking at a lot of things critically the last couple years. Seeing the shift in things. When u speak on it though, people get uncomfortable and try to shut me down. It's weird and unsettling.

[@ayrtonjoga]

I agree, just because a story is nothing but endless misery from beginning to end doesn't mean it's compelling or interesting, it's not even motivating or entertaining, imagine watching Spider-Man 2 but without the goofy and heartwarming scenes showing the positive side of being a hero? If instead was just an eternal downward spiral, ending on a sour note? My favorite moments, when playing a game or watching a movie, is when the characters stands up, faces their troubles, and finally deserves a happy or a redeemable ending

[@mc895]

ANOTHER VIDEO I SHALL WATCH INSTEAD OF DOING MY HOMEWORK

[@uricksaladbar]

Do your homework

[@Hello_There820]

Please do your homework.

[@ihvojd]

Education first

[@Accerimo]

Do homework then reward yourself with this video.

[@mc895]

Dont worry I did my homework while watching it. Your voice is very relaxing!

[@scythe1234hotmail]

David Cage's biggest hurdle to his goals for video games is himself. David cage is a C- story teller who really just wants to make movies.

[@vicentereyes8463]

Exactly, he doesn´t understand what makes games and the medium special, all of his games will fall to the hurdle of time as comletly uninfluential. It would be sad, but he lacks self awareness, and is kind of pretentius, so who cares.

[@scythe1234hotmail]

@@vicentereyes8463 Don't you get it? The robots, the robots are, at, like, the back of the bus. That's some, like, deep commentary about stuff.

[@ashmanchester2611]

The way I see it is that the dude wants to be a film maker be is resigned to make games instead. The only problem is that he doesn't know how to write a cohesive story. He just puts in stuff because "this would look good in my game." Or " This is what all good movies have".

[@higaiwokeru]

@@scythe1234hotmail the robots are in an area where, like, it has bads and they, like, get sent into boxes to be killed That’s so deep and not on the nose

[@scythe1234hotmail]

@@higaiwokeru Like, I know right.

[@angelalin3489]

for a game about two souls, it sure is souless

[@KoylTrane]

Something something dark souls reference

[@reverbthevocal421]

@@a.r6466 Hashbrowns, hehe. That’s a new one for me.

[@mnoypoiuyt65r4w8]

lemme kiss u on the cheek

[@oofoofers]

That is beyond hilarious

[@solemnsoul]

What are you talking about? I feel the game's story really reached deep down inside my chest cavity.

[@ClintYeastwood420]

Holy Christ man. I just finished Beyond Two Souls with my friend and I can’t fucking believe that it exists in the way it does. The emotional climax of the game (Meeting Nathan by the Black Sun) ended with, to me and my friend, the message that killing yourself is the best option and only has good consequences. Holy shit man. Like…. I can’t believe the story and game itself was so mishandled.

[@henotic.essence]

For real. As someone who has gone through lengthy periods of active suicidal ideation, this was SUCH a dangerous scene to be presented. Like, god damn. I understand this world isn't meant to protect you and blah blah blah, but the execution of harsh scenes is what matters. This could not have been done more poorly.

[@kiillabytez]

People play games to have fun, and to me, the game accomplished just that. I've seen a lot of bad movies in my life. A LOT. Quantic Dream "games" are kinda on the borderline between great film (Amadeus, or LotR, for instance) to really bad ones, (Blair Witch Project, Batman vs Superman, etc).

[@ClintYeastwood420]

@@kiillabytez I don’t know about that, I had some fun with it, but I didn’t enjoy like half of it. Its like if the Room didn’t have a goofy main character the whole time and instead was only stupid like half of the time. Also I don know that you can just claim that the film responsible for popularizing found footage in general is “really bad”

[@kiillabytez]

@@ClintYeastwood420 Not everyone sees things the same, otherwise we'd all be characters in a David Cage game.

[@CheshireCad]

Almost every "I just want to revive my family from the afterlife" villain plot falls apart for that very reason. Because once it's established that there's an afterlife, then all someone needs to do to see their deceased loved ones again is to... do the thing which they literally can't avoid doing: Die. The most reasonable solution to the villain's problem is to just end their own life and immediately see their loved ones again, or at least endure life without them while waiting for their life to inevitably end. It literally makes suicide the most sensible option, with the next best option being guaranteed anyway. But somehow, these grief-stricken geniuses keep choosing the third option, to spend years/decades planning to cause an apocalypse, to accomplish something that was already going to happen. There are "afterlife caveats" that can be written to avoid this, but those usually come across as ham-fisted kludge fixes. Or this scenario can be used as a lesson that it's better to live a full life than to dwell on what was lost, but that would require a competent writer.

[@shingshongshamalama]

David Cage: "Video games need to be MORE MATURE and only I can do it." David Cage: *apes good movie makers while having zero understanding of them himself* David Cage: *has a character who exists purely to get chased around in her undies by ninjas*

[@Jokoko2828]

The man made Indigo Prophecy, he's as mature as a puddle.

[@meloneatingwolf1882]

What was that third one again?

[@simonediliberto4314]

@@meloneatingwolf1882 Madison from Heavy Rain

[@keriz6776]

@@simonediliberto4314 they are nightmares and hallucination of her, also she had insomnia

[@sebastianbronowicki7073]

​​@@keriz6776which only exist in that one scene and as an excuse for why she operates out of a motel, rather than instead her doing so because she's there to get a scoop on the origami killer, which, mind you, is EXACTLY what she's already doing anyway

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

"I want to make games more mature" Bioshock series says Hi

[@Ohmargod]

Even Crono Trigger is a lot more mature then Beyond Two Souls

[@thecopercoper5533]

Oh, you sweet summer child...

[@CyberSpider35]

Lol they as mature as hottopic kids from 2007. Not very much.

[@CyberSpider35]

Your beloved Bioshock (Infinite I mean) also says: "Death is solution to all your and world's problems".

[@grimgrahamch.4157]

@@CyberSpider35 Infinite also had a good character arc and a subtle political message about the dangers of extremist thinking. I'd say that mature writing.

[@PsychoticBeverage]

Your drawings of Jodie have more personality than every character in the game she's from combined.

[@XhyRobtic]

Honestly tho, his jodie drawings actually make her look adorable and appealing. In-game she just.. looks odd

[@thenotsodemocraticrepublic7731]

David Cage’s games fell like a movie director tried to make a video game without understanding what makes video games good or different.

[@ForeverLaxx]

Really feels like a failed director/writer who could never get anyone to go with his scripts found a medium with a much smaller barrier of entry stuffed full of "reviewers" who have an even worse grasp on storytelling.

[@NeODeLeuX]

You're giving Cage wayyy too much credit by refering to him as movie director-like.

[@kiillabytez]

No. I believe he just wanted to make movies, but saw the incredible financial payout of the video game industry.

[@thedeliveryboy1123]

And vice versa

[@kiillabytez]

@@thedeliveryboy1123 Either, or. He's kinda like the Blumhouse of the video game industry.

[@littledewdroplets]

The thing I hated most in this game was that not even the selling point is real. The whole point of playing a Quantic Dream game is supposed to be that your actions tailor the story, right? THEN WHY DID THE GAME KEEP PUSHING A RELATIONSHIP WITH RYAN? I did everything, EVERYTHING I could to push it in the opposite direction, just for the romance to be there anyways. What's the point? Also, the Navajo part was ridiculous. It reeks of the white knight trope, but it's to such an exaggerated degree I don't think I've ever seen it be grosser.

[@SotiCoto]

On the upside, the game has a few points where you can just make Ryan suffer for apparently no reason, and I took EVERY one of those opportunities. And the Navajo chapter was really awkwardly racist. It was like "Let's just throw a bunch of random native american sounding stuff together and make a mighty-whitey plot, and it has nothing to do with the rest of the story".

[@Skullkidjynx]

You know those meetings that are like “this could have been an email”? This could have been a movie

[@UndyingZombie]

David Cage basically seeks to make a type of virtual novel game without realizing that they are a thing.. and there are a lot of damn good ones that have better creators than he could ever hope to be a fraction of.

[@primroseprom]

I think that would be super interesting to see. Not because I enjoy his stories, but rather because I’m curious to see what a visual novel would look like if it had hyper realization 3D graphics you typically see in Cage’s games.

[@mrpay4444AYypIgEDLbwfZm4kjaQk]

People think mature means edgy.

[@kendrickkomisarz9310]

The comedic timing for the punk version of the main character being cut off by an ad was hilarious I hope others experienced that.

[@QuikVidGuy]

"AH-"

[@LordThulhu]

That's the thing, the fact that the creator used "maturity" in the first place. It's exactly the same when an author uses "deep and complex" when describing their story/characters. The moment you see someone use these words, you instantly know that you're in for something that takes "style" over "substance" because that's exactly what "Mature, deep and complex" are, words that say nothing and are constantly misused. Mature = Sexual content, extreme violence and swear words... Because apparently that's mature and just something most of us thought was mature when we were teenagers until we realized that being mature is literally the opposite of all that and get depressed by the amount of responsibility and burden we have to carry because if not, we gonna have a bad time. Deep = Some philosophical BS thrown into for no reason and says nothing at all... But they sure make it sound smarter and deeper than it actually is. Complex = It's confusing, nothing is explained and you leave the experience with more questions than answers but it sure tries to make it look like you just didn't understand it and not just the authors lack of direction and plan. I'm so tired of this and how they constantly get away with it by making it look very pretty. Pretty much distracting you from looking too deeply into it by dangling some keys in front of you and tell you how "mature, deep and complex" their story/characters are. And if that doesn't work you get the "If you don't like it, then don't watch/read/play it!", or some really manipulative answer that sounds nice but is pretty much just dismissing you anyway after having made you go into details with your criticism. At that point I just wish for them to tell me to "fuck off" instead of this lame attempt to not lose face in front of their fans with this backhanded way that pretty much just tell you "fuck off" but in a nicer sounding way. Sorry for the rant but god... Stories/characters like that really get on my nerves, especially when they get away with it as well. It always make me wonder why we even bother trying to understand the craft if you don't even have to give a shit in the first place. Just throw some random shit on the screen, sprinkle some glitter on it, say it's more than it is and people won't even question it.

[@orneb6483]

Where is Terry Hintz: The best best friend?

[@Sleepy_on_the_moon]

still waiting for the Terry vid 😔

[@vicentereyes8463]

I hope he mentions Joel from Lisa the pointless if he ever does this vid.

[@gonzofernandez]

I was actually thinking about that last night

[@newersoup5202]

i agree

[@soldatdaniels8738]

My last name is Hintzen so that alerted me,lol.

[@thatoneguy4452]

Willem Dafoe should've sacrificed himself to stop the machine. His happy ending would've at least been earned then.

[@cartercena8053]

I think David is absolute genius when it comes to tricking people into thinking they’re enjoying the story.

[@greenliongirl07]

Not really. I started a couple of his games, got bored, never finished them or touched them again. They were free with PS+, so no buyers remorse.

[@BrentosTheFreshmaker]

Wow. I have to say, this has to be the most well-produced video essay on a video game I've ever watched. There was no cringe or edgy humour, there were hundreds of original animations. I felt like I was watching a genuine thesis on why this game was bad. Bravo Urick, you've definitely earned a subscription from me.

[@noravanguard]

I'm getting heavy Empress Theresa vibes from her powers

[@melissalopez154]

Fuckin Hal

[@jeffreytraynhamii4460]

God-tier reference

[@CCBrown92]

You can never truly escape from Empress Theresa

[@heathea9678]

@@CCBrown92 I can if I use the power of coke bottles

[@Alice89chan]

His*

[@RealityCheck1993]

I think my reaction to this game aligns very well with something Accented Cinema said in him video about the "worst Chinese movie". "CIA Spy", "Teen drama", "Native American spirits": These are not cohesive stories with the intent to develop Jodie's character or your understanding of the world she lives in. These are scene concepts the writer thought were interesting, but has nothing to say about them or the character he puts in them. I wasn't a huge fan of Heavy Rain, but for all the rough edges it was at least "about" something, thematically. In trying to create this cinematic experiences he ends up borrowing all these tropes and high-action scenes from film without the context to make the viewer care about any of it. It just want to look like a good movie, essentially.

[@some_guy117]

When the guy killed him self to be with his family, for some reason or another I got reminded of xavier renegade angel

[@skankyassmarty220]

What doth Life...life...life...life...

[@Volthoom]

Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is still one of the most mature videogames of all time and i will kill hundreds before i die on that hill.

[@tmta4089]

me two

[@emperorfaiz]

The whole Metal Gear series (except MG Survive) deserve such praise as well.

[@fridaynight9405]

Can't fret over every egg Jack

[@mateoreyes6921]

@@emperorfaiz Even Metal Gear Solid 5, and that game is incomplete(thanks to Konami)

[@meloneatingwolf1882]

@@fridaynight9405 the memes.

[@zodaloo9303]

From the Zaibatsu boys to Urick, I can never escape this game. But I'll always love seeing people tearing it down.

[@TheHoodedHunter]

F for the Zaibatsu.

[@mikekazz5353]

As they should.

[@PaladinGear15]

you watch her grow up they say, well she becomes a teen and never really ever stops being a mopey sad teen, even when she's meant to be a super badass hardened army woman. I'd love for the game to have a flash forward "60 years later" and she still looks like an angsty 15 year old, just wearing grandma clothes now, with grandchildren who look older than her XD

[@ryanm.8720]

"Character development is something every writer should learn... to fake!" - J.P. Beaubien, Terrible Writing Advice

[@someguywithahat5690]

“David Cage you’ve done it again”-rt games

[@warwatcher91]

Aka "The Sadness Trilogy", SBFP had it right.

[@JudgementNutter]

At least it gave us the best prompt ever in one of these games; "REVENGE!!!"

[@CaulfieldBrooksMusic]

I never got why Jodie and her mom both have powers? If they wanted Jodie's power to be hereditary then they could’ve just done that. They go out of there way to explain the Aidan was Jodie stillborn/miscarried twin brother and his lingering spirit is the source of her power. So then why did her mom have powers too? Did she also coincidently have a stillborn/miscarried twin?

[@imbroke1992]

I haven’t played this game in years, but I do believe Jodie’s mom had different powers than her, just like Zoe does (though Zoe and Jodie aren’t related). I believe Jodie’s mom actually had telekinesis, and perhaps her powers were what made her first child die and become bonded to his twin in some messed up way. Zoe’s powers are unexplained, since there’s no reason why she had them, but she also has different powers to both Jodie and her mom. I think it’s said that Zoe can travel/teleport to different places without her physical body ever leaving the room she’s in, but I’m not too sure on that one. I really do wish the game would’ve explained it all better, since it’s messy.

[@iusethisplatform]

She did inherit her mom’s abilities and so did Aiden. Though, their abilities seemed to have split between each other. Aiden’s soul is still able to be attached to Jodie because he was “born” with powers too and is connected to her by birth. I think she inherits certain powers *herself* since in the Alone ending, you could see her still able to recognize and sense entities/souls (Aiden got the telekinesis and soul manipulation) as well as being able to predict the future. I assume Beyond takes place in an alternate reality in which some people have certain powers and the presence of the “Beyond/Infraworld” exists. This is why there’s an entire department of “paranormal activities” and campus funded by the CIA or whatever - it wasn’t all *just* for Jodie. She just happened to have a very special ability that came by complete coincidence and random chance The only thing that’s never explained properly is why Zoey (Thursday’s daughter) ends up having powers too? I guess it’s by random chance or something or maybe because of Aiden’s/Jodie’s presence

[@imbroke1992]

@@iusethisplatform I was wondering why Zoe had powers too. Maybe it’s because one sequence in the game offers the player the opportunity for Aiden to help Jodie connect to Thursday while pregnant with Zoe. Perhaps that made Zoe gain abilities, but I guess we’ll never know.

[@LoneGamerNerd]

@@imbroke1992 That sounds like an optional scenario? It's been a long time since I've played, so I've forgotten a lot of stuff, I'm sure. But if something that happens in the game is really only plausible if you went a certain route with your choices, then that's a major inconsistency and continuity.

[@grzegorzswist]

Are we going to ignore part when Cole got possessed for very shallow reasons and it never get mentioned again? It should have been treated as a abuse and complete breach of trust.

[@bioforest6602]

I think it's false to think games haven't matured yet. Games were mature in the 90s to 2000s. Games like Thief 1 and 2, and Silent Hill 2. The problem with "maturity" is that people don't want to deal with actual game design. Most "mature" games today have to take control away from the player just to try to make a game look mature. And it feels like the developers have no trust in the player to play the game the way they should to get the feelings they want from them. Like The Last of Us and obviously David Cage's games.

[@Aenglaan]

To add to your point about taking away player control, I think the issue is how the games take away control. Cinematic games just become interactive films while "walking simulators" are basic to the point of lacking game mechanics in the vain of "game-y" games.

[@viktorthevictor6240]

I reject the question itself of whether or not the industry is mature. How can an industry be mature? It's like asking if humans are good, it's too broad a question. Is the film industry mature? The music industry? Because in many cases they aren't, even today.

[@popskiptea8707]

The homeless sequence was by far my favourite section of the game. Felt the most authentic.

[@juanokug4]

the way you draw characters makes me feel bad for going "you're right, that IS stupid". Jodie looks adorable...

[@TravisBroski]

*sees David Cage* *immediately gets Two Best Friends flashbacks* *softly cries*

[@miguelaguilar751]

"Oh no I maed ze bahd gaem"

[@CroatInAKilt]

Fahrenheit: The Sadness Begins

[@relix7373]

I actually kind of liked Beyond Two Souls for as stupid as it is. It's charming in its own weird way.

[@AllieBee00]

I loved it lol maybe I'm just made of cheese

[@DeadlyLazer]

Same. In a David Cage kind of way. If you just go into his games accepting that he's kind of insane, you could look past some of the ridiculousness

[@skydreamer4225]

The idea is good but the execution, not really

[@codysteevis9536]

I enjoyed the game, and even got it platinum, BUT it could have been much better. The gameplay itself is relatively annoying to execute, and the inconsistencies could've been better explained.

[@maxriith2132]

Playing MGSV was an eye opener to me for making games more mature and cinematic while still retaining the goofiness inherent with playing a video game. If you see some of the cutscenes in game they’re shot like a movie and have amazing dialogue and writing. However their is still so much humor in the cutscenes from the various memed quotes and the jokes Kojima puts in.

[@delirious_z9987]

i feel like people in the pool thought that "mature" meant like growing up or something. but even with that in mind there is a lot of "mature" games out there and there is games that live to the original definition. and david cage is the antonym of an interactive media and he believes that taking what makes games special (interactivity) makes them "mature" plus he is a bad writer.

[@nobodyimportant4778]

Every love interest just says "oh hey babe" and shits aggressively

[@vantheman9292]

I dont understand what he means by "needs to be more mature". We have games like The Last of Us and Red Dead Redemption 2 which both have pretty mature stories in my opinion, maybe he just means we need more

[@MrSilnev]

I think Cage is like the Yu Suzuki of the western game world. In that he doesn't actually play alot of games and just gets his information from major media outlets. So in 2011 to him the most popular game series at the time was Call of Duty and he probably looked at those games and thought "generic shooter". Honestly though I always thought it's rich that Cage seems to think he's above the rest of the industry in that regard. Especially how alot of Cage's games aren't very original and often ape ideas from other games and movies. For instance most people would be able to remember the protagonist name of GTA San Andreas whereas I think people would be hard press to know the protagonist name from Indigo Prophecy let only anything about him.

[@Gxmwp]

@@MrSilnev the most I remember from Indigo Prophesy is QTE porking and HAAAAANG IT UP

[@TheRandomgaminggamer]

Statement was made 2011 I believe

[@MrSilnev]

@@TheRandomgaminggamer Yeah and in 2009 he told gamers to only play through Heavy Rain once despite it being counter intuitive since you know the whole point of choiced narrative games is to experience all the different paths and decisions.

[@Sirzhukov]

Those two titles are at best quite generic dramas on par with Netflix originals. And you must also understand that these games are still few and far between, having nothing in terms of popularity compared to things like Doom Eternal or God of War 4. Consumers make the market, and most of them are still more into toys than anything.

[@chloefantasista9815]

Glad we can stop pretending Cage's games are good. Just because you know you're *supposed* to feel something doesn't mean that the game has done the legwork of evoking it.

[@haiqal5333]

I think it's after the release of Detroit Become Human that people started to realize. IMO the stories weren't that great aside from Connor and his human colleague. (Action scenes were cool though)

[@bananabread8445]

I'm taking a philosophy class right now, and the parallels in this video and the Detroit: Become Human video with my philosophy class is crazy. Thank you for making my studying easier, while simultaneously talking about things I ACTUALLY enjoy. (I haven't played games in weeks now so this is the best imma get for now). Instant sub! Keep up the good work my guy!

[@miwiarts]

The slide at 2:00 was just an excuse to draw Korone, and I support Urick in this endeavour wholeheartedly.

[@haiqal5333]

He's either fallen in the hole or wants to cash in on the hype.

[@Rainjojo]

I remember playing this game when I was 11 and got hooked on it, I’d play it over and over again even. However now that I’m old I realize how bad of a story it is, and Jodie’s relationship with Ryan was flat out weird. He waits when she’s legal to start having his crush on her and treated her poorly

[@CrossBorderNerds]

"David Cage doesn't make branching narrative videogames, he makes branching narratives than tries to torturously squeeze a video game into them." Zero Punctuation.

[@jacobtheorangeyoshi8710]

“Not mature” Lisa The Painful, Final Fantasy Series, Super Paper Mario and Origami King, Persona Series: We a joke to you?

[@AhmadAhmad-xv5cr]

seeing how the nemesis system from the shadow of Mordor games was givin a legal patent so now game studios are more afraid to do any thing similar like it I feel story games are becoming cheap copies of movies with gameplay slapped to it forgetting it’s a game in the first place BUT GAMES like hades and dark souls to me are the best type of story games because you can’t have the story without the gameplay games are only at their best when they embrace what they truly are in my opinion because they offer what no media can a big level of involvement with the player

[@Revan058]

...that got a patent? That's fuxk'n absurd. There's about zero chance that would hold up, but no one wants to chance it on the tiny, tiny chance it does or you get just the wrong court... Patents can be good things, but when abused they're just a drain on society.

[@thedragonsflame7869]

I once made a character based off of Jody herself. Though the connection is strenuous at best. Basically I wrote Jody the way she should have been written with my character. Lucas is a character who has a curse on him that causes him to transform into a rampaging monster every time the clock strikes 12:00 a.m. For this, his life is full of many tragedies. However, it isn't just tragedy for the sake of tragedy. His only purpose isn't just to garner sympathy from the audience, it's to be a retrospective on how one deals with the hardships of life. And while his exact situation may not be very relatable since it can't happen in real life, it still serves to drive home how one adapts to the troubles of life. Plus, it isn't just tragedy, tragedy, and some more tragedy there are moments of levity and genuine happiness in his life that serve to show that while his life is hard, it's not hopeless. And, as the serious goes on with his struggles, it shows him coming to terms with his new life and him getting better and better at dealing with it. Also, P.S forgive some of the spelling errors, because I wrote this through voice type.

[@CorgiTheRegularCorgi17]

That character sounds super cool and awesome. Good job!

[@WhaleManMan]

I feel like this game would have been a lot better if you got to control what Aiden actually does and make decisions on what he does to affect Jodie.

[@mochalta2862]

Yes thank you

[@unlucky-animal]

I realize that he never said it in the video, or at least i never remember him saying it, but you do get to control aiden, it's part of the gameplay. Theres even a (piss poor) multiplayer mode where one gets to be aiden and the other gets to be jodie. As aiden, you choose to kill people and what to do but you're usually in aiden mode because you have to do something specific (eg. throw down barrels, possess someone, etc)

[@unlucky-animal]

Im assuming he went down this story path bc its what most players did/what he did. Hell, as aiden, you could've not thrown a fit when jodie's trying to have ryan over for a date but it's extremely boring and you do nothing for like 10 minutes so you're basically encouraged to make aiden throw a fit.

[@unlucky-animal]

Theres also a scene where jodie meets her birth parents and her father can be a raging asshole, and you can choose to choke him as aiden. You even get an achievement for doing it.

[@sweetsilky9395]

Almost like a story driven VIDEO GAME WOOOAH

[@somerandomcosmicentity885]

You thought beyond: two souls was bad. Boy have I got a treat for you, Farienheit: Indigo Prophecy got an anniversary edition.

[@Catsby83]

Thanks for using Queen’s Gambit as an example because it turned me onto a really good book. I’d love to watch the show because it looks absolutely beautiful but I don’t have Netflix. Anyhow great story and I’m glad I was introduced to it!

[@silvasoul8938]

Watching your quick depiction of Beyond: Two Souls in a simpler art style with relatively still images felt more emotionally gripping than the actual game.

[@Ceryll]

So glad that the video covers Beyond! I wasn't expecting that since it is the least voted (referring to the poll)

[@Kamekaze.]

The usage of an absence of chronology can aid a story by creating intrigue, giving a more engaging perspective on certain events and skipping more monotonous moments. But only if used effectively. The book “The Girls I’ve been” Is a fairly excellent example of this. Much like the rest of Sharpe’s work, the premise sets up a mystery while the past is introduced through a serious of flashbacks which give you a more rounded perspective on the world and our characters. The tricky part with this way of telling a story is making it so the information we are learning as the audience has a solid through line, while things can be given new perspective upon reviewing, it’s deeply important that in the very least it doesn’t feel as though its just a series of writing prompts loosing connected with glue. (Non-linear stories work especially well if the non-linearity is linked to the themes in someway, though this is not a necessity.)

[@sevdawolf6477]

Alternative Title: David Cage; The Gaming Industry's Worst Best Friend

[@yyyyy7789]

Looool

[@nikitachumachenko3412]

I've come to this video again after the "failure of game designer" quote has reemerged in my mind. And now that I have the context, I am even more flabbergasted by the fact that DAVID CAGE of all people actually said that. I get it, he thinks that a story driven game shouldn't rely sequences so hardly scripted that failing has to result in the restart of the section because story requires success (even though it sometimes work the other way around, when you successfully beat the section but story forces you into failure regardless). So he wants to create a game where you can continue with the story regardless of failure or success. But this kind of game ALREADY EXISTS. It's called Pyre and it's an indie game that didn't require 27 million dollars to produce nor does it rely on being a movie with inputs you don't even need to put in. It's an actual videogame, but despite that you can fail every single battle and get to the ending regardless, it'd be a different ending. Because, duh, you can't achieve your goals without succeeding in what you're doing. Same with Pathologic 2. How could a man who wants industry to "mature" think that if he sees a fundamental problem in regards to storytelling un games cutting out everything that makes the medium unique in the first place would be a solution? I can see where he's coming from, and maybe he even identified the problem correctly, that being the fact that scripts for games at the moment are so robust and impenetrable that a slight deviation on the players end causes the game to say "no that was not it try again and please don't do this again thank you". But he doesn't see the core of the problem, that being the fact that videogame writing isn't flexible enough to allow for failure to continue the story. Instead he just makes a 10 hour movie with inputs you can just skip most of the time and calls that a solution.

[@jinx1987]

This game feels like a edgy teen’s fanfic

[@thequietestengine]

Had the game been made with your art style instead, I would love it. Your pictures summing up the game plot really have a charm that lends well to the story and characters.

[@rambunctiousraptor]

I've been playing The Last of Us 2 with my boyfriend and was just talking about how it's crazy to me that a survival horror game managed to be an incredibly realistic story driven game using state of the art motion caption AND amazing and interactive gameplay even better than the games of companies like quanticdream. Then I tried finishing this game and - holy mother of God. It's so incredibly bad at everything it tried to be. I think the worst thing this game does is take itself so cripplingly serious.

[@utes5532]

Y'know, since you mentioned it, I wanted to look up what "infra" means. I'd only known about the term from "infrared" and whatnot, but never really looked into it. It just means "below". The genius worldbuilding masterstroke by David Cage was calling the spirit realm/afterlife "Underworld"

[@kujo4388]

I thought the thumbnail was Lilith from borderlands for a sec

[@trevmagedon5489]

The Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy game that David Cage made in 05 is a train wreck and everyone should play it just to see how funny it is

[@kedamono6282]

? "The Green Goblin will remember that."

[@jayfolk]

Cant wait for the sequel, where you play as Jodie or Jodie & Hobo baby in the ghost-apocalypse wasteland...

[@FunnyMonkey781]

Even though Beyond is a big mess it still pales in comparison to Omikron.

[@Accerimo]

Omikron is perfecttttttttt. You lie. :'^)

[@Gxmwp]

At least Omnikron has koopies

[@chuckin6823]

but the KOOPY SANDWICH

[@CCBrown92]

Never forget trying to find Meshkan's door.

[@chuckin6823]

@@CCBrown92 "it's locked"

[@yakdeculture9761]

A very long video from NotYanDev, neat. This will do wonders for my productivity.

[@freajinboredyysy4331]

holy shit i just realized thats the voice actor of the cop from 12 minutes

[@freajinboredyysy4331]

23:43

[@velvetwulf6803]

I caught that "shut up adachi", very nice

[@friendlypotato7950]

David Cage can be such a hit or miss, like it seems he wants to go for single scenes that have an impact and tries to rope it together with mixed results, like the mother scene made me feel nothing but Defoe's reaction to speaking to his wife and kid is really emotional, eh at least Detroit become human was pretty good.

[@gasterblaster9817]

Bruh, the only thing that improved in Detroit: Become Human was the budget for the set pieces and character animations. The writing quality is still swimming in the septic tank.

[@friendlypotato7950]

@@gasterblaster9817 yeah but it at least had interesting characters, the biggest nose dive in Detroit was the child being an android that was flat out stupid

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

"Water in fire! WHY?!!" Ah, classic. I also love "Hehehe. Small Turtle House."

[@carmirhodes6851]

"Mature games". Proceeds to film two pointless shower scenes. Better yet. Proceeds to renders completely said shower scenes without the actor's consent. That's "maturity" for you, gamers take notes.

[@lavabutts]

I LOVED THE HELL OUT OF BEYOND: TWO SOULS WHEN I WAS YOUNG, revisiting it now as an 18 year old, it is huge stanky.

[@Kundentelefon]

THANK YOU! I played this game because a friend recommendet it for me. I was totally shocked how bad the story telling was. It is riddled with self conflicted plotholes and disconnected scenes after scenes. What shocked me even more how good this game was received and how well it sold o.0 Because of the success of this game a lot of other company will copy this kind story telling. Ironically thats whats going to held back western games and decelerate the public opinion how mature the gaming industry is.

[@Shaggygottasneeze]

Despite Urick's rage, he's still trapped in David's Cage

[@tastydoomtime8890]

When will he ever excape

[@gamerguy6990]

Despite all my rage I’m still trapped in David’s cage

[@mackielunkey2205]

Poor Elliot Page

[@Christian-gr3gu]

Nice

[@angrybrony]

i fear the power of his stand "omikron".

[@Berd]

this was very super interesting thank u

[@dovahkiin_brasil]

Hi

[@TrisStrudel]

Berdyond Two KZbinrs

[@biker_buckets3629]

Honestly berd you deserve a surreal RPG about you my man you are a fucking masterpiece

[@Just_a_wrench]

Hello there

[@cabig9838]

@@biker_buckets3629 lisa the berdful

[@hacim42]

People who try to make games more mature by making them more like movies do not understand the medium to any degree. Movies didn't mature by making themselves more like books. They explored all the things they could do that other mediums couldn't. If they wanna make games "cinematic experiences", they should make MOVIES, and let people who want to make games make more developed and mature games.

[@cyb11114]

I think making games with cinematic experiences with actual choose that change the story and have actually different outcomes especially if they can be followed up into any squeals is an experience that no book or movie can have you can’t change those like other mediums and I know this is something that would take a ton of effort but If done well it can be magic the first walking dead game was as good or better then the show it’s follow ups (the walking dead season 2 and 3) changed what “choice” meant when you could say anything and get any outcome

[@Anonlyso]

@@cyb11114 low-key this is kinda what Visuals Novels are, tho most of the hallmarks of genre are perhaps less "your choice has story spanning consequences and you assert your agency through them" to "choose which girl's story you like and hope no one else dies in it" kinda. Well aside from You, Me and Her: A Love Story or Saya no Uta

[@cyb11114]

@@Anonlyso I would say maybe doki doki literature club is kinda more of what I mean but it only kinda effect the story the ending is always them same in general maybe more undertale different stuff kinda happen but really only real lanes to go down

[@yehuda8589]

@@Anonlyso Check out Your Turn to Die, it's an episodic (currently unfinished) visual novel inspired by Danganrompa and Zero Escape that actually has branching choices and stuff, it's really neat.

[@Sofiaode18]

@@yehuda8589 For real Your Turn to Die is so underrated and it amazes me that the whole game is free. Though I couldn't finish it because its visuals are disturbing as fu

[@X-SPONGED]

I find it funny that what people often call Cage's best work yet, Detroit Become Human. Only did so because Clancy Brown and Bryan Dechart did the impossible and improv-ed their way onto believability and shattered most of david's stupid writing choice for the connor arc. Making it the most liked part of the entire game.

[@BWMagus]

Clancy Brown, but yes.

[@mynamejeffgaming]

Was the part of the game I liked the least

[@esbenm6544]

@@mynamejeffgaming bad taste

[@domanskikid]

@ mrmyaccount1000 Yes we get it, you go against what’s most liked because your so quirky. 🙄

[@Raddish-IS-Radd]

​@@domanskikidokay but using that logic "you're so quirky for liking a part of the game someone probably didn't like 🙄" ever hear of an opinion my guy?

[@dummy9060]

There’s literally a scene where someone tells Jodie she’s not like other girls

[@xtremegamer7198]

"'I'm not like other girls' said all other girls." "Ironic!"

[@Gloss613]

The chapter where Jodie (can be) emo is literally named "not like other girls"

[@nanni0580]

Bruh

[@GyaruRespecter]

to be super fair, having a mega-ghost twin that lets you possess people and use telekinesis can very much qualify you as not like most girls. ... I think...

[@ostrichlord9097]

@@GyaruRespecter so basically, "I'm not like other girls because my brother isnt like other boys".

[@thecorbohole3637]

The "let us die" scene drives me up a fucking wall. Imagine if instead of saying anything and hitting us with awkward hyper-dramatic camera angles she just screamed in pain. You convey the exact same information faster, arguably more dramatically, and launch me out of the scene way less.

[@1000drman]

God thinking about that is bone chilling too bad he didn't do that

[@ShadowBuu44]

damn, this would have been way more effective to both the audience and Nathan. imagine hearing the souls of your loved ones screaming in sheer agony because of something you did.

[@MariktheGunslinger]

How to write a David Cage story: 1: Character is a dick for no reason 2: Someone does something unnecessarily dramatic for no reason

[@thatonelucariofan503]

3. Monotonous gameplay that gets changed slightly after something dramatic happens because uwu such deep lol

[@muskatDR]

4: Rape and/or rape attempt scene

[@nont18411]

I remember Blake from Heavy Rain who is cartoonishly evil. He tried to arrest Ethan for exactly no reason.

Get your women actors naked.

[@EriksBlue]

5. Bad guy is actually not that bad even thou he murder

[@buckbumble1872]

my first David Cage game was Detroit, and i went in completely blind. I was wondering what themes he would use the androids for...then in the first hour they showed a bunch of android being seated at the back of a bus, that's when i realized David's idea of subtle was a sledgehammer.

[@davantiowo6519]

Yeah... The games story itself is pretty weak, but 2 years later and i still think about Hank and Connor lol ( I love them so much 😭 )

[@ondiiina]

@@davantiowo6519 I felt like it was more "basic". The characters are likeable and decent. The whole experience is what makes the game good. The writing by itself and at face value? Sort of boring. It's hard to go wrong with something like that tho. At least he created a big world and hints of lore that makes the writing sort of better.

[@drakenfist]

@@ondiiina My biggest issue with the game is it betrays it's own principles. This game came about because so many were moved by the "Kara" trailer which shows Kara being built but then slowly becoming self aware. But instead we have this story of her being a nanny, and that just took away from her character and became about the girl instead Which is a shame cause. I REALLY wanted to see that story!. Apparently that was originally what he was going to do. But instead he gave her story to Marcus, which I think was a mistake. Marcus is the worst character of the three because he is less a character and more a idea. He is literally "the civil rights movement" android: i'm not kidding either. In the game's story, it's heavily hinted that the guy who created all the androids, got sick of what humans were doing and sent him to look after this art collector, hoping that the art collector would eventually cause him to break his programming, go nuts and lead a revolt.

[@ondiiina]

@@drakenfist I don't think they gave Kara's story to Markus. To me, it seemed that Kara was the first android who "woke up" and made the creator realize what he did and then he made sure others could "deviate". I felt like Kara did exactly what she promised him to do: not make waves and act as if she weren't sentient but at some point had to be rebooted. She's the proof androids can have free will but she isn't the one going to lead a revolution. Instead she tries to live her life and survive. Making the first sentient android the one leading a revolution is boring and sort of Mary Sue-like. It also makes our THREE characters important androids. Otherwise Kara is the odd one out. She has the bland, unrelated story. But she's a gal and they needed at least one female protagonist. So if you consider the trailer when looking at her story it's more about the first android finally knowingly disobeying humans, running to a place where she can be a person and saving a little human girl and giving her a chance at life just like that worker did for her. She has the emotional story. She's the one learning to love (though it seems like she already loves) and creating her family. It sounds like she's already further into learning emotions and not just because she's supposed to be a nanny. To me it's more interesting to not have her be a blatant Important Android and not link her to the Revolution Plot too much. But her story isn't handled well and can come across as the cliché girl story which is infuriating. The problem is that at no point we're reminded that Kara immediately became sentient in the first place and was probably the one "spreading" rA9. Even rebooted Kara immediately had the choice to deviate (something that should have been expended upon. Why does she now have the choice? Before she just came to be). There's nothing that shows us that everything isn't a part of Kara's programming apart from abandoning Alice (but you can argue her programming does not include android children). It doesn't read as if she didn't consider other choices because it isn't who she is or who she wants to be. We have no other android who no longer doubt themselves and are this defined as a person. Markus still has doubt and can be swayed (a big problem because of his damn upbringing like come on what about Karl?!) and Connor has a completely different programming. There's no subtlety in her story or at least there is nothing that makes us search and think deeper about her apart from the trailer and a little Easter Egg in the gallery. Kara IS in fact the Most Important Android but it's literally forgotten. How hard would hinting that Kara was already "free" before the plot be? Or like throwing another hint at what rA9 is with a throwaway line showing that SHE sort of knows. She knows it isn't her or at least doesn't think so (which we know because none of her actions lead to the Revolution). Tbh I don't think Kamski intended Markus to lead a Revolution. Personally I think that he wanted to see what it would take to make him deviate. Basically it was an experiment. Connor is the one MADE for deviation. Everything points to it. Kamski is involved in his creation, he might be the last android he designed. He definitely had enough of seeing what was happening to androids. I wish he even had a line pointing out that we're repeating the past but this time with something that can be much, much more dangerous. But no, fuck subtlety. Can't point out the obvious either because the writers genuinely believe that they were subtle with Markus. I agree that Markus is the worst. He is an idea. As a character has the worst writing for the protagonists. His time with Karl is literally forgotten. I absolutely REFUSE to believe he would hurt humans knowing most are good and most are also getting fucked over by society. He was raised to be kind, to think for himself, to be observant and to be a person. The fact he can get swayed by North is a sham. Maybe a few more violent choices should be available if Karl is dead or it's made CLEAR that Markus is angry at what happened but him outright declaring a war is so out of character. Kamski's choice was deliberate. He knew Karl and how he would act with an android. So sending him an early version of RK to see how it react and change makes more sense that him possibly ending humanity (and himself because no way North would not track him down). But the way Markus was handled AFTER he left Karl is shitty. To me THAT is when he became the civil rights movement android, the Robot Jesus. He lost what made him an interesting character (and whatever parallel there could have been with Kara) to the messenger of the plot and the fist used to punch the message into you. What I wouldn't do for some parallel with Kara in which we see how both could have turned out and chosen the opposite path. Like Markus could have left far away and live somewhere he could have been free and Kara could have stayed and led the revolution (or make a change. After all she's a very common, boring model while Markus is a special prototype of the strongest, most advanced line of models. I don't think she could have pulled the moves Markus did but her personality is stronger). Is it just me or is the writing worsening the more chapters pass for Kara and Markus? Connor was solid but they became weaker and weaker as time passed as if there was less work put into them. They become caricatures and clichés

[@smirglepapier531]

@@ondiiina what really infuriated me was the "reveal" that Alice was an android all along. It's not clever, it does not add anything of substance to the story. I would argue that it takes away so much from the story. It would have been so moving to see an android care for a human child, caring for her despite the way humans trat her. But oh well...

[@ventusxzephyr13]

"Do you think the video game industry is mature?" Me playing Hello Kitty Island Adventure: Yes.

[@MoroFuoro]

me who played hello kitty big city dreams: I agree with you

[@TheAzCorner]

Nonironically i think three apples tall Hello Kitty are more mature than devid cege's attempts

[@benlev3375]

I still replay Ratchet and Clank, The Bratz game, Spongebob BtfB and Barnyard once in a while. Kids game can also be great games.

[@higaiwokeru]

@@TheAzCorner they are probably more subtle as well

[@SaiScribbles]

All of David Cage's writing is like someone who has seen a bunch of American action movies and doesn't understand how they work. He writes like a teenager who thinks he's SUPER DEEP. Detroit is the best thing he's done and it's still not great, it owes its life to Clancy Brown and Bryan Dechart elevating his clunky writing with their brilliant acting and on set chemistry that shines through in the final game.

[@QuikVidGuy]

holy shit yes! it's like a lot of movies focus on spectacle to keep you from thinking too hard about their messages, but cage thinks he can put the ideas right in our face and expect us not to get uncomfortable but then does a whole bunch of intense sex crime scenes so we're even more uncomfortable

[@SaiScribbles]

@@QuikVidGuy Yeah as much as I enjoy Detroit on a sort of B-movie ironic level he still managed to get a scene in there where the sole female character is trapped and assailed by a creepy man. Gotta keep with tradition I guess.

[@theversacelife5232]

*secretly know you’re right* LEAVE DETROIT BECOME HUMAN OUT OF THIS 😭😭

[@MiiChanx]

Yeah, Clancy and Bryan's scenes feel so much more natural and more alive compared to the rest of the game. Don't even get me started on Markus and North's "romance" path, jesus christ, it's so forced and cringe. I can't deal. I wouldn't even like the game if there was no Connor and Hank.

[@SaiScribbles]

@@MiiChanx If the game was just Connor and Hank solving crimes it'd be 10/10 from me. When I streamed the game for my friends I deliberately shunned North at every turn and Markus STILL acted like he lost the love of his life when I let her die. Cage really didn't expect you to not go for it lol.

[@cari6459]

am i the only one who thought it was weird that Ryan starting to show interest in Jodie when she became of legal age... when he knew her and technically had her under his protection when she was a child?

[@murciadoxial8056]

... I didn't notice that... O H G O D

[@cari6459]

@@murciadoxial8056 yeah. And he also treats her terribly until his “crush” on her begins. He stops treating her like an immature child and treats her differently.

[@murciadoxial8056]

@@cari6459 And if you don't pick Navajo, the game also refuses to let you break up with him no matter how hard you try

[@PALACIO254]

Oh Mr. Cage you cad

[@cursedapostate3705]

OH FU-

[@MariktheGunslinger]

The thing is, this game looked incredible at the film festival, where it was just the homeless sequence. It was an exercise in minimalism; a girl with paranormal abilities, homeless and alone, trying to survive. That was enough.

[@inplane9970]

Yep. Then suddenly she's going out working for the military, doing James Bond-style shit, and then saving the universe from evil spirits. Sometimes, more doesn't mean better.

[@sugarpapaelmo2004]

That would’ve made such a better plot then all this government is evil stuff and how it’s uwu sad feel bad for me

[@nerdymom2]

@@sugarpapaelmo2004 the government is evil dude.......

[@Deadsea_1993]

Yeah and that was a good part of the game. Well besides the random jerks that are there for no reason. Am I the only one that would have rather seen Jodie as a Native American that was abandoned due to her powers ? The Native American part was unique. The Cia plot was so damn used in the medium

[@MariktheGunslinger]

@@nerdymom2 Yeah, but it's never written in a way that feels interesting or compelling. The government does bad shit but it's almost always out of ignorance or neglect, not out of an innate desire to do evil.

[@MiloKuroshiro]

His writing is just a joke, from how he portrays women, his racial stereotyping, his lowbrown basic concepts that he hypes up for some reason, his fetishitization of poverty and the homelessness experience. He's not pushing the medium forwards. He doesn't understand the appeal or the tools on the medium. He's not doing 1/8 of what people like Kitty Horrorshow and Christoph Phey can do with no budget. Dude really thinks that he's an cult auter while just doing direct to TV garbage with a blockbuster budget.

[@cookiesandpudding8485]

Its the same exact problem with Detroit

[@summerrose8110]

@@cookiesandpudding8485 I liked the Detroit Become Human game. Never played it, but seeing playthroughs it looked cool.

[@jackdavenport5011]

@@summerrose8110etroit is better in some aspects but it still suffers from a lot of similar narrative problems as BTS. I’d recommend watching Urick’s video on DBH too.

[@xDrezi]

What is wrong with you

[@thecamelchannel1467]

@@summerrose8110 in my experience detroit become human is incredibly fun as long as you don't think about the story until the end, then you can safely realise it's utterly ridiculous after you've had fun

[@kiraryuuza]

admiring the guy who decided to model an actress nude, and keep a big fucking portfolio of pictures he found of them in a scrapbook, probably not the best idea

[@vicentereyes8463]

Yeah, fiirst i thought he was just a bad game maker, but my opinion of him worsens the more i know of him.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

its like yandev, theyre bad game designers AND bad people

[@Nick-mv5kg]

It was so fucking weird how he treated Elliot like an object but claimed he “respected” him

[@arkaua]

@@Nick-mv5kg Elliot?

[@DancingCrickets04]

@@arkaua Ellen Page (the actress) transitioned from Female to Male. His new name is Elliot.

[@GodzookyDookie]

Terrible game aside, I absolutely adore your editing and art. Every single one of your videos is just so pleasing to look at

[@Geck0GC]

I misread it as "terrible art aside" and was about to flame you.

[@GodzookyDookie]

@@Geck0GC Oh lord no

[@mistertagomago7974]

I love Ulrichs use of art and editing.

[@duchessofshinies4696]

My first experience with David Cage was watching Cryaotic play Beyond: Two Souls when I was a kid. I’m an adult now and am sad to see both those things are terrible.

[@nono9543]

Cry really was trying make himself look like a victim

[@ThePhreakass]

What happened with cryaotic?

[@arianamarks6586]

@@ThePhreakass cry was exposed for grooming and being a terrible shitbag

[@ThePhreakass]

@@arianamarks6586 Oh shit! Is this the reason he hasn't uploaded in ages? Man, and to think how nice he used to be in his LP's :(

[@asherlynn3635]

@@ThePhreakass I'm legitimately so sorry you had to find out this way bro. It hit me hard too.

[@gasterblaster9817]

As a certain punctuationless game reviewer once said: "David Cage has only one tool in his storytelling arsenal and it is a giant sledgehammer with the word MELODRAMA written down the side. His stories always play out like rampant human misery simulators as written by someone who's never met any human beings."

[@Disissid19]

That one paragraph plays in my head everytime I look at anything david cage related

[@Ushakov_Mykyta]

One let's player once described how David Cage writes his games: "first, he writes a piece of dialogue, then a scene around that dialogue, then a plot for that scene. That's why all his stories feel so disjointed and none of them make a lick of sense if you think about them for 2 minutes".

[@Disissid19]

@@Ushakov_Mykyta I write stories alright. I'm not gonna pretend that what I write is even decent. But after playing david cave's games. It gives me great relief to say that there is someone way older and way worse than me at writing a story