Superb content. BK & Hoffman are among the most interesting cats out there today IMO.
@dogsbollox43353 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@JA-gz6cj3 жыл бұрын
lol I always see your cat comment under Kastrup's videos. he certainly is tho
@elecsomify3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree
@saritajoshi17373 жыл бұрын
You just love using the words "cool" and "cat" don't you lol
@realcygnus3 жыл бұрын
@@saritajoshi1737 Well, when & where applicable anyway. 🤣
@b0ondockz8383 жыл бұрын
Ohhh I've been waiting for Hoffman and BK to get together. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
@S.G.Wallner2 жыл бұрын
Wish we could have seen Bernardo's face when Hoffman says, "I'm looking for a theory in which consciousness is fundamental."
@clivejenkins40339 ай бұрын
He said a deeper theory, pay attention
@isitreallyso18973 жыл бұрын
How on Earth does this not have tens of millions of views. Extraordinary discussion!
@TheFrenchNanny2 жыл бұрын
Because most people are not asking these questions ….
@kaviartin3 жыл бұрын
22:30 - 23:35 - Hoffman's scientific humility always on display. Thanks for the video!
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
Just cause he talks softly doesn't mean he's humble. A guy marching in front of every crowd that will have him, proclaiming "space-time as we know it is doomed" is anything but scientifically humble. (Science By Rhetoric is pseudo-science)
@SEJay-gj2cv3 жыл бұрын
@@citizenschallengeYT He is humble in the sense that he straight up says his theory could be flawed, but welcomes that criticism because he is interested in finding the truth, and being proven wrong means getting closer to it. How many scientific papers have you published? How many university courses have you taught? You shame yourself by insinuating that Prof.Hoffman is a pseudo-scientist.
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
@@SEJay-gj2cv He's preaching to innocents that "Spacetime as we know it is Doomed" - doesn't sound very humble to me. Nuff said. Please understand my distaste for Hoffman and his Theater, is not based on this video - but on a half year+ studying and critiquing his book "Case Against Reality". What I know is, he's the last guy I'd go to for solid information and advice, the man is lost within his Mindscape and has no appreciation for Physical Reality. But he's got a great profitable schtick going, so, run with it, since self-delusion seems to have become America's past time anyways. Too much is never enough and Me First. The sad degrading state of our global biosphere, (you know our life support system!!!), totally supports the contention that most humans are self-serving and delusional when it comes to recognizing reality and it's Way And Means - so he fits right in. Let the day dreams continue. Or, if Physical Reality itself interests anyone reading this, try googling "confrontingsciencecontrarians.blogsot. case-for-reality. html" for a critical look at Hoffman's Game and a more realistic down to Earth appreciation.
@apzzpa3 жыл бұрын
@@citizenschallengeYT Donald Hoffman didn't say that Arkani-Hamed said it. Hoffman is quoting him
@apzzpa3 жыл бұрын
@@citizenschallengeYT "and has no appreciation for Physical Reality" - I think your misconstruing his ideas here a little. Where does Hoffman say he has a distaste or no appreciation for physical reality? He's just suggesting we are looking at physical reality the wrong way. Perhaps that is comforting for you or cannot let go of the possibility without one but what Hoffman is putting forth is a new perspective on how to tackle one of the biggest problems in science. Every scientist with a book out could equally be called to be having 'a great profitable shtick'. It's a book. He makes money from it. Get over it.
@gerardoquirogagoode81523 жыл бұрын
a very simple maxima from ancient wisdom "I see reality as I am, not as it is"
@bryanguilford61453 жыл бұрын
Ive been wanting a conversation between bernardo kastrup and donald hoffman for a while.
@nickolasgaspar9660 Жыл бұрын
I guess the question is why? Why wasting your time on pseudo Philosophy/science when you can study Neuroscience?
@gkannon7710 ай бұрын
@@nickolasgaspar9660is this a real question? Ask Lex and Curt. No need to respond. My guess is your comment will age horribly. Time will tell.
@leandrosilvagoncalves19393 жыл бұрын
You guys are doing a wonderful job! If feel grateful to have the chance to hear your wisdom
@ISellSigals3 жыл бұрын
Please, please have another discussion between Donald and Bernardo.
@dianetemple5608 Жыл бұрын
Everyone looking for bridge between science and consciousness should be aware of this excellent dialogue between Kastrup and Hoffman.
@pedrojorge89422 жыл бұрын
Pra mim esta foi a melhor conversa com Bernardo que eu tenha assistido. Ambos são pessoas de uma capacidade de insight brilhante e algumas passagens me deram uma sensação incrivel de estar presenciando o nascimento de algo fantástico e de extrema relevancia para ambos. Dá pra notar no olhar dos caras a verdadeira comunicação quando acontece e fertiliza a mente de cada participante com angulos ainda não explorados e retrabalhamentos, otimizações... Maravilha! Agradeço de coração essa oportunidade que ambos trazem para a sociedade atraves desta conversa.
@gerardoquirogagoode81523 жыл бұрын
it's obvious that we can never come to see the end of exploration as knowledge is infinite
@Meditation409 Жыл бұрын
That was an awesome conversation!!! Made me really take a super deep think. I try my deepest to be open minded!! These 3 men are absolute icons in the field of Reality and Consciousness. 💕💖
@phantomhawk01 Жыл бұрын
Ugh Gyyu
@rustybolts89533 жыл бұрын
Much of this so far reminds me of dealing with would be bullies in my youth. Not enough time to plan conscious strategies but instinct came to my rescue, sometimes in very interesting chess game type ways, other times very direct. Explaining such specific instincts is to this day still a challenge to me... We are far more complex than can be simply explained and so we have so much more to discover about infinite reality and thus our own identity in reality. I think...
@natashapope3785 Жыл бұрын
Breath of fresh air.
@zerbel3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this angle provided to Hoffman's hypothesis. I find it inviting how he will move the line back on assumptions of conversation. For example he brings up Belding's squirrell and how where competition/cooperation and payoff/fitness are normally addressed to are our (humans) projected individuals. I'd be curous how he would address a quatnum difference in concept, instead of just moving the line within the same concept of a distinct unit of organism. In the squirrell's case, it was moved to a gene. But similarly, that gene could be backed up to an ecological niche where the gene changes because it benefits more life forms morphing with a changing niche than staying that gene. So the discussion of why cells die aptotically was great, why would any concept of individuals having a cooperation/competition duality need to be perpetuated? There would be specialization explored but by the "unitary" clay (Gaian ecosphere, whole universe, from current human language we have to pick "one" more representative model that still is separate from somehting else!). A morphing within that clay would not see its inner dividings as requiring strife, and self-form preservation that infers it. That one species becomes another IS that "same" species in that new form. That the idea of individual consciousness could participate and even preempt unitary evolvement of the Clay, is simply a playful idea within the unitary clay. It HAS to grow up and realize it was a limited local spacetime perspective playing at directing life from that perspective. That perspective is essentially meaningless, and meant to learn to give its "life" as the separate perspective comes to "wake up" to the joy that giving it up is an incredible playful experience for unitary Clay to experience in (and AS) spacetime. So the ending conversation was great. It is the expansiveness, illustrated by the Godel "incompleteness" that is the "waking up" invitation. It's not by managing what we've known, wanting to retain it as a relic of self-form wanting to preserve itself. It's fascinating to have Donald broaching a quantum leap that questions the temporary glitch of limitation hiding the game of self-form static maintenance. Electricity could have been enough of a metaphor to wake up humantiy to its attachment to self, when we saw how something so expansive was harnessed to the blinders of limitation and suffering for the sake of continued self direction in the illusion of its "preservation". Maybe Hoffman's emergence is the simultaneous readiness of consciousness to out itself, and for humanity to let go of what it "knew". Thanks again for this video of cooperation :)
@Mo-sj4rr3 жыл бұрын
Simply brilliant! Bravo gentlemen!
@zetristan452510 ай бұрын
Beautiful conversation. Inspiring me/you to formulate an (accurate) understanding of that deeper paradigm.
@Revalanga3 жыл бұрын
Huge. Enoooorme!!! Great people, bright content!!!
@znariznotsj65333 жыл бұрын
Very good questions for a very deep minded scientist. Goed gedaan!
@Meditation409 Жыл бұрын
Wow!! I found this while looking at Donald Hoffman interviews!! This is absolutely a great 3 way collaboration 😀❤
@dungteller3672 жыл бұрын
Thank you looking forward to the next talk.
@VenusLover17 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this 💎 gem!! I thanks and salute you three guys for your wonderful work! So inspiring!
@jmshe432 жыл бұрын
Fascinating and intellectuality stimulating content wonderful job gentlemen!
@sylvainbougie72692 жыл бұрын
What a discussion. Don’t like all IAI posts but this was out of the park.
@aproperhooligan59503 жыл бұрын
Really great discussion. Thank you for this.
@seanmellows13483 жыл бұрын
Fantastic discussion
@andrewjemmett48553 жыл бұрын
Godels candy store. What a beautiful thought. The universe is just a giant self conscious exasketch playing with form. I love these conversations ❤
@dianetemple5608 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this dialogue. Keep talking , exploring how to solve the hard problem of consciousness. Big thank you from all of us.
@alalohwhydee2 жыл бұрын
I'm in no way a physicist, but if Donald Hoffman is accurate in his proposals on the alarming subjectivity of human obsrevation accuracy does this not cast dark shadows of disturbing doubt over all the physicists data that has been gathered up till now? I wonder what present and past physicists have to say about this?
@johnkeane5619 Жыл бұрын
WOW
@jlmer6162 жыл бұрын
Two of the leading thinkers in consciousness get together and what do they discuss? competition!. Missed opportunity.
@rileyhoffman66292 жыл бұрын
Would love to eavesdrop on a convo between Hoffman and Chalmers. Competition has evolved into conscious aggression in our species and will probably kill us, a species that (aside from Beethoven and Leonardo) has earned extinction.
@awesomeant95093 жыл бұрын
Before watching the video, I have a bias towards competition. My, similar to that of Ludwig Von Mises, is that in the process of competition, you are cooperating. In a hockey game, people compete while staying in the bounds of the rules. When businesses compete, they stay within the bounds of the law (assuming no political corruption). The reason is because of reputation and repetition. In order to keep playing the game and be accepted by the other players, you need to abide by their standards. If you are still accepted but cheat, they'll reciprocate. If you still cheat, that'll damage your reputation of viewer's/consumers. Then also, in the sane vein, in order to compete, you need to cooperate the most efficiently with the consumer. Lastly, to effectively outcompete or maximize efficiency, you need to cooperate with other industries. Pencil: the graphite needs to come from minerals that needed to be mined, the wood needs to be chopped down by chain saws that need oil from oil refineries, the eraser from South American and Asian factories mixing chemicals to make rubber, tin, etc. Not one person know how's to make a pencil. This happens because people compete for efficiency.
@dogsbollox43353 жыл бұрын
Awesome ant ,and could we use that theory right through every single thing in the universe ,it fits very well through nature.
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
Curious,
@projectmalus3 жыл бұрын
Offhand there's two problems with that outlook, the first is when a person sees something working in a small group and extrapolates the result onto a much larger group. If it works for my small business/family, it will work for a nation or global economy. The second problem has to do with efficiency. It tends to marginalize. So, when the dream of one big competitive family requires too much money then marginalization happens, and when this problem becomes evident (as now) the costs rise which is another form of oppression. Great idea though and it works well in the right context.
@mac14143 жыл бұрын
Competition is good because without it there is not much progress. Some people need to get into each other's way to win the argument, or to break someone's theory. Competition for the best vaccine, competition for the best technology to solve the energy crisis. Darwinism is universal; inequalities and competition create good incentives, they are necessary. Winner takes all, but also winner inspires all. They inspire all the generations of next winners that are even more fit than the previous ones.
@projectmalus3 жыл бұрын
@@mac1414 We're really talking about 'might is right' and how it can be right and wrong. Three things, which are context, efficiency, and ideas. The individual or group applies an idea and when it drops out of context then 'might is right' is wrong, because the context has an efficiency to it, and this overrides the application of the idea. In spite of an idea being right in one context, the inefficiency of that other context will always try to correct itself, and so civilizations rise and fall. They devolve back to the smaller more efficient groups. Competitiveness works at relatively small group size levels and not at the country size it seems. The closest it came to efficiency was the stalemate of the cold war. Same idea - competitiveness - with the small group being the most efficient and surprise! that's where the idea's work best. I think NASA is a good model with an altruistic goal. Cheers.
@lesegoramokgaba9577 Жыл бұрын
Here's what is going on here Bernardo: So are we in a competition here? Donald: No, we can cooperate. But in order to be taken seriously by the scientific community we need to approach this problem mathematically and not purely ontologically as you have. Bernardo: Ok
@royalton21663 жыл бұрын
On where are memories stored, related to other videos / writings of Bernardo,s. Using B.K,s analogy of a whirlpool where memories whirl around the perimeter and are at every moment in consciousness but not necessarily meta conscious, wouldn't that suggests the more memory acquired the greater the space necessary for it to whirl around in? Extrapolated out to mind at large, could suggest the expansion of the universe is equal to or in part do to the information / memory being accumulated.
@JRichardson7112 жыл бұрын
Crazy neat thought. I’ve had a similar feeling before but was unable to articulate it. Thank you.
@sergioo31353 жыл бұрын
The strange configuration of cancer cells having 18 glucose receptors could be an index that a pathway is activated that we don’t understand. Stephanie Seneff has proposed that possibly cancer cells are sequestering glucose because particular cells have failed to metabolize glucose and it is piling up which is toxic for the cell. It seems plausible to me. Many of the symptoms that humans regard as uncomfortable and we want to get rid of when we get sick are essential actions for us to heal (e.g. fever, mucus accumulation, weakness [energy conservation], etc.) cancer could be a similar process, IMHO.
@TheArjulaad3 жыл бұрын
☯️🦋
@NakedDeparture12 жыл бұрын
playing in the invisible realm will be awesome!!!!
@donato29272 жыл бұрын
Mind blowing!
@amylee92 жыл бұрын
I would like to hear how greed plays into competition and the human thirst for more more more….more houses, more of everything.
@samrowbotham8914 Жыл бұрын
It is pathological and only ten per cent of people are like that, the problem is they control the world system to our detriment.
@anniyule12952 жыл бұрын
Yes more please.
@matthewhewitt9249 Жыл бұрын
Hi Bernardo, I have one query I hope you can answer if you happen to see this ... 1) Consciousness is the one reality but it is confusing me how the planet earth was here prior to any localised finite minds/life. Can you explain how this was and speak to me like i'm a child please haha ?
@MrSanford653 жыл бұрын
I think one question would be, how does the selfish gene have an awareness that it’s part of a species ? How can it be aware of the borders of it genus
@conscious_being3 жыл бұрын
The need to dominate that some feel has little to do with scarcity of resources.
@JRichardson7112 жыл бұрын
Resources are no longer scarce for us, but the need to dominate could be built in from millions or years of dealing with scarcity and we haven’t had enough time to adapt yet. Could be. I’m no expert.
@conscious_being2 жыл бұрын
@@JRichardson711 Scarcity of resources, evolution in the times of scarcity of resources etc. Anything to justify psychopathic behaviour. Whatever the reasons, I am not eager to be dominated by psychopaths.
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
Seems to me humans are so desperate for answers, that we skip right over simply observing, absorbing, allowing connections to happen as your awareness and appreciation increases. Allow the simple honest knowable facts to drive one's faith.
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
Our cosmos, the universe that made our Solar System Possible that made Earth possible. Where an incredible amount of folds within folds of constructive harmonic complexity lined up just right, for life to evolve into complex creatures, which eventually evolved into all we see around us, and ourselves. {if you want to be poetic, Humanity, the most exquisite example of god's need and desire to understand herself. Appreciate it as poetry echoing reality}
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
Consider: Physical Reality ~ Human Mindscape There is no body-mind problem, it's a ego~god problem that people are afflicted with. cheers, :-).
@martam41423 жыл бұрын
What a load of bollocks.
@bernardstachman35072 жыл бұрын
Scarcity is just an illusion from the pleasure of competition. Or at least it was something among these lines in Frankfurt School's critic.
@farhadfaisal94103 жыл бұрын
Excellent !
@dr.satishsharma97943 жыл бұрын
Excellent..... thanks.
@1SpudderR Жыл бұрын
Donald....At the 3:00 minute point I started to realise that your “image” appears as if it is imposed separately on the final visual!? I also noticed it on another of your videos!? Am I correct or is this just a hiccup in productions!? Avatar effect one is left wondering?
@doctorajwright84373 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this...but agree with Bernado that using a Goedel approach to mathematically explain consciousness may not be possible..you may not be able to explain the Superset from the Subset....i.e. individuated units of consciousness in Markov bodies will not be able to describe the bigger Consciousness.Personally I believe we can only get an insight into that when the filtering of the brain is removed through for example psychedelics or as described in near death experiences etc
@markanthonymuya62583 жыл бұрын
Wonderful content
@jeffhiggs38302 жыл бұрын
Laymens terms: Choose your battles
@muneshchauhan2 жыл бұрын
Is it necessary to have mathematics to prove consciousness? I think consciousness that is a substratum and all else unfolds in it shall elude detection forever. In that way, it will only be available for the experiencer but in an esoteric way.
@garykezar55532 жыл бұрын
Has Donald considered Tom Campbells Big TOE - it would be interesting to hear his comments on it.
@robertflynn66863 жыл бұрын
Just a simple thought for you guys: If things in reality are all simulated(which I accept) the programming underlying simulation is about laws(logics) of that reality we observe which are also simulated. If however the simulation programming itself is or potentially can itself be simulated within itself, that physics or thought is consciousness. A kind of fractalization of the simulation. Which has basic fractal programming underlying consciousness .. gives it geometry, logics, and valuations. Nature just must have accidentally evolved its own simulation reality process. Does this make sense to base your new theory upon??
@TheUnknownDepths Жыл бұрын
The mystics say and to paraphrase.... "when you know all questions cease to exist". Us normies can only relate at a really superfical level where one asks a question about something and you know from the nature of the question that the questioners entire mental model/framework makes no sense so you don't even know where to begin when trying to answer.
@glynemartin3 жыл бұрын
Call me an idiot-diplomat but I think that "adapting to challenges" and "seeking the most efficient path to progress" is a more skillful view than the view of "competition".
@katherinecannon92643 жыл бұрын
Why does DH assume he can model consciousness with mathematics when mathematics was developed by the mind? Is this the same as a poet saying that poetry with adequate development can model consciousness? At best mathematics it would seem can point in the direction of consciousness as does poetry. Both poetry and math can do that - point - what then? How have we advanced in this conversation of consciousness with math as the pointer? In fact a broader audience can benefit from poetry of nicely crafted words than from a mathematical model?
@thomvogan33973 жыл бұрын
I didn't hear him assume anything
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
@@thomvogan3397 Demanding that Consciousness is a fundamental element of the big bang and the universe's evolution? But you say Hoffman isn't making assumptions. Have you read Hoffman's Case Against Reality,? It's nothing but one big assumption and an amazing amount of self-certitude. Not to mention misrepresenting physics and logic. confrontingsciencecontrarians _ blogspot _ com. /p/case-for-reality_html
@maurylee52393 жыл бұрын
I find it an assumption to say mathematics has to explain consciousness. I do believe that the principles of mathematics are pointers to something more fundamental, a sensible harmonic underpinning. But just like the finger pointing at the moon, math is a pointer, not the thing in itself.
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
@@maurylee5239 Not even sure what your analogy is. Sure math is the key to scientific explanations, but it requires more than math. If you're curious google a video by Arvin Ash on KZbin: "Do all living things have free will? Or are they controlled by DNA and other forces?" Fascinating video that will explain things that math alone can never do. If you find that interesting you owe it to yourself to become familiar with the talks by Dr.Mark Solms, amazing man who will leave you with something to work with in a way Hoffman's babble is incapable of doing. cheers and good luck.
@janklaas688511 ай бұрын
📍25:40
@vaga4272 жыл бұрын
Space is unlimited but it's time that is a constraint. If only the vast useless expanse that we call universe (and muse about habitable planets/mineral sources,etc. in it ) could be transformed into useful time, a lot of time dependent/ decaying energy sources will just become perennial.
@vaga4272 жыл бұрын
For that time will also need to be defined in terms of some packets like photons and a classical unit of time could be made to dilate in terms of the number of those quanta it holds by transforming space into time.
@marxxthespot2 жыл бұрын
🎯
@frankfeldman66572 жыл бұрын
Is Kastrup listening at 23:00 ff? hahaha
@mcmg-museudacriacao.melind405 Жыл бұрын
The Unified Theory , Holomovimento : Espelho d ‘Alma , La Chair de L’Univers all books about mind’s first published
@sonnycorbi43162 жыл бұрын
Approaching CONSCIOUSNESS as tho it were an element - is like your right hand arm wrestling with your left hand - CONSCIOUSNESS is the UNIFIED FIELD - physical science has no business addressing or researching CONSCIOUSNESS - theoretical physics is in a heavy mire - I believe “science” should spend all its time dealing with - GRAVITY - SOME HOW SCIENCE HAS TO FIND A WAY OF UNDERSTANDING AND UTILIZING TWO NORTH ENDS OF THE MAGNET; CONFINED TO A SINGLE (for lack of a better word), ELEMENT - FOSSIL-FUEL THRUST IS SO ANTIQUATED ITS BOARDING ARCHAIC - FORGET ABOUT “A-I” AND WETHER IT CAN JACK ITSELF OFF - NOTHING CARVED IN STONE HERE - I’M A VISUAL ARTIST - THE ABOVE IS A MUSE SORT OF LIKE HAIKU POETRY
@2msvalkyrie529 Жыл бұрын
DON'T GIVE UP THE DAY JOB .!
@rusty1here2 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen you’re not seeing larger picture the reason that we have competition here on this earth is because of our orbit around the sun if we were to move to the orbit of Pluto there would be fierce competition because there’s less light it’s also the reason why the mathematics of the Nash equilibrium/negotiated peace Work the way that they do here on this Earth
@HouseJawn Жыл бұрын
Donald actually has alot of great one liners 🤣
@Johnnyredtail2 жыл бұрын
Donald kind of gives me an idea of what Michael Faraday would have said about Maxwell.
@Johnnyredtail2 жыл бұрын
Hoffman appears to be after the origin of space and time via axiomatic mathematics. Axioms can not be proved. Sounds like Baron von Munchausen's trilemma to me?
@rustybolts89533 жыл бұрын
Physical stuff is easy to identify. Stuff is made of energy if E=MC2 is true. So what is conscious energy? Is the fundamental source of physicality actually conscious energy? If true then we should be able to detect such energy should we not? Since I know I exist and I am for now conscious then I can conclude that I am conscious energy but unless I can reverse the ageing process this state is not a constant. I think we could use quantum based AI computing to build a conscious energy detector which would begin to explain what and who we are... If not then its back to the drawing board... Sorry...
@fukpoeslaw3613 Жыл бұрын
They're in cahoots
@cyberprofessor60083 жыл бұрын
Fascinating but annoying commercials
@StephenPaulKing3 жыл бұрын
Gregg Zuckerman has a neat mathematical theory of consciousness!
@nickolasgaspar96603 жыл бұрын
Neuroscience studies properties of the brain...not mathematics.
@gerardoquirogagoode81523 жыл бұрын
we can think of cells as little souls .... so cells are field perturbations that manifest physically but their core is beyond the physical .... the physical body may die but they don't die ... same with all organisms
@JRichardson7112 жыл бұрын
I like where you’re going in a broad context but did you suggest cells don’t die when the body dies?
@lawrencemichael6633 жыл бұрын
One thus comes to the realm of the civil & the uncivil. Say esprit de corps and state of nature of Thomas Hobbes. The two change the very dynamics of the discussion (unless you prefer the term debate) because the reality dynamics are changed as well. Rest, within the civil, we do away with the words of natural selection/evolution. Games and competitions. Now check the uncivil (basic might is right as ostensibly applicable to Hobbes' State of Nature). It never gets to compete but gets to struggle & fight (often barely managing to wipe its bumhole after excreting). The semantics are crucial. Because the realities are. Analogies often can not only be misunderstood but also misapplied. Bringing us to back to the critical civil-uncivil neccesary divide. ✓ Or the normal, acceptable & the desirable! How do we physically survive in our day to day lives (counting the penal or penalties/penible out as well as garbage dump places)? Around the three conditions. Intriguing because the discussion takes the whole analogy and imaginations outside precisely those basics - of human existence.
@bryanconron91423 жыл бұрын
100%
@felixvandriem15152 жыл бұрын
The advertising during this discussion is extremely annoying.
@pierrebernard59222 жыл бұрын
Can humans survives that is the 1 trillion $ questions?????
@gofai2744 ай бұрын
25:30 i don't know how you sell this to unit 731 victims, or neuralink victims....
@Canonimus2 жыл бұрын
Wishful thinking… nice. Until we do not have a concrete definition of conciousness this seems more like mysticism than science; back to Marie Curie and company
@Mandibil3 жыл бұрын
Competition? There is also parasitism based on threat of murder ... for instance by academics hiding under the skirts of the state, being paid for not pointing out its parasitic nature !
@nesssayahvibes70783 жыл бұрын
☯️🙏🏽🕉
@repton0073 жыл бұрын
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@budweiser600 Жыл бұрын
Literally 10%, is telling us we've evolved to see only a reality that allows us to reproduce and not see real reality, and the other 90% is how great his theory is. While the click bate is what answers he might have as to true reality. But there are never any.
@lookmagazine2667 Жыл бұрын
Hoffman seems half way there but his slightly maniacal spacetime-bending consciousness technology ideas seem WAAAAAY off and completely misguided to me.....I would have loved to have heard Bernardo's thoughts on this.
@fourshore5023 жыл бұрын
the cells commit hairy gary? lol
@MrM97010 ай бұрын
So many holes so little time....
@mrbwatson80813 жыл бұрын
I know another candy 🍬😋you guys need to try, it's fun it's terrifying at the same time and you will be forced to "let go"...... DMT.
@maxwelldillon48053 жыл бұрын
Not to discourage pushing the envelope, but I seriously doubt consciousness is fundamental. That's just my naïve guess though, by all means explore the possibility. Also, the idea of emergent spacetime seems to be rapidly increasing in popularity.
@plafar78873 жыл бұрын
Ok, but what's the alternative? Consciousness emerging spontaneously from "God knows where", if you have some magical configuration of matter? It seems much more implausible.
@mrroberts92303 жыл бұрын
@Simone De Filippo so what’s the point of saying that if no one is aware of it?
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
@@plafar7887 Why does that seem implausible? Have you spent any serious time learning about Earth's pageant of evolution? The evidence for emergent consciousness infuses the entire process. The answer are to be found within learning about Earth's Evolution and not in coddling our amazing imaginative minds. Anyone here ever hear about the 'Physical Reality ~ Human Mindscape divide'? Might be a good place to start reassessing our ego driven mental dynamics and the assumptions we hold as dear as a child's teddy bear.
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
@Simone De Filippo After death you only have the big sleep because your consciousness is an emergent product of your body, when that dies, so too does your consciousness. Why is that so difficult to appreciate?
@citizenschallengeYT3 жыл бұрын
@Simone De Filippo Well, okay, that explains why his stuff makes sense to you. Happy Trails.
@uvi63443 жыл бұрын
Hermeticism. Donald Hoffman is a western Hermeticist and possibly a Martinist
@Sambasue3 жыл бұрын
Mind trying to come up with a science congruent with what is understood by a knowing other than mind.
@RSEFX2 жыл бұрын
DONALD HOFFMAN always taking stabs at the scientific body....and he sorta looks a little like Norman Bates...m'thinks that be kind of appropriate!!
@gofai2744 ай бұрын
Yeah gay prisoner dillemma whole life is coinflipp
@l.rongardner2150 Жыл бұрын
What a hubris-bloated JOKE! No one can possibly find a mathematical model of consciousness. Mathematics, by definition, is the science of measurement, and all that can be measured is that which has been measured out from the Immeasurable, Consciousness Itself. So, it is impossible to measure the Immeasurable, thereby making a mathematical model of Consciousness an impossibility.