Federico Faggin | Bernardo Kastrup: Quantum Physics, Spirituality & Consciousness

This was an excerpt from a 5-week discussion series with Bernardo Kastrup, Nov 2022, with guest Federico Faggin.
Federico Faggin is an Italian-American physicist, engineer, inventor and entrepreneur. He is best known for designing the first commercial microprocessor, the Intel 4004. In 2010, he received the 2009 National Medal of Technology and Innovation, the highest honor the United States confers for achievements related to technological progress.
In 2011, Faggin founded the Federico and Elvia Faggin Foundation to support the scientific study of consciousness at US universities and research institutes.
Bernardo considers him ‘probably the most well-rounded Idealist alive today.’
He has a new book just released available here: www.collectiveinkbooks.com/es...
We discussed:
Federico's journey to his model of reality
How science must completely change to incorporate consciousness
How quantum states make sense when viewed as descriptions of experience
How consciousness and life are nothing like computers
How meditation, spirituality and science relate
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[@b2przemo]

Thank You, My Lord, that I lived so long to see how the stubborn and orthodox way of science starts changing.

[@backwardthoughts1022]

if fraggin was smart he would have donated to the alan wallace's santa barbara institute of consciousness studies

[@RogueElement.]

Oh yeahhh. The 2nd Renaissance is coming. Science is always changing but there are certain troughs that are distinct. We are rapidly approaching one such point. Kids nowadays intuitively discard materialism (simply because we've near fully exploited everything there and yet nothing's changed)

[@whitey6317]

Quantum Physics proved to me God was real. I always knew deep down in my heart but I had so many doubts.

[@LindaRichardson-x5v]

Tom Campbell, retired NASA physicist, wrote My Big TOE about (almost) exactly your brilliant insights/theories here, Dr. Faggin. CUSAC, Center for the Unification of Consciousness and Science, is his website about it. There is an upcoming (September 29th -October 4th, 2024), symposium of scientists working on proving that physical reality is virtual, consciousness is fundamental. The time for a huge shift in science is here! So exciting!

[@aliceinwonderland887]

NHI is slowly showing itself.

[@SholupToklo]

Dude this is exactly what I was trying to explain to my dad yesterday. Thank you!!!

[@Jsonwon]

Yeah, but consciousness does not mean free will, free will has to die with religion.

[@adventuresinawareness]

and did you get it?

[@CosmosArchipelago]

@@Jsonwon What about under the Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe by Langan?

[@PuppetMasterdaath144]

Zero free will? thats just as dumb as religion

[@ALavin-en1kr]

It is heartening that Mr. Faggin had a true experience. It is native and second nature to us to know the nature of reality to be more than gross matter. Hopefully, it will happen to others who cannot seem to comprehend anything else, especially those who hold high positions in science. In the higher ages those who could not comprehend anything other than matter were assigned to the lowest cast and confined to sweeping the streets. Today they hold high positions and unfortunately pass on their incomprehension to a younger generation.

[@JakubNowak-jf8gz]

Not sure I would call them “higher” ages if they relied on a cast system.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

@@JakubNowak-jf8gz A cast system is not a problem if it exists for a legitimate reason. For example if a higher cast had highly educated people or people of high spiritual caliber it was alright so long as it was not closed to people in lower casts rising to its ranks by merit. If a cast system is closed and there is not freedom of movement based on merit that is a problem and society becomes stratified.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

@@JakubNowak-jf8gz The cast system was based on merit and it was fluid not rigid. A person could advance.

[@DM100]

Reminds me of Christs parables ..”he who has eyes to see and ears to hear”. Many, including myself most of the time, do not. Thankful that God is so very good.

[@aliceinwonderland887]

Too bad it takes an experience to have the imagination to consider what may be possible. I am glad he had one. Everything is imagined first. Imagine which way will it work, then you figure out no so you imagine how it will work in a different way so you try that. Imagine that.

[@Catherine-NYC]

This is the most elegant concept I’ve heard since Rupert Spira’s description of non-duality. What a revelation! Suddenly everything falls into place from the logical point of view (for me purely experiential somehow was never enough, I was craving an additional explanation, like a second form of ID).

[@demetrioskasabalis5536]

Superb dialogues! I immensely respect Federico and Bernardo! Thank you to both! If I may humbly make the following remark: "Survival of the fittest" does not mean "Survival of the strongest". It means "Survival of the most adaptive" (to be fit = to be in an optimum state of being). In other words, an organism that most easily adapts to its environment has increased chances of survival.

[@IntuitArt-rb4br]

Panpsychism clarified by both Bernardo and Federico @1:13:11 Thanks to both of you for this amazing conversation. I'll listen again. And again.

[@OfficialGOD]

So Federo sees reality as composed of interconnected conscious entities or "monads" that communicate through quantum information, which has the same characteristics as subjective experience. The evolution of the universe is driven by these conscious entities deepening their self-knowledge and meaning, not just by chance or deterministic physical laws. Laws of physics are more like syntactical rules of language.

[@aliceinwonderland887]

Thanks for summing it up. That's all there is just thought. That's hard to wrap your head around I keep thinking but where does this happen at? and that answer is both everywhere and nowhere. I cannot picture it. lol

[@aliceinwonderland887]

We will become the universe. Wonder about something and have answers.

[@filip5]

Such rich and interesting conversation, indeed bringing two points of view together. And what a timely moment of publication, with the news of the last few days of the Z80 retiring from production. I did not know about Mr. Faggin until last year or so, but for me the Z80 was the heart of my MSX home computer back in the 80s on which I learned to program, also in assembler, and it is still my first love. Then to learn that both of my main interests in life, computing and spirituality, are coming together in this one person, is really beautiful.

[@innerlight617]

Both are brilliant! Real gems for western culture.Thanks for uploading!

[@adventuresinawareness]

thanks for the feedback!

[@robertpupo]

Advaita vedanta and Upanishads outline the nature of reality and consciousness and date back to over 3000 years

[@innerlight617]

@@robertpupo That's very true . Bernardo Kastrup and Dr Donald Hoffman as well, mention it very often.Both they had very interesting discussions with Swami Sarvapriyananda of Vedanta society of NY.Easy to find on you tube.

[@ilariamenapace4838]

‘The non-understanding of quantum physics is not an intellectual problem, it’s a psychological problem’ ✨ thank you Federico Faggin for saying this out loud 👏🏻

[@DM100]

The miracle is the uncreated energy of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit from whom everything exists. The meaning is LOVE!

[@petersenoji]

I guess this kind of thing is too hard for you

[@dospirit79]

He has arrived to a very similar conclusion as another great physicist, Tom Campbell and his book My Big Theory of Everything (TOE)

[@paulmint1858]

Thank you both very much.

[@adventuresinawareness]

Thank you too!

[@cecilmontgomery6612]

Time and space are constructs of conciousness and Consciousness being eternal ... All time is now. What is always has been and always will be.

[@OCTAVVVIANNN]

Time and space are categories a priori of the perception not mind. I. Kant

[@robertpupo]

This is the exact narration and ethos of Advaita Vedanta - written 3000 years back

[@bornatona3954]

I don't thik that( 3000years)make that shit credible but contrary

[@backwardthoughts1022]

@@bornatona3954 then you need to get educated about samadhi and its scientific verification by precisely locating and monitoring the neural correlates for attention and concentration. it will be the strong counterforce to the ai psychosis that will soon sweep through.

[@Sambasue]

It is ageless.

[@indicphilosopher8772]

@@bornatona3954 And materialist horseshit should exists..delusions of a moron that's what materialism should be defined ad

[@AdvaiticOneness1]

Bernardo even did a podcast with vedantic monk.

[@robertamcknight3175]

Opening scientific consciousness, which is so tragically lost in rigid conceptual frameworks is vital to survival. Thank you for opening this dialogue 🙏🏼💚 application will come

[@adventuresinawareness]

thank you!

[@JamesBS]

Time is not experienced from a first person perspective, there is only now. Time is only a concept for tracking changing events. This is the reason why they have difficulty explaining time. It’s like looking for a model to explain a model. Memory is just a set of thoughts experienced in the present, and the same goes for the future.

[@krisc6216]

exactly my thoughts. The past or the future is not somewhere 'out there'; It only exists right here and now.

[@tonynikolaos3527]

Well, I hat we call time can be subjectively experienced and fast or slow based subjective reactions to events’ fluctuations- but the is not objective Time but the subjective experience of Now, through the prism of the “time model” as we try to (retro) fit our reactions and memories onto that model. In fact, Consciousness (C) knows not of Time, but of Now only, because of its Eternality. C can be tortured to accept the notion/concept of Time, it can try and always fail- Mr. Faggin here was correct again in his experience, while in his honesty, intellectually trying to accommodate that Eternal experience, with a vestige of the old model: try fitting an Ocean within a cup!! Of course he could not. I think the next Big Task (if not biggest) and Understanding we need is on the Nature of the Self-Arising quantum system along with the localization of C (anchoring of C) within a q. system/body/energetic system.

[@CorEBijl]

We are all looking for who we are, for harmony, for being one, for the ulimate solution of our problems. That must be somewhere of course. We have conciousness and we are being observed by our conciousness. So who are we? The observer or the one being observerd? Our conciousness must be empty otherwise it connot observe well. We are not empty.. So we are the one being observed and not our conciousness. So what we are looking for must be in our conciousness. How can that be while our conciousness is empty? That can be because conciousness is nondual, is oneness, is harmony. So when we are one with our conciousness we are who we essentially are and experience ourselves what we deeply want. Development of conciousness is the development of being one with our conciousness. Hoe do we realize that? By stopping the suppression of our experiences of duality being our feelings, our pain. So simple is the realisation of our deepest ideal, our to Be.

[@QDoppio]

Great thing to wake up to❤

[@adventuresinawareness]

Thank you!

[@crazyglatze9486]

also great before going to bed🤙🏽♥️

[@scottjacobson4765]

A person is "congruent" when their outside actions match what they feel on the inside! A sense of harmony and agreement between self-image and ideal self When people's behaviors match how they feel and think about a situation, in other words Copied the definition here.. NOT my own words for this definition..cannot send photo of definitions here Thank You SOOO MUCH! FABULOUS PODCAST! 🎉❤

[@tracedinspace]

Having dipped into plant medicines, my world has flipped a couple times to ultimately arrive at what these 2 men are saying. Materialism is literally dead. The perennial wisdom is oriented towards the truth which is life. It's the answer of answers. I hope to be as articulate and knowledgeable as these brilliant minds.

[@tiffanyjoleenbowserdimeco6294]

Beautiful discussion many thanks for sharing this. If people look closely at their direct experience of this thing we call my life… it’s simply the knowing of experience. Thoughts, sights, sounds,smells, textures, tastes, emotions and sensations. When the compulsive and habitual labeling of experience drops, one sees directly that all that exists is awareness or knowing. Everything expands into an infinite uniformity of knowing and you realize there is no subject object relationship… the act of perception, the knowing of perception and the perception itself… is ☝️ thing. We are the whole works. Consciousness is the only thing that is ultimately real. The ground of reality is what we are in our essence. Then … you laugh and laugh… realizing that the you, YOU think you are was never there.

[@scottjacobson4765]

This relative to that! And all comes around! FULL CIRCLE!

[@chargersina]

Thanks, you guys, the best thing that comes out of these shows is the audience accessibility to come out of the box and see reality from a different perspective. 😊

[@seabud6408]

Great discussion. That’s IT! You’ve found the language which accurately points to what is “really” going on. Federico- “The quantum state is a description of the interiority of the world” . It doesn’t matter that this makes no sense to a militant materialist because they have no experiential referent to that dimension. That is why they believe The Universe (all that is was and will be) is dead and mechanical .. despite their own living conscious existence AS that Universe. It’s a loop forged by our universally corrupt education and a it’s guardians in schools and Universities .. with their split off partial perception of the actuality of wholeness. There is a very old book “Cosmic Consciousness” written by a Canadian Psychiatrist Dr Maurice Bucke, in the late 1800’s. He was among the first in the West to compile contemporary and historical instances of the experience of what he called “Cosmic Consciousness” Of course this arose out of his own spontaneous experience of this state, while reading poetry with friends. Much as Federico/Bernardo have described this.

[@Raptorel]

I can't get enough of your channel, super happy to have found it.

[@adventuresinawareness]

So great to hear, thank you! 🙏🙏🙏

[@williamjmccartan8879]

Thank you everyone for sharing your time and work, very nice, peace

[@juergenbloh45]

Thanks a lot for bringing up such beautifull minds together🙏🙏🙏

[@adventuresinawareness]

Our pleasure! Thanks for your support 🙏

[@siewkonsum7291]

Federico Faggin 🙏 Bernardo Kastrup 🙏 Thank you very much 🙏 to share and listen to your great discussion. In the perspective of (One's) True Nature there is no past, present or future. Even the notion of the ever-present 'Now' is a metaphor. One's True Nature is just a part-whole of the entire whole Universal Nature which is boundless & timeless, and it pervades the entire Universe or Dharmadhatu. The boundless, infinite & timeless Universal Nature is in an eternal 'quantum state' (or 'divine' state) which is of ad-infinitum possibilities or manifestations. No humans can know, predict or forsee what will happen and to happen at any arising moment as they are all living or existing by the limits of time & space. Because the human conscious mind is limitation mental program that runs on or based on thoughts or thinking. Hence it is impossible for the human mind to know or understand the eternal & pervading Universal 'quantum' state & its infinite information. It can only be directly experienced (or realized) by momentous sudden & instantaneous glimpse of its True Reality! 😊🙏🙇‍♂️🌷

[@jilltyrrell7525]

Nice one gents 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 and Amir you’ve done a cracking job facilitating this discussion!!!

[@anajovanovic7732]

Thank you! ❤

[@crisb9625]

The most enriching podcast I have ever seen on youtube!

[@adventuresinawareness]

Thanks so much! Really encouraging to hear 🙏🙏🙏

[@ezza88ster]

Wow! I feel like a different person after that. Thank you all so much.

[@adventuresinawareness]

Amazing! Could you share more? 🙏

[@SamaiMujerMedicina]

True science requires to process the inputs/info through both the left and right brain hemispheres, as well as the neuro circuits of the heart. Otherwise it is just boxed scientificism, another 'ism' that pretends to be the BIG and only truth. SO MUCH appreciate these discussions among expanded scientific full brains, minds and hearts. Thank you! You guys are so very generous 🙏🏻❤️

[@N0r8]

I love the end. When Federico says about people being able to understand reality thru their different points of view. That is why I an watching these two and others, and books. I combine their knowledge and it gives me a lot of insights. Sometimes I even thing if Bernardo is able to do that or he is very into his own staff only.

[@jeancarrenpao]

Thank you ❤🌹🙏

[@-RXB-]

Wow, these types of conversations are exactly what I've been looking for. Science and physics mixed with philosophy.

[@ivanozamperla2882]

The very fact that quantum experiments proves that the observers are having different results.. proves what Mr Faggin , and Mr K. are saying for a while. Our searches for The ONE are personal .. interna-external ! Great minds🙏(both!)

[@kolarz2128]

But those who individually found the one will have always the same results, because it's the one

[@ruheerizvi5293]

Marvellous indeed! What concepts 😊

[@giridharg72]

Really a very elaborate explanation of Consciousness 🙏❤️

[@thomassimmons1950]

The work of Nobel Prize winning novelist and playwright Jon Fosse, fits quite nicely inside this conversation. Thank you gentlemen!!!

[@clintborg6174]

I love hearing all of these ideas and many resonate with me . I do get the feeling we'll never all agree on everything, otherwise life would be extremely boring

[@MindRiderFPV]

Fantastic discussion, what a treat. I’m reading his book. Great channel. 🔥🤘

[@adventuresinawareness]

Awesome, thank you!

[@robinstarbuck211]

Brilliant! Answers lots of troublesome questions. ❤

[@adventuresinawareness]

Great to hear

[@marcobiagini1878]

I am a physicist and I will explain why our scientific knowledge refutes the idea that consciousness is generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is physical/biological . My argument proves that the fragmentary structure of brain processes implies that brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies the existence in us of an indivisible unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). I also argue that all emergent properties are subjective cognitive contructs used to approximately describe underlying physical processes, and that these descriptions refer only to mind-dependent entities. Consciousness, being implied by these cognitive contructs, cannot itself be an emergent property. Preliminary considerations: the concept of set refers to something that has an intrinsically conceptual and subjective nature and implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set; what exists objectively are only the single elements. In fact, when we define a set, it is like drawing an imaginary line that separates some elements from all the other elements; obviously this imaginary line does not exist physically, independently of our mind, and therefore any set is just an abstract idea, a cognitive construct and not a physical entity and so are all its properties. Similar considerations can be made for a sequence of elementary processes; sequence is a subjective and abstract concept. Mental experience is a precondition for the existence of subjectivity/arbitrariness and cognitive constructs, therefore mental experience cannot itself be a cognitive construct; obviously we can conceive the concept of consciousness, but the concept of consciousness is not actual consciousness. (With the word consciousness I do not refer to self-awareness, but to the property of being conscious= having a mental experiences such as sensations, emotions, thoughts, memories and even dreams). From the above considerations it follows that only indivisible elements may exist objectively and independently of consciousness, and consequently the only logically coherent and significant statement is that consciousness exists as a property of an indivisible element. Furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact globally with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity is not physical, since according to the laws of physics, there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity can be identified with what is traditionally called soul or spirit. The soul is the missing element that interprets globally the distinct elementary physical processes occurring at separate points in the brain as a unified mental experience. Some clarifications. The brain doesn't objectively and physically exist as a mind-independent entity since we create the concept of the brain by separating an arbitrarily chosen group of quantum particles from everything else. This separation is not done on the basis of the laws of physics, but using addictional subjective criteria, independent of the laws of physics; actually there is a continuous exchange of molecules with the blood and when and how such molecules start and stop being part of the brain is decided arbitrarily. Brain processes consist of many parallel sequences of ordinary elementary physical processes occurring at separate points. There is no direct connection between the separate points in the brain and such connections are just a subjective abstractions used to approximately describe sequences of many distinct physical processes. Indeed, considering consciousness as a property of an entire sequence of elementary processes implies the arbitrary definition of the entire sequence; the entire sequence as a whole (and therefore every function/property/capacity attributed to the brain) is a subjective abstraction that does not refer to any mind-independendent reality. Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. However, an emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess; my arguments prove that this definition implies that emergent properties are only subjective cognitive constructs and therefore, consciousness cannot be an emergent property. Actually, all the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions or subjective/arbitrary classifications of underlying physical processes or properties, which are described directly by the fundamental laws of physics alone, without involving any emergent properties (arbitrariness/subjectivity is involved when more than one option is possible; in this case, more than one possible description). An approximate description is only an abstract idea, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself. What physically exists are the underlying physical processes. Emergence is nothing more than a cognitive construct that is applied to physical phenomena, and cognition itself can only come from a mind; thus emergence can never explain mental experience as, by itself, it implies mental experience. My approach is scientific and is based on our scientific knowledge of the physical processes that occur in the brain; my arguments prove that such scientific knowledge excludes the possibility that the physical processes that occur in the brain could be a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness. Marco Biagini

[@bornatona3954]

I don't think so much words explain anything

[@bornatona3954]

Because you can't solve "problem" which doesn't exist

[@bryandraughn9830]

"My approach is scientific." Glad you explained that. I couldn't tell.

[@Reach41]

Great hypothesis. Now comes the requirement for experimental or empirical evidence to prove it to the satisfaction of peer reviewers, publication in a widely respected journal, and independent replication.

[@marcobiagini1878]

@@Reach41 I have not made an hypothesis but I have provided rational arguments that prove that according to our scientific knowledge brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness. No empirical evidence is required.

[@clivejenkins4033]

Super interesting discussion by two brilliant minds💯👌

[@lourdesherreragonzalez8612]

Thanks thanks thanks!!! This experience of sort of emptiness but softly quickly moving particles; strong, powerfull transparent but plenty brilliant colored (just as things appear) light. Could experienced only once, no smoking, no drinking, but always convinced that Plotino, Kant, and Shopenhauer, even Cortázar and Henry Miller, were there or very close, and,of course, the great sage, Leibniz. So then, the answer had to be in a convinced practice of meditation. Thanks!!!

[@adventuresinawareness]

Thanks for sharing - very interesting experience!

[@lourdesherreragonzalez8612]

@@adventuresinawareness By the way,, can you prepare a dialogue between Alan Wallace, Federico and Bernardo? would be something!!!

[@Dhartiputra12312]

...once I could experience that I am not just a body, not just the energy to what we called soul, which I could see clearly as the drastically moving, turbulent sound producing fire-circles, lwatched my own body and soul-energy at a time being out of both!... and then I realised, I have yet to know more about my Self-my Consciousness, by escaping out of my narrow identity-selves as me as a person, body, soul, emotional or mental being!!..I am knowing through my each realisations by filling up my darker, unknown void, by expanding and acknowleging to my potential knowing😊❤

[@frontsidegrinder6858]

I wonder what Federico thinks of Chris Langans CTMU?

[@dr.satishsharma1362]

Excellent....❤ thanks 🙏.

[@scottjacobson4765]

FABULOUS OPENING!🎉😊

[@adventuresinawareness]

Thank you!

[@UdiDol]

Through materialism, understanding self and the world…. Quite extraordinary indeed! If he is up to deep Dhamma and teaching of consciousness inner and outer world and in relationships, then he could have reached enlightenment.

[@davez9796]

He basically explain in quantum terms what is a mystical experience. I have experienced OBE first time I meditated with Vipassana, how he describes the existential sensations/emotions and feelings he experiences are very similar in all the religious or spiritual tradition of humanity. My journey of expanding my knowledge brought me to recognize that this could be an unconditional love-based reality. Everything is exchanging information (basically sacrificing itself) freely for the benefit of the wholeness, without giving less importance to the singular. Probably more advanced the consciousness is and recognize that, the more the sense of belonging to existence leads us to giving the right honor and respect in every aspect of ones reality.

[@alexmurpictures]

The chocolate example it's a simple way to explain it. Grazie prof. Faggin

[@anjalibiddanda4607]

Great conversation. I have the same question as the first question asker about ‘the one’’, whether the one is not all knowing and only evolves with experience- that wasn’t answered.

[@HigoWapsico]

Fantastic

[@Dhartiputra12312]

Wow!...you gave words to my entropic state of knowing Sir😊...this is how knowledge takes place)... material reality needs light to fall on it for it's manifestation... whereas, consciousness's light is knowing within ❤...in that way, your inner or interior potential knowing (, considering that inexplicable as well which you never spoke through words but I could get connected with that too with the help of my inner knowing!,..again which is the part of Supra- Consciousness as Sri Aurobindo puts it as) connected with my whatever realised knowing through your linguistic, verbal, gestural communication,...which is again filling up my dark void with the light of your, mine connected knowledge 😊...again that void in not empty, it's self known of it's Self, we are just knowing it bit by bit through our act of communication, expressions, experiences of interaction ❤...wow...I am feeling great 😃...thank you Sir🙏❤...love is the ultimate discipline/level of consciousness, that works as a constructing, bonding force among all fragmented pieces of knowledge , material or conscious!...Like music is the food of Love, Love is the food of Consciousness -Omnipotent Knowing😊❤

[@scottjacobson4765]

Uncertainty ***congruent to*** ALL THINGS are possible!

[@annakarl9989]

Hallo all together, humorous company 🤗💞, greatfull companions 💞🤗 Thank you very much for wonderful TALK,. Love ❤ IT Especially Federico VIEWS and naturally Bernardo koments and other companions specifically questions. Thank you 🎉

[@adventuresinawareness]

Thanks so much 🙏

[@CGMaat]

You both were totally quintessentially inspiring - that by you , federico and bernardo - we can become more .

[@LunarBoy]

"Darkness (or Void) can potentially be everything" is one of the best quotes that I bring out from this beautiful conversation.

[@NondescriptMammal]

Yes, a statement like this that inherently contradicts itself, makes a catchy sound bite, if you ignore the fact that if you parse the semantics of that statement it is entirely nonsensical. How can a void, which is by definition nothing, potentially be everything?

[@krisc6216]

About time: whether it exists or not depends on your defintion of it. Defining it is already a challenge on its own. But in any way i can define it: it just doesn't exist. And once you see that, you cannot unsee it anymore. You realize that you never experienced any other moment than 'now'. Everything remains in 'now', but in a constant state of change. I experience my own body in a constant state of change, but the different stages of it are not being left behind in the past. The version of me 5 years ago only exists in my memory, and can only be recalled now.

[@adventuresinawareness]

Beautifully put 🙏

[@eminesavasir1598]

I love them both ❤️

[@tonynikolaos3527]

Brilliant conversations! Thank you! On similar, yet another note: anybody has any ideas on how C interacts with the local body? Let’s just dive in the pool and develop productive brainstorm: What’s the Nexus between C and the Q. System? Let’s be practical: if we find this interaction we have both solved the problem of Interaction (intersection) between the Fundamental Subjective Reality and the Emanating Objective Reality. Not to mention that all physicalists will fade and fall like “old autumn leaves” automatically … Here is where my thoughts shop and chop: 0. The first and only basic premise is: C is Elemental, basic and is Everywhere. Space or Emptiness is its physically emanated outside corollary. When C looks outside itself, it sees (again) itself (but as Space) and from different external POV. C being fundamental and omnipresent is impenetrably simple thus impossible to detect as such. In such omnipresent mode, C is like inactive Space, sleeping, just like in dreamless sleep. But when C or Space gets localized by entering into temporary entanglement with an energetic system or body it activates (wakes up locally) and has local experience. Actually what we call experience is simply the Reflections of the local Undulations on the “surface” of C, or projected light onto the localized C. Being indivisible One, yet limited to a localization, it forgets it’s “indivisibility” and starts “dreaming” (projecting, absorbing) local vistas and energy fluctuations- eventually accumulating experience and developing various modes of expression, experience and MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR US, Develops Various NEXUSES, (interfaces or connections) with its local bodies). Actually, even though, looks complex, the 0th premise is just fundamentally too simple: once we accept it, all within simply follows logically. Now onto the most important questions: The Nexus? 1. there should be some greater localization of C within brain tissues and/or spine fluid then vs the rest of the body tissues/organs. 2. The spine fluid at night, while unconscious, does flood the brain, few times, on and off, cleaning and repairing brain tissues through glial cells-neurons interactions. Why this procedure shuts temporarily our C (as we sleep)? 3. We may dream (with-in) C while doing nocturnal janitorial business- usually about suppressed energetic things, ideas, desires, wishes, fears- anything that may require more additional cleaning/balancing, as if there is a C leaking within the night System, or C picking unintended remnants of (harder to deal with) work . What does that mean? 4. The actual Nexus of our body and C must be different with higher animals vs worms, vs bacteria vs trees and plants, fungi and cells, atoms and particles etc. so there is a evolution of the Nexus of the C interacting with its localized systems. What is it? 5. C or it’s Nexus with the body rather, should be looked for within central, internal regions, perhaps more then in peripheral regions/simply because the Center remains as the simplest most natural way for spontaneous accumulation while development. I would defer with the frontal context as a seat of C, simply because it points to being a possible seat of Self-C, not C itself. Probably we should look for the internals like: Medula oblongata, Hypothalamus, Pineal Gland, Spine fluid. But there should be an actual physical Gate, acting as a localizer of C. 6. Noble gasses (somehow) alter C, locally and if stronger, sever the link (temporarily or permanently in older weaker people) of C with the body. Why and how? 7. Can we make experiments with noble gasses and quantum collapse? Can we “noble gas” or temporarily anesthetize a quantum system, or the equivalent of it? Is such thing possible? 8. Can we try to look through Evolution ‘s Crescendo and decipher all Main stages of Body-Nexus-C development? We may find a lot, through systemic translations/modulations of the parameters. Anybody any ideas along these lines?

[@mahakaal7444]

Beautiful. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@lencoller6477]

Brilliant ❤

[@sciencefordreamers2115]

A good one!

[@bradbear]

This sounds very much like Rosicrucian thought with its description of “entities” and the god head (One) but just using slightly different language. Fascinating developments in the world of consciousness and ultimate reality.

[@williamreed862]

Time does not exist wihtout us, it is as simple as that Time requires someone or somthing to acknoledge it by measuring its existience. time is a property of matter as it creates two points of reference which can be measured. this measurement between the two points is time. Time is a construct of human intellect in order that we may be able to describe the dimentionality of the reality we experience.

[@user-pt4qd8fs8k]

Please arrange a meeting with Bernardo and Dan Winter (electrical engineer/physicist) and his Consciousness/metabolism/negentropy hypothesis of 'Non-destructive implosive charge-compression' - its awesome, and totally unique, trust me!.. x thanks

[@ChristianSt97]

great!

[@jasonmiller7794]

WOW... Only 40 minutes in and I want to find out how to talk with these guys, and share the experiences I have had since I was an 8 year old child; I am in my 64th year now, and feel I finally understand. It took more than 1/2 century of life and contemplation/meditation..... These guys are talking with language that agrees with my own discoveries..... I had no idea that I would use fundamental quantum physics to graphically illustrate my own experience. Yes, quantum physics is a descriptor of the "inner world".

[@adventuresinawareness]

Great to hear! Perhaps we'll get Federico back and you can join the conversation

[@UAP_Close_Encounters]

really this is much like the concepts in the book -the science of getting rich

[@michaelberke1851]

Brilliant

[@bsmith577]

Knowing ones self is actually very simple. Space is the most consequent thing in the universe and everything we do or think is because of space. We are stuck on the physical when our hole being screams of being part of space. Our thinking is all spacial, show me what part of thinking is not spacial. All action, movement deals with space.

[@MarkusHJordi]

Danke!

[@adventuresinawareness]

Thank you so much! Your support is so greatly appreciated 🙏🙏🙏

[@hoykoya3382]

Federico's metaphysics strikes similarities to Schopenhauer's. You can hear him utter words like "free will" and "representation." It's so fascinating that these ideas pop up time and time again throughout human history independently of one another.

[@user-pt4qd8fs8k]

In a sense, the fact that all seemingly 'separate' sentient beings (be it a 'human being' or a 'honeybee') are, by default, consciously adverse to or repulsed by the activity of self-attention is all you' need to know.. This is no 'coincidence', being that sustained self-attention (i.e. 'meditation'; 'Non-destructive implosive charge-compression') dispels the psychosomatic illusion of 'subject-object split' ('duality') as it at once compresses, then illuminates, and thus negates the concept of 'linear-time' ('past'-future') and with it the façade and impetus for biological 'evolution' - which is really an 'evolution' of insentient ideas, of lifeless thought (''the collective unconscious'') In this unbridled way of absolute and uncompromising clarity we can distinguish the phenomenal; that 'is' the unqualified 'objective' inference (or 'dreaming') or projection of 'space-time' i.e. 'collective unconscious' (i.e. what you're not) from timeless and spaceless Awareness; (non-binary, non-linear, & non-computational) being the noumenon - what alone exists, what You' already and forever are; pure and indivisible Being (verb) or Awareness ('that' which already is, without name, form, or colour) #indivisibleBeing #alreadyboundless

[@josephszot5545]

The key to man's success in all things is symbiosis, competition is good in sports not in running a society, it leads to waste of resources.

[@michaelberke1851]

In speaking about time and memories in relation to different points in time, it would have been interesting to hear the participants’ views on the Mandela Effect.

[@geoffwalker5884]

Are Fredrick’s book translated into English ? Brilliant conversation . Thank you so much

[@adventuresinawareness]

Yes they are! Link in description

[@JerimeBascon]

No HUMAN HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO OVERWRITE ANY HUMAN BEING!!!

[@anthonyfiolet8930]

Everything you seek is inside you

[@calculusmetal]

I'm saying that to my wife tonight 🤘

[@calculusmetal]

I'm saying that to my wife tonight 😉

[@MichaelMcCausland-pg6qs]

I am no thing and everything nowhere and everywhere I/We are one with all!

[@nickkaltz738]

Thank you (I didn't even start)

[@gertjanstoffers786]

Time is always there and space is endless. Both we can not experience.

[@daisykuchinad3624]

A future question for Bernardo and Frederico: Could “Time” be just an artifact or illusion of Newtonian Classical Physics. This physics is created for “matter” which implies “separateness” and this requires the insertion of the concept of “Time” Quantum on the other hand has no material or separateness and hence does not need “ Time”

[@aliceinwonderland887]

Federico talked about experiencing samadhi. He said he was looking at the universe and he realized that he was the universe. This is how ego dissolution has been described. If we are the universe then how could there be time? Are we supposed to be everywhere happening all at once? Hey I'm the universe. Time to smoke one.

[@ArlindoPhilosophicalArtist]

Well done! Both men are brilliant and I highly recommend their books. We are the eternal witness. Reality is a mental construct shared by many conscious observers. On my channel, I explain why metaphysical idealism should be the default position-not materialism, as such a view suffers from the hard problem of consciousness, which is an impasse, and physicalist metaphysics itself violates Occam's razor.

[@joeyrufo]

But consciousness isn't a "hard problem" under dialectical materialism, which sees reflection as simply a property of the material universe, and sees consciousness, or "mental reflection," as simply this kind of reflection "quality shifted" into forms of computation, including the creation of purpose and planning! Where's the impasse?

[@joeyrufo]

"the 'idea' is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind and translated into forms of thought." -Marx, Afterword to Capital

[@ArlindoPhilosophicalArtist]

@@joeyrufo Where's the impasse? Are you kidding me? How and when does quantity become quality? Why should there be a what it is like to be a system? You either endorse physicalism-where there is only dead matter and minds are just illusions (which makes no sense because you need a conscious observer to be mistaken about what is perceived) OR you endorse constitutive panpsychism, which also has problems because it still requires matter to exist in order for there to be consciousness. Constitutive panpsychism basically says that matter is inherently conscious-which explains nothing. The only plausible explanation, which observes the irreducibility of consciousness, is that this one is a fundamental-therefore it doesn't rely on anything else to exist and is the very ground of existence. It is, therefore, prior to appearances such as matter. Consciousness does not depend on any predicator just as a photon does not require a secondary light source to be seen; it is its own light.

[@ryanashfyre464]

Yes. Another way to say it (to help people understand it more easily) is that this world is akin to a dream that the universe is having. This also, IMO, makes the concept of an 'afterlife' or Heaven much more intuitive.

[@ArlindoPhilosophicalArtist]

@@joeyrufo Yeah, Marx wasn't a neuroscientist and jumped the gun there. He also said time was invented by clock companies in order to sell, which is absurd. I can tell you precisely why materialism violates Occam's razor and why metaphysical idealism should be the default position (or at least more compelling). Take a look at the following statements: 1. Your mind exists 2. Other minds apart from your own also exist 3. Things independently exist outside minds 4. Things outside minds can generate minds A true sceptic realises that materialism violates Occam's razor and concludes that idealism provides the simplest and most effective, metaphysical explanation of reality. Materialism, or physicalism, requires all these four statements to be true. Idealism only requires the first two to be true. As you can see, materialism requires more leaps of faith than idealism. The only statement that one can be sure of is number one, but in order to avoid the problem of solipsism and pragmatically uphold the theory of mind, both metaphysics must consider that statement number two must be true: other minds exist apart from one's own. This is the only leap of faith required of idealism-and it is a small one since we already know, from personal experience, that a mind can and does exist. It's easy to extrapolate from what is already known and posit the existence of a plurality of the same kind of phenomenon, namely, the conscious perception of other sentient beings. Materialism requires statements three and four in addition, and both are bigger leaps of faith, since we can never truly confirm that a world exists outside of consciousness without being aware of it in the first place, and we have no evidence nor the slightest idea of how anything unconscious could ever give rise to consciousness. As the scientist Bernardo Kastrup pointed out, '...everything you can ever know comes into consciousness the moment you know it, so the belief that there are things outside consciousness is an abstraction beyond knowledge.' So now consider how bad the last statement is as it postulates that things whose existence you cannot verify are responsible for the only thing you can be absolutely sure to exist: your own consciousness. Statement number four runs counter to the natural direction of inference, which is, the unknown is inferred from the known, not the other way around. Materialism isn't empirically deduced from the scientific process, it is a belief born out of medieval propaganda to politically subvert the power and influence that ancient religious dogma had over people. It began with the heretical rebellion of the Middle Ages as religion stood in the way of freedom and progress. Materialism isn't just false, it's untenable. The only reason we have come to believe in the last two statements with the advent of the age of reason is that we seem to share a common world. After all, two different individuals can describe the same surroundings and come to a mutual agreement based on what they observe simultaneously. But idealism is congruous with this observation without requiring huge leaps of faith like materialism. Metaphysical idealism doesn't require solipsism to be true as we have already established. Different conscious observers can agree on a shared mental construct that makes up an ostensibly external reality apart from their egoic minds. One can have one's private dreams as well as share a collective dream, as it were. At the moment, as human beings, we experience a narrow and limited perspective of reality, but without our anthropic avatars, we are, in theory, unbounded consciousness. We are both the part and the whole as access to other states of awareness, including a primordial and pristine cognition, is available to us through certain types of meditation. The interactive holarchy described in the alumnus Cosmin Visan's idealist theory of consciousness-which was brought to my attention recently-aligns well with subjective as well as ostensibly objective, verified facts about reality. On my channel, I've got multiple videos highlighting reasons why materialism is not only untenable, it is false.

[@chipkyle5428]

It would be interesting if your guest discussed free will with Robert Sapolsky.

[@Flowstatepaint]

Great

[@robertamcknight3175]

Would like to hear your thoughts on Bohm’s work

[@joelmichael777]

Amazing! Like listening to a guide……..hmmm..wonder why🤣😇🙏💜

[@MichaelMcCausland-pg6qs]

We all exist in our own internal universe the new bring through the external universe of sacred geometry, platonic shapes and frequency

[@CasinoBaccaratKingmaker]

Quantum entanglement ❤❤❤

[@btlfilmmedia9514]

Knowing and existance brings into existence our reality ..How to achieve that ..??

[@aletheia161]

I find Penrose's idea that the collapse of the wave function is prior to consciousness, a more promising hypothesis.

[@ransomaugust42]

“TIME” Electromagnetism Superconductor is when magnetism lay dormant then flips and electrons lay dormant.

[@estaciopimentel9530]

Come to Brazil please 🙏🏻

[@Lesser302]

1:12:28 very well said doc

[@Lesser302]

Pensychisem is just a explanation of units between here and there 1:15:52

[@bradbear]

I would love to hear Frederico and Jacque Valleé speak. Nobody would know what is being discussed except them. 😂 They are pointing to something for sure.