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[@harrisonburn3600]

As a European, Homelander is the character manifestation of what we currently see America as generally.

[@williamerazo3921]

Yup

[@childeroland2569]

Lot of Americans see America that way too.

[@MrDrelitus]

Maybe you should look at yourselfs first and how things are going there

[@BigVVitchEnergy]

As an American, I’m ashamed to say that we are indeed the Homelander of the globe. Please tell me he dies in season 5…

[@ikexbankai]

@@MrDrelitusI’m from America BORN AND RAISED AND HAVE NEVER LIVED ANYWHERE ELSE. And I think Homelander is much more representative of America than Captain America

[@Uldrod]

Grace, you're awesome and I love you but, with all due respect, the only ones who think that way about America are americans.

[@TheAsuraeva]

💯

[@damdaniel5106]

I was thinking the exact same.

[@rodrigoalvarez9561]

Not to mention that the US caused so many troubles in the XX century including underdevelopment in my country. But at the same time I get the point on having a "way of living to rely on" but it's far from perfect.

[@holdeck]

Yeah, I was shocked at this discussion. The world has not viewed America as a beacon of light for a very long time

[@RuddFoxx]

Well if you don't like it, either Europe or China could do something in the world. Ukraine shouldn't even be a thing if you guys wanted. You guys can't even have the amount of children a Chinese Panda Bear has. I mean even can't do that. So I am supposed to respect your opinion about us.

[@lukeskywalker1512]

The fact that twitter got that upset about both of these topics is a great reason for getting off of twitter lol. Both of these stories seem a little overblown in my opinion, like yeah that superman shots bad, yeah Anthony Mackey worded that poorly, but also like, thats it?

[@Yakita60]

Agreed! A bunch echo chambers of non-issues.

[@simmerdowncookie]

This is the issue of removing yourself from Twitter?

[@deadpool-s3s]

If you are in the US free speech rules now

[@sainttrai]

Captain America was literally an outlaw to the US for most of Civil War and all of Infinity War

[@AverageJoe483]

So ? America isn’t our government. America is our ideals and people .

[@ikexbankai]

@@AverageJoe483our government is our people though. It’s literally a government of the people by the people for the people. Without the people there’s no government and the people are the government

[@ssshar2176]

@@ikexbankainot now though.

[@andyseinfeld1954]

@@ikexbankai is that how u would describe Americans against American government which is what most republicans are

[@johnbox271]

The Sokovia Accords (United Nations). So the United States listening to the UN is the problem?

[@mosesoftheblock2311]

The modern day representation of America is neither Captain America (Sam Wilson) nor Superman. It is Homelander.

[@maxorcism]

1000%

[@MaxBeck26]

Unfortunate but true

[@daevonanthony7962]

So leave or don’t come here, Sam Wilson makes 10’s of millions of dollars here in the USA but wants to shit on us?

[@ianw0ng]

@daevonanthony7962 your orange ovelord shit on america all the time during campaign yet he wanted to be the leader of usa. maga is a bunch of hypochrites.

[@dylangullberg7383]

@@daevonanthony7962It’s not as easy as it sounds.

[@pk88-fz5wy]

Grace is working overtime to do PR for Disney. They should send her a paycheck

[@sinan3674]

26:30 Grace I don't agree AT ALL. Getting RDJ and Evans back for this Saga's finaly seems very cheap to me. Building this Saga on so many new characters & then getting these actors back for the big Avengers movies? No, thanks. This kinda killed my excitement for it.

[@leonthesleepy]

Same, getting RDJ and Evans reeks of a desperation move, and it just cheapens what came before. I hated the Multiverse era because there was no stakes, and this is just doubling down on that.

[@Uldrod]

@ Exactly!

[@dave11a82]

You have a valid point there 🤔

[@_Tennille]

Agree! I’m not feeling it. It feels unoriginal.

[@jacosisaba]

I'm so tired of RDJ. Everyone acts like he's the greatest actor and want him in everything. The fact they are bringing him back to play a different character is so dumb.

[@onasispaulino1171]

Right? It is such a weird, desperate move

[@robotbatman23]

he needs to do sherlock holmes 3 film already it's way past due am not get any younger over here shit lol

[@jkb_games_music]

Im pretty sure outside of him being iron man nobody likes him as an actor lmfao

[@sakuragi1062]

@@jkb_games_musicAre you sure about that?He just won oscar for Oppenheimer and people love him for that

[@Aaron-zl5gq]

and you are clearly not the audience there going for lol

[@twincast2005]

38:10 LOL, no. We Western Europeans were grateful for what the US did in WW2, but any notion of you saving the world went out the window with Vietnam, even if we rightly considered the USSR to be the far worse alternative while it lasted. If anything, if it weren't for Trump showing us the folly of unwavering trust in you, Putin's invasion of Ukraine made us appreciate the presence of US troops for the first time in decades. We like/love your pop culture and let you strongarm us (politically and socially) into a less severe take on your disastrous War on Drugs, but we mock/hate your XXX puritanism, jingoism, and American exceptionalism overall. Conversely, Latin America, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia have plenty of reasons to detest US intervention. And the one time the US got bigly involved in Subsaharan Africa ended in disaster.

[@johnn_.e]

Absolutely no disrespect to you, but as a European, I do not in any way see or have ever regarded America as a ‘beacon of hope’. That feels like a really insular view. Dope stream though!

[@masonriley3671]

The more grace talked the more I realised Americans actually do think they are the centre of the world

[@SamRiesgo]

42:20 She can't even conceive that being the shinning city on a hill was an American Idea, not the world's idea. We accepted their terms because they were the global superpower. And then, they drank the cool-aid and really believed they were the light of the world. WTF.

[@kyleb8655]

All people think their the center of the world 🤷🏽

[@SamRiesgo]

@@kyleb8655 Not Spain. Hahaha

[@assegai7055]

I mean they kind of are

[@kyleb8655]

@ I agree. America is definitely the main character

[@Hakshavalah]

Watching Grace catch up with social and political realities that we've all been discussing for the past 2 decades (at least) is fascinating... business (neoliberal capitalism) really is an incredibly alienating bubble.

[@SocialExhaustion]

The Superman controversy is not that deep to me. So next

[@dreamforall5833]

Captain America literally represents what america should be not necessarily who we are. It’s not that deep, these characters are meant to inspire us to be better. Sam and Steve are no different they are meant to be guys who just wanna do the right thing and fight to protect EVERYONE.

[@darriuscole8544]

I sided with Cap in Civil War, but in no way did Tony turn into the villain. It was a legitimate difference of opinion between two valid schools of thought.

[@HisNameWasCrazy]

It always amazes me that many people still hate Tony even though he literally sacrificed himself to save humanity (twice if you count what he did at the end of Avengers 1).

[@PaballoKobe-xh9ve]

Yes he did turn into the villain. Specifically afterwards because he basically turned america into a police state. Thn that police state was taken over by Norman Osborne. He laid the ground work for siege and dark avengers because he couldn't see how dangerous it was for america to have access to that much of people (especially superpeoples) information

[@darriuscole8544]

@@PaballoKobe-xh9ve - That's in the books. We are talking about the MCU.

[@rone.7735]

Disney needs to start a promotion boot camp for their actors.

[@jimmyti1499]

Yes!

[@morningview-ok]

They already do - it’s called “media training”. All actors and directors need to attend before going on press junkets. Disney are notorious for it, especially with their child stars. That doesn’t stop missteps though, just look at Blake Lively back in late 00s.

[@abe_froman8360]

This isn't his first junket.

[@ikexbankai]

Why would he censor what he believes?

[@kpsk8031]

@@ikexbankai because he damages his employer and the people whose livelihood depends on the success of this film.

[@antonybeney]

Agh America isn’t known outside of its patriotic traditions to be the shining city on a hill to the rest of the world 😬 America isn’t something to look up too. They also aren’t the only country in the world to attempt good. As for the last few decades America as an image world wide is the butt of the joke of the world 😬 I watch these superhero films as I love the worlds and stories and the escape from the real life horrors in the world hint hint America 😂

[@bgblock83]

Superman and captain America were never a representation of America or its values thats why they stood out against other heroes and villians. People doing good for the sake of good regardless of political power/influence or financial gain is not an American quality. Thats why they stood out....that was the point. The americans we want to represent us. Not the american representation we have.

[@armanimartinez8105]

I don’t care for captain America but Superman was literally created by two Jewish immigrants making a hero for everyone and since his conception he was truth- justice- and the American way….. sooo what are you talking about ….. Superman before 2005 represented America and its values for decades to the point presidents acknowledged it and the rest of the world respected it. Not until the 2010’s did we see a shift with Superman being a “world hero” and he’s suffered by that change greatly. Funny how two straight white farmers in Kansas find him and raise him but he’s not AMERICAN….

[@bgblock83]

@armanimartinez8105 I'm not speaking on what he was meant to represent. I'm speaking on America itself. Do you know what the American way was in 1938 when he was created? They should have stopped a truth and justice 😆

[@baz80s18]

I'm British, and I don't know a single British person that sees America as a "beacon of light" quite the opposite and I think that's part of the appeal of the Steve Rogers era of Captain America. American ideals ARE something we can see from other countries as good things. I think the problem Sam Wilson has as captain America is that pretty much every fan liked him as falcon, there has been no good reason he couldn't have stayed as falcon and done the exact same things. I get he was cap in the comics but it just didn't work in falcon and winter soldier so I we are starting on a really bad foot. I guarantee that if he had stayed falcon and this was the falcon movie 1 instead of captain America 4 the buzz would be better. And THEN to say he doesn't stand for America makes it even more pointless.

[@w.w.1348]

I'm going to go see this movie. I agree that I would have liked to have seen a Falcon movie with a similar premise.

[@FieldofWings24]

That’s the issue with a lot of Americans. They deify the country which stunts its growth. It’s great being a patriot but the US is not the poster child of morality and if they want it to be they need to admit it’s run by billionaires who gas light social issues to keep the citizens divided. Steve Rodgers didn’t trade his morals to remain patriotic.

[@mk6rfc1]

Well we have Torres now as the new falcon, so I would say it works as Sam getting promoted to Cap

[@RuddFoxx]

@@FieldofWings24 Our problem is trying to obsessively stay ahead of China. Just to have ANY chance at that we cannot afford a ton of social programs and stuff. I feel that we will eventually lose and become a Russia style dictatorship OR possibly even just be supported by China and create a One World Government together. lol sorry for a random conspiracy to a random commenter but anyway

[@stevenlgreco]

Not surprising given the state of the UK these days.

[@ThePontiffofPonWolf]

I agree if Mackie added "only" to his statement it might have hit softer

[@ChienaAvtzon]

Especially, since he comes across as being in the center.

[@Ray03595]

@@ChienaAvtzon This. He's clearly misspoken because he typically never wades into these sort of discussions and prefers to be left alone. I agree with Grace, if he had just added the word "only", this wouldn't be a headline. But the internet is going to run with it, and blow it up and all the ragebait channels see easy money here.

[@coreysmith733]

You really have to be chronically online to know these two stories.

[@thatKONNORguy]

I don’t understand the hate for the Superman shot. It’s not my favorite either but it looks A LOT like Adam Warlock’s flying scenes and no one had a problem with that.

[@jessevjames]

That's an excellent point!

[@anshelman]

Aside from making it a meme, you’re right. The Superman hate is really weird to me 😕

[@Jk_hbngfvg]

Those sucked too

[@andypiertz7387]

I remember Grace saying Adam Warlock had a good flying scene and it’s a good sign for Gunn’s Superman

[@emanuelsonJnr]

​@@anshelmanSome Marvel fans disguise themselves as Snyder fan boys to hate on the new Superman & root for the DCU to fail before it even begins. I have proof!

[@VonCroy-y2p]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I see nothing wrong with that Superman shot. His eyes look fine. Look at your own eyes in photos. They're not always perfectly aligned.

[@jimmyti1499]

Completely agree. Sometimes people just want to find fault in everything.

[@AnthonyMcNeil]

The internet will be the internet.

[@kcn6424]

Everyone is in a tizzy about a shot that may not even be in the movie. 🙄

[@jasonmcginnis]

If your eyes don’t work together it’s a legit medical problem. It’s not “normal”.

[@lockariques]

plus he was flying at sonic boom speed, his facial muscle are bound to get messed like a dog hanging its head out of a speeding car

[@sinan3674]

To be honest. Nowadays I don't think Captain America or Superman represent the US. Sry, but it's hands down, no competition HOMELANDER!

[@Gothamite40k]

Superman is the character America thinks it is. Batman is who it actually is. That's why Batman remains hugely popular worldwide. The rest of us aren't having any shit about America being a force for wholesomeness in the world. You're not. You all need to learn that.

[@emanuelsonJnr]

Is that the reason why the Batman 2022 couldn't outgross Doctor Strange and grossed as much as Thor: Love & Thunder which was considered a failure?

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

Wait it only grossed as much as Love & Thunder? I actually didn't know that.

[@JZG88]

Respectfully... This is too much mental gymnastics trying to defend Anthony Mackie's comments. You're Captain America, hello. His engery is giving "I don't celebrate The 4th of July" it's a no for me... Also, how can y'all be so hard on superman having a wonky eye, Anthony Mackie's Captain America looks like he got a BBL - 20:40 Just look at those hips!

[@BishopBrown-ng2ns]

"Mental gymnastics" is right. Grace is like Clint Eastwood jumping to take the bullet in "In the Line of Fire" to protect Marvel. Cap 4 was going to be a hard sell. Mackie's comments added yet another obstacle.

[@DaGO60-c1j]

Love your comment

[@Literaluis]

US imperialism and nationalism is killing the planet so you might want to sit down when wondering, you might be the bad guy lol. The call is coming from inside the house.

[@gohanson27]

Anthony is selling a film to folks overseas. Why would they go see a film about Capt America? Come on we are men not sissy.

[@BishopBrown-ng2ns]

@gohanson27 Did you see the entire video. How hard is it to say America represents the ideal. I don't feel he loves but tolerates America. RDJ is a big liberal but he loves the USA.

[@LEOIAMLEOONYOUTUBE]

I am not on the Twitters, I am on the KZbins, and, I didn't hear Anthony Mackies comments until now and I love the way that you put it Grace! TBH Ever since I was a child I have always found everyone odd the way that they believe in these imaginary lines on maps. As a child, I know, that on earth we are all one small puzzle piece in a grand tapestry of nature. We are one world, we are one people.

[@mj4193]

When you introduce governments and taxes, that logic does not hold up, unfortunately. It's a nice thought though.

[@JillVlantine-l7v]

All im hoping for is that C.A.P 4 is good. That's all it needs to do. If the movie is good, then people will go see it. I want more R.E.D H.U.L.K!!!

[@MrOiManDudeGuy]

I’ve seen Cap 4, it’s not great, it’s going to disappoint anyone going for the Red Hulk element. The movie doesn’t further Sam’s character development or progress the MCU forward in any real meaningful way

[@gohanson27]

Right i think the Cap films are the best in the MCU. Just hoping this captures the 3 previous films.

[@mosesoftheblock2311]

Enjoy your 5 min

[@jgil8466]

Captain America is the embodiment of patriotism and the American spirit. Growing up, my brother read so many Captain America comics, so much so that his love for the character became one of his inspirations to become a proud service member. Anthony Mackie is certainly entitled to his beliefs and opinions, but as a professional and businessman, one has to wonder what was going through his mind when making such bold statements, especially during a very sensitive time for both the country and the MCU brand.

[@morningview-ok]

I’ll tell you what’s going through his mind - he’s a Black guy in modern America, and the general public have made their opinions of Black people very clear with the election of Donald Trump. This transcends being a “professional” and a “businessman”, it’s become a question of his own personal identity.

[@ikexbankai]

@@morningview-okthank you! And as a black man thank you

[@jamiedoe6822]

You have never read Captain America

[@emanuelsonJnr]

Have you been to Facebook lately? The Superman controversy is literally trending over here there.

[@kingquestOZ]

​@@morningview-okexactly 👏🏿

[@seangalvin4582]

David Cornswet is so handsome and cool in Pearl. Its a good movie no matter, but its worth watching to see him in it. He has classic movie star looks and presence.

[@simmerdowncookie]

Or wolverine! 😍

[@beniwestside]

Mackie is saying, if a man can watch Barbie and find something of himself in that film, so should an Italian be able to find something of themselves in a Captain “America” movie. The audience shouldn’t have to be a one for one match with the character to be able to relate.

[@Ruylopez778]

Great. But Avengers Endgame was the 2nd biggest movie of the Italian box office in 2019. Italians don't need to be convinced they like Marvel characters - although the MCU arguably hasn't made a decent movie since 2019, but that has nothing to do with Marvel characters not being relatable and everything to do with bad writing and hubris.

[@Ruylopez778]

A lot of cope, Grace. Endgame was an international hit. You don’t need to ‘sell’ Cap to an international audience by downplaying “America”. Also, it’s true that most people are sick of the billionaires - but the *globalists & their NGOs* are what is being rejected, not nations, or the identity and culture of those nations. Mackie’s comments were clumsy and will be intentionally misrepresented by those who chose to do so. He needs to Do Better.

[@Andre_APM]

I think the backlash is just people deliberately misinterpreting Mackie's words

[@AverageJoe483]

Then explain it to us .

[@qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7]

@@AverageJoe483 He was in another country downplaying the role of America in a character he wanted people in another country to see. It’s not that serious. He wasn’t making some big personal belief statement. He was doing what his boss asked him to do for his job. I say shit for work that I don’t really believe because the nuance of truth takes time, and my boss doesn’t give me that time. It’s just not that big a deal. People misspeak all the time and it’s a fine thing we don’t need to get upset about.

[@AverageJoe483]

@ interesting . Saying things because your boss said so despite beliefs ? Kind of against the ideals of Cap . Ironic .

[@winnablepeach135]

@@AverageJoe483he’s a actor bro it’s a movie with a red hulk 😭

[@kingquestOZ]

Of course because Hydra has won

[@Jon.S]

Grace: "Are we the baddies?" 😁

[@greggory4604]

Grace, you continue to go down the unhinged road with your increasingly out of touch takes on things politically.

[@berlinorellana4998]

Well it’s called OPINION we all have one, like buttholes

[@Atlasss97]

As a Brit, America stopped being the shining light on the hill once I became a teenager, joined social media and saw the reality of your healthcare, your politics, your gun laws, your weak unions and labor laws, your politics.

[@simmerdowncookie]

Understandable

[@KuratedbyKaleb]

Respectfully, how is your government competing with America? Is Britain the shining beacon on a hill?

[@EverywhereNYC]

We live in a country where some people think that a black man who served in the military and was friends with Steve Rogers is an avenger and is now Captain America doesn't have the authority to have an opinion about the character of Captain America.. somehow they think their opinion is more important.. that is the problem

[@sandal_thong]

I don't remember much of _The Falcon and the Winter Soldier_ but I thought it was Falcon gearing up to take on the role of Captain America when he'd let the government take it away from him.

[@EverywhereNYC]

@sandal_thong right, his humility and the fact that he liked me and most people really look up to Steve Rogers he thought the shield should be in a museum. Even though he was an avenger and Steve Rogers friend. The government instead of putting the shield in a museum got another guy to dress up in the red white and blue and gave him the shield. Sam served in the military show humility was a good friend trusted his government and was not treated fairly. I personally prefer Steve Rogers as Captain America but I don't think my opinion should override his opinion. Just like the government took the shield from Sam and gave it to a white guy there are those in this country who want to ridicule sams opinion because he's black. Like he didn't earn the right to have an opinion on this specific situation... KZbinrs and others think they know better although I've never seen them in the comics on screen

[@amexred]

No , I’d still be annoyed if Chris Evans had made that same exact statement . Makes no sense

[@EverywhereNYC]

@amexred did you read the full statement? The full statement makes sense. Not only does the full statement make sense you can see the positive intention in the man's remarks.. what does it make sense is holding yourself as an authority to manufacture outrage and now somehow you are the judge of what somebody can and cannot say... I'm sorry I missed you in all the marvel movies. Stay in your lane

[@ryyaannn_]

all i have to say is that i 100% agree with him and he is 100% right, but he doesn’t have the luxury of saying anything remotely controversial because he’s a black man in trump’s america.

[@IliyaBadev]

That's not right, in Parasite the director pointed that everyone is on their own. The poor killed the poor, the rich abandoned the rich.

[@Ruylopez778]

Exactly. A lack of solidarity among the poor was one of his themes.

[@hanginwitheddie]

If you having a feeling of whiplash feeling to how the global community feels about American, you probably never paid attention to how America “helped” said countries.

[@sandal_thong]

IMF, World Bank, pushing car culture, leaving the Paris Accord, and even the term "New World Order" had to be dropped because it was offensive to the rest of the world.

[@johnbox271]

@@sandal_thong 🤣

[@greggory4604]

Grace, you not in the middle. You are very much leaning very left.

[@thatweirdboy]

Thats funny cuz i am a leftist and grace to me is very liberal , she’s like the ladies of the view who wants us to fight fascism softly and “hear both sides” , love her tho

[@walter_the_wobot2349]

Is Mackie trying to tank his own movie? What an absolutely stupid thing to say!

[@guyz7777]

100% agree..i didn't think think this movie was going to do well to begin with..now I'm thinking it may flop

[@ojusticeiro9395]

Sups is looking to James Gunn with one eye and Zack Snyder with the other one 😂

[@Lawfair]

I wonder if David Corenswet hears you say they are moving away from beefcake and think "excuse me... how am I not beefcake".

[@Alejandro-ny9pv]

People get offended by anything these days

[@Bennytings2024]

It really doesn’t matter what Anthony Mackie truly meant with his statement. He gave the more “toxic” groups on the internet enough fuel to twist his words into whatever they want and that’s the last thing his film or we as fans need right now. Captain America 4 just needs to be at least moderately successful and his comments do not help in achieving that whatsoever 😂.

[@ashuebot-tabi4449]

Why is it his fault people are obtuse and deliberately misconstruing what he said? Why do the actors and creators have to accommodate fans being caustic or disingenuous?

[@sandal_thong]

The haters are ready to say that a black guy is "Not our Captain America," just like they said, "Not our Little Mermaid." It hurt it domestically, while little kids didn't care, but what kept it down in Europe and other continents? Grace said the actress didn't have international star power like Will Smith in _Aladdin._

[@Bennytings2024]

@ he’s there to sell a product and YES it is his responsibility to make sure he’s not saying unnecessary things that people can use to take out of context and potentially harm his film. It’s just marketing.

[@Bennytings2024]

@ he’s there to sell a product and YES it is his responsibility to make sure he’s not saying unnecessary things that people can use to take out of context and potentially harm his film. It’s just marketing.

[@jason5346]

Bro his movie cost about 350, million minimum Him saying that was the absolute worst thing to do at this moment Moderately successful is putting it lightly for what this film needs to do

[@RandomJtv]

What Anthony Mackie said wasn’t worded in the best way, but I get what he was trying to say. And some of the reactions are telling and show that people really don’t get Captain America at all. Captain America is not an embodiment of America as it stands - Homelander is more that. I’d even say that Tony Stark is closer to a representation and embodiment of America than Captain America is, and look how Steve and Tony clashed. Captain America is an ideal and a representation of hope and the American dream - similar to Superman. The reaction to Anthony Mackie’s comments highlights something which is very real for the character of Captain America - everybody has their own idea of who he should be and is supposed to be, and project that onto him. And then there is who he ACTUALLY is. But given where America is and how media literacy is in the toilet, it’s no surprise that people are being obtuse about Mackie’s statements, as though there isn’t truth to what he said. He was very correct in his sentiment. Captain America and The Winter Soldier even touched on it.

[@jxshram]

You're COOKING - great take

[@nathanjohnson3668]

Good take. US Agent was the American government representative not cap. Cap always stood for more than just “America” ie America and its government.

[@SeventhchildDDM]

You can't mention Beefcake without mentioning Henry Cavill.

[@WilliamLamont82]

From short balding cardboard Cavill to tall, young Corenswet.....Also Tyler Hoechlin's Superman > Henry Cavill's Superman

[@toxiclullaby2083]

I feel bad for Mackie taking the mantle in this version of America we’ve entered. It was an uphill climb before but it’s damn near impossible in the current climate.

[@pauloskinner]

I’m not from the US and I’m sorry, no one has ever seen the United States as a hero.[edited] to add: certainly where I’m from, South America, with the involvement of the US on all the coups. BTW, everyone should watch I’m Still Here, which is about that period in history!

[@A7ZZZ7]

I came here to say this. The US arriving in your country was not a good sign. God only knows how well our continent would be without the US messing around and articulating/supporting the military dictatorships. But it is kind of funny to see how invading and messing around with other countries was explained to the people of the US.

[@danielmattackal6801]

I agree with him. Captain America shouldn't only represent Ameria as it is, but what America should be

[@happychappy3697]

This video is incoherent nonsense. Grace needs to get out of her bubble and talk to some normal people.

[@Christo_Coop]

lol Grace literally has to rewrite his quote to spoon feed it to y’all to agree. No, no, Grace, that’s not what he said and you are agreeing with a version of the statement that you made up in your head, he didn’t say that

[@jrquinn9377]

So, if America shouldn't be a term used for him, what should? Maybe, Captain International, Captain Glob, or maybe... "Captain Planet" 🌍 .

[@JoeyAustin-ul1qb]

Don Cheadle is Captain Planet

[@danielvaladez197]

Captain Flat Earth 😂😂😂

[@BobbyTheDogGuy]

MCU always outdoes the DCU even with controversy lol

[@karenvondermehden5054]

Oh boy who cares

[@mahmudmurad4655]

Except in drama, DC are drama queens, they always win at that. Lol.

[@juanignaciomontoya8408]

Not allways dc had have succesfull movies, the problem its that dc its not consisten.

[@kennycodes]

I'd probably say Ezra miller flash was the greatest controversy

[@emanuelsonJnr]

Have you been to Facebook lately? The Superman controversy is literally trending over here there.

[@franklinbasil3666]

Ever since that atrocious Falcon & Winter Soldier show changed Mackie's character from a guy who happened to be black into Captain Blackmerica Who's a Black Man & Did We Mention He's Black?, public interest in him & any movies he headlines has plummeted. Not that they'll ever, ever, ever, ever stop doing that to their black characters.

[@bronzetiger6360]

"Stuckey" was just plain IGNORANCE. Bucky and Cap are Friends, Brothers. The fact that " certain people " refuse to understand that and try to make it deviant or something, shows your ignorance. Trying to force TERRIBLE NARRATIVES is EXACTLY why no one really wants this type around. Insufferable and narrow minded. SAD. Disrespectful to BOTH characters and their comicbok and cinematic success.

[@rjayn2847]

Dude, there were a lot of people who read homosexuality into their relationship. Why do you think it's such a popular ship? And it's really not difficult to understand that sometimes guys fancy each other. Don't be so prudish as to call it deviancy.

[@sandal_thong]

They used to say that about Kirk and Spock in Star Trek. Good fiction can allow for multiple interpretations including those the writers didn't think about or anticipate.

[@bravo561]

You’re calling other people narrow-minded but you’re just openly spouting homophobia.

[@CHarr1991]

@@sandal_thongsame with Magneto and Charlie Xavier. They have a powerful bond

[@kpsk8031]

Disney shoud start looking for actors who are media savvy and don't intentionally/clumsily hurt their super expensive content pieces.

[@CharlieFlixfix]

This is an amazing video grace. You should be proud! Absolutely f* n BEAUTIFUL! Thank you for adding this perspective to the conversation.

[@_A.A_]

I feel like the whole "America as a beacon of hope" and the "American dream" ideology has been shattered in the last decade. People are starting to see through this "facade" and it no longer holds. Even America is trying so hard to grasp on to these dying values and clearly failing.

[@TheDeckOfficer]

In the JLA Avengers comic, Superman and Captain America actually meet, and Superman is impressed by Cap’s shield. He and Cap become fast friends. He even suggests Cap leads the team. It’s a great comic, but pricey by today’s standards. Well worth reading.

[@mosesoftheblock2311]

Good point but you forgot to include what happened when they initially meet. Both are paramores for their respecrive universes and they hated each other for it. Cap hated Supes and JLA because he saw them as being too influential in human society, basically fascist. Glorious praise from the press and Flash Museum. Supes hated Cap and Marvel because he saw rhem as negligent. Genoshan genocide, Hulk running amok. God I loved that miniseries.

[@TheDeckOfficer]

I like how Superman eventually holds Thor’s hammer and Cap’s shield towards the end of the story.

[@jomamasophat8973]

Have we learned NOTHING from this last year? Keep politics OUT of my entertainment. I want to escape the world and not be confronted by it in my popcorn, happy fun time movie before I go back to a job where I can't afford the American dream. Let me live in a fantasy world for 2.5 hours please!

[@seanboyce4002]

I agree with everything you said. That being say I probably won’t watch the movie now.

[@Bennytings2024]

What he said wasn’t even “political” in the way you’re trying to make it out to be. I hope you know YOU are the problem not him. You reactionaries are the reason the film space has become so toxic and just all around not fun anymore

[@sandal_thong]

Yeah, I guess it's alright to have sci-fi shows about dictators and fascists like _Babylon 5_ in the 1990s, when such a thing didn't resemble the current political landscape. I guess it was merely using the past as a plot device or a warning to avoid a dystopian future.

[@terryjohnson4906]

There was nothing political about his statement. I hope you know YOU are the problem not him. You reactionaries make the movie going space so un fun

[@SpaceViking2000]

@@sandal_thongyou can do politics. The issue is that what they are doing hits too close to home and basically sounds like propaganda. They have lumped all the bad apples and what not into one and said they represent the entire party. The natural retaliation was to do the same damn thing. Now it’s basically Lakers vs. Celtics. Everyone has picked a side and hates each other.

[@nischesharma]

Problem with you grace is you see world through colour lens we just want action packed great movie

[@clockstomper]

This movie succeeding or failing means literally nothing to the world. If they cared they would have given it to a black director with prestige credentials. That's how you make an impact like Black Panther. This movie is just Bob Chapek's attempt to trick you into thinking you need to sign up for Disney+

[@emoartist12]

Tbh this is the first I’m hearing about Anthony Mackie comments. NOW the Superman crap has been EVERY WHERE

[@celestialwarriorking5643]

People who want to see this movie will. Those who don't have no intention to do otherwise. So sensitive...

[@alexjjgreen]

The word that is missing is 'automatically', "Captain America represents a lot of different things and I don't think the term 'America' should AUTOMATICALLY be one of those representations. It's about a man who keeps his word, who has honor, dignity and integrity AND THAT IS WHAT AMERICA SHOULD REPRESENT"

[@ACsPianoCorner]

Very well put.

[@SquareOne4242]

This was just extraordinary journalism. No one else is providing this level of analysis. Thank you for all you do.

[@BeyondTheTrailer]

I'm so glad you feel that way - it means a lot to me!

[@edselgreaves6503]

​@@BeyondTheTrailer We love you Grace!

[@johanmatthee2484]

That's the problem with America is that it thinks the whole needs them, we don't!

[@ryanjstannard]

If these topics are what people are getting outraged about right now then they seriously need to get off the internet and step into the real world 😭

[@TheGreatEbayer]

Really fascinating video, Grace! Don't forget the part where Thanos snapped and then the Pandemic happened shortly thereafter. We all experienced The Snap for real.

[@sophiag612]

Man I don’t want superhero’s that look like “us.” They’re superhero’s!! We’re going to have a Wonder Woman who’s 5ft and chubby soon. And seriously Anthony Mackie is fighting a red hulk… it’s already nuts he wouldn’t have super solider serum but to not be particularly beefed up is insane.

[@A7ZZZ7]

to your point: WW not having tons of muscles makes sense because she is a magical being, a demigoddess, but Batman, for example, is a human being so he needs to be built to be able to do what he does. Affleck in BvS is a good example of this.

[@sophiag612]

@ however she is supposed to be Amazonian which would mean tall and an athletic muscular build.

[@johanmatthee2484]

Talking about Superman, the last but you spoke of grace about America, America is not what it used to be, hardly anyone outside the USA looks up to America to save people, it would make sense that boy would rather call out to Superman

[@kenward1310]

Team America World Police is how the rest of the world sees America.

[@thunderverna]

I have that Capt America comic .... posted a shot to you on the Xwitter... I so remember reading the story back then, and it had a funny twist about the costume....You just took me right back with that photo!!! Tyvm

[@what7530]

It's always Americans living IN America benefiting from America, hating America. Its okay to be proud of the country you clearly prefer while still being critical of its flaws. There's no need to deconstruct or change a character like Superman or Captain America. People should let them be what they are: to represent an idealized version of what America should aspire to be, not change them to fit a different narrative because you hate America. If he doesn't represent an idealized version of what America should be and is instead trying to be more gloabalist, then he's not Captain AMERICA. He's Captain World or Captain Planet or whatever. Leave the character's as they were. Also good luck with making a political comment like that in this climate and having an unsuccessful as a result.

[@AverageJoe483]

Facts !

[@rickgarcia6105]

Well said!

[@danielworleyyy]

The people mad about Mackie’s statements are the same “not my Cap” crowd who’s already rooting for this movie to flop. They weren’t going to watch it anyway.

[@Zillamon51]

Sooo ... CIVIL WAR was RDJ's idea? Grace always said it was Kevin Feige ripping off BvS. 😂 (I don't believe either.)

[@PapaMorty-]

Disney cant seem to catch a break... their movie leads keep shooting their projects in the foot before the movie gets released. Lmao.

[@andyhwaiting]

We were heading towards a more global superhero approach with "The entire world became a Justice League". ZS really did seem ahead of the times.

[@johntheX]

Yes, that photo of Superman is a bit weird. I wouldn't use it.

[@cutthat4643]

Captain unamerica ..

[@YungPantha36]

Well said Grace. Thank you for making a video like this! ❤

[@bluedragon4]

Grace is right about beefcake. I am a gay DC fan. Marvel has got me to see their movies by using beefcake. Thor and Cap and Bucky and maybe Starlord, even though Pine is iffy for us gays. There is no beefcake in the new Cap movie. I never thought that's why I am not interested but maybe that is why?

[@Bubbles_Emporium]

This was very interesting to reflect on. I do think this is how a lot of people speak offline, whenever I have these conversations in real life it's very different to online arguments.

[@dhruv9744]

LMAO Anthony Mackie is right.

[@phantom70815]

Anthony Mackie just convinced everyone who was on the fence about seeing the movie to not go see it. This will blow up in his face, bigtime.

[@JYP1M]

If that what’s stops them, they sound like very weak and sensitive people. ✌🏾

[@bengopoyan85]

Or just patriotic

[@carlbonara602]

What a bunch of snowflakes those ppl are

[@JoeyAustin-ul1qb]

They sound like triggered snowflakes. 😂

[@ASoron0424]

One of your most eloquent and thoughtful analyses I can remember. Thought-provoking from beginning to end--and upstanding that you gave Mackie the benefit of the doubt, with that context of where and why he said what he said.

[@andyhwaiting]

I think this may have been my favourite BTT video ever in terms of adding depth and perspective. I'm not a big fan of the MCU but your points have put it in a whole new light for me now, particularly with the parallels happening in the real world.

[@dreamforall5833]

Civil war had the fans split pretty evenly idk where this narrative that tony became this absolute villain came from

[@JoAnnP38]

During WWII, the French thought Hershey's chocolate was delicious. (Per my late great uncle.)

[@Atlasss97]

I disagree about the economic class - it’s shifted radically to nationalism

[@martins2246]

The Falcon and Bucky TV show did not have to go to the black grievance stuff and they did. They should have not have brought in the "original Captain America test subject was black" story.

[@jennifersmith1985]

Disagree, I found it very compelling.

[@reannagordon]

12:30 this made me think of Joe just coronating Kamala the nomination 😅

[@truthinlondon9121]

Captain AMERiCA, it's in the name, he has an A on his head. Anthony Mackie maybe doesnt know who he is playing. Captain America's civilian identity is Steven "Steve" Rogers, a frail man enhanced to the peak of human physical perfection by an experimental "super-soldier serum" after joining the United States Army to aid the country's efforts in World War II. Equipped with an American flag-inspired costume and a virtually indestructible shield, Captain America and his sidekick Bucky Barnes clashed frequently with the villainous Red Skull and other members of the Axis powers. KEY WORD AMERICA.

[@nathanjohnson3668]

I mean… he wore a flag because the government wanted him to be the PR figure to get more war bonds money lol. But I digress. Cap never stood for American government. He stood for American ideals rooted in ww2 era patriotic America which are universal in nature. US Agent stood for American government and US Agent is an asshole soo…..

[@HisNameWasCrazy]

Cross eyed is when the eyes are pointing inward, not away from each other. Personally I'd rather Superman didn't have eyes like a character from a Japanese horror comic.

[@JS-uc3qf]

Wait...Grace you're talking up a beefcake angle but that's a no no when it comes to women?

[@soupcastle8210]

There is a picture of me in a wide lens and I look like a fish in it. Lol😅

[@auradjinns]

The Internet. Where inauthenticity rules, context goes to die, and nuance never got an invite. That said, I still think it’s a leap to try and parse what an actor actually meant to say in an interview. And Quantumania did receive a lot of backlash for its cgi, but this happened after the movie was released, not off the trailer.

[@noobermensch8113]

I think you've completely misread the rise in popularity of Captain America through the 2010s Grace. We were in a post GFC climate, there was a growing discontent among the working class that manifested in a lot of different ways. For people on the right side of the political spectrum, Captain America was seen as representing the founding ideals of the nation in a pure way that existed before it was corrupted by greed and cronyism. For people on the right, Cap fighting back against the social/corporate/government elites wasn't a rejection of american nationalism, quite the opposite. It represented a pure and more traditional form of that nationalism (what the USA used to stand for) rising up to reject the corruption and excess of the new world order.