Bf-109 k4 Vs P-51 Mustang Western Front World War 2 Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

➡ Check out the Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ LINK TO FIRST VIDEO: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnWVgHeGpr6be7c&ab_channel=GrowlingSidewinder Thank you guys for watching and Hope you enjoyed the rematch as many of your requested, if you have any ideas for future videos please put them in the comment section below and they might just end up in the pipeline, thanks again, much Love.

[@N-L3]

Love the content, keep it up!

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

No surprise that the Kurfurst did so well. It was easily the best version of the 109. The 109G was a slug that would usually fairly easily lose to the P-51D. (The F model series 109 was stated to be better than the G model by Luftwaffe pilots). Now if it was the P-51H vs the Bf-109K (H model isn't in DCS to my knowledge), it would have gone differently. Nice flying GS, and to the opponent.

[@benjaminhuberty5888]

German 262 jet WW2 vs p51 mustang? Could be neat. Obviously you can kill new jets, so nothing you can't handle.

[@nootnoot7787]

Tbh spitfire vs bf109 would be better. The true rivals of ww2 aviation

[@thunderlights163]

​@@nootnoot7787and also fw 190 Vs hawker hurricane

[@__pizzaWT]

Waiter, waiter! More WWII dogfights please!

[@ryneknutila4484]

Escusemoix gárcon!

[@shelby2561]

Absolutely sir would you like it with ice?

[@Maria_Erias]

@@shelby2561 And a side of ground attack, too, please.

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

& For desert, I would like some WW1 dogfights, please.

[@ThunderBatSims]

WW1 Level Bombing in VR is the most terrifying way to play. You sit in a flak cloud for 60 seconds before dropping bombs, then 60 seconds after. Pray you don't get hit by the shrapnel you hear whizzing by

[@Chu6um]

Good example of how a pilot's skill with their aircraft can make all the difference. Not knowing those pros and cons can easily turn a difficult encounter to disaster or success.

[@H.P206]

ausreden und ausreden und ausreden……….

[@CastawayHikes]

The WWII content is my favorite, but I like how you rotate what you're doing so that it never gets old. Thank you and congratulations on imminently reaching 500K, I celebrate your success 🤘

[@timoy4988]

Much agree! This channel never disappoints! Always something great to watch. 😁👍💪💪

[@bukhariali71]

Good technique of cutting the engine at the top of the hammerhead. Prevents the engine from over revving and cutting off during the dive.

[@donakahorse]

fun to watch, I do wish you had switched planes and done another two. He's great at avoidance but I'm not sure he knows the P51 on a level he needs to fight you with it.

[@wadefarris308]

I've watched his videos for quite a while & I don't think I've ever seen him in a P-51 or F-15C. There seem to be a few aircraft he just won't fly

[@andrewmillar5894]

@@wadefarris308 well he has but not many p51 vs actual people, only missions. I dont know about the f15 tho.

[@donakahorse]

@@wadefarris308 he's done it several times but it's been a while, he's even used it against the k4 successfully.

[@Hangry_Hungarian]

@wadefarris308 He has flown the F-15C a few times before. You can search a few videos of them

[@OoheavysackoO]

@@donakahorse and using the same tactics :-)

[@Sacto1654]

The Bf 109K-4 was a plane that could keep up with a P-51 Mustang in most aspects. A reason why the _Luftwaffe_ suffered very heavy losses in the first half of 1944 was that their primary single-engined fighters were the Bf 109G-6, which only had a top speed of 386 mph (way slower than the P-47's with the "paddle" propellers and the P-51B/C models) and the Fw-190A models, which had performance fall off dramatically above 20,000 feet altitude.

[@mrblablablabla]

Pilot skill also played a factor. There were some interesting differences in how experienced pilots where employed through both airforces.

[@Feuerschaf]

In 1944 the Luftwaffe was vastly outnumbered. Already in 1942 over Dieppe there were around 200 german planes fighting against 1000 allied planes, a ratio of 1:5. By end of 1943 the numbers were more like 1:20..30. That was the decisive factor.

[@Sacto1654]

@@Feuerschaf But yet, the RAF suffered very heavy losses over Dieppe because the Spitfire Mk. V was no match for the Fw 190.

[@berndbrakemeier1418]

@@Feuerschaf Das darf man aber nicht in einem englischsprachigen Forum sagen. Der Sieger und dessen Derivate konstruieren nun einmal die passende Geschichte.

[@Nimmermaer]

@@berndbrakemeier1418 Was für ein Unsinn, die numerische Überlegenheit der westlichen Alliierten in der Luft ist allgemein bekannt.

[@lancemurdoc6744]

Absolute correct, the BF 109 was made for "dive, shoot, climb", the center mounted guns also alowed to shoot from bigger distances...The German Aces, Adolf Galland, Werner Mölders and Erich "Bubi" Hartmann use it to perfection. Hartmann had 352 confirmed kills. Hans Joachim Marseille, had 158 confirmed kills over north Africa.He was not the typical german "Zoom and boom" fighter. He was known as an extraordinary pilot (with lack of discipline) with "dead eye" shooting precision.

[@WHJeffB]

Yeah Marseille could truly get the most out of his 109's... Loved the F model, hated the G2, which is the one that eventually killed him. Would have been interesting, had he lived, what he could have done in the later G models (G10 or G14) or a K4. Or even more hypothetically, throw the engine from the K4 into an F4... That'd be in interesting, though likely impossible combination.

[@hanswolfgangmercer]

Amazing fights, and a great demonstration of the 109's lethality! The tactic you describe at 3:45 is exactly why I love this plane. It's very easy to fight in the vertical with the 109 and take the energy advantage. A small piece of advice that might help - don't worry as much about getting hits with the 30mm, your 12mm MG 131 has vastly higher muzzle velocity and lots more rounds, and is plenty for wrecking an enemy fighter. Psychologically I think it's very easy to fall into trying to line up the perfect 30mm shot instead of just gunning the target down with 12mm.

[@dawae3080]

my inner nerd is going 'erm is a 13mm'

[@hanswolfgangmercer]

@@dawae3080 whoops typo!

[@BlackFoxFalcon]

@@hanswolfgangmercer From personal experience, with DCS I mean, I have to slightly, just slightly disagree here. If you can line up the 30mm properly, most of the times, one hit is all that`s needed. Granted, aiming with that damn cannon isn`t an easy thing to do. The Mk.108 has horrendous ballistics. As you correctly stated, the muzzle velocity was much less since the barrel was, in practicality, too short for an airborne cannon. The problem was the space within the engine compartment itself. If I remember correctly, the predecessor of the Mk.108 actually had a longer barrel. But then again, it had to fit within the engine of the 109 so they had to shorten it. Hence the wonky trajectory of the rounds. That`s why the Mossie is one of my favourite go-to WWII fighters in that arena. Or the Spitfire.. Those 20mm Hispanos just wreck everything in its path. And have far superior ballistics.

[@clementboyer8325]

As you were talking about how much you miss these WWII dogfights, a question came to my mind: when was the first time an aicraft used a missile (or the ancestor of the missile) during a dogfight?

[@somepolishguy8228]

Well both the AIM-4 Falcon and AIM-9 missiles were introduced in 1956, very likely first fired by the F-4 Phantom

[@jbrad2529]

@@somepolishguy8228first fired by F86s

[@24videowatcher]

And AiM-7's tested on Hellcats

[@Feuerschaf]

In a dogfight ? Early IR missiles needed to be fired at the engine of the enemy, i.e. at his 6. That required more sneaking behind him than dogfighting. Missiles used against aircraft in WW2 were e.g. R4Ms against enemy bomber formations. Those were unguided missiles. Possibly a pilot used them also against fighters but then I guess to get rid of them to reduce weight in first place.

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

@@Feuerschaf Those R4Ms only needed to do one hit against a bomber either to outright destroy it or to make it go home. Thing was a scary weapon if it could hit.

[@Chimla]

YES, finally a full on ww2 video again, you dont know how much ive been waiting for this. Also in the first round his biggest mistake was climbing, the bf 109 is an absolute beast at climbing so he had no chance there. In the second round i liked how you could really see how small the bf 109 is at compared to the p-51 (timestamp 12:12).

[@PaddyPatrone]

Your DCS videos are by far the best on yt. 500k are well deserved. Keep up the good work!

[@jimsaintamour2]

Thanks for all of the amazing content over the years! Question: could you do a P-38, Mediterranean or ETO dogfight?

[@HippoDrippo]

The p38 isn't in DCS, don't know about il2 tho

[@MrErictank]

​@@HippoDrippo- the P38 is indeed in IL-2.

[@AmarettoTheFurry]

BF-109 K-4 is such a gorgeous plane

[@N-L3]

I would love to see a BF-109K-4 vs the F-22, it would be an interesting fight for sure.

[@TAINCER_]

Really like the more rough planes. Prop planes, f-14, etc.

[@matthobbs6338]

Thank you for today's video and all your others, I really enjoy your content! Would you be open to doing a video with a P47D? I'm not a pilot and don't really know what I'm talking about, but I read Robert S. Johnson's biography (27 kills with 24 being single seat fighters in Europe). He said nothing could roll with the P47, even though it was big and heavy. I would be very interested in seeing a video on this and hearing your take. Thanks!

[@JustBeAdude]

Great throw down as always. Spad vs. Albatros? Doesn’t get anymore personal than a WW1 dogfight.

[@TheoneandonlyBotmans]

I would really like to see him play IL-2 Sturmovik lol

[@TehSiets]

Been watching lots of random WW2 history content after seeing Oppenheimer. That’s has the knock-on effect of me giving WW2 DCS content a hard look recently after viewing strictly jet content for years. Would love to see some 2v2 wingman action to see how that plays out in this intimate style of dogfighting!

[@matrox]

He started each fight with him having an advantage of him above his enemy.

[@bradkessler4792]

Can’t wait to see what this entails. Love the content recently GS, keep it up bro🙌🙌🔥

[@skullandcrossedbones]

I'd like to see more WW1 fights.

[@h31212]

2:00 that throttle up sound is just mad

[@jay-nb6uk]

absolutely love the WWII dogfights and they keep me coming back for more! great content all around

[@bethor7620]

Here we go Real dogfight 😍

[@kylewicht5459]

GS saw the response to the last video and delivered in ONE DAY. Keep up the great work man, so close to 500K!

[@erikarnold4737]

I would watch GS do WWII stuff just as much as the modern jet scenarios. If he posted a WWII campaign bit by bit I would probably watch all those too. Learned a lot from this guy and all of the video styles he does are great, even the less serious ones. More warbirds !

[@BSWThunder6]

Much like a P-39 or a MiG-15/17/19 the guns on this will not have the same point of aim. The 30mm (or 20mm in earlier versions) shooting through the prop boss was generally intended to blow up bombers with a hit or two. If you try hitting with the cowl mounted MG 131 .51 caliber that's probably a better strategy.

[@unixfool]

He was using the MG at the end of the last fight. Even so, the MG is nose-mounted. He was having issues landing the hits due to the lack of convergence.

[@dizz81]

I absolutely LOVE the sounds effects of the engines. Sound so amazing in headphones.

[@dueydrew7172]

Glad to see you giving some WWII warbirds some TLC.

[@masterskilhollow]

Cool, some tail-dragger action :)

[@foobar201]

that fire and smoke trail after the first round... beautiful, cinematic.

[@WeirdTippy]

This reminds me so much of Combat Flight Simulator in the 90s. I used to love that as a kid!

[@SPIN_89]

Archer is a great pilot but GS does what GS does. Two great fights. Awesome work 👏🏼

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

The knife fight in a telephone booth... Back then, you knew one of you was walking back, if you even made it back.

[@chanceymarshall237]

This makes me miss Battle of Britain (BOB) on the Commodore Amiga 2000. Loved the WWII battles. Was playing in the early 90s.

[@avo7740]

Words cannot describe my excitement to see this in my feed

[@air-headedaviator1805]

1v1 ww2 fights have been something I’ve been waiting for for ages!

[@hermanlopez2945]

I enjoy the wwII fights, I do agree on the up close and personal aspect of it. Thank you for the entertainment

[@FlightLine4240]

Yesss! I’ve just been watching your IL2 videos last couple days! More please!

[@neilfaries7453]

Ww2 fights are the best ACM's, like you said it's down to skill! Flaps in the 109 and especially the p51 help the most in the famous overshooting scissor knife fight, I used to fly in warbirds, I learned every plane I could fly! The Ki84 is a German killer but my plane of choice was the P47...I got good at low speed flying using flaps, 4000 hp supercharged radial would pull the weight back to speed effortlessly. I miss flying! It's my passion....I was in top 5 of the world leader boards!

[@peteabrh-fairest9463]

imagine if you were up against Erich Alfred Hartmann, the most successful fighter ace in the history of Ariel warfare... Very interesting history. Great video yet again 👏

[@LILKRANKIN]

Yes! I’ve really been missing the WW2 content. I’d love to see some P-51 action as well. Keep up the amazing quality GS!

[@R3APER50]

Saw the rematch vid come up. Had to click like button instantly!!! 🎉

[@toddcarter1086]

Great WW2 content. I agree with several folks that talked about start altitude...I'd be interested in this fight at 25, 000 feet, where the 109 would be trying to get at B-17s/B-24s, and the 51 is playing interceptor. Or, even better, it should be a bounce, with a 109 coming in on the six of 2-4 P-51s at 8-10, 000 as the P-51s are on a fighter sweep. Lot's of good combinations.

[@lilgrime8913]

Been patiently waiting for the day the WW2 content comes back, let’s goooo

[@wesleyogren4848]

ya'll should try the P-47 VS the 109

[@shun3107]

Beenhere since you were 70k subs congrats on almost reaching 500k

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Many thanks for sticking around so long, I appreciate you.

[@felixgaede6754]

10:40 He just indentified as a rocket powered jet, you gotta accept and tolerate that

[@jehb8945]

Bf-109K may be a beast in the air but it's also just as dangerous to it's pilots to get it into the air and back onto the ground as the enemy was for the BF 109K because the engine had some crazy torque and that very narrow undercarriage which still makes me shake my head

[@doctorroboto5018]

I didn't know the 109 had that flare launcher in the cockpit!

[@Kashban]

Shows how those cannons are much more powerful than an array of MGs.

[@mrblablablabla]

The 109 was an excellent turn fighter, so very dangerous in all areas. Especially the lighter early versions could almost turn with the spitfires. The P-51 should've employed it's biggest strength over the 109 more: dive speed.

[@djpuggs7287]

I don’t think that would’ve worked, maybe for a 109g the 51 might’ve gotten away, but the K-4 is a whole new story

[@WHJeffB]

The more experienced 109 pilots insisted they could turn with Spitfires, it was a matter of engine/prop/flaps management, or so I've read. You have to remember too, the same things that hurt later 109's in the turning department, affected the later Spitfires too. Would have been interesting to see what a 109 F4 could have done with the engine out of a K4, at least if all that power didn't rip the wings off the thing.

[@tierodhusky9136]

The advantage that the Bf-109 had in these fights was it only needed a fraction of the range that was necessary for the P-51. The P-51 had a range of 1650 miles versus 547 for the Bf-109. The fact that you could build a plane that could fly hundreds of miles of miles that still had excellent dog fighting capabilities is an amazing engineering feat. It was far easier to put a short range hot rod fighter to the skies than to build a marvel like the P-51.

[@dreaminknight]

Yeah, but this doent help much anymore in a merge...

[@justinthomas85]

That's his point. The P51 was an escort fighter. The BF109 was a intercept fighter. Yes, both fighters, but had two different roles to fill. Both were incredible aircraft.

[@gfarrell80]

Was that P-51 range with drop tanks included?

[@OoheavysackoO]

@@gfarrell80 of course but the Jug filled that role better than the p51 in my opinion.

[@Yamo314159]

@@dreaminknight I think this merge dogfight above 15000 ft goes to the P-51. I wonder if they'd try it?

[@icaleinns6233]

Great fight! Glad for the rematch! Maybe some with you flying the P-51?

[@kaidenharding4807]

9:28 is a perfect example of how just rolling does nothing when someone is sitting behind you. Unlike in most movies.

[@AirsoftAddicted]

low alt dogfight... well, it's not the best place for P-51. K-4 is a beast at this alt. Great flying, pleasure to watch.

[@iangoodsell]

After seeing the latest version of Two Morons, I forgot how much I liked the WWI biplane fights- would love to see you back in a Sopwith Camel

[@8lack5nak39]

Love the regular content, but like a lot of us, I'm very much enjoying some WWII relying on pure energy conservation and precise limited gunnery. When all else fails, pure pilot skill is everything. Every trick in the book :)

[@Z1-oo693]

I was just looking in the channel

[@ArcaneActual]

You ask, you receive. Ty uploading it and great vid!

[@farmcat9873]

Props Hell ya this is where the good dog fights are 👍

[@whiplash8277]

Love all your WWII stuff. Your skill in these matches is a sight to behold. More please.

[@joonyah8904]

I’d love more WWII dogfights. Corsair vs P-51?

[@af_reaper1983]

It would be cool to see more stuff like this , like the Me262 vs P51

[@kazline1455]

That would hardly be a dogfight tbh, the 262 cannot at all turn, it's biggest and only strengths over the mustang are its higher top speed and uts armament. So it wouldn't really be a dogfight as much as it'll be a jet doing hit and run on a prop

[@Allirys]

nOICE! More WW2 fights/missions/slaps/kills please! :)))

[@jamesburrell677]

It would be so cool if those planes could do victory rolls with flares and chaff. Yeah, I know they didn't need to defeat missiles but sometimes you just need to strut while yelling I'M A PEACOCK! WATCH ME FLYYYYYYYYY!

[@floydnimrod1826]

You know you want to go back to WWII or Korea Era dogfights GS. Give in to the temptation.

[@kainhighwind263]

I absolutely loved this, and the last video! Keep them coming! Great job!

[@Acrophobia2]

The Bf-109 definitely wins the worst canopy award😂

[@01ZO6TT]

Yes! More WW2 fighters please! Love the videos

[@spddracer]

More of these please.

[@nathaniellazo5912]

Dam GS, already doing the match up? You make these so dam fast!! This will be a fun one!!

[@pog-trooper-5018]

Dogfight with WW2 fighters are the best it’s looking just so gooood. I want mooooore and i think i m not the only one 😂

[@IndyBrainWave]

Great high-aspect gunnery from Arch3r in the P-51 at 6:47.

[@Anarchy_420]

Please fly Planes on the left!🙏👍 F-16I Sufa with Python 5's VS Gripen with IRIS-T's AV-8B VS F-35B F-86 Sabre VS A-10 Thunderbolt II MB-339 Aermacchi VS MIG-15 J-10 VS SU-27 P-47 Thunderbolt VS SU-25 Frogfoot MIG-29K VS SU-33 both launching from nearby opposing Kuznetsov Carriers into the merge! F/A-18F Super Hornet with AIM-120C-7's VS F-14B Tomcat with AIM-54C's both launching from opposing Nimitz Carriers several miles apart!

[@Anarchy_420]

Lmao you could do the same with the AV-8B and F-35B, both take off from opposing Amphibious Assault Ships, and VTOL into the merge!🤯😂

[@forthyone]

excellent flying sir

[@rvnerd7671]

Well flown! Great watching WW2 dogfighting like this!

[@thejetfighter]

The WWII dogfights are definitely more "personal" and frantic. No GPS or computer, just skills. 😀

[@murph3194]

The vid that GS took the (I think) worlds 1st jet fighter and fought the WWI planes. lol I think it would be very entertaining to launch a fully armed Thunderbolt against a full squadron of WWII planes. I mean full out...missiles and everything against a dozen or so enemies. I would be curious if a Spitfire could possibly dodge a Fox2 just from it very low heat signature and impressive turning rate. In any case, great vid.

[@fredmeyer369]

Helleva P51 pilot, I thought he might get you on some of the reversals

[@Austin.Kilgore]

WWII fights are my favorite! Would love to see more!

[@johnsealey3990]

I play DCS WW2 almost exclusively, and love the P-51with it's K14 gunsight. You master that K14 and you are lethal. whenever i see the 109 K4 coming i know im in for a fight (depending of course on the pilot's skill level). In even remotely capable hands it is a potent adversary. Where most fights in the P-51 are a sprint... the fight against a K4 has to be thought of as a marathon. Your biggest ally is patience, which is easier said than done.

[@joeyd1404]

would love to see another time travel fight!! F-8 crusaders vs A6m Zeros

[@rattleheadx]

You truly deserve every one of those 500k subs, and all the many more that are sure to follow! Also, I second the call for more WWII and would also love to see a P-38 mission style vid. Further up and further in!

[@fastfiddler1625]

Loving these. You in p-47 vs 109. Would love to see how you handle that.

[@calladanalgate8262]

One thing I can’t understand is how the hell did these planes do reasonably well against modern fighters in your last unknown bandit vide

[@peymanstd]

K4 was the absolute best of bf109s. It was introduced late in the war though.

[@constablemittens]

Oh nice, I figured it would be more of a wait to get this one. Good stuff.

[@christopherjs4945]

Great vid as always. I'm not sure exactly how accurate the flight models are; I believe the late Bf109s (e.g. the K4) were generally outmatched by the 'stang (and late mark spitfires) in a close dogfight. And I was told this (many years ago now) by a guy who actually flew against them in real combat. The K4 with its 30mm was primarily a bomber destroyer.

[@Hypersonicmind]

All you need to do is look at power to weight figures. It explains the high climb rate (fastest prop) and acceleration.

[@christopherjs4945]

@@Hypersonicmind power to weight ratio is not the only determinant of maneuverablility; wing loading is also important, especially in the one circle. Spitfires had a much lower wing loading hence their superior turn radius. Late mark spitfires also had extremely powerful engines so power to weight was on a par with the late 109s. As goes the fastest prop, the sea fury takes that title.

[@Hypersonicmind]

@@christopherjs4945 of course. The amount of P51 worship that goes on is ridiculous. i concede it was prolly the best "all around" plane, especially considering modern comfort, visibility and range. However, dogfighting is a niche topic, and some planes can simply determine WHEN they want to fight- i'd rather be in that position than being able to turn inside of another. the 109 was a hot rod compared to the P51 (look at weight, size and horsepower)..Me, being an old hotrodder, appreciates the difference...btw, if it had the 150 octane the allies had...well, something to ponder.

[@christopherjs4945]

@@Hypersonicmind personally, if we're picking our ship of choice, I'd have a Spitfire mark XIV

[@timoy4988]

Great job! Awesome video! I'd really like to see some ejection or bailing out in the end shots after you send them in. Love your channel. Keep it up! 😁👍💪💪

[@rays.5764]

For sure more WW2 dogfights. I'm wondering if you're ever going to get back into IL-2.

[@ZedBanana8]

miss these wwii vids! keep them coming boss!

[@Dexterr5912]

the best messerschmitt was BF 109 F-4 weight to Engine thrust and may be BF 109 G-2

[@brianwaldo2642]

“He’s leaking something too”… I think it was his diaper.

[@JAEUFM]

Well GS, to split hairs, in that BF 109 vs. P-51 round, you walked away at the end, so, I would declare you the winner of that round.

[@troyverburg9600]

I think we need a chopper vs jet or vs prop plane, but in a city, or mountains

[@karls6234]

Thank you for this vid, I like this WW2 fighting. Please do more. :)

[@drsch]

He didn't seem to be using the P-51 as an energy fighter at all but was trying to turn fight. The P-51 was designed as an energy fighter and excelled in the boom and zoom role.