Biblical Holiness: Why It Still Matters | Dr. David K. Bernard & Lindsey Chrestman

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

Fifty years ago, the men in the UPCI were expected to wear white shirts on Sunday night. I know, because I was there. If you did not, you might be considered "worldly." Gradually, this evolved, and customs changed over time. Stripes and paisleys and other colors (light blue, gray, etc.) began to appear on dress shirts, and some variety was accepted in the church and in the pulpit for acceptable attire. Customs can change, and traditions may vary, but holiness is not so much the color of your shirt, but the Spirit of God that is manifested within you.

[@roddyrodriguez5726]

Let's not mix customs and traditions with holiness.

[@riceman3284]

This Dad has done an amazing Job through Jesus Christ. Proud of this family and glad they are part of the body❤️🔥🇺🇸

[@dennisconwayjr.6597]

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[@OpalMaydew]

It is so interesting to hear, what I never would have thought is how much I want to do my old ways of hair coloring and cutting. I still want to wear jewelry. I do have a necklace or earrings that I wear maybe once a week but I probably should put those away. I have been slowly changing my wardrobe but sometimes pants is easier to wear at work. I’m getting there but I never thought how the little things can be so tempting

[@TebarekElias]

my beloved brother dr.David K Bernard I am from apostolic church of Ethiopia please say something about heavenly flesh teaching of apostolic church of Ethiopia and about brother tekilemariam

[@eze_soundzz]

Bro. Bernard is saying that women should grow their hair to its natural length, but an argument I’ve heard quite often is to keep the hair healthy, split ends should be cut and maintained. Would this not fall under taking care of our bodies as the temple, if women cut their hair ends for the overall health of the hair? From the distinction perspective, if cutting split ends is all that’s done to the hair, doesn’t that still provide ample distinction between a male and female? I would like to have an answer to this for when it is brought up with new converts, and even long time believers that are still trying to grasp Holiness.

[@bobjames3748]

How long is long? As long as it will grow, not cut, not trimmed, but uncut, men should cut hair and not have long hair, many men in Protestant and Catholic churches have no woman generally over 59-69 with hair even on her shoulders, it's cut almost as short as men in their church.

[@Republican_Banana]

If long means uncut, then cut means short. Meaning I as a man can wear my hair down to my knees as long as I cut an inch off.

[@Republican_Banana]

​@@bobjames3748 Also Paul didn't feel the need to clarify how long is long, so I don't see the need for it.

[@bobjames3748]

@@Republican_Banana Long hair is as long as it would grow..Cutting it , is no longer as long as it would grow.

[@Republican_Banana]

@@bobjames3748 chapter and verse please. Paul just said long hair, not "as long as it can grow". The counter is still the same as well, if I as a man have long hair to my knees and cut it an inch, then I no longer have long hair?

[@lindakosoff398]

Ro 12.1 talks about a living sacrifice, and our reasonable service. The One who gave His life for us should be good enough to say, whatever He asks is not too much. The dying was done at Calvary. The living is done in us and through us, because of His grace, mercy and truth every single day exhibited by the life we live.

[@johnheueisenIII]

Been a Pente for 30 years. And in that time my wife and my girls never had a cogent answer to the world when asked why they looked the way they did. It has always seemed like we have to perform doctrinal gymnastics to even try to explain it. To me that is a strike against it. After 30 years of wrestling with it trying understand, I’ve come to the conclusion it’s a man made doctrine, as is the clean shaven thing. I feel like it’s a bit of a spectacle that stands in the way of sinners finding the truth. My wife and I love the UPC, And I’ve not experienced elsewhere the same level of sincerity of its congregants, or the same manifestations of the Holy Spirit, nor the same resilience against the backsliding and apostasy of the majority of the church world today. So there is definitely something to separation from the world, that attracts special manifestations of the spirit of God and truly anointed preaching and teaching and revelations in the word that occurs in the UPCI that I don’t see happening in the Assembly of God as a whole for example.

[@Republican_Banana]

Thankfully the clean shaven thing is on its way out slowly

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

Fifty years ago, the men in the UPCI were expected to wear white shirts on Sunday night. I know, because I was there. If you did not, you might be considered "worldly." Gradually, this evolved, and customs changed over time. Stripes and paisleys and other colors (light blue, gray, etc.) began to appear on dress shirts, and some variety was accepted in the church and in the pulpit for acceptable attire. Customs can change, and traditions may vary, but holiness is not so much the color of your shirt, but the Spirit of God that is manifested within you.

[@raygsbrelcik5578]

Of COURSE it, "Still matters!" Is this not the entire Message within Scripture? GOD bless.

[@SaveByGraceNowFaith]

at the end of the day it is still our relationship wirh that shall make us worthy of the salvation that was enthrusted to us by the Lird Jesus...

[@weakistmacey]

Holiness is certainly important in every followers of Christ and as witness of Jesus; but even you've long dress or etc. If the Spirit of God did not dwell in you? You are naked! so, let not forget our real dress is the Holy Spirit. If the Spirit of the Lord in us. We will called Holy! ✓1 pet. 1:15-16 ✓rev.16:15 ✓matt. 22:12 ✓roms. 8:9 ✓efe. 5:27/rev.21:27)

[@haroldbrooks1948]

@WALDO they don’t deny the deity of the son. Many that I know quote 1 Timothy 3:16 John 1:1,2,14 declaring Jesus is God

[@haroldbrooks1948]

@WALDO Really are you certain the UPCI denies the deity of the Son? There is a song we sing, it’s by oneness folks, not sure if UPCI sings it, but it is a lovely song, it’s called Jesus the Son of God. The lyrics are Do you know Jesus our Lord and savior, Jesus the son of God? Have ever seen him or share in his favor, Jesus the son of God. Chorus Oh Sweet Wonder, oh sweet wonder, Jesus the son of God, how I adore him oh how I love him, Jesus the son of God.

[@haroldbrooks1948]

@WALDO yes I most certainly do no man has seen God at any time, the only begotten son of God which is IN the bosom of the Father. John 1:18 is the infallible word of God. Some like to just focus on Jesus being deity. However, He is the Christ, the son of the living God. Matt. 16:16 None of that changes what the UPCI believes and you taking a brush and calling them all evil. How do you know their hearts?

[@haroldbrooks1948]

@WALDO Christ is both God and man. He’s the mediator. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one. 1x1x1 =1

[@haroldbrooks1948]

@WALDO good morning actually we have the same gospel, that is if you believe the scripture in Philippians 2:6, Jesus being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God. And I also agree he is with the Father. For Jesus said He is IN the Father and the Father is IN Him according to St. John 14:10,11 or believe Him for the very works sake. I think you and I believe the same thing, brother. Jesus is the Christ the son of the living God and all who believe in Him and obeys the gospel will be saved.

[@weakistmacey]

And also repentance is more important to do! Holiness start from the heart. If our heart is not pure? How we could be Holy? That's why the Proverbs 4:23 tell us to Guard our heart. Only pure heart can see God!(Matt. 5:8) without Holiness we can't see the Lord. (Heb.12:14) it did not tell us to wear a long dress. But it is a part of Holiness also.

[@JJJere]

I love the concept of applying ourselves to God aka living for Him, however, I do draw concern from the overall takeaway that most will extract from the topic and that is, to put human effort on the table to look the part to or for others to see or to do some thing just right to be then and therefore "holy." Even in this discussion, there wasn't a simple answer to give toward any question and this has led to people moving in zeal but not pertaining to knowledge or continuity of faith in the work of the cross which is the biggest draw back. We have to remember that our holiness and righteousness is prescribed to us first and foremost by God himself. He is the only one that can inherently do holy and righteous things. He extends His character to us when He justifies us with His HOLY Spirit. Then we become a holy, Full stop! That has to be digested to the extent that we understand that nothing we do can take that place nor be comparable to it. Our lives from this premise is an attempt to be examples of Godly living aka holiness aka letting our light shine but we shouldn't overdo or overthink practical resulted living that often produces an heir of self-righteousness in the believer. Roman's 14:20 "Hast thou faith? have it before God. Happy is he that condemnation not himself in that thing which he alloweth...for whatsoever is not of faith it sin." This goes both ways for the Spirit filled traditionalist and for the Spirit filled non-traditionalist. There is only one Spirit and we have to be led by it instead of trying to mimic someone else.

[@BarryWyner]

I'm thankful God give us conviction so we can change to please Him.

[@Steven_Kiagiadakis]

The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, NOT the believer, he convicts the believer of righteousness because of Christ. The believer IS pleasing to God, fully, no more pleasing today than yesterday and no less. The unbeliever is the one displeasing God, and the one who shrinks back into fear instead of recognizing the love of the Lord because of Jesus Christ.

[@oneofmanyvessels554]

I notice that the daughter is listed as Minister. Is this "minister" as servant, which we all are in the body of Christ? Or is it a position of authority? And, if the latter, how is that to be reconciled with what I hear or lightly observe to be what UPCI stands for, biblically? Thank you.

[@jenevahairens612]

I’m very happy to hear about Gods word

[@chaseguillory8532]

I am Apostolic agree with everything they said but i have a sincere question, can someone help me understand how it's ok for a girl to wear a skirt that shows some leg but men aren't supposed to wear shorts?? I agree with all other aspects of dress attire but not that men can't wear shorts that are modest.. I see women in church everyday that wear skirts JUST below the knee but if a guy was to wear shorts it'd be shamed.

[@peytonallen1135]

I wear shorts

[@deborahvogt6561]

I know the UPC men in France wear modest shorts. I know this because my son went on the UPC mission trip a few years ago, they were warned that the men wore shorts in that part of the world. Its a culture thing.

[@memadelrey4832]

I think because we can see the calf muscles and when men wear pants of course you can't. I have two sons and for PE in school they were sweats. Good question. Pray about it

[@chaseguillory8532]

Glad to say I’ve been on quite a spiritual journey since posting that question. I’m now an eclectic pagan and have had my eyes opened to the truth. There is no God as you think. To worry about something as petty as wearing shorts in the grand scheme of life is so dumb. Just be good people ❤️

[@Janesefridley]

@@chaseguillory8532 I hope you've changed your mind since this post. I will be praying for you. Don't let ignorant people turn your heart away from God. :0)

[@TinaSelftalk]

Please stop telling people standards are God’s standards. If you read Deuteronomy 22 regarding laws it was about cross-dressing. Tennis shoes, baseball caps, and many other garments were originally made for men! Pants weren't worn in the era, unless you are a priest under a robe. Modesty is covering up and not being lewd. It is also of the heart. Apostolic men look like everyone else and don't stand out. Some of the women are only known by their hair styles. The fruits of the Spirit are important and not to spiritual abusing the church is HIGHLY important

[@teresalowry6340]

If you try to see what you can get away with and want to know if you won't go to hell that's an indication of a spirit of rebellion and rebellion isn't going to Heaven. Get away from the edge as far as possible and do everything possible to please God.

[@Republican_Banana]

Orrr we're just tired of living by man made standards and being told it's holiness.

[@barbaratamiressilveira8035]

I really enjoy the videos and learning more about the word. I would love and appreciate if the videos had subtitles in other languages so I could send them to my family in Brazil. Thank you.

[@blues4jesus]

We should be consistent in and out of church. I cannot find anywhere in scripture where being at home its ok to for lets say women to wear men's apparel. I fully understand publicly this is where we are called to be show we are being separated to the Lord, Behind closed doors, at home where no eyes but family and God is what I feel is true worship unto the Lord. Our kids watch us, is it possibly we are teaching them to live two ways? One for in public and church but we go home and its all out the window. I don't feel we have to dress to the 9s at home but modesty is showing this is who I am and not for show.

[@peytonallen1135]

I have a genuine question. I’m Apostolic, but lately I’ve been wondering…how am I saved? I’ve obeyed Acts 2:38, I believe Jesus is God, but I question my salvation often. How am I saved? Thank you

[@peytonallen1135]

@WALDO John 5:43-“I have come in my Fathers name” John 14:9-“If you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father” Matthew 28:19-“In the name”(singular) Acts 2:38-“Name of Jesus Christ” Zechariah 14:9-“They will look upon me whom they have pierced” Isaiah 43:25 with Philippians 2:10-11 Isaiah 43:3 Isaiah 43:11 Also, nobody in the Bible was baptized with the Father, Son, and Spirit formula. They were all baptized in Jesus’ Name. If you can find 1 verse in the entire Bible that says He’s 3 persons in 1 nature(without 1 John 5:7), coequal, coeternal, one in nature, or even where someone is baptized with the Matthew 28:19 formula, I’ll become a Trinitarian. Shouldn’t be that hard to find right?

[@marynotmartha3139]

@Peyton Allen your saved by faith trust grace not of works lest any man shall boast. U can find that scripture in the bible. You have to understand that nothing we do or don't do saves us. We have to trust in the finished work of the cross. Period. Biblically there isn't a works based salvation. We do works to show unbelievers we serve God but we don't do works to be saved . Keep loving God and striving to better yourself as GOD not man leads u! God bless u

[@peytonallen1135]

@@marynotmartha3139 Acts 2:38 is the response to the Gospel. Jesus said you MUST repent. Jesus said you MUST be born again of water & Spirit to enter Heaven You can find that in Scripture

[@marynotmartha3139]

@@peytonallen1135 actually that isnt 100% accurate...they didn't actually say in Peyton Allen on confession of ur faith and by obedience of the word of God I now baptize u in the name of Jesus christ for the remission ur sins...they didn't say that. They dunked them under water brought them back up and the people new they were being baptized into christ bc they believed he was the messiah. Oneness pentecostal people make alot of their doctrine up..man mad doctrine is real. The point of it is they were believing on christ and getting baptized into him. Have u actually studied wht u have been taught? U need too. Also seek God and ask him if u have been taught anything wrong lord show me truth. Just bc ppl can make it sound really good doesn't mean they are exegeting the scripture correctly...blessings brother

[@marynotmartha3139]

@@peytonallen1135 I understand that. I believe that as well. Scripture says we are saved by faith thru grace as well. No works. Period. Aberham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness BEFORE he was circumcised. And that's in old and new testament my brother. There are cracks in everyone's belief...that's Why trusting in the finished work of the cross is vital to salvation. But if u think by u doing works ur saved....your dead wrong. U need to get into scripture and really research. Also research when your religon started and is it accurate to the new testament church. I'm just saying. Paul said the bereans were the most admirable bc they searched to see if wht he preached was accurate. Ask God to tear down any strongholds that man has built up in u by preaching. There isn't anything wrong with that bro. I'm so sick of everyone sounding so scripted like a dang movie. Alot of people when they talk you can tell they have no intimacy with God of very little bc they all sound the same. (Not saying that about u) it's like they are programmed. God wants relationship and intimacy!

[@ronnierowe1312]

AMEN!

[@rpwahler730]

Lindsey is a great girl.

[@Post-Trib]

I agree with modesty and standards of dress and appearance. However, I take issue with what God has spoken being taken and preached as the doctrine of men just as the jews did in scripture. If God speaks to someone about their sinful habits, mannerisms, dress and appearance then it becomes rooted in the person. If men take it and enforce it upon others then they have no root in themselves.

[@demondwellswells6806]

I agree. Every time I hear this, although I have great respect for our apostolic fathers and would not dare disrespect what they stand for, my mind goes back in scripture to Joseph. Joseph was delivered and sold in Egypt by his brothers. We all know the story. But when it came time for him to be used by God to deliver his brothers from famine into Egypt, his family did not recognize him because he looked just like the Egyptians and he held high office. He was a holy man of God in his heart even though he was dressed in the Egyptian regalia. Secondly ,my mind goes to Paul he said “I became all things to all men that I might by all means save some.”Thirdly, my mind goes to Paul’s teachings when he said that if the Gentiles abstain from food sacrificed to idols and fornication they do well, when talking about the Jews superimposing their traditions on the new Christian Gentiles. From the above descriptions, Quakers and Muslims can be apostolic when we all know they do not represent holiness. Holiness is from the heart, not a cultural construct. Why aren’t the men of today wearing robes instead of pants? That’s because culture changes and holiness does not. I am African-American, and so is my wife. She suffers with alopecia. She is a beautiful bald black woman, but in some apostolic churches they want her to wear a wig! I ask you, is this what Christ intended?

[@sarinaparis7455]

hair and skirts can make be unpleasant to God? Can someone please show me where in the Bible it says this? What scripture? I am a new Christian and I want to follow Christ and not people's opinions. So please help me to see where in the Bible does it demonstrate your discussion today? I will read them all so please don't be shy, I'll take all the scriptures. I want to know. Thank you. Other than that, you are lovely. :) Thank you for sharing.

[@michaelnygard8193]

So biblical you will find no where in scripture where a woman has to wear a skirt or dress. They will use Deuteronomy 22:5 as the example but that was pertaining to war. The Bible tells us to be modest. It never gives a dress code for women or men. Clothes are made for women and men. They are made different so you will know which one belongs to men or women. As long as you are modest then your following Gods word. In biblical days men and women both wore robes. They only had like a ball thing tied to the bottom so men could use that to raise the robe to use the bathroom.

[@sarinaparis7455]

@@michaelnygard8193 thank you. I understand.

[@greg7630]

a womans hair is given as a covering and also it is her glory, and it does say that it should not be shorn or shaven, clothes is a question of modesty, everything ive said is in the bible, 1 cor. 11:15, why would women chop up their glory

[@TinaSelftalk]

It doesn't

[@angelmariepadilla]

I hate that the church I was once so fond of doesn’t preach this anymore

[@bobjames3748]

@@angelmariepadilla You see here , some who are for just snip here and there, cut off a little, which then becomes a lot, and what about keeping me warm or even holy with some pants

[@tomtom6319]

You can apply holiness to any aspect of life or relationship and you choose to apply it to dress and woman. In the UPC their woman is their badge of holiness. It looks extremely strange to walk in one of their gatherings and all the women look like pilgrims and all the men are dressed really modern in skinny suits and such. Just remember what the Bible really says about one’s self righteousness is as filthy rags in the eyes of God. They may make it all the way with a few star’s on their crown but I hope they are not offended when they see me up there too!

[@Nahumg51]

You preach it brother👍

[@bobjames3748]

@@tomtom6319 ,well hopefully you have truth and are wearing a doily or scarf and show you couldn't submit to the word of God and your glory, now needs to be covered properly.

[@highwayoffaith8298]

He says"Holiness starts in the heart" and then it is to progress from there. But the standards applied doesn't allow people to grow in Holiness unto God. It becomes the costume design the pastor defines and congregation wears. All to be accepted by the body. They never grow internally of the needed love, mercy, or grace of God. All our Holiness did was clothe the wolves and blind the followers to religious empty eyes service. It's leading us away from embracing God that we be clothed in HIS HOLINESS. Standards defined by rules are worthless. They backfire as to their intent within the church.

[@jenevahairens612]

Amen Amen

[@NewVoiceSound]

Is his daughter Married?

[@Janesefridley]

Giving up more and more outward stuff does NOT merit a better relationship. Loving God and living BY HIS WORD does, through prayer and studying His Word and living BIBLICAL Holiness. God told us clearly how to live...we don't need to add or take away from His commands...If you decide to give up more or you were convicted because it's better for YOU, then that's great. I too have some standards that are NOT biblical that Jesus asked me to give up, but to make that a commandment for others is wrong.

[@joymayo3422]

Modesty is a spirit it comes from within

[@teresalowry6340]

Yes, it begins in our hearts and it's reflected on the outside.

[@gabrielzubbyokeomauzoegwu]

Daily chatting with God is living in the thinking of the LORD daily. Amen🙌🔥

[@johnsmithSongbird]

It does matter

[@JTOG94]

I’m still confused regarding the dress standard. You claim in this video it’s purpose is for the distinction in gender, separation from the world, but the specific garment culturally subjective. If a distinction is maintained between male and female pants and western culture acknowledges this distinction. Where is the issue? To be consistent, separation from the world through outward holiness, would have to apply to both men and women. Although, the standard attire for a Pentecostal man is indistinguishable from a worldly man. This rule isolates itself to just women. Since the majority of worldy women don’t wear dresses exclusively. Which doesn’t seem right. Even Dr. Bernard mentions that in his day, one of the reasons women began wearing pants was out of practically. I’d also add that their are several unisex articles of clothing that are worn by men both men and women. Our church and culture does not see at as a violation of gender distinction. E.g. Gloves, scarfs, hoodies, basic T shirts, etc. Hope you can see the logical inconsistencies in your position and can address. I welcome any and all feedback, always open to learning, I have been Pentecostal my entire life, and believe an absolute modesty for both sexes, but have never understood the rational behind the dress standards for women. God bless!

[@justifiedtruth9722]

The rules don’t isolate itself to just women. Men are to distinguish from female attire…. Men are wearing females clothing in the San Francisco area ….. the idea is distinguish as a whole although both clothings of male and female have some of the same buttons ect

[@JTOG94]

@@justifiedtruth9722 Do you wear scarves, gloves, hats, socks, T shirts, Hoodies, etc? If you do you are likely wearing a piece of clothing indistinguishable from the opposite sex. Therefore you are cross dressing. The logic just doesn’t work

[@lexietrout6578]

I understand where you are coming from. I think ultimately it comes down to your own convictions. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t have standards if you are in leadership or any of that. But for example, if you are a girl and wearing pants and you are working on your relationship with God, he wants that more than for you to wear a dress for man. It’s not a religion, it’s a relationship. I do believe that when you get the Holy Ghost, there will be a day where he will convict you to dress modestly but it’s when HE convicts you. So if you or your leadership feel convicted about wearing things that are unisex, that is between you and God. I do believe that it’s also the intention behind it and how it looks to other as well. Like for gloves,hats, and hoodies-it’s to keep you warm. Our body is a temple and we need to take care of it! God doesn’t want us to freeze to death and get hypothermia or freeze bite. Hopefully that makes sense. That is something my leadership has taught me:)

[@JTOG94]

@@lexietrout6578 I don’t think having arbitrary rules/standards in place is healthy. You can’t make an assertion that God wants XYZ, without being able to make a biblical reasonable argument for it. That’s a slippery slope that leads to religious cults. My example of using gloves, hats, sweaters, was to poke a hole in the reasoning of saying clothing is absolutely exclusive to either gender, because it only is insofar that the culture appropriates it. The Spirit of God speaking to us has to be verified through his word. Always. Never trust your feelings as being the Holy Ghost without ensuring it lines up with what the Bible says. That is our ultimate authority. People are unreliable but Gods word is true. Be careful with blindly following leaders because they are your leaders. We must hold them accountable to the word and must approach their teachings with scrutiny. Study to show thyself approved.

[@SaveByGraceNowFaith]

​@@lexietrout6578 Well put Lexie my thoughts exactly. It is the power of the Holy Ghost that do the work in us and will convict our heart as we build our relationship with God.

[@greg7630]

holiness comes from "hope", read 1 john 3:3

[@steve.coulon9846]

Amen, Holiness is what God and the Bible says, not what the pastor says.

[@magbujoscrisdominicp.129]

❤️

[@frankiebrown3265]

Amen.

[@sharonannswank4106]

Also the united Pentecostal church has become very legalism very controlling and a lot of people have left the united Penecostal church because of the problem my question to you David Bernard I know you’re at the head person I know HK Haney passed away I have a brother that was a pastor he was an Oregon pastor Springfield Oregon and the Bible says buy your fruits you should know them and I see a lot of dress code women dress the part but I see slander and gossip coming from the lips and judge mental spirits and say they walk holy before God I’m sorry but God is the charge of all people this is where I draw the line in the sand and said I don’t believe a lot of things that the UPC church teaches I have left the united Pentecostal church because of the legal as a teaching and what can be done to change that point of not being critical of the legalism of the dress code yes modesty is appropriate but for someone to come in church with a pair of pants and tell them they’re going to hell is wrong

[@coltyounger8824]

The UPCI are the Modern Day Scribes & Pharisees !! Christ Himself said that our righteousness Must Exceed that of the Scribes & Pharisees. Also IF the UPCI women wore the Exact Same Dresses today back in the days of the Apostles THEN they would have been literally Stoned To Death !!! Also if the UPCI women wore the Same Dresses that they wear today , back in the 1800'S they would have been considered Sluts even by the Non-Christian Society !!!

[@haroldbrooks1948]

@WALDO I am not UPCI but to say Oneness is a cult is in my view very extreme. Many love the Lord and strive to walk in His word. With regards to standards they aren’t the only ones that believe in modesty and separation in dress. Holiness groups, Trinitarian Pentecostals and others are they cultists too?

[@daltonbelflower7331]

From my experience, most people that call outward modesty and Biblical holiness "legalism", oftentimes haven't a clue what legalism even means.

[@Angela-BlessedofGod]

I agree with you Sharon. The UPC has always been this way.

[@corycameronmoore]

Why are we picking and choosing? So women must not wear pants, makeup, and jewelry, but are ok with fancy expensive watches, wedding rings, and expensive purses? Too many holes in this theology of dress. Who makes up these rules?

[@daltonbelflower7331]

We're Apostolic, and our women don't typically wear watches, wedding rings, or any form of outward adornment.

[@TinaSelftalk]

@@daltonbelflower7331 yes they do

[@Republican_Banana]

​@@daltonbelflower7331wedding rings are definitely in

[@ApostolicChildOfGod7]

@@TinaSelftalkthey dont adorn themselves in it tho

[@jeremyconley4526]

Read the bible

[@Republican_Banana]

Ok here's a question. If our women can't wear lady's pants because they pertain to men's clothing, then why do we allow women to wear blazers which also pertain to men's clothing? If its a modesty thing, then why do we have to throw blankets over women when they fall out in the Spirit? We wouldn't have to do that if they wore loose fitting pants and therefore would be more modest.

[@bobjames3748]

@@Republican_Banana yes, now we see you wish to wear pants.

[@Republican_Banana]

@@bobjames3748 I'm a man, I already wear pants. You're gaslighting instead of answering the question.

[@jlar1984]

In our culture women wearing pants is not considered cross dressing. It’s good that we want to set a personal standard as individuals but we cannot say what the Bible doesn’t. It’s very easy to see when a woman is trying appear masculine. Most women aren’t trying to appear masculine. But yet the Bible clearly teaches we should be separate. It it’s not up to us to define for every individual.

[@danointd1dre296]

I believe what they tried to say is that in our culture today there is an erosion of the line that distinguish a man from a woman. And God requires that distinction. The scriptures presented are enlightening when viewed together with prayer.

[@TinaSelftalk]

No one wore pants during Jesus time , maybe a high priest under their tunic . They truly need to get rid of “ standards”. Skirts and dresses are also fitted to fit the women’s body to look proper. Again, man’s / ladies pants are different , I can never see a man wearing a romper etc. Men, walk around with a bulge in front but they wear pants/ shorts. Deuteronomy, 22- Has a lot don’t etc Plant two different seeds together, plow a horse and donkey together etc . Stone your first born for being rebellious etc . Pastor David Bernard - we are under grace and should practice modesty ( covering up in certain place ) NOT holy standards set by the UPCI. Dressing like a man would be considered cross dressing, shopping in the men’s department all the time etc . For example, looking / dressing how some trans people dress. Let’s readdress this issue. If not ladies shouldn’t wear t-shirts, tennis shoes, leggings etc. All meant for men decades ago.

[@jorgeorduna8559]

I believe the main point of the talk was looked over or dismissed by some people. Pastor Bernard said a very interesting thing “holiness starts in the heart” When a person starts setting their own standards and placing their own beliefs before God, it’s evident that love may not be as strong as one believed it to be. It’s easy to live in the commodity that we live in now because of His sacrifice. Just like pastor Bernard mentioned, we are not saved by works or by law, but by grace. However, we can’t forget that Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abandon it. The reason He made that clear was to assure His followers that although we are saved by grace, there’s still a standard to be met in regards to our holiness. The verse they shared in the beginning couldn’t have been any clearer. A good exercise to practice every now and then, is to think to ourselves, how would we dress and present ourselves unto the Lord if He came to visit your church? If you knew that Jesus himself in the flesh would be making a guest appearance at your service, would you still dress the way you “believe” is ok? If the answer is “Yes” then maybe we need to examine our own hearts truthfully and find out for ourselves if we truly love Him as much as we believe we do. God bless you all :)

[@kimwimer7308]

I believe UPCI is very hypocritical in the wearing of (pants; a garment that splits the legs). I say this because they have always said women should not even wear culottes but now it is ok for them to wear these skirts with leggings sewn in. They need to make up their mind. And yes I’m Pentecostal and attending a UPC church but I don’t agree with their outlook on this subject and if I could find a church that isn’t hypocritical on holiness standards but maintained oneness, baptism in Jesus name and the need of being filled with the Holy Ghost, I would change.

[@theshadow3103]

Holiness is not based on cultural beliefs, it’s based on Scripture. God wants a clear distinction between a man and a woman.

[@vincentoostendorp4786]

Mouthful of JESUS no CHRIST in understanding

[@eassa8869]

OK what's the deal with makeup if you wear a modest makeup wouldn't that not be against God's rules. I didn't want to make up for years until I went to chemotherapy it's left my face looking absolutely horrible about the lightest foundation I can find and cover it up. It gets no different than those that I've seen in my church where a self Tanner. It's not trying to split straw's I always try to do what's best for the Lord

[@elmac1085]

Lindsay, I enjoy this interview, however, the way UPC ladies dress, does draw attention to them. They stand out like a sore thumb, and it makes people ask questions like, “Who do these people think they are? Do they actually think they are more holy than everyone else”. This kind of dressing is causing more harm for Christians than you realize. A UPC lady can be spotted a mile away. Not because they are holy, but because their mode of dressing looks weird. Sorry, hope this does not offend you, but it is true. Ladies dress pants are not as revealing as a skirt blowing over your head.

[@dawnblenman7743]

Women dressed this way years ago and looked so classy. A modest dressed woman still looks classy.

[@SaveByGraceNowFaith]

Wearing such kind of clothing ...fully covered, modest, no skin baring in the Middle East (where I used to work btw) people rather appreciate you even agrees and praise the modestness especially the arabs who are residents of that country. So I don't think it is really about the UPC ladies way of dressing that draws thoughts like this but the person who thinks that way.

[@reformed-tf7fk]

We have nothing to offer God.

[@CYCLEHOUND1]

Romans 12:1-2 and Hebrews 13:15 speak of 2 sacrifces (offerings) New Testament believers are encouraged to offer Christ. Many more are implied ….

[@Frank-og4nn]

Repent

[@sharonannswank4106]

I do not agree on this matter of dress code it’s a matter of control on the women to keep them under the thumb circumstances calls for a woman to be in pants sometimes of pants is better to be modest and a pair of pants that it is a dress I work in the medical field with the wheelchair and sometimes I have to take a patient out and get them on the ground and pants is more modest and easier to work with and it is in a skirt or a dress I really believe the Bible says that a woman should be modest in all things but the Bible says that a woman should not put on men’s apparel and men should not wear women’s apparel I really believe that is cross ginger transgender changing your sex to become the because if you’re female and you become a male or just the opposite I really don’t believe the dress code is what saves you and if you don’t wear the dress code of the UPC that you’re going to hell that you don’t follow to cross the tease died in the eyes believe that God is a God of grace and mercy and I do believe that God is not a hellfire brimstone God that we serve I think it’s man-made rules and that’s what I believe

[@Frank-og4nn]

@@sharonannswank4106 the doctrines of the upci are heretical. They deny the free gospel of grace and proclaim a perverse message of water baptism in the name of Jesus for salvation. Believe the one and only gospel, by grace through faith in Christ. Believe in the triune God of the Bible. Believe in your Lord Jesus and repent. Sharonann, please listen to this message.

[@sharonannswank4106]

@@Frank-og4nn I was born and Into does organization they are very legalism no grace whatsoever I’m just seeing if they changed they finally allow you to have a television in your home we’re having a television in the past was a sin and it was the devils box and it was sent your soul to hell along with the dress code if you don’t follow the dress code you’re going to hell to where the Bible says for there is now no condemnation for those are in Christ Jesus and I read that scripture I also read baptizing them the father son and holy spirit I confronted Jimmy shoemake on this issue and he would not discuss it with me I have a brother that was also a minister of the UPC and I talk to him about some things he says before they become a pastor they have to take an oath not to talk about the trinity doctrine it’s not aloud to be discussed and I left the organization at the age of 18 and I never looked back I’m just seeing how their guidelaws have changed that’s why I asked the question that I did and I can see that they have not changed anything but the television allowing that and some churches allow you to go to movies now but that is it they need to come along ways of breaking away from their laws and God laws and get into more grace and God’s love and get out of the legalism

[@sharonannswank4106]

I grew up underneath FV Shoemake and he walked in God‘s grace and mercy he was not a hard preacher he was very loving and very kind his son Jim shoemake was a little bit harder than him and his son Jonathan shoemake is much more tougher than him I had a very bad experience in the church and I left the organization and I will never go back into it unless I can find a Minister that’s just like Fv shoemake I have gone back to Mini UPC churches and I refuse to go back to some of them they roll bother control and tell you if you’re not going to be in church you’re going to hell with Covid break out and people have medical conditions that they have to protect yourself and get told all the pulpit that if you’re not in church you’re going to hell well I’m sorry God does not look at it that way he looks at it the way we have to protect yourself and if we have an underlying medical condition we really have to be super Duper careful I myself have a special needs child that gets sick and thank God he’s in a Borden care right now at this time because I know if he was in my car he would die because of COVID-19 because I could not have him out of the community like he is now I think God for his protected I understand why people don’t go to church right now due to the Covid I know there’s a change in the topic of the dress code but we have to think wisely and smart when it comes to these issues and to hear someone say over the KZbin that is a UPC Pastor I will not mention names but it broke my heart to see how hard this Minister was and judging and controlling his body was it really disturbed me

[@Frank-og4nn]

@@sharonannswank4106 please do not enter the upc again. They deny and reject the one true God. Father, I pray for all members of the upc that you would cause them new life and grant them understanding 1cor 2:14

[@gabrielzubbyokeomauzoegwu]

Amen

[@JESUSisONEperson]

Amen