Big 10 and SEC breaking their truce?Big 10 goes after SEC schools,SEC goes after Big 10 schools.WOW!

[@apocalypsesow4482]

Missouri’s biggest rival in the big ten is Illinois

[@desertrat1111]

Missouri belongs on the B1G. They used to play Illinois for years. Plus , they are AAU members. But, I hate too see a war break out.

[@obi-juantacobi8552]

They can have Mizz-Who

[@WDB2005]

The Big 12 can have Mizzou, I’d like to have Pitt and Syracuse and kick out Maryland and Rutgers

[@tarheel7406]

@@WDB2005 "I’d like to have Pitt and Syracuse and kick out Maryland and Rutgers" Interesting. MD in the B1G makes it more attractive to UVA/UNC and by extension Duke and FSU.

[@jonathan_tong93]

The Big Ten Conference might not pirate some of the Southeastern Conference schools, because the resurgent Big 12 Conference might only have the 4 corner schools pirated from the soon-to-be extinct Pacific-12 Conference

[@JAY-JAY74]

I love these discussions!❤

[@edcarman4704]

Yeah, me too... almost as much as discussions about China becoming a province of Taiwan, elephants learning to fly, fish learning to run on three fins and men having babies because they identify as a woman. It's all fantasy.

[@allend807]

That would be the biggest dick move if Big 10 was able embarrass the SEC like that

[@jkmarshall1780]

Huge dick move. But I look forward to UF's move to the Big10. 😄

[@immaculate5784]

There is really only one school that I see a reasonable chance of moving between The SEC and Big Ten conferences and that school is Missouri. Now that the SEC has an exit fee process too, leaving either conference is going to be an absolute pain in the ass. The only way I see it happening is with the blessing of their current conference in the form of a waiver for exit fees. In some scenarios, Missouri leaving for the Big Ten actually does The SEC a favor when it comes to figuring out the future division map within The SEC. Missouri doesnt really fit well into any local/regional divisional maps for The SEC but it does definitely help out The Big Ten once you start looking at perhaps a 24-25 team situation. So the SEC would have one less headache in that regard. If they are adding a bunch of ACC schools that includes UNC/UVA then really its not a big deal in losing Missouri's academic marks. Its definitely a plus in not having to figure out which division to place them and its one more spot they can fill with an ACC school in order to have enough to threaten the ACC with. Missouri could be a good piece to supplement other realignment pieces picked up. For example, a potential division could be Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Colorado and Kansas. So its a good piece in regards to supplementing other realignment moves. On its own, I dont think it is all that enticing to The Big Ten. The only school from The Big Ten that might surprise us all and want to join The SEC from The Big Ten, in my estimation, would be Maryland. That comes with a big IF. The big IF on this one is IF UNC and UVA were to join and for some reason the listed Maryland as something that would entice them. A big reason why Maryland left The ACC was because the ACC wasnt scheduling them up against schools like UVA and UNC as much anymore due to expansion. If they had a chance to rejoin UVA and UNC in their own division within The SEC, would they take it? I dont know but its a very highly rated Institution that regionally is very close to UVA. It may also have found it hasnt really fit in culturally all that well with The Big Ten and now The Big Ten is going Coast to Coast. Perhaps they would rather stay regional with some old friends of theirs. They also in some scenarios might help The Big Ten with their departure when it comes to mapping out new divisions so they could possibly get any exit fees waived as well. So Missouri and Maryland are my two to watch. M & M.

[@tarheel7406]

Been saying as much regarding MD for months

[@immaculate5784]

@@tarheel7406 I'm not surprised. You guys have quite a history with them. Do you think UNC and UVA would push for an invite for them? Perhaps an under the table agreed upon swap between The Big Ten and The SEC? Maryland to The SEC and Missouri to The Big Ten?

[@tarheel7406]

@@immaculate5784 I suspect that the B1G will use MD as a carrot to help pull UVA/UNC rather than help the SEC pull. After the fact, can't day. My original "master plan" was for the ACC to survive as a peer with a new media deal via an amicable realignment taking PSU/MD/ND +1, allowing the B1G more slots to better poach the top of the PAC12.

[@immaculate5784]

@@tarheel7406 From an ACC perspective, I can certainly see the allure. Up until this latest Big Ten contract and the numbers contained within it, there probably hasnt been a lot to argue against that other than with pure subjective opinion. I could see PSU doing that if the ACC was ever able to fully achieve payment parity but unfortunately its looking like that is probably not going to be the case. They get their payment solely from ABC/ESPN. If that Network preserves the ACC with that kind of payment then they are essentially hamstringing The SEC at the same time. From a network perspective, I think they realize all the future potential that they see with fully realized Big Ten and SEC conferences depends upon expansion via ACC properties. You are probably right about The Big Ten wanting to use Maryland in such a manner but how will Maryland feel? Sure if UNC and UVA would be willing to come over, I think The Big Ten would suddenly feel much more like home for Maryland folks but that means people have to talk. During those talks another idea might be brought up...

[@tarheel7406]

@@immaculate5784 As I've stated 1Kx times, the ultimate question now is whether the ACC can leverage a new media deal that's close enough to prevent a scatter. If it can survive the current situation, the long-term prospects of closing the gap completely are good. The ACC has the demographic advantages of the SEC and the high academic/media value per viewer advantages of the B1G. The other current reality is the need for 8 votes to threaten dissolution either through preferred landing spots or purchased proxies.

[@jkmarshall3553]

I'm hearing Washington is in discussions with the ACC...

[@tarheel7406]

WASH is a near certain eventual +1 to the B1G, so it will just be patient and take the easiest status quo path.

[@jkmarshall3553]

@@tarheel7406 Washington to the ACC. - Sources. 😁

[@tarheel7406]

@@jkmarshall3553 GBD "sources"? Anyway, has already been reported that the ACC internally considered all expansion options and only ND works financially.

[@alaneren9296]

@@tarheel7406 I agree with you on NotreDame but bring someone with them do you think that Maryland should come back to the ACC

[@tarheel7406]

@@alaneren9296 a) I have no standing to say what MD should do b) I don't see the ACC wanting MD back except as a +1 with ND and/or PSU

[@tonymorrell2353]

This isn't going to happen. Not at all. Not even a outside chance. It's silliness.

[@GoldBlueDude]

What was the purpose of this comment?? Of course, this isn't gonna happen. This was a video idea submitted by a viewer that I liked, so I did a video on it. I try to actually interact with my viewers..

[@tonymorrell2353]

@@GoldBlueDude well I'm a viewer too. And what's the purpose of any of this 🤣🤣🤣? I get what this video was. That's still my comment. If you did a video about unicorns or bigfoot I'd say the same thing lol. Trust me it's all okay.

[@TheSpanishInquisition87]

You know what? Texas A&M hates the Longhorns enough to actually consider this. The reason A&M left the Big-XII in the first place was to avoid having to recruit against Texas in the same conference. Like you said, never gonna happen, but if it did A&M and Mizzou are the most likely candidates.

[@mikebuck1897]

Yeah, A&M doesn’t like tu coming to the SEC. However, no way it leaves the SEC. Likewise, very unlikely that Mizzou leaves. It may prefer the B1G but I don’t know that the B1G is ready to offer.

[@matttasler3234]

Texas A&M *is petrified of the Longhorns. Damn autocorrect. Fixed it for you though.

[@mikebuck1897]

@@matttasler3234 nobody is petrified of a team that just lost in the Alamo Bowl…and to a team from the PAC. USC was better than Washington … and it lost to Tulane.

[@edcarman4704]

NO NO NO..... Texas A&M DID NOT LEAVE the BIG 12 to avoid recruiting against Texas in the same conference. THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE!! It doesn't matter what conference either one of them are in, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RECRUIT AGAINST EACH OTHER!! They left because Texas had far too much power in the conference and to get away from them, but it didn't have a damn thing to do with recruiting. Texas and Texas A&M very often recruit the same players, ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL.

[@edcarman4704]

@@mikebuck1897 It would be easier for them to win in the big ten, but that's the only positive.

[@sambostic8715]

B1G was founded in 1896, PAC 12 was founded in 1915, SEC was founded in 1933, ACC was founded in 1953, Big 12 was founded in 1996.

[@GrizrazRex]

This is part of why the B1G has a lot of money. Interesting to note that the SEC founding coincides with the founding of the Sugar Bowl, which was the champion's destination until the BCS era.

[@tarheel7406]

@@GrizrazRex Why "lots of money"? Both the SEC and ACC are split-offs from the Southern. I fail to see your claimed connection.

[@michaelhart6318]

Illinois and Missouri are basketball rivals. They call the game 'Bragging Rights.' usually played in St. Louis.

[@Gamer-uu6mk]

They are also gonna start playing every year in football starting in 2026

[@franktoledo6342]

I Agee with your picks to agree. 👍 up 👆 this video to agree 👍

[@jeremybrowand5941]

I mean the only school that may change is MO. The SEC may think the BIG was doing them a favor if they wanted MO.

[@davidfloyd9134]

No one wants Mizzu

[@paulvarnell]

My dream 18 team SEC is: If this happens we will be one step closer to my dream SEC conference: Alabama Arkansas Auburn Florida Georgia Kentucky LSU Mississippi State Missouri Ole Miss Oklahoma South Carolina Tennessee Texas Texas A&M + Clemson Florida State North Carolina If 20 teams also + Virginia Tech Oklahoma State West Virginia makes the cut in my 24 team SEC, which would then include every state that’s ever been consider historically “The South” excluding Maryland and technically Delaware.

[@waynebennett745]

Why keep MSU but drop Miss.?

[@GrizrazRex]

@@waynebennett745 Ole Miss is there.

[@waynebennett745]

@@GrizrazRex my bad...that only adds up to 15 teams & I'm seeing who you missed. It's Vandy. BTW, I personally don't count "Ole" as part of their name, so just look for Miss..

[@tarheel7406]

If UNC did go SEC, my "dream" would be with no kicks: 20 Teams: New/Current 16 UNC UVA DUKE FSU or MIAMI 24 Temas: VATECH NCSTATE CLEMSON FSU or MIAMI That dream also includes a commitment by existing SEC members to improve academically and for the SEC to expand the number of supported sports.

[@paulvarnell]

@@tarheel7406 If Missouri is in the SEC, it doesn't make sense to have the best schools in the Southeast but not include a school from North Carolina. I want a future where the SEC includes 14 or so states from the south and the B1G is the best of the rest of the country. Still wouldn't be a fair fight in football. lol

[@jkmarshall3553]

Minnesota to the SEC! Yeah baby!!!

[@buckeyeintexas4709]

If the BIG was to take any SEC school your list is good, but the BIG would take Texas, Florida and Vandy first.a&m 4th and then anybody before Mizzou, we rejected them before...they wou6be rejected like Jansas from the leftovers

[@Angrygumballl]

Brands and tradition aren't guaranteed money.... The SEC would try to pluck the Big Ten large markets after Michigan and Ohio State. This is about TV dollars.

[@andybryant5646]

could you do a video on the creation of a 32 team super league.

[@michaelhart6318]

Missouri has the largest research nuclear reactor in the nation (MURR). The Big 10 would probably like to have that.

[@stephenlang7870]

The B1G could have had it twice as Mizzou applied twice to the B1G. That being said, it was a big mistake by the B1G to take the Bugeaters over Mizzou.

[@ezmoney5087]

Please take Mizzou big 10, they're Just a embarrassment to the SEC

[@obi-juantacobi8552]

@@ezmoney5087 agreed they can have Mizz-who

[@proplayer2010]

Missouri campaigned to get into the B1G and got passed over. So that ship has sailed.

[@Expansion_Crush]

The way I understand nuclear research is that it's heavily influenced by the grantors and the expected outcome. Purdue does a ton of nuclear research for the government and pharmaceutical industry as does LSU and Texas A&M. Bigger isn't better. It's the first time I've heard about Missouri being a nuclear research powerhouse. But that would make sense for why Curium Pharma NA is based in Maryland Heights, Missouri?

[@franktoledo6342]

Is entertainment can change college football 🏈. I like the way this video teaches everyone new ideas can make a better School.

[@bobwallace9814]

I doubt this scenario but one that is on the table is when the NCAA is done away with and conferences play without divisions and can control who and how much each member gets paid. I just don't see bottom feeder teams getting paid the same as the top producers. It is that way now but not in the near future.

[@andybryant5646]

I think the teams in the conference will all get equal pay. I could see like some bottom feeder teams getting kicked to the curb. I’m looking at you Northwestern, Purdue, Vanderbilt, and Miss State.

[@GrizrazRex]

Does the word, litigation mean anything to you? Conferences are created with equity in-mind. When you start messing with that equity, you run into litigious nightmares that take decades to resolve, often incorrectly. Case-in-point would be NIL. That litigation mess began over 30 years ago, with Ed O'Bannon at UCLA. Look at the outcomes.

[@tarheel7406]

a) As far as I'm aware, the conferences are already free to decide how money is distributed b) The NFL is successful largely due to equal revenue sharing. It would be foolish for a separate P2 to do things differently.

[@andybryant5646]

@@tarheel7406 The only sports league that really doesn’t do equal distribution is MLB. That is also why you have about 20 teams that are completely worthless compared to the rest of the league.

[@tarheel7406]

@@andybryant5646 You clearly aren't but expecting exact parity in power/value in some future P2 Tier 1 world is unreasonable. Some value is more intangible. Could be academic prestige, geo footprint for national interest, or high success and exposure in non-revenue sports. In any closed system like that, some will carry while others are carried. Some schools (e.g. STANFORD) are just worth the carry. Some people can only see plain generic addition. A generic ballot, rather than synergies.

[@simon2077]

Actually biggest rival for Missouri would be Illinois. Nebraska too, but mainly Illinois. Missouri originally tried for years to get into the BIG. BTW if not for a missed FG Ohio State would be playing TCU. tOSU had Georgia by the balls, but didn't squeeze.

[@GrizrazRex]

Faultless logic, up to SEC grab #6. There are more revenue sports than just football. As a geographic and cultural fit, and as a basketball power, Indiana would be a good choice.

[@franktoledo6342]

Big 10 go after the SEC best coaches. The go after their player the sky the limits.

[@sambostic8715]

Founding teams of the SEC listed in order by alphabet below: Alabama Auburn Florida Georgia Georgia Tech Kentucky LSU Mississippi State Ole Miss Sewanee Tennessee Tulane Vanderbilt

[@tarheel7406]

B1G interest in SEC members in order of preference: a) TEXAS b) FLORIDA c) TXAM d) MO All AAU. MO already rejected in the past. VANDY would be of no interest. If ND and ACC schools also in play, TXAM and MO would be bumped from the list. SEC interest in B1G members in order of preference: a) NEB b) MD As the B1G looks for AAU, the SEC looks to preserve its geo-centric culture and brand. NEB is arguably "greater Southeast" and has synergies with existing members. From the SEC perspective, MD is a wayward flagship below the Mason-Dixon.

[@edcarman4704]

I just read the second part of your drivel. You really believe the SEC would have interest in Nebraska and Maryland? If you do, you're dumber than I thought... and I thought you were really dumb.

[@tarheel7406]

@@edcarman4704 You should follow Lincoln's famous advice. I provided my reasoning; you offer no rebuttal. My comment is within the theme of the vid's concept and constraints. What I think would happen in the real world is another matter. Even GBD qualified this as not happening. You, being the idiot, can't adjust.

[@waynebennett745]

SEC wouldn't go after either of those 2.

[@tarheel7406]

@@waynebennett745 "SEC wouldn't go after either of those 2." a) Saying the SEC has no interest in any B1G member isn't very interesting in the context of the vid. b) Offering no reasoning suggests you have none

[@waynebennett745]

@@tarheel7406 my reasoning is what BGD said...WHY go after those 2 instead of OSU, Mich., Mich. State? Would you rather go after somebody's top performers, or choose from the lower 1/2 of the group?

[@Cooljohn760]

Florida to the BigTen 😄. Imagine traveling to Wisconsin and Michigan playing in cold weather.

[@tarheel7406]

Won't happen, but the vid is about interest or a wish list. FLORIDA is the flagship and an AAU "public ivy". For the B1G, winning the lottery would be ND, UVA, UNC & FLORIDA.

[@tarheel7406]

@@usmc-veteran73-77 "West Virginia travels to Texas." And?

[@tarheel7406]

@@usmc-veteran73-77 The BIG12 was WVU's only P5 option when it joined. For this vid and thread, FLORIDA would have the choice of remaining in the SEC with its regional footprint and warmer climates or moving to the B1G with a national footprint and colder climates.

[@tarheel7406]

@@usmc-veteran73-77 I can understand why some WVU fans would prefer an invite to the current ACC, but that isn't going to happen. Regardless, WVU's situation is outside the scope of this specific vid.

[@autumnjohansen7715]

@@usmc-veteran73-77 semper fi

[@KyloCline]

Okay now when you say more up north are you talking about the universities or the state because I'm pretty sure Michigan's further up north than Wisconsin is

[@GoldBlueDude]

I'm pretty sure Madison is more north than Ann Arbor and East Lansing 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@KyloCline]

@@GoldBlueDude ok

[@mountaineernews2]

Well only one conference can Thanos snap one of them out of existence and it’s between the Big Ten and the SEC so we shall see we don’t have a say in anything

[@revan3841]

A&M has a higher enrollment than UT. Also, as a guy that grew up in Missouri, Iowa and Illinois are more natural rivals than Nebraska, particularly Illinois.

[@KyloCline]

And if the SEC actually gets these six teams wouldn't they have to change the conference name because it wouldn't really make much sense the Southeastern Conference with four schools that aren't south of the Mixie Dixon line

[@waynebennett745]

B1G isn't 10 schools, so.....

[@jaysonwhite4473]

Tell you as a Mizzou fan and as I like SEC I would like to be in the Big 10 more because we have more large ties there and are much closer to Missouri and yes just a much better fit. It's better for recruiting for Missouri because of the location of the Big 10 schools other than the ones way out East. The Mizzou fan base would be much higher to watch a Big 10 game. Most of us have family members in the Big 10 Country then the SEC.

[@BallardSports]

I just hate this idea but always a great video and theory.

[@davidfloyd9134]

Big10 would go after Texas, Texas A&M, Florida, Georgia

[@stephenlang7870]

The B1G could have had Texas if they'd wanted Texas. Maybe with the B1G being C2C now, who knows?

[@tarheel7406]

@@stephenlang7870 The common claim is that the B1G would have taken TEXAS but not OK. It was a firm package, so the SEC was the next door. In the presented scenario, there are no packages.

[@weswatkins2810]

You need to throw Vandy a break, forget Wisconsin and bring in Northwestern.

[@georgebernard5783]

I really want to see a Vanderbilt Northwestern Rivalry

[@MrJara1018]

Let them fight

[@romanmoronie]

Nebraska to the SEC? I think the B1G presidents would silently say "thank you". Anyone that believes the B1G Academic Alliance isn't more valuable than sports is unfamiliar with the organization.

[@GrizrazRex]

Expectations are sky-high in Lincoln, right now. If Matt Ruhle can get them bowling this year, there might be a whiff of past glory in the air for Husker Nation. If the Huskers of the last decade were to join the SEC, there would be a longing in Lincoln for the "glory" days of Bo "9-4" Pellini.

[@tarheel7406]

Anyone who thinks the BTAA adds material value is unfamiliar with basic economics

[@andybryant5646]

Yeah I think the 6 the SEC would go after would be Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, USC, and UCLA. Maybe they would go for Oregon over UCLA but that’s still a long trip from LA to Eugene Oregon. But that would make the money so great that even Notre Dame would join. Also I think the big Ten would go after Georgia over Vandy. I know they’re not AAU but they’re pretty close

[@tarheel7406]

Very unlikely that the SEC expands beyond the "greater Southeast". It's the brand/culture.

[@andybryant5646]

@@tarheel7406 Yeah they already did that with Missouri.Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M. 💰💵💰💰💰💰

[@tarheel7406]

@@andybryant5646 Do you not know what "greater" mean in the context of "greater Southeast"? I will sometime write "arguably greater Southeast".

[@andybryant5646]

@@tarheel7406 you could make the same case for Ohio as you could for Missouri. For that matter same with Pennsylvania.

[@tarheel7406]

@@andybryant5646 Not really. MO has historically been culturally tied to the Lower Midwest, which in turn has ties to the South. Ohio had always been Upper Midwest. PSU is in the Mid-Atlantic with no overlap South (unlike MD, UVA & UNC). Within a "greater Southeast", I would say that NEB is the furthest northwest,, Texas the furthest southwest, Maryland the furthest Northeast.

[@KyloCline]

Yes Florida is a founding member of the SEC

[@kogspinz4]

For the SEC. There isn’t much to pick from outside of OSU. OSU almost joined the SEC for one year of FB back in 2020. Second, maybe the Big 10 poached Vanderbilt or Missouri? I doubt it though.

[@tarheel7406]

OHIOST wasn't going to "join" the SEC for a year. Would have been a logistical nightmare. Perhaps go indy for a year with the B1G's approval.

[@lordrayden3045]

Did you fall and hit your head? Ohio state never considered leaving the big 10 And AD that even hinted at that would be fired immedietly

[@lordrayden3045]

@@tarheel7406 And that wasn’t on the table Remember Nebraska said they were going to do thst? The big 10 told them ok…. And don’t let the door hit you on the way ours. Notice how quickly Nebraska shut up

[@tarheel7406]

@@lordrayden3045 If OHSTATE actually joined the SEC for a year, it would have had to remove any sport from the B1G that the SEC also supports or have them go indy or get some NCAA waiver. That on top of any damages. I simply offered a more feasible path, which still would have triggered damages absent some B1G waiver, etc. I have no clue as to what actually happened; I just know that the original post couldn't be true based on my understanding.

[@lordrayden3045]

@@tarheel7406 What happens was OSU was pissed they weren’t playing football …. Well OSU fans. So the fans started saying “fine we will leave the big 10 then” Nebraska officials actually said “we’re going to look at playing fort all this year”. The big 1” the. Said….. no you’re not, and if you do dontt ever come back. Notice you didn’t hear any of that again

[@JAY-JAY74]

Missouri wanted to join the BIG10, but was denied admission. Vanderbilt would be much more competitive in the BIG10.

[@midwestslim]

SEC has no buy out.

[@tarheel7406]

Huh? The SEC now has exit fees and technically there is no buyout of any GOR.

[@midwestslim]

What is the exit fee for any team?

[@tarheel7406]

@@midwestslim I don't recall the new SEC exit fee, but likely ~2 years of conference distributions. Absent some liquidated damages, a breach of a GOR would require either a settlement or a judicial capitalization of the damages.

[@midwestslim]

So you don' know or you won't look it up?

[@tarheel7406]

@@midwestslim It was reported that the SEC added an exit fee as part of the TX/OK expansion. I'm satisfied with assuming that it's similar to other P5s and not too punitive to withstand any legal challenge, I don't know if the SEC has a GOR.

[@d.brownjr.4845]

I'd like to see Vanderbilt and Missouri leave the SEC. GEORGIA HAS HELPED FLORIDA THEY CAN'T LEAVE. IF THEY DID. I WANT MIAMI

[@autumnjohansen7715]

USC and ucla over mich st and wisconsin

[@Gh0stRider]

I believe the B1G could have invited Mizzou but chose not to in past expansion. Not sure what would have changed to suddenly make Mizzou more desirable. I could see the B1G going after Vandy. Vandy is about 260 miles from Indiana U; and about 350 miles from both Purdue and Illinois. They would be a better academic fit in the B1G than the SEC.

[@stephenlang7870]

Mizzou applied twice to the B1G. The last rejection lead to Mizzou joining the SEC.

[@paulvarnell]

If this happens we will be one step closer to my dream SEC conference: Alabama Arkansas Auburn Florida Georgia Kentucky LSU Mississippi State Missouri Ole Miss Oklahoma South Carolina Tennessee Texas Texas A&M + Clemson Florida State North Carolina If 20 teams also + Virginia Tech Oklahoma State

[@autumnjohansen7715]

If I was sec and wanted to add 4 teams. Going to 20 teams, I would add Miami, Clemson, FSU and VT. If 24 teams NC, Pitt, Kansas, and just for u gbd west virginia or Syracuse or Virginia. If I was to add new teams. I want new states and or best team in the state.

[@tarheel7406]

How is this relevant to the "what if" vid topic?

[@Spitfirethedragon]

Big 10 was interested in Oklahoma 10 years ago. They can't get the AAU status because their med school is in another city. I saw that Georgia, Kentucky andTennessee are also up their in research, further along than some that are already in the Big 10 like Illinois. SEC could go get Iowa instead of Wisconsin. At one time, Iowa was a rival to Nebraska, Missouri and Oklahoma.

[@tarheel7406]

Per the Altimore chart, OK is an academic peer of OREGON and WASHST. If it had AAU membership today, it would be at risk of expulsion.

[@Jack-qe8we]

Yeah their med school is in Oklahoma City about 25 miles from the campus it's one of the biggest hospitals in Oklahoma City they have the only level one trauma center in the state but that's not the reason that the Sooners didn't join the Big ten the state legislation here in Oklahoma wouldn't let them because the Big ten wouldn't accept Oklahoma State as well now the legislation doesn't give a damn that's why Oklahoma is going to the Southeast conference without Oklahoma State Oklahoma got tired of carrying them all these years

[@lordrayden3045]

@@tarheel7406 Yep

[@troybrown1083]

If B1G went after Mizzou (which it was between them and Nebraska in 2011), the other school would be Kansas with them for basketball (both AAU schools). Probably wouldn't at 18, bring in Oregon and Washington to look up west coast. Obviously this changes a bit if Notre Dame ever wants to join with the door open for them always.

[@GrizrazRex]

You conveniently forget that UO and UW are non-starters, thanks to proactive state legislatures. In the wake of the UCLA/USC to B1G announcement, these bodies enacted laws requiring that both Power 5 schools in each state must remain in the same conference together. This means either poaching both OR schools or both WA schools, and not the pick of the litter. Of course, if all 4 get poached, that is the de facto death knell of the Pac12. The lynch-pin is Cal Berkley, and here is why: Being a native Californian, I know the politics of the UC and CSU systems. There is no way that a Power 5 UC school will want CSU schools as conference mates. I see the B1G grabbing both current Pac12 schools in the Bay Area, with CSU SD, SJ, Fresno and UNLV replacing them in a Pac12 that would likely be relegated to Group of 5-like status. I would therefore not be surprised to see the B1G look to grab the entire current Pac12 North (a literal absorption of the entirety of the old Pac8). This would also make sense from a divisional structure and playoff standpoint. The B1G plays 9 conference games annually. Having the old Pac8 as a Western Division means a divisional round-robin (currently done) with 2 out-of division games (one from each of the other 2 divisions; one home and one away). Of course, this would mean a 24-team B1G, so as to have a trio of 8-team divisions. The last 2 teams would be ACC grabs TBD. Indiana could then move to the Central Division, and be reunited with in-state rival Purdue. The conference title game format would be the top 2 division champions, or perhaps an expanded 4-team playoff that adds in a wild card. Smell the money!!

[@tarheel7406]

The B1G may consider swapping NEB for MO (which is within the scope of this vid), but outside of that the B1G has a number of preferences before it gets to MO, KANSAS or OREGON.

[@autumnjohansen7715]

Illinois and Missouri have a rivalry somehow

[@sambostic8715]

Founding teams of the B1G listed in order by alphabet below: Chicago Illinois Michigan Minnesota Northwestern Purdue Wisconsin

[@midwestslim]

Illini NU Iowa will never let Mizzou in.

[@redwine65]

I don't see ut going anywhere without their love interest 0u.

[@justinmartin6471]

Interesting! Missouri to the Big Ten?

[@jeffdockery7877]

Wouldn’t shock me to see SEC try to grab OSU, Michigan, Nebraska, PSU and the California schools when this happens the SEC would give the B10 Missouri and Vandy, possibly AnM if they get butthurt. SEC would then split off and have their own league

[@tarheel7406]

Considering that the SEC Commish has publicly stated that there is no interest in expanding coast to coast like the B1G, I would be shocked. The vid is a "what if" SEC and B1G members are in play for the other, which would each find of interest and in what order of preference. Not throwing out the established other preferences of the SEC and B1G, e.g. AAU, etc.

[@williamfreeman8210]

The B1G is poised to pay its members more money than any conference in the nation with nationally televised games on FOX, CBS and ESPN while the SEC will be on ESPN/ABC alone. What incentive would these B1G schools have to leave their current conference to join the SEC?

[@tarheel7406]

@@williamfreeman8210 The B1G has likely reached its high-water mark unless it expands south. For instance, Florida is now the 3rd most populated state, and Virgina, North Carolina & Georgia have already passed or will soon pass Michigan, Illinois & Ohio. Regardless, this is a fantasy "what if" vid. What teams would the SEC/B1G like to poach from the other in order of preference, notwithstanding feasibility.

[@lordrayden3045]

They can try all they want No one is leaving the big 10

[@tarheel7406]

@@lordrayden3045 The graveyards are full of indispensable men and "nevers"

[@obi-juantacobi8552]

They can have Mizz-Who. We will bring back SEC founding member Tulane.

[@autumnjohansen7715]

If I was BIG Ten and wanted to add 4 teams. Going up to 20 teams. I would add Washington, Texas am, Texas, Florida. If I went to 24. I would add Oregon, NC, Virginia, Georgia tech. If I went to 28 ( going to 28 because don’t think sec schools will leave). . So 28 is Colorado, ND, Utah, but 4 school have great academics that aren’t aau and would be my 28 Miami, FSU , Georgia, Syracuse, Now big ten would add duke, cal, Stanford, ND.

[@tarheel7406]

If the B1G could just pull 4 teams, it would likely be among ND, TEXAS, UVA, UNC & FLORIDA. If it could pull 8, the leftover of those 5 + 3 among WASH, GEORGIA, DUKE & STANFORD.

[@sunshinedesign]

Nebraska to the sec. Missouri to the big ten. No way those other teams move

[@GrizrazRex]

Such a move would make Husker Nation long for the "glory" days of Bo Pellini.

[@benjaminhawkes6693]

Texas or Texas A&M and Florida are probably the only realistic schools the Big-10 would consider. Georgia is probably one of the closest to the Big-10 profile outside of those three. Missouri is a mistake for the SEC, i'm fairly sure the Big-10 doesn't regret passing on them. Vandy is the only other AAU in the crowd but I don't think anyone wants them. Geography doesn't really matter... and they have said they want into the sunbelt states. I think Texas A&M would be the best target. They might want something special that Texas doesn't have now that Texas stole the SEC uniqueness from them like the burnt orange trash they are.

[@tarheel7406]

I should have included UGA on my list. Flagship in fast growing, heavily talented state. Non-AAU, but rough academic peer of PSU, IOWA & RUT. The B1G has shown interest in GATECH, which is AAU but has overall weaker athletic programs and is a relatively distant "little brother". My revised list: B1G interest in SEC members in order of preference: a) TEXAS b) FLORIDA c) TXAM (alternate to TEXAS) d) GEORGIA e) MO

[@lordrayden3045]

@@tarheel7406 I’d say Florida and Texas are probably equal

[@tarheel7406]

@@lordrayden3045 Either TEXAS or TXAM would be geo outliers. Both would be like USC/UCLA? Anway, FLORIDA and GEORGIA's place on the list rise contingent on what happens to UVA/UNC.

[@benjaminhawkes6693]

z) Vanderbilt.

[@robertkauffman8137]

Most likely to actually move to SEC N, PSU Most likely the other way TAMU, FL These are the poor fits or the angry members who want to stick it to the man.

[@tarheel7406]

a) NEB to SEC yes. PSU very unlikely. b) TXAM/MO to B1G maybe/yes. Founding FLORIDA, very unlikely.

[@robertkauffman8137]

@@tarheel7406 I get why you'd suggest that.

[@obi-juantacobi8552]

I don't see Florida as founding member leaving right now tbh.

[@jamesstrand1919]

You hit the mark. As a Husker fan we got a little growly in the Covid year… Honestly we don’t really fit that well. Seems more liberal than conservative. Academically Nebraska is trying to improve… We care about football and want to win just as badly as the sec. We want to be a CWS baseball contender too and that is unlikely in the big ten. Missouri and A&M had to be mad when Texass was invited. They wanted to get away just like we did.

[@autumnjohansen7715]

@@jamesstrand1919 since your a Nebraska fan. Isn’t the reason Nebraska lost aau is because there med school is off campus. So to me Nebraska is still close to aau. I think there med stuff is in omaha

[@averagejoe9249]

Sec and big 10 should merge already

[@GrizrazRex]

Give it another decade. The key would be to remain NCAA in all other sports, but to form a new CFA (CFB Association) conference, and contract with the NY6 bowls.

[@TestSubject38]

You forgot USC and UCLA. They might fit better in the SEC than some of the B1G teams you mentioned. Also stop with saying Michigan like a child.

[@TheLAGopher]

USC and UCLA are elite academic schools from one of the most progressive areas of the United States. They are much more culturally aligned with the B1G vs the SEC.

[@TestSubject38]

@blkyank1 I know that but him was talking if the SEC took some of the B1G schools. USC and UCLA are better choices then Wisconsin or even Michigan State for them to steal. I agree the do fit better in the B1G but for his list he wanted the teams with the biggest brands.

[@GrizrazRex]

That's actually how F.H. Yost pronounced it. You know him; 5 nattys, and the first ever bowl game win. It was his 1905 letter to POTUS T. Roosevelt that convinced the latter to not ban football outright. Most CFB fans do not realize how indebted we all are to F.H. Yost. At least Michigan's ice hockey arena (originally a football indoor practice facility) honors Yost with its' name. Games there are quite the unique experience; lots of YT vids on the subject.

[@stephenlang7870]

The biggest rival of Mizzou in the B1G is Illinois. Also, any AAU school would jump at the chance to get into the B1G. The research possibilities are just too attractive. Because of that, the only team that the SEC could pull would be the Bugeaters of Nebraska.

[@tarheel7406]

a) Research, AAU, etc. are attached to and move with the school b) The academic factor is cultural and related to preferred associations MO, TEX, FLORIDA have never been in an "academics also" conference, so it's less of a factor for those schools.

[@tarheel7406]

Oh, and UNC has rejected the B1G in the past due to competing preferences

[@jaredstivers]

We know that the Big 10 would break there AAU member Status rule for Notre Dame. But could the Big 10 Break it for a Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee? Here me out, the money lost from not being AAU but the Revenue from then Pading up would Dwarf the majority of the B1G in Athlete revenue to there pockets. I know the Texas, Texas A&M Missouri with Florida would be a Slam dunk. But adding a Alabama (Most Decorated College Football brand. Georgia very strong Football brand, Helps to get you into Georgia, Alabama and Florida Markets. Tennessee get you a Historic Football powerhouse and open up Tennessee(Nashville), Help open up Alanta(Georgia, Florida, Alabama and Tennessee market.) Florida get you another winning program and into the Orlando, Miami, Tampa Bay, Tallahassee and Jacksonville markets. Alabama get you Alanta, Alabama, Central Tennesse and Mississippi. LSU is New Orleans, Southern Mississippi helps with Houston. Plus with Texas A&M and Texas your getting top markets in the Deep South, Mid South and South East of the United States Football belt.

[@autumnjohansen7715]

Georgia actually has good academics. They could fit . But if big ten didn’t have aau ish qualifications, I would go after the big stadiums sec schools . Texas, Texas am, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama and LSU. I definitely wouldn’t add ole miss, miss st, SC, ark,

[@romanmoronie]

No.

[@GrizrazRex]

Please brush up on proper capitalization. Your post reads like the work of a 4th grader. At least, try to put a little more of the C into CFB.

[@tarheel7406]

I suspect that the only SEC school that could get an AAU exception from the B1G is GEORGIA. Some claim that the B1G rejected OK for academic reasons, so why would BAMA, TENN or LSU be different?

[@calebward9284]

Oklahoma?

[@GoldBlueDude]

No AAU status..

[@tarheel7406]

And perhaps already rejected by the B1G

[@Marcus_Aurelius_Maximus]

"Thick Skin, check" good becuase I am back. The overload of Gold & Blue Dude. I like when I drop the hammer you are not timid about letting me know where you stand; and for that my friend you get a sub, a like, and some more feedback. There is a chance that Washington, Oregon, Notre Dame, and Pitt. Washington met with B10 officials back in September to explore the possibilities. Notre Dame has its own independent deal with NBC but it expires soon and ND will have to read the writing on the wall... join or die. I don't see Vanderbilt joining the B10. I believe that Texas and Okahoma said they would join the SEC in 2025. My outliers are Missiouri and Utah joining the B10. I really doubt any Florida school would be interested in joining the B10. IMO... thanks - nice food for thought.

[@brian_abn]

none of the original/core 10 would leave the big 10, so that's a non-starter. penn st and nebraska have expressed frustration with the big 10 at times, so perhaps there would be some interest, but i think the issues they have with the big 10 would only be exasperated in the sec. maryland is kind of an outlier, with not much history with the big 10, so they'd be a candidate for the sec. as for the big 10's interest in sec teams, i think there are only 2, mizzou and texas. mizzou fits better in the big10 than it does in the sec, and they already have built-in rivals in the b10 - nebraska and illinois. texas would be a long-shot, not sure if they'd be interested in the big 10, and vice versa. they'd kind of be on island down there all by themselves. there would be some great matchups for the longhorns in the b10, but not really any natural rivals. nebraska certainly hates them, but beyond that, not much.

[@tarheel7406]

"Non-starters" are irrelevant to this vid as I understand it.

[@lordrayden3045]

@@tarheel7406 Reality is irrelevant as well

[@tarheel7406]

@@lordrayden3045 "Reality is irrelevant as well" Correct. This is an acknowledged fantasy "what if" vid. Why is that so difficult to understand?

[@mikekatura6657]

U take those teams out of big ten the conference folds up shop pretty fast

[@tarheel7406]

Why? The B1G remainders would need to react. Why wouldn't they rebuild like the BIG12 did?

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

GBD, I know it’s for entertainment purposes, but you are reaching on this one. Neither will go after each others schools. What I can see is top brands from each conference breaking off and forming their own conference to drop the Rutgers/Vandy deadwood. I could see Texas, TexasA&M, Oklahoma, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Penn State, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska, USC, UCLA,

[@GoldBlueDude]

Actually, I'm not reaching at all. I saw an idea submitted from one of my viewers, I liked it, and so I did a video on it. That doesn't mean I think it's gonna happen 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@tarheel7406]

Let's be fair. To his credit, GBD is now openly labeling these vids as "what if" entertainment, not predictions or statements supported by "sources". "What if" pigs can fly, how would things change?

[@tarheel7406]

a) Any new league would have to include schools currently outside of the new SEC/B1G b) It's far more likely that the future fully consolidated P2 establish some governing Czar and Authority rather than create a new league

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

@@tarheel7406 I’m waiting on a GBD video that the moon is made of cheese. I have to say that GBD is entertaining and might provide reasonable reasons why the moon is made of cheese.

[@tarheel7406]

@@Mr.Ed_Wayner GBD needs content, so I have no problem with acknowledged fantasy scenarios and playing along. When GBD presents things as sourced and feasible, I come down hard. In reality, only NEB & MD are feasible from the B1G to SEC, and only MO is feasible from the SEC to B1G. Maybe I'm missing some.

[@svenkreuzberg2274]

GBD without OSU and Michigan the Big 10 would be dead. Fact !

[@tarheel7406]

Is that an admission that the BIG12 died, replaced by the new BIG12?

[@jadarienfuller887]

Why would an sec team leave for the big 10 lol

[@tarheel7406]

a) Greater overall prestige? b) Better overall athletics?

[@tarheel7406]

@user-cn8mz1de4d Grasshoopa, you have a lot to learn. You must be a typical SEC fan that only looks at football. "Alliance" conferences look at things far broader. For instance, the SEC supports the fewest number of sports of all the P5s. It's far easier to poach from an "academics optional" conference than from an "academics also".

[@jonnybaze7449]

Money

[@johnphamlore8073]

Michigan I suspect thinks the Michigan State game is becoming too violent, and want it to stop being a yearly game in football.

[@terrancemacklin417]

😂😂 Hell naw

[@GrizrazRex]

Not a chance. Sparty lives for that one game alone.

[@charleskuss8428]

If You SMEEEELLLLLLL-ELLL-ELLLLLL What the Rock Is Cookin

[@edcarman4704]

Another complete fantasy video, based in nothing other than fantasy.

[@GoldBlueDude]

Actually, it was a fantasy video based on a comment from one of my viewers/subscribers. I kinda explained that in the video 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@tarheel7406]

@@GoldBlueDude I can respect your frustration. You finally label these vids as fantasy "what ifs", and many still don't get it.

[@tommann3980]

Actually they would go after kentucky and kansas first and foremost.

[@d.brownjr.4845]

I'd like to see the SEC go after: WV. ND. N PENN PENN ST. OKL ST BU TCU WISCONSIN

[@GrizrazRex]

You do know that Penn is an Ivy League school, right? Not gonna happen.

[@tarheel7406]

@@GrizrazRex One can state any "go after" preference they please. Taking as legit, all would likely accept (if able) except ND, PENN, PSU & WISC, so 5 of 9.