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[@jonathanlowrie7728]

SMU will never be invited unless another Texas schools leaves. The current 4 Texas schools would all veto SMU and the remaining Big 8 schools do not want the conference to become too Texas-centric.

[@Chevy265V8]

At this point I don't think SMU wants anything to do with the Big 12 for all those times when the Big 12 had to add schools and didn't even look at SMU. They would rather drop football before going there. Too many bridges have been burned for them to ever join.

[@ardentlions6636]

I agree with you.

[@ardentlions6636]

Chevy SMU has been trying to get in the Big 12 since it started, big 12 wanted nothing to do with SMU.

[@brettrobinson2901]

@@jonathanlowrie7728 I hafta admit...a conference with the ancient Fort Worth - Dallas rivalry would add some spice ...and far flung as the current , and likely future Big12 conference is and will be..adding the Dallas market with A less than dominating presence ala Southern Methodist University wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing...I SAY BRING BACK THE BATTLE OF THE SKILLET!...conference STYLE!😉

[@drgat6953]

Truth. The only reason why Houston was added was because UT left. OU and another non-Texas team left instead Houston would not be considered.

[@chrisphillips1974]

I was listening until you went SMU, BigXII aint falling for the SMU trap, they could of added them instead of Houston or Cincinnati a few years ago. The last team getting in, inside your scenario would be Stanford, Cal, Oregon St, or Washington St, all ahead of SMU

[@nickloughren1919]

Good so you do see the slant and how they are setting up the power 2

[@Harrison244]

Pitt, Louisville, Cuse, VT, NCSU, GT, & Miami all make sense

[@thywillbedone1965]

Agreed and Duke

[@drgat6953]

Swap Duke with Syracuse and I agree.

[@thywillbedone1965]

@@drgat6953 I could definitely get with that.

[@dfausti66]

I don't know, Arizona State Red Devils and Duke Blue Devils in the same conference means there will be hell to pay!

[@mattparker2323]

Red Devils? Arizona State are the Sun Devils. My high school in Springville Utah is the Red Devils

[@chriswise7978]

Isn't the sun red hot?​@@mattparker2323

[@Dqzmngf7530]

This is without doubt the best expansion breakdown I’ve seen! I believe in the end, some configuration of three 24 team leagues like this model will determine the CFP. Well done Sir!

[@duckmcnutty]

Is enough attention being paid to possible brand decline for some of these SEC/BIG potential additions? Some could become bottom feeders. Is the extra conference payout worth sacrificing long term success? Is there a point where being the king of the big 12 is better than becoming like Arkansas/ Nebraska in their new conferences? Just wondering what the dollar value is on having a winning tradition?

[@Yakitak]

Great concept in terms of the quality of schools and fit. The big challenge is “how much would the media pay for these 24 teams in one mammoth conference?”

[@braddorholt1070]

nice job as always Mark!

[@bradonelkins687]

I actually have a ideal big 12 realignment have 4 groups of 6 they all play everyone in their group and 1 each from the other 3 and the last week of the season the 4 highest teams in each group will play to go to the conference championship game

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Nebraska sure was forward thinking back in the day. Would be the interesting to see if they'd get a BIG invite from the XII today....

[@turdfurgison149]

Uh no…Nebraska is making exponentially more in the B1G

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

@@turdfurgison149 for sure making hell of a lot more then the mess VII is in but would the BIG want them today you think?

[@turdfurgison149]

@@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc not at their current state performance-wise, but the university brings in a bucket-load of cash regardless

[@Dqzmngf7530]

Nebraska has become irrelevant in the B1G. It’s sad say, and see but I guess it’s all about the 💰

[@vividpsychosis8222]

What’s funny is, if FSU, Clemson, UNC and Miami just left the terrible ACC deal and joined the big 12, they would likely make an extra 35-40 million a year. Which would put them at the same number at the SEC. Making 3 power conferences making reasonably the same $$$

[@tarheel7406]

They would be better off waiting out the GOR.

[@vividpsychosis8222]

@@tarheel7406 they would instantly make 70-80million the year after they joined because the big 12 is prorated for new power 5 members and negations happen every time a new team joins. They would absolutely not be better waiting for GOR

[@tarheel7406]

@@vividpsychosis8222 No. The BIG12 is now all Tier 1 rejects, ~33% G5. Synergies matter. Any core ACC team would be worth less in the BIG12 than they are worth in the current ACC. The ACC's deal is terrible because that conference is worth for more. The BIG12 is at current market.

[@vividpsychosis8222]

@@tarheel7406 you have no understanding of how the media deal works or would change with those additions. Btw, lots of talk about Clemson and fsu in early talks with the big 12 right now being reported all over X

[@tarheel7406]

@@vividpsychosis8222 I know how media deals work. I also understand synergies. FSU has no choice. It can't stay in the ACC, and the B1G/SEC have little to no interest. Been saying as much for a very long time. CLEMSON is likely just doing its due diligence, and FSU is hoping to drag along to mitigate damages. No non-P2 team will eventually be able to compete in Tier 1 football.

[@geoffreyevans6133]

SDSU is better for recruiting than SMU. SMU is to close to TCU.

[@DayOneRob]

SDSU 💪

[@Guknowit]

Absolutely agree... But SMU brings an original rivalry and and tons of money and history.

[@rogerharris5515]

I like how this looks. You've put it together very well. This is getting pretty interesting. I hope it can happen very soon. Hey Mark, do you have a brother named Karl? I was in the airforce with him and he looks just like you.

[@sgtpickles1319]

If 24 is the number, Oregon State and Washington State should get a spot on partial shares

[@jacksonmars3389]

Memphis Boise need to be added at some point.

[@davidbass255]

Duke? Not feeling that program and all its baggage. If your looking to add a basketball focused program with occasional football relevance, I'd rather see San Diego St added and bring in some California recruiting/market and that 4th time zone. SMU? Too many Texas teams already and what do they really add in terms of additional viewers and additional recruiting? Syracuse, Memphis, UConn, Wake Forest, even Boise St...all of those would make more sense. Other than that I'm down with your proposal.

[@DayOneRob]

SDSU 💪

[@alhygh2753]

I like the 4 divisions over the 3. I like how you kept most rivalries in tact. We are getting to the point where in basketball, certain teams might not play each during the conference season. Also what if Stanford and Cal decide to come the Big 12?

[@Donjkoontz]

I always thought 24 was the end goal. But hell to the no on SMU…Big12 would’ve took them already if they had value

[@gregnelson1330]

If Sankey gets FSU & Clemson, you can crown them champions til the end of time. The Championship game would be the final SEC game. That's it! Over!

[@Donjkoontz]

If adding 8…6 from East. Pitt, Louisville, VT, NCST, Miami and GT. I’m a firm believer that WSU and OSU would fit in far better than Calford…

[@wademyers9698]

your looking for a fix, lets start by putting OKST in the west and putting ISU in the Central. Due to the rising costs of travel i think ISU has to be central so that means either OKST or a Texas school go West. Now maybe you pull KU, KSU and ISU and send 3 Texas schools. But with OKSTs location *out on its own with no paring*, it makes the most sense to swap and you can still keep the Texas schools together. then the East id send Lousiville and Probably Cincy to the central again geography, sending Miami and UCF East. you will still have room on the schedule for maybe a forced yearly Rivarly game between Cincy and Pitt or however you want, and again the goal with the rising costs of travel is to limit the amount of traveling a team has to do.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

Big XII (until a new name is set) West- U of A, ASU, UU, BYU, CU, TTU Midwest- Ok St, ISU, KU, KSU, TCU, Baylor East- Cin, Pitt, Lou, WVU, VT, Duke Southeast- GT, UCF, Miami, SMU, Houston, NC State The trips from both Dallas and Houston to Florida or Atlanta are easy. SMU was going to the ACC anyway. The Southeast keeps significant regional exposure. The East is full of close, bitter neighbors that nearly all play an entertaining brand of football. The Midwest keeps much of the Big 8 together with the additions of 2 Texas teams used to these opponents. The West keeps important rivalries alive and TTU is the furthest west Texas school that already dislikes ASU. The basketball is well spread out, with the exception of the Midwest, which will beat itself to death. The people watching these games will be familiar and enjoy the brand of both football and basketball they will get in this combination. Using 6-team divisions instead of 8-team divisions encourages more appearances in important media and recruiting hotbeds for schools in more sparse areas. This can potentially also serve to keep more schedule dates open for out of conference games with significant ratings up-side. What do you think?

[@tarheel7406]

Why would any Tier 2 ACC flight risks move to the BIG12?

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

@@tarheel7406, because the Big XII is more aggressive than every other alternative, it offers more monetization options, has a more flexible media contract, and they still want to be in a legitimate power 3 conference when the ACC dies because it doesn't know how to write a contract.

[@tarheel7406]

@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Aggressive does not equate to effective. The BIG12 is now the worst P4 (by far) in athletics, academics, value and prestige. Within the realm of feasibility, the BIG12 can only get peer with a depleted ACC in football (Tier 2 will be fungible), men's basketball, and value. No way to close in overall athletics, academics and prestige. There will be no peer P3. In context, the BIG12 is already dead. Until BIG12 fans accept these realities, you won't be able to move on.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

@@tarheel7406, that's pretty funny because the media deals don't agree because the ratings don't agree with you. Big XII sports have earned better ratings than the ACC. The ACC has squandered what assets it has through acquiescence. The ACC has a hand-full of schools that try, and a lot of others that coast. Academics are a non sequitur. Nobody pays Rice and Tulane for their great academics. Stanford was left out and had to bottom-feed across the country to find a home. The ACC is a distracted, disinterested proctor that allowed their inability to manage the market to drive away their best teams. FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC and likely others will leave and the media dollars will not chase a crumbling product. The ACC markets poorly, lazily, and it is so effete that it couldn't be brought to care until teams are walking out the door. Private equity, the Big XII and FSU are both comfortable with it. The ACC is not. That avenue alone can subsidize the burial costs of the most myopic conference still standing. . . now that the Pac-X is an unpleasant cautionary tale for exactly the sort of people the ACC is constituted by. Without "want to", aggressiveness, assets are meaningless. The ACC is flat laconic.

[@tarheel7406]

@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Not hacking through a comment from someone with no self-awareness. The BIG12 is the benchmark for a former peer P5 that has fully depleted, backfilled, and survived. If the conference below can get ~$30M per, a Tier 2 ACC should easily: WVU (small state low prestige flag) CINCY (G5) UCF (G5) BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent) HOUSTON (G5) IOWAST (low population state #2) KSTATE (low population state #2) OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports) KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball) TCU (G5 equivalent) BAYLOR (G5 equivalent) TXTECH (G5 equivalent)

[@vinnieromano1336]

No SMU.

[@louisjohnson2042]

I like the 3 divisions of 8!! Miami was the only BIG oddball in it, being isolated from the rest of the Big East/ACC. But I can see them wanting to associate with Texas.

[@denisdooley1540]

You know, if you took all the programs in the Big12 and all the programs in the ACC and ranked them on net athletic revenue and TV share and took the top 16 to 20 and dumped all the dogs and extreme geographic outliers you might be able to be a reasonably close "bronze medalist," but one or the other raiding 2-6 teams from the other wont get them even remotely close.

[@christopherwebb3517]

Up until this year, the only FBS conference in relatively modern times to expand to 16 or more members was the WAC in the late 90s - and it was a disaster from the beginning. It led to the WAC losing half its members (including most of its long-time members) after just a couple of seasons, and it eventually led to the WAC ceasing to exist as an FBS conference. For this reason, I don't think that any of the conferences who expanded to 16 or more this year will add any more schools for at least the next few years. They're going to see how being such a big, far-flung conference will work out first.

[@tarheel7406]

The B1G and SEC will have the brand gravity to make a large conference work. The BIG12 is already too large and wide to be stable over the long-term, as it doesn't have much gravity.

[@sammyvillena9777]

Massive conference. I'd be on board with this or a 20 team league IF there was promotion/relegation. Big 12 Premier and the Big 12 First Division. If a twenty team league, split it into 2 ten team leagues. Worst team from Premier gets relegated. Premier members get boo-ku money while First Division teams get G5 level money. Something similar if 24 team league but split into east/west 12 team league with promotion/relegation.

[@christopherwebb3517]

If these are the 24 teams, I'd go with: West: Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, BYU, Colorado, Texas Tech Central: TCU, SMU, Iowa St., Kansas, Kansas St., Oklahoma St. Atlantic: Houston, Baylor, Duke, NC St., Miami, UCF. East: WVU, Pitt Louisville, Cincinnati, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech

[@jimhull3103]

NORTHEAST: Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Va Tech, Louisville, Cinci SOUTHEAST: NC State, Duke, Ga Tech, Miami, Houston, UCF SOUTHWEST: TCU, Tx Tech, Baylor, OK State, Arizona, ASU NORTHWEST: ISU, K-State, KU, Colorado, Utah, BYU

[@Guknowit]

Bob Blowsme was the worst commissioner is CFB just behind George Kliavkoff.. When Colorado and Nebraska first departed he sat on his ass and waited for Mizzou and A&M to leave before finally making moves with WVU and TCU.. He could've had Louisville and Utah at one point, but sat back and assumed everything would pan out... Worst of all, he allowed for the Longhorn network to exist without the creation of a Big 12 Network which started the whole fiasco to begin with. During his entire tenure, OU, UT, even OSU, and TTU were all plotting back room deals for a group exit (Snubbed by UT) into the B1G and the original Pac 10.

[@tarheel7406]

Who were available replacements for NEB/CO that weren't dilutive and/or would get TEXAS approval? WVU/TCU were dilutive but necessary. No, the fault lies with the BIG12 rank and file for not accepting TX/OK as lost and directing Bowlsby to act accordingly.

[@Guknowit]

@@tarheel7406 Louisville and Utah/BYU where still in the window. Blowsme even stated that they didn't need to replace them because the Big 12 was healthy (then lose two more teams the following year) when they were hemorrhaging. All those teams left because of uneven/unearned shares (specifically Texas and their Longhorn Network). Blowsme failed to backfill and more importantly he failed to nip UT in the butt when they were overzealous.

[@haydenjohnson1520]

Gotta wonder where wake forest is going once the ACC goes

[@tarheel7406]

If the ACC depletes out that heavily to the SEC/B1G, it won't matter much what WAKE and the BIG12 remainders do.

[@simon2077]

We are NOT adding SMU. Why would you have 2 teams in the D/FW area? TOTAL waste of money. Lived in D/FW 38 years I know better. For me my preference for a 24 team league: EAST > West Virginia , PITT, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Cincinnati, NC State, Miami, UCF CENTRAL > Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech WEST > Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Colorado, San Diego State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State. Hell if I had it my way I'd love to have Duke, GT, Gonzaga and UConn, but I went for a total balanced FB conference in all 4 time zones. The 3 new ones in the west I know I'll get flack on, but it gets us in all 3 Pacific Coast states. Although Cal & Stanford would be nice to have they hate our culture, more skewed to academics.

[@drgat6953]

I think 20 maybe 21 is the upper limit of what a conference should be. Beyond that you are looking at a league.

[@RaymondPexton]

Big 12 after ACC desolves, SMU, menphis,, louisville, virginia tech, virginia, Pitt, boston college, syracuse.

[@tarheel7406]

Why and how would the ACC dissolve?

[@eddiemason7118]

I’m all for it if the new conference would have four divisions and then a mini playoff for conference championship.

[@big12plus]

Bad idea.

[@louispapp7722]

Instead of two divisions go to four pods of five.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Louisville correct pronunciation is LEW-vull. Lean into the LEW. youre welcome.

[@Drumwolf62]

It is actually pronounced Looneyville. Because the fans are very delusional and are always an over rated team.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

@@Drumwolf62 - love the CFB RIVALRY.

[@troykeag9101]

Just re-name the Central to South.

[@kevineberhardt4431]

NEED TO BRING BACK THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

The voice of college football? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I love the enthusiasm, but I question the sanity.

[@darrenanderson5551]

Duke will be going to Big10 With UNC!

[@tarheel7406]

UNC is ~100% to the SEC.

[@SRHersom]

Central - Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Louisville, Cincinnati. West - Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Texas Tech. East- West Virginia, Pittsburgh, VA Tech, NC State, Duke, GA Tech. South - Miami, UCF, Houston, Baylor, SMU, TCU

[@patrickboren2211]

Gonna have to drop SMU, don't see XII adding SMU. SMU can survive in a future, yet weaker, ACC.

[@SRHersom]

I was using the teams that he came up with

[@stevemoserify]

seeing how non valuable teams 21-24 are, the Big XII will most assuredly not exceed 20 teams

[@gregnelson1330]

Only possible if ND joins B1G.

[@patrickboren2211]

I do not see more than 4 more teams being added due to dilution. Unless the Media Partners agree to keep the value raised by adding not four but eight schools. Unless you are talking Calford and four ACC schools. I cannot see adding eight schools without dilution imo. Pitt is borderline, top 2, not Miami (probably B1G) otherwise Miami, then Louisville, NC State, after that value is questionable at best. Two more teams that Brett Yormark / Media Partners deem at equal or better Big 12 value would be added.

[@aaronlovell6026]

The SEC is looking at 4 states. North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia and Kansas. Make of that what you will. But you can go from there.

[@GDoggy-em2xc]

North Carolina and Virginia I can see being good markets. But why Kansas and West Virginia?

[@ardentlions6636]

Sec is not looking at Kansas🙄

[@aaronlovell6026]

@@ardentlions6636 that's exactly what they said about Missouri. And yet they are in. The SEC is looking at 4 new states, and the flagship program from those 4 states. You do the math and see where it takes you. Then look at the new football stadium Kansas is building. You don't spend that kind of money to stay in the big 12.

[@Dqzmngf7530]

I can see WVU and VT in the SEC💯. Not too sure about Kansas and NC.

[@tarheel7406]

@@Dqzmngf7530 Delusional

[@gregnelson1330]

TT replaces Iowa St in western 6.

[@PokeState]

This is rage bate huh?

[@nfranks7747]

Keep your BIG24 with your average teams and wave goodbye to Texas, OU, and Texas A&M (the actual teams that carried the BIG12). The Houston v. UCF game is probably already sold out.

[@Guknowit]

Did you just say A&M carried the Big 12?!?!? LOL 😂 Bro A&M was a bottom to mid tier team nearly their whole tenure in the Big 12. If anyone would be considered as a flagship of the Big12 outside of OU and UT it would be Nebraska.

[@nickloughren1919]

In other words bowlsby in ability to make meaningful expansion caused espn/fox to offer the big12 less money, so how exactly is yormark supposed to get top tier schools to join the conference how is it yormarks fault

[@tarheel7406]

From what I've seen, Bowlsby was tasked by the rest of the BIG12 to keep TX/OK happy rather than preemptively backfill and accelerate their eventual departure. Bowlsby then got the 8 remainders to accept reality within ~2 months and saved the conference with necessary (albeit dilutive) backfill. All BY has been able to do is prepare and hope for PAC refugees. After the BIG12 started to deplete out with NEB and CO, it was never going to poach from the other then P5s.

[@nickloughren1919]

@@tarheel7406 and colo and Nebraska left because they thought the conference was going to collapse so left, because of the pac wanting Texas and Oklahoma to leave so he made a deal with those two in which they got unequal revenue shares and Texas was allowed to have the longhorn network which they effectively used to promote themselves as a major brand but before this happened there were 2 separate chance for the conference to expand south east and east that didn’t happen

[@tarheel7406]

@@nickloughren1919 "there were 2 separate chance for the conference to expand south east and east that didn’t happen" With whom? It's my understanding that CLEMSON/FSU threats to leave for the BIG12 were just empty threats to get their way in MARYLAND's replacement, which they did get. The BIG12 was founded with 2 G5 equivalents in TXTECH and BAYLOR. If it had legitimate chances of better options, why not at founding? The general consensus seems to be that TEXAS poison was the root cause of the BIG12's decline, and it already didn't have many unifying aspects. No long history other than what the BIG8 brought, but that was nerfed via its official dissolution. No academic branding.

[@brianp2489]

SMU is a terrible idea. Big 12 would be better off adding Washington State.

[@JasonE1972]

Lost me at SMU. Many of chances and never selected and would never happen unless “maybe” TCU left. BY would rather have UCONN.

[@michaelwall3393]

Kick out SMU and add someone that has traditionally played for conference championship football and bowl games and so on. I don’t think ACC loses any teams to the Big12 first of all. I understand that they would do similar to Big12 and backfill and probably extend to renegotiate their contracts but actually might get a slight increase in revenue just like the Big12 did except nowhere close enough for the schools who want to leave or will have left. With that said, if the Big12 was first to go to 24 teams and add 8 schools; this is who I add somewhat realistic expectations as Big12 not getting Miami, could be wrong but don’t think so. The others you mentioned would be on my list except SMU not needed and have VT going with UVA, and NCST with UNC, Clemson, Florida State, and Miami to the top two conferences in SEC and BiG10 with this hypothetical scenario. The Adds: Pitt Louisville Liberty Memphis Duke App St GT Tulane Big12 East Cincinnati Pitt WV Liberty Duke App Store GT UCF Big12 Central Louisville Memphis Tulane OkSt TCU Baylor Houston TTech Big12 West Iowa St Kansas State Kansas Colorado BYU Utah Arizona Arizona State Is it perfect? No. Is it realistic for a hypothetical scenario and garnering the best possible football and basketball schools and other sports to get the Big12 as close as possible to the top two conferences? Yes, I think so.

[@ardentlions6636]

Liberty🤣

[@michaelwall3393]

@@ardentlions6636they beat Baylor at Baylor a few years ago. By the way this is about programs that matter and win. While last season they faced no one really, in previous seasons Liberty played Big12 and ACC schools and won and beat bottom of the conference BiG10 teams too, as an FBS independent before joining CUSA. They also blasted a good BYU team, who are always falsely claiming they have been P5/BCS/P4 caliber school in all sports especially football. My list makes sense and adds value and clarity and regionality as I have them. SMU is a joke as are other schools currently in the ACC. I also don’t see anyway Miami, NCST, VaTech, and Notre Dame have any inkling to be part of the Big12 without landing in either the SEC or BiG10; which is where those four schools along with Clemson, Florida State, UNC, and UVA are probably headed to at some point down the road in a few years or so. The Big12 has Christian schools and a Pagan Occult school in BYU, so adding Liberty makes sense. Memphis and other schools that are G5 I have listed kind of own the Big12 and ACC schools the past few years, and in some cases handedly. Both the ACC and Big12 would be wise to consider the schools based on their ratings and viewership numbers being on par with multiple Big12 and ACC schools. Remember it’s about advertising revenue and revenue for networks that then adjust and distribute to the schools or conferences. But I have said routinely that the ACC is not like the PAC and moreover like the Big12 and will backfill, renegotiate media deals but still have substantial revenue, and retain P4/A4 status, as no schools go to the Big12. Multiple ACC media outlets and journalists feel the same way or have reported that; and on top of that, many feel like 2-4 teams/schools are leaving and no other. If this transpires, look for the ACC to just shore up (no pun intended) the west coast with2-3 schools and add two gulf coast schools and maybe find 2-3 qualified east coast schools. This would force the Big12 to go back to G5 route to get some schools in the East between WVU and UCF. Because I believe that the end goal is to have as many schools that have or deserve Autonomy status in the P4 group conferences so can break away from the G5 and make D1 athletics into tiers 1, 2, & 3. This includes Olympic sports too.

[@tarheel7406]

a) If the measure is "possible" rather than "feasible", why not go for OHIOST and BAMA? b) The BIG12 is already too large and wide for a Tier 2. It may not have the gravity to keep its current 16. No way it can keep 24.

[@genfari9522]

FSU has more alumni and fans in the city of Miami than Miami has. So I don't see it as a new market if you get FSU.

[@genfari9522]

Switch UL and SMU with Mia and UCF.

[@moffprof02]

Remove Duke and SMU and put in Or St and Wa St. new states and markets and time zone…

[@patrickboren2211]

Don't see XII going larger than 20 schools. But I would take Duke / Oregon State and leave out WASU/SMU for sure.

[@Dqzmngf7530]

OR State and WSU over Duke and SMU💯! Both should have been added this last go around.

[@ambivert1970]

Dump Duke and GT. Move Miami and UCF to East. Move Arizona and Arizona State to central, pick up Washington State and Oregon State for west

[@gregnelson1330]

I see B1G getting FSU & ND, the SEC stopping after NC & Virginia. Yormark gobbles up Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NCST, Duke, VTech, Pitt & Syracuse or GTech.

[@MarkRogersVOCFB]

Clemson to the Big 12. Interesting.

[@gregnelson1330]

@@MarkRogersVOCFB a little better balance.

[@desertrat1111]

Looks good except Clemson. That is too good of a program not to be in B1G/SEC

[@tarheel7406]

Under that scenario, why would any ACC remainder downgrade to the new BIG12?

[@tarheel7406]

Mark... The CFP distribution structure clearly already accounts for expected ACC depletion. There is no reason that I can see that suggests any ACC remainder leaves for the BIG12 if the ACC "only" lost those named four. CAL+2 are preemptive backfill to avoid having to do so.

[@garybarben237]

30 Team conference in pods of 10. East is same as you have, but add Miami and UCF. Midwest TT Baylor, TCU Houston, KS Kstate, OkSt IASt, CO St. CO. West AZSt AZ, BYU Utah, Cal Stanford, WA St OR St, SDSU UNLV I dropped SMU and added Cal, Stanford, Washington State, Oregon State, Colorado State, UNLV and SDSU. This adds Rivalries and Big population markets.

[@dfausti66]

Utah, BYU, Arizona, and Arizona State would likely prefer some connection with some Texas schools.

[@geoffreyevans6133]

I would take 3 more schools from mountain and pacific time zones and five from the ACC. That way the Olympic sports could be split three ways into an EAstern division, a central division and a western division of eight teams each., with a end of season tournament in Dallas or Kansas City.

[@nuttynutt860]

this is dumb, miami and ucf etc in central but more east than the teams he chose to be in the east smh

[@MarkRogersVOCFB]

I can see you didn’t listen.

[@Lane2268]

sorry thgat js total B.S. why the hell would they leave one jshjtty pay out to jojin another jshijtty payout? janswer nthey would not they would get absorbed by bg 10 and jsec.

[@StormyCyclone]

All this is great talk, but $ has to be better to compete with the P2. I see 6 teams after August that bring no value to Big 12. Travel expenses also have to be considered.

[@messagetous]

Like Biden, I feel bad for Mark. He sounds lost and nonsensical. I love and respect the work Mark has done for the community for a couple of decades. This one is just nutty.

[@wetblanket1977]

When it comes to big 12, this isn't the place to get your information. It's viewed as an inept second or third rate conference and they'll gladly tell you that. Not worth my time

[@judah9934]

If big 12 can get duke and north carolina that be great

[@OhBoy937]

I got Pitt Cincinnati Louisville West Virginia Central Florida South Florida SMU Houston Kansas State Baylor TCU Texas Tech Washington St Oregon State San Diego St Arizona St Arizona UNLV Colorado State Colorado Boise State Iowa St BYU Utah With Kansas & Oklahoma State headed to the SEC with Clemson, UNC, Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State, Duke. Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Stanford, California head to the B1G

[@chadstraight3557]

First time watcher...no way 24...and Pitt is a bottom tier program now. Sorry. Stopped after that.

[@brettrobinson2901]

The Big12s best case scenario...is to ADD Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State..and absorb what it can of the ACC and rename the conference " the Big American Conference" ....

[@charlielucey3333]

SDSU is a better brand and adds a better market than all 3 of those schools

[@brettrobinson2901]

@@charlielucey3333 If it was a better brand and market...one, the Aztecs would ALREADY be in a major conference as NO one in college football misses a moneymaker...TWO!...the city would STILL have the Chargers...and the Clippers...and quite frankly, possibilities aside...when was the LAST time SAN DIEGO STATE did the remotest dominating thing... in ANY sport?..aka Boise State or a BYU...Heck the Cougars played and built their way into a BIG12 member and they are located in FREAKIN' UTAH!!!😵.....Shame! San Diego!... SHAME!😤💀

[@charlielucey3333]

@@brettrobinson2901 San Diego State is a better brand and market than Oregon State, Washington state or Boise state, which is why they’ll probably be added to P4 conference before any of those three schools will be. Oregon State and Washington state or just lucky decade to go to get into the PAC 10 conference when it wasn’t all about media dollars. San Diego State is located in a top 30 medium market and has over 500,000 living alumni, which directly relates Potential media, watchers, and alumni financial support. The other three schools don’t even have 500,000 living alumni altogether. And it’s far as when San Diego State did something dominate in sports, it was just two seasons ago at San Diego State was in the national championship basketball game. When has any of those three schools ever done anything to compare to that? Never.

[@brettrobinson2901]

@@charlielucey3333 You've convinced me...I retract my conclusion... However ..after decades of being part of a major conference I still hope the two Pac12 left behinds find a suitable home...not a fan necessarily of either school but hate to see those two completely shutout as I think rebuilding the PAC conference to major conference status on its own very problematic... I still think since its trending in this direction that the BIG12 should merge with the ACC ( those who will come) the PAC 2 and the best of the rest into the first SUPER CONFERENCE... hopefully instead of being diluted it would have more bargaining power for TV rights...I can see the attraction of San Diego State especially in light of the lack of pro teams currently... Well excepting the Padres...

[@MichaelPressler970]

All these schools are trash, have to add Eastern schools to break into the early markets and keep the late markets

[@thomasmceldowney4783]

24 big ten 24 sec and 24 big twelve Big ten Big Ten: East Coast - Rutgers - Maryland - Virginia - North Carolina - Georgia Tech - Florida State Big Ten: Great Lakes - Penn State - Ohio State - Michigan - Michigan State - Indiana - Purdue Big Ten: Riverlands - Minnesota - Wisconsin - NorthWestern - Illinois - Iowa - Nebraska Big Ten: West Coast - Washington - Oregon - Stanford - Utah - USC - UCLA SEC: ATLANTIC - West Virginia - Virginia Tech - NC State - Clemson - South Carolina - Miami SEC: East Gulf - Florida - Georgia - Alabama - Auburn - Tennessee - Kentucky SEC: Delta - Ole Miss - Miss State - LSU - Vanderbilt - Arkansas - Missouri SEC: Southwest - Texas - Texas A&M - Oklahoma - Oklahoma State - Baylor - Texas Tech Big 12 Boston College Syracuse Pitt Louisville Cincinnati UConn Duke Wake Forest UCF USF Memphis Tulane Houston TCU SMU Kansas Kansas State Iowa State Colorado BYU Arizona Arizona State Cal San Diego State Next 16 FRESNO STATE BOISE STATE EAST CAROLINA UAB APP STATE COASTAL CAROLINA UTSA TEMPLE MARSHALL OHIO TOLEDO AIR FORCE NAVY ARMY OREGON STATE WASHINGTON STATE

[@Dqzmngf7530]

👆🏻💯

[@tarheel7406]

@@Dqzmngf7530 No purpose for an even larger and wider Tier 2 BIG12.

[@Drumwolf62]

Miami who? Oh you mean that team that sucks in baskeball and had a little football dynasty decades ago. That Miami. LOL!!!

[@tarheel7406]

To be fair, MIAMI did recently make the Final Four. 1 of 6 different ACC teams to do so over the past 10 years. For context, the BIG12 put 4 different teams in and that includes OK.