BIG Changes for 2XKO!

[@Flokker]

Big changes: the release date has been pushed back internally for another two decades. By that point the name will be 4XKO.

[@13Hyrule]

"To appeal more to previous LoL fans, we've decided to change the game to a 5v5 game, and renamed it to 5XKO."

[@JaydenLyleHylton]

@@13Hyrule "Some additional changes were made during your 5v5 one player on each team can choose to farm jungle camps instead of participating"

[@13Hyrule]

@@JaydenLyleHylton So basically Evolve as a fighting game.

[@mjbakermd414]

​@@JaydenLyleHylton "Some additional changes: As the game grows, to accommodate 10 players. 5xko will now be a top down base taking game, with fights taking place in 3 lanes and the jungle."

[@Granhier]

7:28 Ahri with the Morrigan color scheme... there are no coincidences lol

[@aveshlutchman8573]

Nah, they're very blatant with the references. Yasuo has an Akuma skin, Ekko's ult is called Attempt #37, Yasuo's ult is called Rising Thunder. I'm sure there's more that I'm either missing or they're planning to put in.

[@Pyrozoid]

there is no such thing as a coincidence

[@Splerpsy]

Im getting vs2 trauma flashbacks 🤣

[@brendoncahill7096]

@@aveshlutchman8573 there better be a "fuck the knicks" blitzcrank

[@AirahsELL]

@@brendoncahill7096 mango blitz

[@themaynetitan]

Biggest change I wanna see in 2XKO is the name

[@tyrone6]

Yea honestly project L had so much more of an oomf to it

[@jaden8563]

Conference of contenders

[@just_2swift]

Clash of Legends 😮😮😮😮

[@Deadwolf27]

Project L is the best option I feel but you could also just do League of Legends the Fighters or Fighting. 2XKO suuuuuucks

[@just_2swift]

@@Deadwolf27 Clash of Legends: The League of Champions

[@Jr-Reed]

I'm just realizing. Where TF is Jinx?? She was there in the beginning. I wonder if she'll be the Evo "reveal" character

[@zam50]

No way, Im thinking it's someone brand new. Ima be confused if not

[@Gamersgoinblind]

We know that at least Jinx and Katarina are known to be in the game but they just haven't been shown. It makes me wonder just how big the roster is going to be

[@mas8705]

She has to be the next reveal. With Arcane Season 2 around the corner and you want people hyped to watch it, why not show a teaser there and then stack that with Jinx in 2xKO? EVO would seemingly be free advertising.

[@imStorm3r]

@@mas8705 or a 2nd test period with jinx and vi to celebrate the 2nd season of arcane

[@ΚρανίΩ]

@@Gamersgoinblindkatarina not really cause it was before the game became a 2v2 and the art style changed a while lot. jinx is pretty much confirmed, sett is a good bet and lee sin too kinda i hope and probably a new character

[@lykosvon9142]

Dude that’s such a pretty UI holy shit

[@KaminariHouse]

Never mind the animations, damn son.

[@prrithwirajbarman8389]

Definitely worth the waiting.

[@BLAZEtsg]

Just imagine a new mvc game with this graphic style, and the character model based on mvc2 art style… man that’s the dream

[@NK-vd8xi]

MvC1 definitely had a better art style overall but if you mean the MvC2 portraits then yeah they're also amazing

[@dantepatel]

My biggest problem with MvC2 sprites was the proportions- some sprites were wayyy bigger than others, even though both characters are supposed to be human. Looks janky.

[@chrispeart1394]

​@dantepatel yeah cuz the sprites all came from diff games

[@BrowneVisuals]

I'd prefer a new MVC to have the ArcSys DBFZ aesthetic with a throwback to the alpha-esque anime style the SF characters had. Perfection

[@shadowsdmg]

it always sucks hearing the discourse around leverless just cause it seems im the only person who got into them because i tried one at a tourny and it was MAD comfortable. maybe cause i played on keyboard for so long but on arcade stick i needed breaks every 2hours or so cause of my wrist but on leverless i can play for 6+ hours no problem.

[@yoshitsune5691]

Have u seen any tournament??? Like it’s rare to see someone with an stick now, most players are ether on pad or leverless nowadays. I’m surprised there’s still discourse around leverless

[@ZephyrK.]

What discourse? From what I’ve seen it’s the most popular controller in the community right now.

[@sladevalen]

As someone who grew up with controllers I could never see myself using leverless because I hate keyboards. That being said if you aren't using some crazy macros I could care less what you want to use it's all fair game

[@sabin1997]

For everyone asking the controllers they are using look like custom Razer Kitsune

[@fraker12]

This collab is actually clever especially with how Ahri is the current 2XKO poster girl.

[@salvadorvega3805]

Specifically just a custom skin for it, similar to the SF6 razer kitsune ones

[@IVeNoMII]

Never used a Razer fightstick but I have used many mice back in the days and those things fucking suck, they last like a couple months and then fall apart. The internals must be made from cardboard.

[@TheIcarusFalls]

@@IVeNoMII That's probably because Razer is one of those "all over the market" kind of companies. Like they're cheaper stuff is good for what you're paying, but you can have issues with them breaking down after X months. But their pricey stuff like the Kitsune seem to be very well built with great quality parts from everything I've heard. Could be cope though, so a grain of salt as always lol

[@salvadorvega3805]

@@IVeNoMII yup yup, and they stain very easily on the outside. It's why I decided to build my own

[@evilded2]

18:59 idk man leverless is just more comfortable, less maintenance, and comes more naturally to people with experience on pc.

[@copilots3159]

Not to mention it's basically the same thing as a d-pad on a controller, I'm shocked most people still play with levers.

[@PistenDeer]

Levers are so overrated.

[@punkypony5165]

This. Levers are so fucking lame. I tried playing fighting games for so long with levers and dpads and I hated it. I only started to enjoy it when I was using keyboards and leverless just made it even better.

[@ZephyrK.]

Not just experience on PC but piano keys too.

[@KaminariHouse]

@@copilots3159 Ig the desire for the classic arcade experience is stronger than comfort.

[@asdfasdfasf8]

as a league player I can confirm outside a few multiplayer games. League has already poisoned our minds so when not playing league we typically want to chill and play a single player game

[@yoshitsune5691]

Phidx used to be a league player before he moved over to tekken 7, I feel league players would actually prefer fighting games since u don’t have to rely on team mates.

[@deadhelix]

@@yoshitsune5691ik she isn’t like prominently playing it but lilypichu ik played a lot of league and she got hooked to tekken 8 which was such a shock but I think league builds up the grindset in people

[@asdfasdfasf8]

@@yoshitsune5691 i get that, like if i stop playing league for a while i would pick up a fighting game, last one i did was dbzf but if currently playing league is diff story

[@raekwonchambers2297]

@@yoshitsune5691I was a hardcore league player then started playing on and off and I really enjoy playing fighting games cuz it’s almost the same concept as league or any moba where you pick a character n you beat the other person or team ass and for me I pick characters that are cool to me regardless of difficulty and if they’re good or not.

[@Johnnymeloveo]

So league player are finally starting to become normal people... it took a while

[@arjanzweers6542]

What I'm most curious about is if this game is going to have good offline content, or if it is just going to be an arcade fighting game where all the focus is on the online. While both the FGC and LOL are very competitive online, if you want your fighting game to succeed with the casual audience, you will need a healthy amount of single player content.

[@damianrodriguez1110]

Not even talking about lol but just riot games make only pvp base games the only thing I can think of is their card game having a dungeon crawl. So they will probably just do arcade but you never know maybe a story mode

[@damianrodriguez1110]

I think the lack of motion inputs will bring people over and then stay but for sure not to the level that a offline content would

[@TheCarnivaI]

The game will focus 99% on online play. It is a free to play game and people like buying skins in online games

[@genieinthepot2455]

In the present environment this is definitely not true. Most of the most popular games are online and basically online only.

[@SharpsPanda]

I love Sajam. He's my favorite person to learn FG's from.

[@yusux]

So you’re a Sajam fan now?

[@Xendrick]

WILL IT KILL CHAT WILL IT KILL

[@twistedgambit9084]

Him and Roofle.

[@prrithwirajbarman8389]

Shazam ⚡

[@littlekale]

For some perspective on leverless from someone who picked up fighting games within the past decade, I was always a PC gamer, and for the first few years of playing fighting games, I used controller and eventually tried a stick and really preferred it for things like full circle motions, but just couldn't get my movement to be as precise as controller even after months of practicing (probably because I had even less muscle memory using a stick compared to a simple D-pad on a controller I used my whole life). Eventually I didn't have a controller around one weekend so I tried out keyboard and realized I was able to immediately hit combos I was struggling with and my movement was even cleaner than on controller. I think this is partially because leverless/keyboard layout is objectively better, but on the other hand it was already what I was most comfortable playing on. All to say I think a large population of people that have picked up fighting games in the last decade have come from games like League/Dota, counter strike, and other PC esports that were looking to try a new competitive game, and for those people the leverless layout translates the most muscle memory from other games they have played. I don't think the biggest reason we have seen the surge is because its stronger than other inputs.

[@dropkickpherby6994]

I too would like one of those convenient fight sticks

[@viciouspink6247]

That's the razer kitsune. They just use a custom sticker, which you can do yourself, razer provides the templates as well.

[@HealyHQ]

@@viciouspink6247 Konata! :3

[@servancastillo986]

If anything I see Max saying he wants to take inspiration for his mod, and I think for me, its that it has too any rim lights, just keep it to a top down 3/4 lightsource, its always appealing, even in animation that's why us artists do it all the time it, also the easiest to track in traditional animation, which we all are familiar with. But the mod has this blue rim, which isnt bad, its just too busy.

[@Xirbtt]

19:20 nah, I got leverless because it hurts my hands less from all other controller options.

[@someaccount5200]

Same

[@leandrodarocha7350]

7:17 they gave Ahri colors referencing Baiken and B Jenet, cool

[@aveshlutchman8573]

Didn't catch that. The Baiken one may be a stretch, but I can see the B Jenet. I feel like they're putting too many references in Ahri lol. They can save some references for other female characters.

[@tj_puma]

10:55 When you have every clue on how fighting games work, AND every clue on how league works..... 🔥 Im hype

[@markusa5293]

You're literally describing Sajam (and PhiDX).

[@TheFirstMateJake]

4 Months ago, 2XKO did a year in preview video and said they will be releasing in 2025 - so unless that's changed, we should get it soon!

[@User-pu3lc]

I get the devs want people to play together on the same team in this game… but there is no way that is going to be the main way people play. Between character synergy, skill gaps, fuse choice, tag timing etc. There are too many opportunities to troll your teammate to make duo a more enjoyable way to play than solo.

[@reklom2334]

exactly, I keep saying that there's this disconnect how the devs want the public to play (duo) vs how most scenes are actually gonna play the game (single). and that disconnect is gonna hurt the health of the game more. Every time I bring it up, most people immediately dismiss me. I wish Max would share his thoughts on it

[@straivalist8281]

Yep also in general you play the game to PLAY THE GAME. Imagine sitting around for a bit watching your teammate do all the work, it’s hella boring and as you said the chances of trolling happening is almost every other game

[@PistenDeer]

Didn't MK9 do the same thing and that seemed to work just fine?

[@reklom2334]

@@PistenDeer mk9's main mode was duo play? Or was it just a mode that existed in the game? (Genuinely asking bc I didn't play mk9)

[@PistenDeer]

@@reklom2334 If I remember correctly, it was a separate mode, tag team battles or something like that. I recall it being very well received at the time. Main way was just basic 1v1.

[@defianthound407]

No if you want a Parry from dark souls it's BBtag who thought to put Pushblock and DP on the same button. An when your punished for DPing you can't burst out an your most likely getting put into a guess for character situation

[@BrassMountainLion]

Most studios would definitely want to work around the release of Two Kisses: Thousand Hugs. All these new big profile fighters might be working against a KI2 since budget titles benefit from a lull.

[@joaopescusa]

"Most League players play FGs". HELL NO. Fuck no, look at the league player base and look at FGC player base. There's no way most league players play FGs.

[@sladevalen]

My entire friend group played both. So we do exist

[@Yemmer]

Tbh the way auto combos made you to use supers in KOF 15 is a huge part of why I never got into it, I felt like my ability to actually control the character was being ripped out of my hands, and as someone who isn’t very good at links it made the game feel awful for me.

[@gamerbear84]

It is not perfect for sure, I agree that kind of lack of control wouldn't be the mode for me either, but beginners just not getting access to their super bar ain't great either.

[@Warzol]

yeah i gotta agree with max here. i don't know where the chat person got that idea from, league players going into fighting games or do play fighting games it's cause they had interest in fighting games before league or starting to go into fighting games after the whole Tekken 8 deal cause there was some peeps that did play league and went to try out tekken 8 during a twitch tournament thing. But yeah league players only play league.

[@gamerbear84]

Can't really think of a genre where the actual majority of players would be into another specific one. Racing games and GTA, maybe? I don't think even that, despite the synergy.

[@straivalist8281]

Yeah they should have 100% made it standalone. Valorant is it’s own thing and the player base is mainly COMPLETELY split from those two but it worked out quite well. They could have done the same for this. I’m guessing their reasoning was cause they don’t have recognisable characters like stuff like sf, tekken, mk where they bring in past characters that gets people hyped..but..nobody is going get hyped when league characters show up in this game cause as you said, league players play only league

[@raekwonchambers2297]

There’s actually 2 kind of league players n I been both but there’s the players that exclusively only play league then there’s the players that played enough where they play it on n off n it’s usually fighting games or mmos since the best thing about league is the lore, story and the unique characters and personalities and role they fit in the story along with how they fight in the game and how different they are from each other. Only fighting games n mmos really fill that niche well. Other than the big single player releases but league players like pvp so fighting games is the natural thing we’re drawn too. After I took a breaks from league I got into gg and sf6 the characters and combat just feels right ain’t gotta worrying bout getting yanked unless it’s a team game 💀

[@demiliomason1565]

​@@raekwonchambers2297I kinda disagree. Best thing about league that keeps players invested is the main gameplay loop and the emphasis on the micro gameplay in a MOBA. As well as the cast of characters. League's "story" or "lore" is dogwater on the ground.

[@raekwonchambers2297]

@@demiliomason1565 yea but that gameplay loop goes hand to hand with the characters, lore, personality everything. The gameplay loop plus the characters themselves is what makes league “league”

[@zoranSoul]

I am of max's opinion . ive played league for over 7 years now, peaked diamond 1, and was top 10 maya in the world, got to face max and rico suave a couple of times in the KI ladder. did something similar on guilty gear but I always go back to league and stop whatever other games I played.

[@B3stpwnage]

A note on leverless v. Stick: I'm an extremely casual fighting game player that recently started playing. I don't have a game pad in any form, but if I were to buy one, it would be leverless. It just makes sense for me since it mimics keyboard (my current input method) the best. And I think that could definitely be a contributing factor to the rising popularity of leverless.

[@neongreenyogurt]

I've been playing League for 12 years, but I am a big time variety gamer. Of all the League players I've met and befriended over the years (which is in the hundreds), I only knew a few that were League only gamers. And by a few, I mean like I could count them on one hand. From my anecdotal experience, League players are variety gamers. Maybe not as much as I am, but as a whole they seem to be. It would be easier for me to give the genres I don't play than it would be to name the genres I do.

[@soliduswasright678]

I'm glad this is super far away because I don't want this launching at the same time as COTW.

[@fonzylopez5806]

oh god. I genuinely thought this was talking about a sega arcade board or some shit. I managed to forget they called the game that.

[@calvinasuncion4287]

11:35 couldn't be more accurate. in my friend group i am the only one who doesn't consistently play league if at all, but all my friends do is play league some days and im just there in discord playing tekken. im excited for 2xko to introduce fighting games to a wider audience.

[@raekwonchambers2297]

Yea it’s like you either play league all the time or you’ve played enough to where you play on and off now and play other games like fighting games and mmos since they both fill the role of what makes league great which is the unique characters and the lore and story and the combat and unique abilities and role they provide. Then you have the big single player game releases

[@krispytreee]

dbfz autocombos just need to not continue on whiff, you shouldnt be able to whiff 5LLL i neutral when the third hit of a lot of characters is head invul and anti airs. my 2cent as a dbfz player

[@krispytreee]

also as aleague players, there is a biggeroverlap than you think max. i run into a lot of people randomly that i can talk to about FGs in league chat

[@TheJackOfFools]

I just want it to be a well-made game. Not just a fun game to play. I shouldn't have to say that, but in this year 2024 there is still a problem with Fighting Games struggling to implement (or even acknowledge) features that should be solved issues, to the point that I struggle to enjoy a game if it cant get its act together on QOL stuff.

[@OYuanO]

Unless this estimate is not a reliable source I just looked it up: 2XKO is set to launch in 2025 on PC, Xbox Series X|S, and PlayStation 5. The 2025 release date was confirmed on Riot Game’s blog by 2KXO’s senior director. We estimate that the 2XKO release date could land before the summer of 2025.

[@JanManRow]

19:33 it's more like manual steering vs power steering

[@Millicente]

Those pads are 100% razer kitsunes. How do I know? I have one and it looks exactly like it LOL

[@severedproxy]

They look awesome, but now that I know they're razer, I know I won't be getting them anytime soon. (I'm expecting it to be way out of my budget)

[@beng6149]

@@severedproxy$300 😢 must be really nice though. Since most custom controllers are like $100 or less.

[@ballerbf]

I’ll qualify for AARP before this game comes out😂

[@Korosivv]

Fun fact: you only have to be 18

[@werewolfareawsome1189]

See on the leverless comment. My friends learned guilty gear on PC with keyboard. Simply because they had no controller, so for them leverless is what is comfortable for them from the start. I do think if your switching for the sake of faster inputs sure but with this coming out on PC even more players are gonna learn with keyboard first

[@sloesty]

How is leverless more responsive than cherry keys? I think keyboards are also rly good but there are too many buttons.

[@TheSpot000]

Jinx might be the reveled character at EVO.

[@twelvevoltage]

Teemo

[@TheSpot000]

@@twelvevoltage Fiddlesticks

[@x0x0niks]

i am betting both jinx and vi

[@BlueRuki]

@@TheSpot000 I had no business giggling at this, and yet here I am

[@imanerdcort1773]

Were are probably getting a trailer with both Vi and Jinx for Arcane…..possibly Caitlyn

[@zip3704]

on their website it says "we’ll have time to cook before the game launches in 2025."

[@BlueRuki]

But the biggest change they didn't make? Keeping that name. No, I'll never let go.

[@LG555]

This and the Ahri Skin situation are the most unanimous i have ever seen the League community.

[@zackrose6261]

@@LG555 Sorry to tell you, this but the ahri skin situation was overblown by reddit it already sold a shit ton. And faker did use the skin while playing arena.

[@RiotingSoul]

Project L Jesse McCree Burma

[@ganymede4030]

Here's what I think: If people didn't have influencers telling them they thought the name was bad then I feel like nobody would even be talking about it lol but as soon as the content creator starts saying it the people start parroting. :)

[@BlueRuki]

@@ganymede4030 or, 2XKO is just a subjectively bad name.

[@megatron1384]

Actually as a former league player, and still a Heroes player, most people I play with play fighting games as well. Sure it’s a small sample size, but I know others that would say the same thing. Potentially still anecdotal evidence but…

[@KlementtM]

"BIG Changes" Is it the goddamn name???

[@philliydoggwebber7881]

As a league player I can say a lot of us do in fact play fighting games it’s a weird overlap

[@raekwonchambers2297]

As a league player I can confirm that league got me interested into fighting games. Mobas are pretty close to fighting games in a sense where you pick a main or a couple learn about their lore n story then the combos n teamwork u can do too

[@brayenmorrison3199]

2 X K O. Big Changes as in they're finally chamging the name back to Project L???

[@decksteroussnail]

shut up

[@kniveskunn]

Getting kind of old ngl

[@treytison1444]

They're both awful names.

[@androidps1440]

League of Legends: Double Knockout could be the perfect name

[@just_2swift]

Clash of Legends

[@hxctalent]

i hate those sticks... where can i get them

[@Conner21dumb]

im pretty sure the controller is a razer kitsune

[@TavoGoHard]

I'm pretty sure they are Razer Kitsunes.

[@JaySpoonn]

Max doesn't play league, and isn't in discord with league players to know we don't only play league. There's a reason I'm subscribed to this channel buddy. You'd be surprised on how many ppl who play league also play fighters.

[@Clarkwater]

I thought they said the full release was somewhere around the middle of 2025

[@jpzeiro]

0:00 this intro makes me happy and hyped... so good =)

[@alextygesen3101]

The characters are so incredibly defined in their appearances. Even if it flops, it for sure gets points for being gorgeous to look at.

[@Alonsuke]

11:27. I Agree with Max, I've always played fighting games and now I play league too. I play both basically as much so I think I'm not just "A league/a fighting games player" but I guess it also has to do that when I started gaming league didn't existed yet lol.

[@pampamtamtam4001]

Really neat to see where they prioritize certain points of development timeline wise. There's way more polish on the visuals than I would expect to see as of now. I'm guessing they are getting the bones in, and then they'll spend the remainder on adding content. Game dev is fascinating!

[@Jack-ov4mb]

Leverless revolution was a god sent as I played with keyboard before. Plus my leverless cost like 30 bucks which is almost what a just a Sanwa stick part alone costs.

[@henryaudubon]

The game is looking good! Can't wait to hear the final name.

[@djdtor]

I love League and I love fighting games I’m so happy this is being made

[@zarekodynski9077]

I gotta say, maybe I am crazy for this take lol, but I really do not like auto combo systems in fighting games, especially when they are single button mash ones. I have always loved fighting games, but honestly have never been very good at them. I love trying to figure out combos and seeing creative combos get made/found, but I am just not good at the core concepts of like footsie and defense or cross-ups. But just mashing one button to do a combo is just so boring. I do not know how anyone would have fun doing that. I do agree that in games like SF, combos are hard because you just have a bunch of buttons in isolation that do not auto-string into another and you have to understand the frame data and hit-stun that allows you to create your own strings. But I think the better way to increase access to fighting games is with things like Injustice combos where the game does the combo for you if you just press A-B-X-B-A or whatever it is. Auto combos where you just press a button are just no fun. I loved the remade Killer Instinct and I ended up using its auto combo and it just made me worse at the game and made me eventually get bored because I just mashed a couple buttons. A caveat is that I was able to focus on the basics of fighting games when all I had to do was mash a button to combo, and I get that I could then figure out my own combos once I locked in my understanding of basics, but I think that's why Killer Instinct ended up dying out for the masses. People just don't like mashing a button to combo because "they aren't good at fighting games so hold their hand and play the game for them" I have more faith in people than that...

[@Anayoth]

Oh no some people just want the game to play itself for them. I played SC 3 for a few matches and fucking quit because I’m not about to learn those confusing ass prompts. Same goes with other fighting games honestly. You can’t make me learn what a fucking star is in Tekken.

[@Saielb]

I hope there is more effect when strikes hit, whether visually or audibly. Excited to give it a try.

[@NerdBaconReviews]

I'll never understand from a marketing perspective, why they didn't use "League of Legends" ANYWHERE in the title..

[@shun0011]

I'm concerned about the roster size this game is going to launch with. Event after event they show the same small character pool. With a team game you need a varied roster so people don't get tired of playing against the same characters over and over. I'm worried this game is going to launch with like 8 characters and its going to be super rough.

[@SuperSchnitzelHunter]

Isn't leverless just a keyboard with less keys that happen to be round?

[@FieryAnubis]

Good changes. Wish more devs were actively developing their fighting games alongside the community like this.

[@JustinGreene0224]

I need to look up which has gone longer for announcement to perpetual dev. 2XKO or Wo Kong.

[@williehawkinsii4845]

Can someone explain to me why Jinx is missing from the character select screen?

[@Furiac.]

I like the idea of no motions for a simple bridge to the fgc for people wanting to learn who dont yet have the skill for inputs

[@1InVader1]

For the leverless argument: you would want to play a fighting game with a low profile keyboard for the same reason you would want to play a first person shooter with mouse aim. Hit/mix box is just a gimped keyboard that costs 3x more for 10x less keys.

[@rolandbegaye]

What’s crazy is that this is going to be a game that is going to have continuous updates and new champions every 6 -8 months for the next several years.

[@grantm.5975]

18:59 As someone who got into fighting games fairly recently, its definitely the most intuitive controller for me. A huge part of my gaming background is in computer games, and keyboard and leverless controllers are essentially the same input styles. Also, Gen Z is so far removed from the arcade era that there really isn't a lot of reverence for arcade cabinets or sticks in our circles. I did actually try to use a stick very early on, but never really appreciated it. It felt clunky and a little too difficult to use when I tried it. Additionally, Leverless controllers don't actually provide a measurable competitive advantage for anyone until they truly master the controller, so newer players looking to "cheat" their way to victory are usually turned off by the learning curve and seemingly little advantage it provides. Absolutely no disrespect to stick players by the way. I love the customization and the classic feel of the controller, and I think its a very important part of the FGC's history, but don't be surprised if you start seeing more and more leverless controllers at your local, especially from young people.

[@marchaoz9649]

I got the same exp as you. I hate how fgc vets keep acting like leverless is cheating when there are literally champions of major tourneys recently that are playing on stick/pad which makes me think thay these guys just hate it cause it's new.

[@gamerbear84]

Some of my defining fighting game experiences were on PC back before USB controllers were a thing, so basically easily accessible options for the keyboard weren't yet available. My friend and I would huddle around the keyboard, our keys set on either end of it. lol This would've been THE thing for me to transition to back then. Kinda curious to try one if I get a chance.

[@straivalist8281]

Yep people who want arcade sticks is primarily for nostalgia purposes and ig just the feel of it, most players these days (not all) prefer using keyboard as their main input and find stuff like arcade sticks clunky and uncomfortable to use, why try to learn an uncomfortable controller when you could just use a simple keyboard that you use for every other game or just use a basic controller for pc. No need to dish out crazy crash for an arcade stick

[@beng6149]

@@straivalist8281keyboard??? Tf 🤢

[@sladevalen]

I hate keyboards (main reason I stopped playing league) so I will never like leverless controllers. I'll just stick with normal controllers

[@Bodyburger]

I'm getting "restricted area - keep out" vibes from the UI which communicates to me "it's not ready" or more of a Street Fighter feel. I'm used to seeing more fantasy themed visuals from Riot. Not saying this is somehow wrong of them, just my first observation and thoughts. The style definitely surprised me.

[@MKF30]

Cool vid. Cant wait to see his reaction to Takeda teaser!

[@remmaint]

“I snuck in here” “I’ve been invited”

[@KingM119]

You think they might add sett to the roster, league players?

[@Pendy13131]

I'm not super interested in the game but the devs seem really sincere and switched on.

[@ThreeFacedLiar]

I'm a league player and I really wait for this game. Hyped by Tekken 8 recently even tho I'll never play it (expensive and pc issues) but oh god. I really want to try to get into fighting games.

[@Conner21dumb]

the leverless controller is a razer kitsune

[@ARDIZsq]

As someone with very little knowledge of LoL outside of Arcane and snippets from around the internet, my biggest hope for this game is that if there are any paid cosmetics, they stay under $10-15 and don't get up to... oh, let's say $500 or something, because that would just be ridiculous, right?

[@GammaRays10]

Pro league players play fighting games, mainly because they're just good at competitive gaming. Other than that, league players are variety and not FGC

[@wynnjones2435]

Well I get what Max is saying about Auto combos I disagree in the sense that I have really liked what Arcs systems has done with them in their games locking options and entire moves behind them making them useful I just don't really care for a bad moves and I really like that they keep even their simple Auto combos things that you still use but maybe apply them in different spots like in dragon Ball fighterz or BB tag heck even persona

[@symondealmeida9454]

i am a FG player, and I started to play league in 2011, and I am a FG player since the 90s, I agree that League players don't play FG is the other way around

[@gbuzzwell]

As for the handholding, I feel like they don’t handhold you in league. But that’s just as a person who only played league once 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Xenoxion]

I'm glad they changed Ahri's ammo system. Team games are chaotic enough for also have to manage your ammo that you actively have to find time to reload.

[@Illustria]

I like how this game was announced with gameplay footage of Jinx yet she's been no where to be found for years now lmfao. Hoping people forget about her for an interesting reveal I guess?

[@bakester86]

Knowing how good league is with art and animations I knew it would be amazing. Just hope the gameplay is smooth

[@MrBubblebox]

you can play more then one game at a time max. there are a ton of people who play fighting games competitively and league

[@allercon]

I recall seeing concept art in 2012 and gameplay of that red haired assassin (forgot her name), but she hasn’t been since.

[@aveshlutchman8573]

? That's not 2012, that's 2019. I think you forgot your meds lmao.

[@allercon]

@@aveshlutchman8573 nope. The gameplay was 2019 screenshot way before that. Try being a bit more mature next time and refrain from insults. Be better

[@aveshlutchman8573]

@allercon damn, you must be real schizo if you're arguing something easily probable. FYI, there was 0 news or even visuals about the game until 2019, that year being Riot's 10 year anniversary. Riot only bought Radiant in 2016 so yeah, like I said, get your meds. You talk like someone that frequents Twitter. "Be better" lmao.

[@ACE112ACE112]

katarina

[@BannedStories101]

I've been playing League for 10 years, but I also grew up on Soul Calibur 2 & I love Skullgirls. Does that make me a League player who plays Fighting Games, or a Fighting Games player who plays League?

[@Isoshi-47]

26:32 They might give us one or two characters reveals at EVO. Other than that i don't think so

[@Hinokami777]

Honesty wish they added full on 3v3. Or maybe make it a mode or a ruse to add a third character but all character health decrease to balance it out.

[@Afropower-gb9jp]

I'm a big fan of every fighting having modern controls and still having everything a hard-core fighting game player would like. modern is just there for people to learn and for causals to just press buttons and watch there Character do cool stuff it brings in so many people to try and play the game casually keeping the game alive for a long time like street fighter 6

[@straivalist8281]

Yep there is no real downside. You can get good with both. I prefer classic cause it just feels cooler and more satisfying to hit stuff but I have no issues in pressing more buttons compared to others as long as modern players have a slight disadvantage with their damage or health

[@jacobtrost5048]

I have zero experience with fighting games so I don't know any of the terminology, but I just like watching these videos and letting Max's voice and the flashing colors wash over me.

[@Windsofambience]

i dunno i feel like league players and fighting game players have a huge overlap, one of the groups that makes guides for League references fighting game tactics like Footsies all the time. (Shout out to Skillcappeds 25 repeatable videos)

[@SteelThane]

About halfway through this I remembered Vanguard doesn't work on my PC because of a security issue I have to fuck around in my bios to fix and risk destroying my PC.. No 2xko for me I guess

[@TheFabulousRBK]

I use leverless because I can't do quick movements with a stick. IADs? Can't do it with a stick at all hcb>fwd is another

[@heromedley]

god i fuckin love the artstyle of this game. its what i imagine a modern MvC would look like

[@ItsAZues]

My friend said that the 4 player tag team is bad. And I kinda of agree, its gonna become another toxic Riot cesspool. But I feel like its gonna be the default.

[@jessieskinner3402]

Game looks great and I can't wait to see the full roster. It's name still sucks though.

[@ApeWizard]

goddamn Tom has aged like a president since those first announcement videos

[@TheRogueWolf]

I know it's hardly an indication of the game's quality as a whole, but yeah, that UI is damn sharp.

[@straivalist8281]

I feel like this game would be successful but for a niche fighting game player base. I doubt it’s going to damage other fighting game player numbers, it will probably have its own audience probably people interested in fighting games in general but never willing to dish out actual cash. The main issue with fighting games is always relevance. All fighting games have a lifespan and once it crosses a certain point, there are just too many characters and the same base mechanics that get boring after a while hence they move onto a different game. I don’t know how they are going to tackle this issue to be honest. I’m half interested in this game, only mainly interested in its popularity but I just hate tag fighters and prefer pure 1v1s

[@kanavi2]

24:37 I think Max forgot the fact that drive reversal con be done on wake up since quite some time ago

[@PixelMixels]

But it isn't a DP is what I believe he was emphasizing like drive reversals requires different things interacts differently similar but different type beat I wish I was good enough to describe it better