Big Female Role Chinese Dramas - Updates and Thoughts

[@irisboker6365]

Thank you. One thing i dont understand on female rols in cdrama is the fact that adult woman act like a yung girl her voice , look, the way she moves . And she can be a doctor but male lead actor will be allways smarter and stronger . And one more thing a di from the word emperor is from the qin dynasty and it refer to a god a well knwon one back at the qin

[@storm2644]

I'm really really sorry about the news I have just heard. Well watching your channel is always a pleasure, you always inform us about the facts about this industry which I have no idea about it, I really appreciate it, but the news are really upsetting. I have been waiting for them to be released very eagerly, and some of the dramas, even though they have been released they have not been subbed till nowsuch as Nothing Gold Can Stay or the legend of the dragon pearl.

[@Lollipopfulgirl]

they are subbed, not entirely but it's in the process Nothing Gold Can Stay kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5W5ZaiCjLStpsk Legend of Dragon Pearl kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHalhpWdma6jl6c

[@storm2644]

thank you for notifying me, actually I have watched the first 2 episode 3 months ago at that channel, and since then I have been checking the channel very persistently. there was no progress at all, they still did not subbed the episode 3 when I check it out last time but on your warning I have checked again and I realized they have skipped the 3rd episode but it appears 4th and 5th has subs(I did not watch fully only checked first 2 minutes of them). and another thing was that it seems there are two version of the same episode and the one which has more ratings has the subs, not the other one. Again thank you for notifying me, otherwise, I would not dare to check the same channel because I was discouraged due to my previous unsuccessful attempt to find subs for the 3rd episode.

[@Lollipopfulgirl]

ahh i see, no worries but it's good that we are starting to see some progress with fans subbing internationally for chinese related series

[@storm2644]

thanks for the support and also, guys, the link about the Legend of Dragon Pearl serie, I think the group has dropped the subbing, because 3 months ago I also attempted to start the serie and the channel offered sub until 5th Ep, and I again checked there was no progress at all. Fingers crossed, praying for it to be translated officially.

[@pineapplesawrus]

Very insightful and informative as ever, Avenuex. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us. On the period dramas, it is very obnoxious to have an 80-90 episodes series (looking at you, Empress Ki

[@madeleinelee5077]

I was really looking forward to empress in palace 2. I watched the first one & i loved it! Im on the fence about fan bing bing’s drama. She always does the big production dramas & im not sure if im always in to her dramas... Such a bumer that there’s a tight restriction on films & tv dramas. But i guess im willing to wait. Thank you so much for updating us as always!! 💕💕

[@headlyl]

I just watched the trailer for Win The World and it was terrific! Now I really want to watch the drama.

[@KoreAtreides]

I'm gutted about Ruyi's Royal Love, it was supposed to my drama highlight for this year.

[@madeleinelee5077]

At this point, if i had to pick which drama i would want watch right now it would have to be Empress in palace 2. I can wait on fan bing bing.

[@SuongUyen]

I've noticed that Chinese government have a lot of say in what can and can't be done in their dramas, honestly it's a bit much, so many restrictions! I agree with your take on the new period drama restrictions, although my hope is that it would reduce the amount of episodes in a drama. I tend to stick to series around 50 or less, sometimes I think that is too long as it is, to stretch it further would be way too much. I grew up watching TVB series where we used to get thirty episodes a drama, so as a young child I always thought the odd CDrama here and there were way too long. Now that I'm older I can appreciate the length and the way a story is told, but I still think there's too much we don't need to know. So maybe if they go shorted we can get some more creative story telling. And I'm a bit over female eccentric dramas. They're a bit overdone at this stage, all with the same elements and they always have the same actresses in the main role! Same faces over and over again.

[@momotwci3621]

yes it is too much but if they do not take action.in this industry people still will get worse,because all they see is money.if we do not ask for do not always show time travel on tv,they will not end.because time travel some kid think they can suicide so they can time travel fall in love with princess.actually even can not aired on tv still can aired on website,web drama is so popular

[@Jazillia007]

I was looking forward to Win the World and thought it looked different and interesting compared to other Chinese period dramas. I may see it from a non-Chinese point of view but I say some people need to chill. It's tv and it could reach people who are not reading a history book while watching every teaser and drama out there analyzing the accuracy. Yes, Win the World looks SO different but it could change tv land in China.

[@angelabby2379]

the black costume cover looks okay ( very similar to what qin shi huang might wore ), but the other costume though xD, i think the technique is wrong but the shape i guess not bad. true i also can't wait, im pretty bored with other period drama that all has the same plott, i can't

[@Penamesolen]

Ah, I was looking forward to Win the World, but I can understand that people get upset; although we do not have many shows taking place in Norwegian Viking times, it still is annoying to see wrong clothes, customs and ESPECIALLY the horned helmets. And we don't even know that much about the Viking Age and its culture compared to China, so it must be extra upsetting when they do it wrong when there is more information. I have been kind of wondering about the whole "He loves me, She hates me" thing going on in so many Chinese dramas, and I guess that was why some period dramas like The Virtuous Queen of Han kept me watching, because even if the second male lead's love for the empress was becoming tiring, I apprecaited that the other concubines respected her and that the ones that disliked her were manipulated or victim of misunderstandings. While I'm sure the real-life harem was filled with rivalries and violence, I appreciated a break where the women's relationship could be teensy bit more complicated than "the guy I crush on/was arranged to become concubine to likes you, thus I hate you with every fibre of my being!"

[@xzzkat]

Censorship rlly kills creativity smh china wyd

[@xihangyang]

Empress in Palaces II (Zhou Xun) the fight was between mongolian tribe in Xinjiang. today mongols have no problem with it since today mongols took part of this fight against these mongols tribe.

[@fluffycat1293]

Hello!!! I really like your analysis of all these dramas, would you maybe consider doing an analysis of older chinese dramas you would recommend??? For instance, 射雕英雄传 (1983) and 武则天 (1984). I really enjoyed the older dramas, but I cant find many recommendations on which to watch :(

[@vivianhong612]

Thanks for the clarification! Now I know why the Chinese dramas are so darn long!!!

[@briannguyen9028]

And so we continue to wait for 如懿传...

[@JoyanneThorne]

I am pretty bummed out about Ruyi and win the world as i''ve been searching for it online :)

[@Dragons_Armory]

China's productions should really take a hint from BBC's miniseries, sometimes a 3 episode "series" could have more of an impact than most of the bloated Wuxia or long series. Oh yeah, thank God Cheng Kaige built his new Tang city, If I have to see that eye sore of Qin Palace in Hengdian again (you know, that square courtyard, and that narrow wall alley) I'm going to gouge my eyeballs out.

[@adj5767]

Disagree completely. Love the lengthy episodes.

[@xoxovee08]

Is it true that The Pillow Talk will be made into a drama for 2019? Aside from Bai Qian and Ye Hua, Feng Jiu and Dong Hua love story was also favored by many fans. Would love to have elaborate a little bit more about them starring again for The Pillow Talk. Thanks much!

[@momotwci3621]

announced will played by dilireba and gao.

[@ventettaweis9044]

Regulations kill creativity but at least 3 big productions based on dramas I've seen recently are having really ridiculous and long fighting scenes that were really uninteresting, and done in 3Xs extra slow motion. I think they need to put a regulation on that. First it was General and I, followed by LOCH 2017, Princess Agents, and then The King's Woman. (You should do a collections of all those scenes, they are ridiculous!) No, they are not cool and no where near the word kick ass, I believe they are not going to get any better soon. I understand it when it comes to the fantasy magic power fighting type of thing, but not when they're supposed to be real life combats.

[@Barbarossa-heir]

Thank you. A very informative video 💕

[@headlyl]

Would you recommend "Empress In Palace," the first one? Have you done a review of this drama?

[@mickymoused57]

headlyl Empresses In the Palace was amazing!!!! Highly recommend it, however; don't watch the Netflix version as it is ridiculously shortened and there is much more story than what is shown!!!

[@rayhunt7179]

Definitely watch it!!!

[@baobaivue9913]

The legend of ruyi was so good i loved it, men aint shit thats it

[@calkestis5817]

I think ip dramas are killing the creativity. If you can’t find novels with an interesting female lead, why not write an original script? If they keep feeding off the novel fans they can only wait till some author writes something really popular and interesting, which I don’t think is the way to go.

[@girasolll2810]

agreed

[@momotwci3621]

because a lot of chinese in this industry just want money.very simple.

[@ventettaweis9044]

Exactly how I see it too. Even if there is a good story, it is always fat chance thy will find somebody who match how a character was written and described anyway. So of course they go with the idols with biggest names out there. But I prefer if you write something specifically to match the actors then that will be much better.

[@adj5767]

Disagree. The flow is a lot better if adapted from a novel, I find.

[@girasolll2810]

as a fan of the book The Legend of Fu Yao, felt so disappointed about those lead caracters.......

[@sandralow4246]

Enjoyed watching and learning from you in this video! Is the Chinese TV world operating this way due to them being “government” entity as opposed to Western world’s private enterprises? It just seems such a waste; no good producer would initiate a project without making sure somehow that the chances of showing are good?

[@CeceliaS69]

I spot two actresses I like or can tolerate the rest I am not excited about to watch their dramas since the past years they haven't been doing that well in many dramas. I'm still hoping Siege in Fog and Ruyi's Royal Love in The Palace will air. I'm also waiting for The Destiny of The White Snake (?) or whatever it was called. The voice actors and actresses seem pretty cool in that one. Not sure which other Chinese drama with good plots will come out this year but I'll find out later I guess. Hoping this year and next year we'll have even better dramas come out more than last year.

[@jenniquack]

I'm really interested in what your thoughts are on Yan Xi Gong Lue. Would it be considered a "big female lead drama"? I know the actors are not exactly A-listers, but the trailer showed some very very solid acting. It's touted as the "reverse" of Ruyi, and in my opinion the production is impressive and personally I like it's palette more than Ruyi (despite the posters for Ruyi being phenomenal).

[@AvenueX123]

I don’t watch yu Zheng period, he is an atrocity of Chinese drama land

[@jenniquack]

+AvenueX haha, fair enough 😄 This year surprisingly I'm finding myself morbidly curious about three of Yumama's series - Yanxi Palace story, Zhao Ge and Untouchable Lovers (and in that order). My fingers are crossed for Yanxi to be good just because I'm a Charmaine fan.

[@chuxiong6886]

I think I see the point of the 100 episodes policy. I think it's a great idea, but there needs to be regulation on productions. Maybe if each series have less than 30 episodes, there will be more on TV. I feel like series are getting longer but storylines are loosing in quality because there is so much focus on little details that do not have contribution to the storyline whatsoever. I've seen dubbed versions of my favorite series that are cut down to 10 episodes and I still love them: if not, even more. They need to work on regulating this policy and not let major productions Monopoly over networks.

[@1blisseth]

I have no problem with this kind of drama, but problem with the long episode drama. Too many episode but many scenes for nothing, it's some kind of boring.

[@moonlightpaw5868]

I was waiting for win the world😭😭😭😭💔 I love empire and tribes. I want season 2

[@angelabby2379]

same thats like the newest story line

[@bubbly929292]

I absolutely looove big female lead dramas ☺😍😍😍🤩🥰

[@TheAssez]

*THANK YOU!* 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@maisong4364]

Yeah.... the flashbacks in tribes and empires killllllled me. I was like wth... does the person putting the scenes together not know how to properly do flashbacks?? Goodness... I switched to a Korean drama in between episodes just to kill time and I was so refreshed by the ability of that drama to properly do flashbacks lol! It’s too bad that period dramas are gonna be forced to drag on for the sake of competition. That’s really annoying and frankly... stupid. Watching any drama already consumes so much time, then to extend it with pointless material??? That just makes me angry lol. China’s government is doing too damn much in my opinion. 😑

[@1blisseth]

It's could be a nice drama, but it's like child play drama because of how the producer or editor did. I always skip the boring scenes. 75 eps is crazy with the ending. I watch A Korean Odyssey (korean Drama) it is refreshing. If you don't watch it yet, you can try.

[@karingan3]

I have a question about the drama, Win the World. If dramas are not approved to air in China, can they sell dramas like this one overseas to reduce the loss?

[@momotwci3621]

can aired on website.web drama.

[@AvenueX123]

International sale wouldn’t cover the investment for sure

[@realmofthesenses]

Zhang ZhiYi´s Rebel Princess

[@嘿嘿-r8r]

如懿传不是因为是宫斗戏还有集数太多才被延迟的吗？

[@IncredibleLyrics]

is The Story of Ming Lan not a female lead drama.

[@pang3720]

I can't wait for all the drama but sad that some drama have to be delay. :

[@Lollipopfulgirl]

I really think that 30 episodes is an average number dramas nowadays should be close to.The beginning could be very interesting or boring but once you reach the mid-way point of the series it starts to go downhill due to unnecessary complications such as misunderstandings. This is where I tend to skip when I'm not meant to and then the ending becomes rushed. If they can drag a whole misunderstanding from mid-way of a drama why would they suddenly rush the ending? Over a decade ago most historical/ancient/period dramas usually revolve around females outside of the palace and ventures around with fair screen time as the male leads. I think there should be a more diverse plot line and settings. No offence but even if it's an outside setting, they change it into fantasy and if it's based on an inside setting then it goes back to the palace. Many of the IP female leads used to be much better actresses as a supporting character back in the old days in comparison to now. I find web dramas much better as the episode count are lower and it's often 36 mins per ep than 45 min. Maybe because of restrictions so those series chose to be aired as a web drama but I do find myself enjoying web dramas more.

[@jessicafialho1394]

I'd love if you did a video on SARFT.

[@Sillaacs03]

They sound interesting !! Can’t wait but wow how annoying to release a drama !! Gosh !! Yeah I did the same in tribes and empires 😪. Pushed to long .... how was ur trip to China ??

[@raozixin7782]

大女主实际上就是伪女主，真男主。 女主的成就基本就是身边有地位有能力的男的爱她，帮助她。但这就该是女生的成就吗？就好比孙俪的那时花开月正圆，让我觉得把一个现实中真正有能力有头脑的女性塑造成一个男人爱女人恨的假大女主。毫无疑问电视剧电影影响着人们的意识和认知，特别是年轻的一代。当这样成群的伪大女主的片子播放出来时，会给人造成一种观念就是：女孩子的意义在于她是否吸引异性，身边的男的都围绕着她。她被人讨厌，被女生讨厌，妒忌，陷害都是因为一个男人的爱。当我看到自己初中的表妹觉得身边的女生朋友不喜欢她是正常的因为她们嫉妒她，觉得不需要这些女生朋友，只要有男生围绕着她才是好的时，我觉得很悲哀。但这就是她从小看这些电视剧所带来的潜移默化的影响。还有当每次那些电视剧里女性勾心斗角的情节出来时，爸爸或其他男生在旁边的一句，女人就是心机多，女人就是这么勾心斗角。。。等等都让我觉得很无奈。现实生活中真的是这样吗？女生的脑袋中就只剩下爱而不得就是把另一个女生往死里整吗？完全不现实。但这种大女主影视文化又在把女生的思想往这个角度移。这么多的电视剧中有多少是真正的大女主，女主的成就不是让其他女人成为爱情里的手下败将，不是靠着男主的帮助。可以说几乎没有。这就让我对琅琊榜中的海晏所塑造的女主格外欣赏。不是说没有爱情，而是爱情不是一切。琅琊榜二中的林奚才让人觉得这才是电视剧里真正的大女主，她的成就是她自己的能力，她有情，情却不是她的全世界。说是电视剧制作针对大多数女性观众，才会有这些情节去吸引女性。可实际上是先塑造了一个框架把大家看待事情的观念框在一个肤浅的小圈里。慢慢让你觉得这就是对的，这就是吸引你的，再一步步的加深。这种虚假的大女主戏真的少点吧

[@ShanaJahsintaWalters]

NOOOOOO. I am not ready.

[@SuperrNance]

*...* (face palms & silently cries)

[@weiting7135]

haisssttt! i'm waiting Win the world. i hope it's not another "love me syndrome" . those many flashbacks from Tribes and empires are really annoying so after watching until episode 49 i jumped right away to the last 3 episodes

[@AvenueX123]

Oh, my, Fan BB is the queen of everyone loves me

[@andreamcleanmusic]

I don't know about da nu zhu but I'm so frustrated with this kind of thing for the past few years watching yang mi and liu shi shi onscreen especially liu shi shi. I initially stayed away from 10 miles because I didn't want to see the same yang mi character projected into another story but was very happy to see her after all once I watched your video, watched the drama and saw her bai qian. I particularly can't enjoy liu shi shi's works though. I tried to make it through lost love but had to drop it because she was paired with the male version of herself. It's obviously an industry problem.

[@weiting7135]

i was really looking forward to watch Win the world, but i guess it's really busted now,

[@momotwci3621]

The main responsibility of China's film and television is not the General Administration of radio and television, but the person in the film and television industry. The General Administration of radio and television (SARFT) does not stipulate that IP plays must be taken, and people in the industry have to take IP plays themselves. They think that the adaptation of the novel is the simplest and can make money. And when it's adapted, the more stupid the better. But I personally think that China does not need a big female drama, because almost all the white lotus Marysu woman, or to love the service, with the so-called feminism also never mind. As for the palace douju, there is a product of extreme male culture, with the so-called feminism also never mind. Personally, I was fed up with the endless court play of the Qing Dynasty, and always in the Qing Dynasty, I did not know how to change a dynasty. The emperor's wife together a lot of jealousy in my opinion itself is very boring. Don't mention creativity. Your demand for Chinese film and television is too high. When they don't take Chinese spectators as a fool, they can do the trick. And I don't think foreign fans will see Chinese play because of IP and policy. Because no matter how Chinese drama is different from other dramas, they can be happy, and they sell abroad very little every year, so they won't be bored with it. For the Chinese people, it will be very annoying. Creativity? There is no basic creative attitude, so do not mention creativity. I am studying film and television myself. There is an original script, and you don't mention it. It's good to make a good adaptation of the novel. And now, China is a popular network drama, not now the so-called TV drama, so it is not so important to be able to play on the TV. a lot of network drama is more open.i recommend you i am not huang guo sheng.

[@AlejanderLong]

说得太好了，，其实说实话，我倒是喜欢看看别人的电视评论--但我已经好多年没看国内电视剧了，唯一看的河神也就看了3集

[@АннаТеймурова-щ8ч]

А можно русские субтитры?

[@Larethq]

Chinese dramas are really getting worst. I mean, they used to have so many interesting and worth watching drama back then with really good editing and plot but dramas nowadays are so repetitive and the storylines are so predictable. I really hope China drama can somehow up their game sigh

[@ulerkadut8582]

most webnovel with Female lead all have this BIG Female Role criteria... so... either hate, love, with the FL... again, some issue in tv series are perhaps not big deal for us... but for some minority ethnic, almost same case as race in movie. but some issue can be sensitive and hard to predict how people perceive it, so better tone down it.

[@hsumit2002]

Enterprise

[@ashaj7095]

Hope Avenue X can relay your constructive criticism to Chinese producers so they can improve their dramas. Otherwise, they'll quickly lose their new c-drama fans.

[@momotwci3621]

unnecessary,but big fan are from china.and every people think it is agency's falut.actually a lot of chinese just do not like palace fight.and too much palace fight had come out,chinese too tired about it.and also ip drama is become a big problem in china.and if does not rule it ,everything just like the same style.you do not know too much about it.

[@ashaj7095]

yes, but they are interested in attracting new audiences outside China .

[@AvenueX123]

Current situation is that they don’t care about international market, it’s too insignificant compared to domestic market

[@momotwci3621]

you said too innocent,a lot of people from western country,they do not like watch translation,and also has some love to subculture,they only love to watch korean or something,for chinese market,they more love to earn money from chinese,because for oversea market its like unreal.but they even do not want to work hard to correct their attitude.so say creative?oh,it will not make it better,trust me.now has a lot of drama come out it is great,but for you guys,can you watch it?maybe not.if they interested?why do not do for you?i can tell you a lot of them even do not care about chinese market.my professor told me Chinese film and television workers often say to the screenwriter that the plot is written to the mentally retarded, and the time to look for good looking is all right.I've been watching a TV series recently，called feng qiu huang,Chinese junior high school students cannot write that sentence is full of illness.of course,still has some good quility drama come out,but you can not watch it,because too hard to translation.Chinese is not suitable for the Marysu story, for history, trickery, war, mysterious, if they have good attitude,,always have good works.and now you do not know chinese tv drama is different with web drama,web drama always some much more open,because it is for chinese youth.webdrama even has horror drama.

[@raozixin7782]

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