Big Plane vs Little Plane (The Economics of Long-Haul Flights)

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Airbus made an enormous plane, Boeing made an efficient plane. They both had different ideas on how the airline industry would work in the future, and only one was right.
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[@bradycoyle8459]

2016: “What’s very exciting is the 737 Max” Me in 2019: “Hmm, I don’t think so”

[@PokePresto]

Haha was thinking the exact same.

[@griffisjm]

Yep, I laughed at that!!

[@emilescurel]

Same

[@maximiliaanheirman2451]

Dude I thought the exact same

[@patrickstump6809]

In his defense, it was exciting. Just not the type of exciting they were going for

[@PlanesAndGames732]

"Wuhan to San Francisco" "What's even more exciting for us consumers is the upcoming 737 MAX"

[@hydrochloricacid2146]

We just need another catastrophic event and we'll have the foreshadowing trifecta

[@martincamilleri7444]

No.

[@elweewutroone]

737 MAX: what are you? Basically every airspace authority in the world: DEATH

[@zedriclouis87]

Is Wendover guessing the bad stuff?

[@mitchellgrahek2338]

Ya, parts of this video did not age well

[@sahncha3017]

7:27 “What’s even more exciting for consumers is the Boeing 737 MAX.” yikes..

[@namanagarwal6989]

Lol

[@iammeliaskhan]

@JPStudios it's not!! I flew on it several times and A380 is miles better in terms of comfort. You get a different feeling when you get inside an A380

[@sonuaggarwal7135]

Elias Khan People that don’t understand planes. AIRLINES design their cockpit, not Boeing or airbus. An Emirates a380 is clearly better then a Ryanair 737 for comfort. That doesn’t mean the plane itself is better.

[@XPLAlN]

@@iammeliaskhan It's as if you didn't watch the video at all. The A380 and the 737 Max do not compete on the same routes. Nobody is going to operate a super jumbo between Glasgow and Lagos.

[@hydrochloricacid2146]

@@iammeliaskhan of course it is, the 737 is a short to medium haul narrow body airplane, while the A380 is an intercontinental widebody jet, and the largest airliner in the world. It isn't even a fair comparison. But you have to compare with similarly sized aircraft.

[@isaiah3675]

when he talk about “Wuhan to San Francisco “ I screamed

[@placeholdername0000]

(Filthy Frank screaming while holding skillet)

[@yhkhoo2269]

Didn't age well

[@isaiah3675]

Yu Hern Khoo well-

[@benhuang2773]

@@yhkhoo2269 Neither did the 737 Max statements.

[@AEMoreira81]

Wuhan to New York also existed.

[@bane7847]

Leaving economics aside, the a380 and the 747 are real beauties

[@d-zummyaldente6826]

You said it brotha

[@colegustafson1635]

saw an a380 at the Dusseldorf airport a few months ago, it was amazing to see

[@octave1]

Yeah, I fly on them 6 times a year

[@arshadarif2830]

True! I saw an a380 at the Doha airport and was completely mesmerized.

[@sheep4439]

I dont even know what that is but sure it really is cool

[@gabrielwhitlatch9891]

“Wuhan to San Francisco” I sure hope not...

[@mr.whatever1492]

Yeah bro, that's the exact thing that strike my mind when I heard of the route. 🤣

[@haiqalzaki5113]

Didn't aged well

[@ThorkilKowalski]

Locally produced bat soup will be served on board.

[@seanpruitt8948]

He also said exited for the 737 max

[@stephenflannery9810]

This episode is sponsored by plague inc.

[@nikhilneildas]

The 737 Max aren't looking so good now huh..

[@chad_b]

I was going to say the same thing but figured I'd check if anyone else did first

[@phinzo7885]

Nikhil Das You talking about the MAX series? Or the Max 8?”

[@HorseCrazieGirl15]

All plane models have their flaws. At least Boeing seems to trying to fix it.

[@lexgo8013]

@@HorseCrazieGirl15 hmmm

[@joshybpotashy5829]

Lol

[@artistwithouttalent]

Wuhan, 737 MAX hype... Wow, this just aged phenomenally.

[@PlaneSpottingBerlin]

7:26 never mind...

[@urbanninja018]

hey i like ur videos

[@lejohnd2430]

Lol

[@henrytullmusic]

lmaooo awkward time to talk about how great the max is

[@eepp]

indeed, it's promising as long as it doesn't crash

[@saturnv2419]

Part of the reason is because MAX is technologically great, airlines want to buy it faster and Boeing want to sell it faster, and it actually did, resulting in inadequate training and information distribution from both side.

[@Yunghamz]

@@saturnv2419 It's such a stupid thing for Boeing to do. Doesn't matter if airlines want to buy it faster, the blame will always be put on those who supplied the product. If anything, they should have upped the safety checks because as wendover explains, this plane was to serve long haul but low demand routes. They could not afford anything which could affect it's reputation and thus that low demand. It's not like many go from manchester to cleveland for example but the max was to provide the convenience for those that wanted to. But we will always pick safety over convenience.

[@saturnv2419]

@@Yunghamz The blame is on Boeing, but keep in mind the demand also forced a speedy supply, which we had already seen many times before in aviation.

[@bahardin3992]

@@saturnv2419 .. there's always the Airbus A320 and it's variants. Just that some how American don't like European... mmnn.

[@theyoshi202]

Her: Come over! 737 max: I can’t, I’m grounded Her: my parents aren’t home 737 max: You don’t understand, I’m literally grounded

[@anon6407]

Unlucky mate

[@FlyLeah]

Her: wait that’s illegal

[@delfininsjezus]

Bad joke

[@sklandy1]

underrated

[@beccabalint9938]

0% Of comments: "Wow cool video" 100% Of comments: "737 mAx"

[@MrJoecordo]

And now Wuhan 🤣

[@Michi12]

Becca Balint ok boomer

[@charliec193]

Now wuhan bat soup *my favorite*

[@nordwind8726]

@@Michi12 I KNEW SOMEONE WOULD SAY THAT 😂

[@electric7487]

Exactly. It's so annoying.

[@RealEngineering]

The audio is very, very well done!

[@Wendoverproductions]

Thanks! I had it done by someone who actually knows what their doing, as well as getting custom music done for the video which I think added a lot.

[@RealEngineering]

Yeah I saw that on patreon. It was definitely worth it.

[@schwanzelstock1071]

If the information was also correct it would have been perfect

[@PaladinLuke]

That's the first comment I've seen not discussing his exception of another plane in the video

[@respect411]

bro ur smart as shit and you said the wrong theyre

[@f.7838]

I think United airlines prefer the punch to drag model

[@jacktran3516]

ParAdoX__ Memecostore LOL

[@Peqches]

ParAdoX__ Memecostore XD

[@joe8124]

ParAdoX__ Memecostore what about the new drag and drop feature on their app?

[@LamNguyen-pd8iu]

ParAdoX__ Memecostore LMAOOO ROOFFFFFLLL XDDDD

[@Toasty_-jx6zk]

It wasn’t even on United.

[@mr.whatever1492]

Wuhan to San Francisco route exists. Literally everyone: Having the face like, 'Unsettled Tom'.

[@dessnom4333]

him: whats even more exiting is the upcoming 737 max etheopian flight 302:no

[@heynnpiano8464]

Lionair 610: hey there buddy wanna go upside down?

[@VlitzyVLT]

yall talk so much shit about the 737 Max without being knowledgeable on what actually happened and why it led to those crash.

[@qayz0989]

@@VlitzyVLT u also seem clueless.

[@pragnes007]

@@VlitzyVLT it has mcas man the worst plane ever 2 deadly crash and Boeing is a criminal now man bad man bad

[@TheUglyGnome]

Was this video based on some Boeing marketing material? Sounded very much like that.

[@theakmon]

Probably, he could have had a look at the Airbus 350

[@a-g8692]

Yeh, the optimistic music just when Boeing appears is suspicious.

[@datnguyenthe8300]

nor did he talk about A320 which is even more successful than the 737, and in fact Airbus was the first to come out with their A320neo new generation efficient short haul planes...

[@Wendoverproductions]

Just want to say publically that if Boeing offers me a sponsorship I will take it no questions asked. That would be pretty often. I just imagine, however, that not a ton of my viewers are in the market for airplanes.

[@adrianbalderrama5969]

TheUglyGnome I'm a Boeing fan boy myself but this did sound very one sided

[@alph5230]

This video didn't age well: San Francisco - Wuhan Flight "exciting" 737 MAX

[@sammyboy1236]

7:27 a320: hey 737 max come play 737 max: i cant im grounded (in 50 countries) other planes: *snickers

[@bobertvlogs8214]

love that

[@cefb8923]

Then you realize that the 737 is the most widely used passenger plane in history.

[@arcaipekyun4232]

Joe B thats the 737 not the max model

[@elweewutroone]

The timestamp is the Boeing 727!

[@divayanand4017]

"What's even more exciting for us consumers, is the boeing 737 max." That didn't age well

[@splosh2070]

If only we could get 737 max flights to Wuhan

[@martinwessels7316]

This your first video that angers me. Firstly: A380 =/= B787. They're not competition! You could've compared that 787 to the a350 (which by the way already has 810 orders) or the a330 neo. Oh, and your little spike about the A380's slow orders? Its REAL competition is the B747-8i, that has thus far only rounded up 50 orders. The A380's orders you ask? 319.

[@brandongaumond5282]

He is not comparing planes, he is comparing the difference in manufacture philosophies at the time (early 2000s).

[@iriondalcor]

no he's not.

[@tntfireguy1]

Martin Wessels thank you, this statement is completely true, it's like saying the difference between a car and a coach, there no competition. The a350( a far better aircraft) is a far better comparison than the a380 which is still an amazing aircraft and considering the designing started 30 years ago and the first flight was 27 April 2005 making it 11 years old, and the Boeing 787 is far far far newer, new techonologies and engines have been created

[@Arkaid11]

He however forget to mention that Airbus never believed in a 100% Hub model for commercial aviation (the creation of the a350 is a good proof). It's just that proportions of direct flights they "believe" in are different than Boeing's ones. There is a little bit of oversimplification in this video. A person not knowing anything about commercial airplanes would just think "Airbus are a bunch of idiots" after seeing this video, while the reality is way, way more complex than that.

[@blanca6552]

Airbus lover

[@404Anymouse]

I sure enjoy to fly from Wuhan to San Francisco on a Boeing 737 Max.

[@paulozhan]

Well apparently we won't be seeing super low-demand routes like Manchester to Cleveland, Lyon to New York and Belfast to DC operated in the near future.

[@colegustafson1635]

lmao

[@emeraldflame6194]

2016: Ah the 737 Max, solution to an old aircraft!! 2019: all good to go, don’t mind the 2 VERY infamous crashes...

[@danielchacon1098]

Every airline that wanted the A380 already has it. Airbus hasn't gotten any new orders from other non A380 operators. Unlike the A350 which has a better future in front of it

[@IANinALTONA]

incorrect. The giant A380 is a difficult sell in the current market, which is characterised by overcapacity, but the plane in 2016 received orders from two non-A380 customers: All Nippon Airways and Iran Air.

[@julosx]

Airbus still has 27 A 380 to deliver.

[@farhanatashiga3721]

julosx after that its done.

[@generalpurpose772]

I’m Scottish and the thought of catching a long haul flight from Glasgow or Edinburgh, that is cheap and can take me to destinations further than I could have conceivably went before (at least from Scotland) is frankly thrilling. In the UK, the only way you can get a non-stop flight to certain destinations is by flying out from London Heathrow. Now it takes at least 8 hours on a coach to travel from Glasgow to London, that is if the traffic is flowing quickly into London and if the bus is not making any stops to pick up and drop off passengers along the way. You can understand why this isn’t the best situation, apart from the fact that you will have to make your way from London Victoria coach station to Heathrow via train, the trip down itself is exhausting and if you add in the fact you may have a lot further to go to get to your final destination, the thought of the experience is daunting. You might ask, why not get a flight from Glasgow to London?. You can do that, but you will be arriving at one of the smaller and more out of the way airports ‘near’ London, if you want to spend as little as possible. Internal flights within Britain are expensive, or inconvenient. They are designed for business passengers and not budget travellers. Most young people travel around the country via bus because the cheapest tickets can be as little as £1.50 booked skilfully and in advance. A one-way internal flight, from Glasgow to London Heathrow, costs more than getting a return ticket on a flight to most destinations in mainland Europe from Scotland!. The train is the most balanced option you have, book in advance and you can get decently priced seats (which still cost at least as much as the cheapest flight) and you can be in London in half the time it would take via coach. Then you travel from London Euston to Paddington, and get the Heathrow Express and in 15 minutes you are at the airport. Now if you add together all of the times, and weigh up your choices (whether you might as well just connect from an airport in Europe and save the money and hassle) or save only a marginal amount of time by getting the train to London Euston from Glasgow, you can see why Scotland deserves to have cheaper, long haul flights made available. Our options for easy travel are more limited. I shouldn’t have to travel to the other side of the country to get where I need to go. Internal flights in such a small country are inefficient, but we are large enough to deserve to have the north become a hub for international travel. It would serve those in the north of England as well. Travelling to Scotland for a flight would be faster for people who come from let’s say, Newcastle, than it would be to travel to London.

[@colingillies7432]

100% agree. Scotland is already great for going east to the Middle East, Far East or Australia because of the direct flights on Emirates, Etihad and Qatar. They are better for this route than going through London because you get to travel through much more efficient airports and save a lot of money on airport transport and travel fees without the absurd London costs for worse service.

[@mikegaynor7222]

This video has aged very well. “Wuhan to San Francisco” “Very excited about the upcoming 737 MAX” . . . . 2020 is gonna ruin this mans whole video

[@danielclasen809]

I flew on a 787 dreamliner with American airlines from Venice to chicago. It was amazing. The windows tint instead of shut, the screens have remotes/game controllers, and it was probably the best plane ive ever flown on, and ive only flown 10 times

[@IBo99608]

A boeing is never good

[@frau3603]

@@IBo99608 lol boeing > airbus

[@yourlocalyoutubecommenter]

AA is the only Us airline to have remotes, nice gimmick

[@muhammadnurarifin6082]

It's Big Planes Vs Small Planes Right? Or Airbus Vs Boeing?

[@cheesebusiness]

Big planes vs. small planes

[@sstorey79]

Muhammad Nur Arifin I

[@rafi.d.a.6601]

No Muhammad Nur Arifin is big plane vs little plane

[@nightsharkgamersorryimadea8353]

Nope everybody thinks defrint things

[@davecrupel2817]

Леонид Декабрёв the 787 is no small plane.

[@kulkarniprabhanjan]

hey you didnt mentioned A350-900/1000

[@igouroum]

You can take the principles about the 787 outlined in this video and apply them to the a350. I think he didn't mention that plane in this video because this plane is, for all intents and purposes, a flop. It is ironically being superseded by the upcoming a330neo that is cheaper and technically an older design. You can look up the number of firm orders on the 787 vs a350.. The numbers are grim for airbus, and this is coming from a French guy who loves airbus aircraft.

[@kulkarniprabhanjan]

Marc Wolff thanks for clarification

[@igouroum]

The a350-1000 is somewhat comparable to the 777, but it's still a smaller plane, and it's not out yet. The 777 is designed to be an economically viable 747-type aircraft - Too large to be viable on "long and slims". The 787 and a350 are in the same category. Not the 777.

[@shiftwolf]

Hey, I looked up the numbers and it says around 1100 orders for the 787 and 800 orders for the 350XWB. Considering the fact that the 787 is 3 years older that's not bad at all, is it?

[@igouroum]

My mistake. I mixed up the a350-800 numbers (which are grim) with the a350-900 and a350-1000. However Airbus' backlog is immense, and they lost an a320neo deal with Qatar. We'll see how long it takes them to deliver those 800 a350s on top of the rest.. Best of luck to them

[@kicapanmanis1060]

2016 Wendover: Monotone, bland, slightly shaky. 2020 Wendover: Confident, snarky, jokes every 5 sec. You've come a long way man. Mind you, your vids have always been good content wise. I didnt even realize the difference until I go back and watch some of the old classics.

[@mobashshirkareem976]

Why this video didn't age well: 1) The 'exciting' Boeing 737 Max turned out to be the *most* unsafe passenger plane in recent decades. 2) Nobody would ever want a Wuhan to San Francisco flight from 2020 onwards. 3) Boeing is neck deep in loss. Lost its trust. 4) The entire fucking aviation industry just collapsed. 5) Oil prices are in their historic lows and even dropped to negative value for a few hours. It's so weird imagining if someone said this 3 years ago, people would consider him/her crazy....

[@mirzaahmed6589]

Not to mention that no one flies any of the point to point routes (e.g. Manchester to Cleveland, Hartford to London) that he mentioned, and if anyone might have, it would have been a carrier with a hub at one of those airports, e.g. Thomas Cook in Manchester when they were still flying. Most of the "point-to-point" routes mentioned are in fact high demand routes connecting countries with historic and linguistic commonalities. Santiago to Madrid, for example, is an important route for both LATAM and Iberia, just as New York to London is for American Airlines and British Airways. Passengers from all over South America connect at Santiago for the flight, and on the Iberia flight, passengers transfer at Madrid to other European destinations.

[@MattMcIrvin]

Now it'd be Wuhan wanting to keep from getting infected from San Francisco.

[@dimitriskaryamis]

Saying gas is historically low didn’t age well 😅

[@jshi3]

I miss the historic lows.

[@karlshorstzwei]

Number 5 didn't age well either.

[@PsychShrew]

"Focus on passenger comfort" Sees United logo _Hmm..._

[@The_Foxymew]

I find it amusing that there seems to be fanboys for plane construction companies of all things. I mean, to each their own, I just never really thought of that possibility.

[@ethanhatcher5533]

Foxymew welcome to the aviation world

[@LyricsFred]

There is a fandom for everything. Everything.

[@voxer99]

It's a form of nationalism.

[@cockatoo010]

iF iTS noT BOeInG i'M nOt gOinG !

[@erikhjortsater5461]

Nothin’ beats the 789

[@OvercookedSteak]

What's even more exciting is the 737 MAX! *ArE You SuRe AbOuT ThAT?*

[@ActuallyCPOS]

To be fair, I think it was MOMENTARILY exciting

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

6:35 *Wuhan, China to San Francisco.* Yeah, we noticed. And so did the Coronavirus.

[@a-g8692]

Nice (and long) Boeing commercial

[@kevinp8108]

Sorry, it's the truth. He's just telling like it is. A380 is a huge flop! Airbus went down the same wrong path like Concorde did decades ago. Both planes are not profitable.

[@keaper8560]

the 747-8 is actually doing quite well a lot of people forgot something the brand new 747 wasn't made for passenger transport that's the 747-8I (after a couple airlines asked for it) the 747-8 was mainly designed to be an cargo aircraft and it's doing that job quitte well

[@opus4rv]

"the 747-8 was mainly designed to be an cargo aircraft".....Wrong! Demand for mainly cargo configurations has made it that way. It was not mainly designed for cargo.

[@keaper8560]

I read somewhere (have the slightest clue where) that's the reason the people version has the I for intercontintal

[@TheNewGreenIsBlue]

Flop in terms of absolute orders, or flop in terms of revenue? Remember, the 747-8 is essentially a variant on one of the world's most popular planes, the 747. The R&D for that plane is minimal as most of its innovations are already done. Is essentially the iPhone 7 of iPhones. Most feel that its break-even point is around 100 planes. In 5 years, Boeing has delivered 41 passenger versions and 68 freighter version, with another 15 on order. The A380 has been estimated to need ~420 planes to break even (the 787 needs about 1100). 195 A380s have been delivered... out of 319 orders and orders have almost stopped since 2014.... with 2 planes ordered. In addition, they are mostly purchased by a small number of airlines, like Emirates(43% of ALL deliveries), Singapore(10%), Lufthansa(7%). When three airlines makes up 60% of all your deliveries it's not a good thing. The ONLY thing keeping the A380 in production is Emirates, with 45% of ALL orders. And think about that, Emirates and Singapore both have SINGLE HUB strategies. How many airlines have that business model? Resale of the A380 will be lower than expected as the airline industry is pivoting towards a cheaper no-frills model between smaller airports. The inconveniences of security at airports as well as the rise of the LCC has meant that re-selling or leasing a A380 will be difficult. They can't FLY into many of the smaller airports. The A380 will likely **NEVER** the recoup the $25 Billion it costed to build it. Hopefully Airbus can use some of that R&D and apply it towards other future more profitable planes. It's a shame really, if the A380 hadn't sucked the wind out of Airbus's sales (pun intended), they could have spend all that money and effort on building a truly new and completely innovative aircraft instead of playing catch-up with the A350AWB.

[@x8BitRain]

No mention of the A350? Its airbuses answer to the 787 knowing the A380 isn't as demanded considering all the point in the video. Excellent video as always though!

[@AverageAlien]

airbus always copies

[@Draylogic]

Average Alien And apparently do it better when you look at the order books

[@roadrunner6224]

So why Boeing annouced the B737MAX after Airbus annouced the A320neo?

[@Draylogic]

Peter Zwegert 2 years difference does not make up for 1000 extra orders for the A320neo. The A350 enters service 5 years later than the 787 and yet the A350 is winning in terms of orders (excluding the 787-8s orders as Airbus' answer to this is still in development)

[@StOrmZIsoNItZWaY]

The video is actually about the two different transport models (hub and spoke, and point to point) and the two different planes developed to fit those models. The A350 is only being developed now and so doesn't serve as a good comparison. 787 - point to point vs A380 - hub and spoke 787 - point to point vs A350 - point to point He can't really make a good comparison about the two models using the A350.

[@olekaarvaag9405]

Omg, the edit of the background music at 4:51 as the script went from positives to negatives is SUPERB. Such a small detail that is executed perfectly. Bravo.

[@karamsaviation2813]

6:36 Hi Corona!

[@ThatOneGuy46696]

To all the people "calling out" Wendover for being biased towards Boeing, I think you 1. misread the title, and 2. you don't know what he's actually comparing. He's comparing two airline ideas, the hub-and-spoke model, and the point-to-point model. I do believe that he used very powerful words in calling the A380 a failure, as it has served a very specific purpose, but I can see why he said so. Boeing struck gold when they developed the 747 and it outright saved the company. Airbus needed competition and so the developed the largest passenger airplane to ever fly. They had a problem, the A380 was introduced long after the market had expanded to accommodate the long-haul aircraft. With new technologies and innovation with composite materials, the long-haul aircraft simply cannot compete. The sales of A380s and 747s have slowed to a crawl. Both Airbus and Boeing feel this. Both companies have invested in newer thin body planes while Boeing has gotten all the press due to their revolutionary composite technology of the 787. The A380plus, the new premier A380 model has had a total of zero orders. The hub-and-spoke model has its place and serves its purpose. However, it's slowly being overtaken by the point-to-point model and its enabling by planes such as the 787. The A380 was revolutionary and is a majestic plane, but its purpose has been served. We will see it slowly be phased out with the 747 in favor of planes such as the 787 and A350. I hope that you children can look beyond the Boeing vs. Airbus battle and see the bigger picture. He only used the A380 and the 787 as the best and most recognizable examples of each model. Now prepare for the most reasoned and well thought out comment to get drowned in the sea of Airbus vs. Boeing battle.

[@AFP557]

Yes, but he says that "point to point" flying is the future but all the routes that get touted as examples of the Dreamliner's Point-to-Point capabilities (SFO-XMN, SFO-WUH, LHR-AUS, NRT-SJC, PVG-BOS) are actually Hub-to-Point routes. From what I can tell, despite all the hype, the 787 hasn't opened up any actual Point-To-Point routes. Opening up hub to point flying is nothing special. 767s have done that, as have A330s, 777s etc.

[@pixoontube2912]

Sooner or later, Airbus will also serve the demand for point-to-point flights with the A321LR, so its not only Boeing who succeeds. By the way, the 747-8 has also been a failure as it has been released almost half a century later than its succsessful forerunner

[@toymastersandstars9434]

You have time to write this ???

[@Racko.]

Pixoon Tube Boeing knew it will fail. That’s why the 747-8I isn’t widely know a failure because Boeing saw it coming, they also didn’t lose money. The a380 is still a fail because airbus though they’ll sell 1,200+ and they keep losing money.

[@RB747domme]

Erndem Sterff Prederctions But the title gives a different impression. Airbus isn't saying they don't believe in point to point. That's why they're producing literally handfuls of models in the point to point range, except, he didn't list any of them. He only ever spoke about the Dreamliner. It would have - perhaps - sounded less biased, at least from an airliner point of view anyway, and certainly more informative to the casual viewer who may not know and offer lot about airliners, if he had suggested some more point to point aircraft from both Airbus and Boeing and or maybe others after he had covered the policy differences between Boeing and Airbus in the recent past. Boeing, yes, are producing aircraft from a belief (or policy) in point to point, and that's what they have touted, certainly in recent years anyway. Airbus when they started producing the A380 and Co. touted the hub and spoke model. Since then however, mainly due to the way that airlines are buying aircraft, and due to the way that they are operating from smaller airports (or destinations) in order to save money, Airbus have changed their tune somewhat. Airbus are no longer solely interested in hub and spoke operations with respect to their long-haul products, but are now actively changing policy decisions down the line in order to match Boeing on an aircraft to aircraft basis. So it would have perhaps been prudent for the narrator to mention this, as it is an important development in the world of airliner marketing and production - especially from the second giant manufacturer. And there are only two of them.

[@mancheaseskrelpher8419]

Everyone's complaining about the Boeing bias, and I'm just sitting here wondering why he doesn't use metric units as the primary system.

[@mark-]

For some reason the USA people dont like change. Maybe its too hard for them. We changed to metric just after WW2 and never looked back

[@brettarmour7254]

it would cost the US trillions of dollars to make the switch because we have hundreds of millions of signs and such to replace and it's not practical to update the world's largest road and rail networks.

[@KingTriton1837]

***** so an entire nation is dumb because they won't switch over to a system that most everyone else uses? Lol. Your logic is flawless... Said no one ever!

[@Maxmekker42]

They could start by learning all students the metric system, and slowly adapt to it. Thats dheaper than an overnight change and would be better in the long run

[@KingTriton1837]

There is no reason for the US to switch over just because others don't like that they don't use their system. Such an egotistical train of thought. It is no wonder some foreigners are viewed as assholes by the USA!

[@stevenethan4638]

Your voice is awesome with that smooth background music playing and video was really very informative. After watching this video I felt energy efficient lol

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

**1000 repetitive 737 and coronavirus jokes later** Ah yes I have achieved comedy 👌😂💯

[@Archway16]

Ikr, it isn't even funny even now, it's just disrespectful to the People who died in the MAX

[@Marylandbrony]

Personally i think the Max will recover. But the point to point model will be replaced by the 797. Which is like the 757 but modern.

[@TheSecondVersion]

"Wuhan to San Francisco" "Excited for the 737 MAX" This video is more dated than a harem protagonist

[@erojerisiz1571]

It's more dated than the roman empire

[@meow8384]

Lol can't wait for the 737 MAX! And also Airbus is stopping a380 production, and 787's are built in not so safe factories

[@Totino.The.Pizza-Boy]

The 737 Max is gonna be awesome! I hope nothing terrible happens to mess it up!

[@panzers9484]

6:35 That flight ain’t going anywhere fast

[@erictaylor5462]

I think one huge mistake Airbus made with the A380 was putting the flight deck on the lower level. This put the pilots closer to the ground, but it also cut capacity. You can place passenger seats under the flight deck, but not over it. In addition they made it harder to create a freighter version of the plane. Boeing 747 freighters can carry quite a lot of freight, and the nose and tail of the plane can open making loading and unloading easy. Airbus could have created a freighter A380 to compete with the 747, but they didn't think ahead much.

[@lorenzovanhethul1355]

The avionics bay is under the cockpit, so it would be hard to put any seats under there. And it would change aerodynamics characteristics

[@tntfireguy1]

Eric Taylor I believe the reason for this is airbus' fly by wire, allowing pilots to familiarise themselves a lot more easily whereas the Boeing 747 is placed far higher up

[@Arkaid11]

Don't you think that the choices of conception have been made by 1000+ engeeners working 24/7 on the project? There are plenty of reasons why they didn't adopt the 747 configuration

[@lorenzovanhethul1355]

737 is by far the best plane and the a320

[@erictaylor5462]

AirbusAviation-photography "Fly by wire" is a computerized system for control. Traditionally there are cables (or hydroponic lines) attached directly to the flight controls. The pilot moves the control and the cables pull or push the corresponding movable surface on the wing or tail.. In fly by wire the pilot's controls are hooked to a computer. The computer analyzes these inputs then (you hope) sends the appropriate commands to move the control surfaces. In fly by wire the pilot doesn't even need to be on the plane to fly it. It doesn't matter where he sits.

[@antonik2674]

Imagine Ryanair 787s LOL!!!

[@mikeoxsmal8022]

Brussels_aviator imagine Ryanair a380

[@samu_cornia9991]

Hell yeah

[@toxicatto6074]

Oh god, the 787 will have the hardest landing with ryanair

[@johnmckeown6573]

Ryanair: the most profitable airline on the planet ? Scoffs away ...

[@thedumgamer2046]

The plane is extra...

[@super-gerald]

I've flown on A380's and Dreamliners and I can say with certainty that the Dreamliner in nowhere near "unrivalled in passenger comfort". The A380 is *much* more comfortable than the Dreamliner, even in economy. Boeing put a lot of PR spin on the Dreamliner, entirely undeserved.

[@john3260]

It's not about comfort these days, it's about price, there is a race to the bottom currently happening in the airline industry.

[@arcaipekyun4232]

Gerald Tomyn its more likely that these differences come from different layouts and seat designs of different airlines

[@theroadtosunrise]

When It comes to comfort, I rather fly the A350 over the 787. Never flown with the A380, but I hope to get an opportunity soon.

[@justsamoo3480]

Can we mention that a380 has more reliable engines. B787 Dreamliner has become major problem for Norwegian it lowers their profit alongside with MAX’s grounding that put even more troubles to pay off their debt.

[@meganthai1998]

It's the airline's decision Boeing or Airbus does not choose where the seats are.

[@ruslanbes]

3:06 Wow, never expected to see Aeroswit-operated plane in a video :)

[@RoseCityRebel]

I'm seriously loving your videos on commercial aviation! Keep them coming brother!

[@anzeg-]

Isn't the majority of Emirates airlines based on the A380? How is it a failure when a big airline like that has a massive fleet of them. And as a big guy I like these big planes a lot more. I can't even stand up on a lot of these small and skinny planes.

[@ZenoDragos]

Nope, they have more 777-300, 777-300ER, 777-200, 777-200ER than the a380, plus they have just ordered 150 777-8 and 9 :)

[@jviation737]

Okay, one airline cannot keep an aircraft in production. The A380 is only highly used by Emirates as they fly extremely long routes. And that's literally it. No other airlines do this, as the 777, A330neo, A350, 787 all are more efficient. A380s often fly 1/3 to 2/3 thus not making a complete profit. It's difficult to completely fill an A380, yet an 777 or A350 is much easier. If you think airlines honestly care about "space for tall people" then you shouldn't' even be here. Airline configuration deals with this manner. 787, 777, A350s and other widebodies all have fine amounts of space and are better to operate than the A380. Heck, even a Delta 757-300 I was on felt roomy. Airbus stupidly did mot make a freighter, and cannot get any sales. The project was over budget and now is going to collapse in the near future

[@reesmayhew5561]

The emirates fleet has 2 a330-200s, 3 a340-300s, 84 A380-800s + 54 on order, 3 777-200ERs, 10 777-200LRs, 10 777-300s, 123 777-300ERs + 23 on order, 35 777-8x on order, and 115 777-9x on order. So 323 777s in total and 142 a380s. So 68 percent of the fleet is 777s and 30 percent is a380s.

[@jviation737]

And your point is? If all, proves my claim that they heavily run the A380, and are literally rhe only airline to do that. Approx. 1/3 of all aircraft are run by the A380. And I have no idea why you are factoring in orders...why? It's not something you would add into a data equation. But nice job point it out Sherlock Holmes

[@patrikstreng6834]

Anze G Emirates is THE hub for connections with massive amounts of people coming through Dubai going to Asia, Europe or America. Emirates do make profit off it

[@shaunaisaJellyBean]

You can’t comprehend the size of the A380 until you stand beside it, it’s beautiful, so glad I got to fly on it

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Great video! You make the complex, easy to understand!

[@thomasmizrahi]

im exited about the reports of exploding 787 batteries!

[@MeowMeowDeathRay]

Oh ya those were scary as hell

[@pauljones3017]

" _Failure_ _is_ _an_ _option_ _here_ . _If things aren't failing, you aren't innovating enough_" *-Elon Musk* Also, let's assume it: Airbus will use lithium batteries some time in the future.

[@MeowMeowDeathRay]

Paul Jones for fun. It's not the problem with lithium batteries. I think lithium batteries are very well tested and proven (although Samsung would bet a differ). The problem with the batteries on 787 was it showed the problem of outsourcing critical production process to less competent manufacturers with a lack of oversight, and how bad boeing handled the situation.

[@thomasmizrahi]

PierreDolphin actually, thr 787 batteries are made of lithium cobalt aka very dangerous

[@farhanatashiga3721]

Qantas 32 enough said

[@corybrayshaw9927]

Wouldn't say Manchester is a small airport :P Its bigger than London Gatwick

[@ZenoDragos]

It`s smaller compared with traditional long haul airport like Heathrow :)

[@corybrayshaw9927]

Yes it's smaller but still rather large :P

[@Antenox]

Yeah, Newark isn't a small airport, either. It's #15 in the US overall, handling 18 million passengers. That being said, it's nothing like Atlanta, LAX, JFK, O'Hare, etc. THOSE are gigantic airports, and I think those are what people traditionally think of as a "large" airport.

[@FirePandaGames]

+antenox I live near MCI (Midcontinental International/KC) and the airport is larger than Newark, yet services an astounding 2 international flights regularly and handles just over 10 million passengers, so in his defense, he was referring to airport size, and not throughput of the airport. Newark is relatively small, in size, but handles a lot

[@aakashshukla1213]

MasterMapMaker I live by EWR (Newark) it's a regularly sized airport, although it has a surprising diversity of air traffic.

[@tireswings]

“If you’ve lived for the past 10 years...” 10 Year Old:Sup

[@tayilorr]

banned.

[@Likeusb1]

6 year old: HeY

[@tayilorr]

if you are under 13 you can get banned

[@tireswings]

MyNameIsJason Ik Im not ten

[@tayilorr]

@@tireswings Your probs under 13, thats semi-factual.

[@user-lq2nu6cn7y]

I get on the 787 dreamliner from Incheon to YVR every time I go back and forth, and I gotta say except for the small seats (which is for any economy seat anyways,) it is so comfortable. One should definitely try the plane.

[@roberto123nogueira]

I abuse to say: this is almost the perfect channel, always sharing interesting notices for us, thanks from Brazil

[@austben]

My beloved 777, where are you!

[@harryperry5055]

I am from the future; the 737 MAX has been grounded.

[@sandeshbidari3680]

The 737 Max part has not aged well. 😁😁

[@utkarshsaxena8034]

I read the comments, people are taking this video personally, this is not about Airbus vs Boeing. This is between point to point and hub and spoke model, in which talking economically point to point is a clear winner. Both Boeing and Airbus are currently investing and producing planes with lower to medium capacity and airlines do prefer buying these planes. Boeing 787, airbus a350, a330 are all the examples supporting point to point model. So without making things personal, one should appreciate this great video.

[@aachromelivery9554]

Also the 777 is point to point model

[@mateuszdziewierz4234]

737 max

[@keronplug14]

A380 will soon collapse. 787 and A350 will rule out the sky in the future.

[@kevinp8108]

Don't forget the Boeing 777! The actual competitor of the A350 is the B777.

[@neomarcellino8018]

my thoughts is that a350 is kinda more into 787 than 777, and i dont think 777 have a competitor as of now but in the near future maybe a330neo ?

[@keronplug14]

Idk but I guess A350 is a better fuel saving compare to 777 because of the new technologies, developement and such. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@keronplug14]

Thanks for the clarification. And also for the nice respond :D

[@keronplug14]

The uploader already stated that A380 is only to compete with the 747. it's all about competition mate.

[@samuelmount4006]

As someone from Connecticut, you wouldn't even bother connecting from Hartford. You'd just directly depart from Boston or New York. Just an example I know lol.

[@richiekock8835]

love your vids bro. very informative. gives me a new perspective on planes

[@InventorZahran]

I recently flew aboard one of American Airlines' [2016 refit] B-787 Dreamliners, and it had the most luxurious economy-class flight accommodations I've ever experienced! In addition, I often refer to the Dreamliner as the "DreamNiner', because of its 9-seats-per-row interior configuration.

[@JHA854]

I'm flying in an A380 this summer and I'm SO EXCITED.

[@bahardin3992]

J.. that was two summers ago. Are you still EXCITED..?? 😁😀😃

[@danw7943]

Thanks for the video, Wendover!

[@joewilliams6851]

7:32 very excited

[@R.Clayton]

dude these videos are addicting

[@ryanplum6678]

This video did not age well. He mentioned Wuhan and the 737 Max💀

[@polskiobywatel553]

0:08 Did anyone notice Dreamliner's polish painting?

[@nico5618]

Oh boy the 737 max is gonna be good! He stated not knowing what would await that plane in 2019

[@FlyLeah]

A380 was the most comfort I’ve had on a flight. Gonna miss that beauty:(

[@DragonBallExposed]

funkyleah I know it was such an incredible plane

[@martincamilleri7444]

It's that darn 787 AND it's only the a350 that can save airbus.

[@atopeconlatxabaleria]

Flying intercontinental on a single-aisle airliner? So much nope.

[@anthonyloja3262]

Actually, I did it once (return): Funchal-Ponta Delgada-Monreal-Toronto... boooooooring... even with the stops. Amsterdam to Vancouver was a lot better.

[@lemao_squash4486]

atopeconlatxabaleria dude it's super low cost

[@EREJones]

Yeah.. I don’t remember the last time I’ve flown translatlantic on anything that wasn’t a 777. I would still feel a little strange ngl

[@B1SQ1T]

E. R. E. Jones I think (I’m not 100% sure) I flew transpacific or transatlantic on an A380 and 787 before

[@artemoleinikov4817]

I have flown on the Finnair 757 not once, not twice when they were operating it daily from Toronto to Helsinki and I can say it was a LOT better in general than the British Airways 787/777 that are flown now from Toronto to London.

[@Kevin19700]

A wealth of useful information. Thanks!

[@Tururere2345]

This video is a bit weird considering it ignores the A320 Neo (The very reason the 737 Max exists) and the A350, which is a direct 787 competitor. On top of Airbus already having the 330 for decades, and the A300 before it. For hell's sake, Airbus literally invented the twin engine, wide body, long haul plane when Boeing was all in on the 747.

[@josephpenn1115]

KBDL Hartford/Springfield Bradley International Airport represent

[@flyingmonkeybot]

Because flights to Toronto are technically international.

[@josephpenn1115]

Sean Lapuk we have nonstop to Dublin

[@ghostdein1]

Even though Bradley is a piddly little airport, I have a soft spot for it because it always means it's the start of a greater journey. Plus it feels very familiar and like "home" when you're returning from a long trip overseas.

[@josephpenn1115]

2chenz it's a gigantic small airport

[@AnimeSunglasses]

Heh, yeah. But it's quite small for an airport that jetliners can actually take off from. There's a municipal airport near me that has two runways that long, and probably covers more acreage, but feels small because there's no terminal and no scheduled service.

[@BigBoiiLeem]

United airlines were innovators. until they bashed a doctor.

[@Avionicx]

Liam Farrell still innovative, they just made a new way to "reaccomidate" people. Also a new way to stir up massive internet debates

[@Soir27]

Liam Farrell they just want to get infected

[@averagehuman522]

Are you bored? Well I'll show you how it feels to get hit in face with board.

[@colorado1164]

how? he was an idiot for wanting to get home as soon as possible to save lives?

[@NeonMcCamoPorkEatingCrusader]

He wasn't concerned about saving lives, just his own convenience.

[@programablenuance]

Damn a 737 reference and a Wuhan reference. Those didn't age well.

[@davidaw-ba1898]

the reason why I've heard of those planes is because of you and Real Engineering's videos

[@maxibon204]

JetStar has been around for 10 years and isn't just a long haul budget carrier. They have a fleet of A320's that fly on budget fares in Australia.

[@HellsSaints]

Talking up the 737 MAX all those years ago as if it wasn’t about to be the new DC-10… lol

[@bdbailey]

Bruh he literally just foreshadowed the 2 biggest disasters of the past 5 years in the airline industry

[@captainyolowaffle3160]

“Skinny demand” -wendover guy 6:29

[@PaliAha]

I gave this a thumbs up, but i didn't learn anything new.

[@ericwang5690]

well the last point really depends base on which country u r at and how small the the country is. say country like singapore and UAE. they dont need small planes cause they dont really fly domestically. therefore a380 comea in good use

[@nictheperson6709]

+Eric Wang But they can fly to smaller airports in the region. Singapore can fly to smaller airports in SEA, and UAE can fly to smaller airports in the middle east.

[@incognito6469]

Oh, and here is a fun fact about United. Flying the 757 back to the US is REALLY fun. Depending on the weather of the day, e.g., headwind, you end up enduring an emergency landing near the arctic circle in Canada to refuel, missing your connection by a mile. Do not EVER fly to Europe without paying close attention to the aircraft!

[@pikachanwh]

1:50-2:09 Why 16 routes? Isn't it 15?

[@lunchbox1341]

Its actually 20 XD

[@arcaipekyun4232]

Staszini 15.

[@benschuster9792]

Sorry, I can't fly with united- I'm not a fan of being kicked of the plane

[@valsteppe7754]

Legit Breve Fan just be cool. keep all your offensive opinions to yourself, whatever they are. it's called "live and let live", and most people practice it.

[@ns81]

Shots Fired 🤣🤣🤣

[@sabbir051]

Well that depends, are you a white guy/gal?

[@binh3403]

4/5 doctors recommend United Airlines.

[@hamoodtatari]

I wouldn’t have a big problem with Delta. United not so good.

[@ApaceLp]

Like with your other aviation videos, I really enjoyed this one. I'm flying with a A380 to China over a hub in a few days! I agree with you, that point to point flying probably is the future and Airbus seems to anknowledge that with the A350, but it's a shame, that this means, that those huge majestic planes like the 747 and the A380 are going out of fashion. I hope that even without the hub system there will be a place for them for example on ultra high demand lines, like London - NYC!

[@alphaexpress6881]

Apace dont worry. Big planes will be more common in the future with an increasing population.

[@letsseeif]

Just as 'Video killed the Radio Star', 'ETOPS sure as Hell killed the 'Jumbo Jet/s.'

[@scose]

Very informative and interesting!!

[@rodan86]

0:19 Nice 787 takeoff 🛫

[@The_Anders]

You failed to mention that there is a huge ETA on the A380's, which plays big role on why there have been a decreasing amount of orders on the plane. There has also been delays in production (as it is rumored that the A380 was too heavy at launch). You didn't even research the A350-900(XWB) or A330 NEO, this video was very biased, I expected more from you.

[@robloxgrbhrg2034]

The Boeing 737 already had a maintenance failure on engine leading to a crash

[@ant21b]

Most aircraft have had failures an airbus flew into the ground because of their fly by wire system.

[@cockatoo010]

​@@ant21b NOt just once, and there have been other near misses. Including one with an A380, that thankfully, was able to land safely

[@zihaosong9933]

2:05 Should it be 15 routes?