Big Problem of Recycling Lithium-Ion Batteries

[@fabriciofercher8317]

Those processes MUST be designed BEFORE production. Not keep improvising after.

[@jerryleonard8561]

Most of the footage shown in this video is of lead/acid batteries, not lithium-ion. Lead/acid batteries are recycled and the lead reused.

[@RightAway87]

It might be more practical to start with an all-hybrid goal, rather than jumping to all electric. The battery technology is obviously not there yet.

[@gijbuis]

None of the videos on recycling batteries go into any real details of the processes involved, waste materials, cost effectiveness and just about everything that viewers are interested in learning about! This video is no exception! All you see is 'shredding and separation'!

[@xraylife]

That's because there is no recycling of Lithium.

[@markkrishnan9173]

​@@xraylifei think Li-cycle is building a plant in New York

[@xraylife]

@@markkrishnan9173 Nothing is operational just vapourware - its uneconomical to recycle.

[@xraylife]

@@markkrishnan9173 On October 23, 2023, the Company Li-cycle announced that it was pausing construction work on the Rochester Hub project, pending completion of a comprehensive review of the go-forward strategy for the project.

[@davidcurry4433]

So basically, The world has yet again invested something you can't really recycle..

[@nicopheiffer9793]

Technological advancements today seem more bent on destroying mankind , more than fixing it !!!

[@grambo1980]

Redwood and American manganese are recycling batteries with >90+% efficiency. And they are scaling up huge. So not sure what this guy is talking about.

[@EchoMeToo]

@@grambo1980 Are or will be in the future?

[@kalikiller1771]

@@EchoMeToo exactly

[@victorramosjr2239]

That's what it sounds like to me

[@TomTerrific1000]

Hopefully, gasoline powered cars will become extremely inexpensive. So I'll buy one and convert it to methanol/ammonia or hydrogen/ammonia or Hydrogen/natural gas or any of many much simpler and cost effective technologies. All of these technologies are known and currently much less expensive, vastly more energy dense, no recharging issue, environmentally friendly, no bizarre new technology. i currently drive on CNG, but HCNG burns much better, leaner, cheaper and 75% less carbon dioxide. Current gasoline engines dumped on Americans are 25% efficient but an ICE can be rebuilt to get 50% efficiency i.e. turbocharged diesel running on HCNG or hydrogen/ammonia. Engines can also be rebuilt pretty much forever. No recycling needed. Hmmm. Looks like another brain dead technology foisted onto an unsuspecting public.

[@cenjim]

All major auto manufacturers are transitioning from gasoline fuel to electric. They know the future.

[@dave3657]

You are spot on, all we need to do is replace the fuel, not the technology.

[@Soneoak]

One solution is to distribute the responsibility to consumers. Cost for recycling to be part of sale by law, and process of disposal logged via registration that they will get fined if not disposed for recycling. Heavier punishment for crimes relating to theft of products containing battery materials. Part of paid fees go into reward programs for returning lost lithium containing products with investigative/logging process to determine if those items were illegally obtained, therefore it becomes unprofitable to sell lithium batteries for disposal through programs as they would be punished with a fine, or a criminal charge.

[@tanyaerskine7657]

So I buy myself an electric car, and after some time, the battery needs replacing. So I take it to the dealership to have it replaced. I am not the one failing to recycle the dead battery. What -- do you think folks are going to say, "Strap that dead bad boy on my roof -- Imma take it home and stuff it in my trash can!"??? Consumers get stabbed enough without people like you suggesting more fees and fines. The EPA made the diesel industry comply with nearly 100% clean emissions aftertreatment systems and the diesel industry complied. The EPA can do the same to all these EV companies and force them to set up reclamation centers for every set amount of cars they produce. And if you want the little batteries to get recycled, put a return deposit on them like pop cans. Every meth addict on the planet will make sure they're all handed in.

[@Yomotomen]

This brings in so many more problems, a quarter of all crime goes unsolved, which means stolen vehicles would often get away with it, and the more complex the system you integrate, the harder it is for the average consumer, if someone gets a Tesla because they are environmentally worried, and all of a sudden the already pricey say, $60k Tesla is now $65k or $70k because of some bill they’ll think twice, as for heavier punishment for battery theft, well, there is none, these batteries are in floorboards and such hidden away, and also normally framed in steel as well, it’s not easy money, especially whenever catalytic converters are far easier to obtain, not to mention a reward program for finding stolen lithium basically means you can steal a car and sell the battery back to the government. All this added investigative work adds regulations to these cars too, which lengthens the process of production and increases prices, while we’re in a state that needs more lithium than we’re producing right now and cheaper than what’s available and as fast as possible to convert all sold road cars basically by 2030-2040. Or, you can buy a 5 year old Toyota, for $20k and be happy, the solution is not added costs, at the end of the day, recycling needs to become more profitable, and we should tariff mined cobalt and lithium, that’s all we really can do.

[@aulyafadhilahachmad7550]

Getting better

[@andyjohnson3790]

They only way lithium batteries will end up in landfills is from the POS people that don't recycle them properly and throw them away. There are many large companies that are recycling them and can recover almost +90% of the materials from the hydrometallurgical process. Go Li-Cycle and please learn how to recycle everything properly. Thanks ♻️🌎🌲🌍🌳♻️

[@MrOMGtime]

you cant recycle everything, especially plastics

[@qingxuanyue]

the increasing demand for lithium-ion batteries, coupled with the forecasted depletion of usable lithium, poses a significant challenge for sustainability. Despite the presence of recycling plants globally, the high cost and inefficiencies in current methods hinder effective recovery of valuable materials from used batteries. Most lithium-ion batteries end up in landfills, contributing to environmental hazards and further exacerbating the scarcity of essential resources. The lack of a standardized collection and recycling system, as well as the substantial costs associated with the recycling process, are identified as key issues. Urgent efforts are required to implement standardized collection systems, invest in advanced recycling technologies, and enhance public education on the importance of recycling lithium-ion batteries. Addressing these challenges is crucial for achieving a responsible and sustainable approach to the growing issue of depleting lithium supplies and environmental impact.

[@qingxuanyue]

Rebuttal to your point: Too expensive. would rather just buy from miners.

[@MithBesler]

I gave up when you were talking about harmful emissions from smelting while showing a Volkswagen Mechanical Separation line. Amateur Hour.

[@brandonsheffield9873]

Great idea, but pay us the same value of the battery at purchase of vehicle. That way we can save money. Currently EVs are a huge money pit. Need to replace battery, we get charged $20k, the used battery gets recycled by Tesla at no cost to them and they turn a $20k profit for a total of $40k profit. Thats not very good for consumer.

[@nguyenhoanglong8805]

New update currently. There is a process to recycle > 90% of Li-ion battery to new one. And of course the cost of this process is reasonable and could be optimized.

[@brandonsheffield9873]

Do we get paid for turning in the battery? The average consumer deserves a kick back for 100% of its value at time of purchase of the vehicle. This will go a long way to push more consumers to purchase an EV. A $20k battery pack in a tesla should worth $20k at time of recycling. So then the consumer basically gets a free battery replacement for their Tesla. This is also good for environment as a new model won't need to be manufactured to replace that Tesla.

[@qingxuanyue]

the increasing demand for lithium-ion batteries, coupled with the forecasted depletion of usable lithium, poses a significant challenge for sustainability. Despite the presence of recycling plants globally, the high cost and inefficiencies in current methods hinder effective recovery of valuable materials from used batteries. Most lithium-ion batteries end up in landfills, contributing to environmental hazards and further exacerbating the scarcity of essential resources. The lack of a standardized collection and recycling system, as well as the substantial costs associated with the recycling process, are identified as key issues. Urgent efforts are required to implement standardized collection systems, invest in advanced recycling technologies, and enhance public education on the importance of recycling lithium-ion batteries. Addressing these challenges is crucial for achieving a responsible and sustainable approach to the growing issue of depleting lithium supplies and environmental impact.

[@3254steveo]

@@brandonsheffield9873except its not worth 20k. Thats blatantly obvious. Just because you think it should be worth that doesn't mean it is.

[@NewTasty]

Amazing review

[@suny1265]

23 mil owners that will regret having one that in reality will be less then 5 mil.

[@AlchemyOfTheFourthKind]

Fun fact. Lithiums batteries can not be put out with our current technologies and water nakes the fire worse. Of course, said fires have to be of a certain size. Otherwise, the fire would just burn itself out or could be smother in water or whatever. But if you have too much lithium cobate etc than wed haft to liie drop said batteries in the ocean to atop the fire.

[@bitsnpieces11]

The lower cost and requirements to recycle Lead-Acid batteries is the reason I continue to use them.

[@h20doctor]

There are rocks on the bottom of the ocean that can be turned into lithium batteries... There's enough lithium in these rocks, to never ever run out of lithium to make lithium batteries.. the Clarion clipperton zone

[@kalikiller1771]

Lithium vs oil

[@xraylife]

Oil is forever as its continually made by the earths mantle form abundant Hydrogen and Carbon.

[@rolandjohansson7428]

How to not make a documentary.

[@graywoulf]

I thought this was about Lithium-Ion batteries. Not common Lead Acid car batteries??? 🤔

[@davidfalconer8913]

Has to be better than landfill .. ( ? ) ..... DAVE™ 🛑

[@omkarvelankar4439]

No solid explanation about the problems faced in Li recycling, useless vedio

[@mas2491]

👍 🇱🇰

[@grenade05]

Videos like this make no sense. Recycling ev batteries is being done, the information in this video is false. In fact it's so false I nearly laffed out loud at the false claims by the narrator

[@pratprat8477]

LOL this is so false!!!! EVEN small private recyclers are making good one recycling batteries

[@no-cov-jabpureblood4959]

They don't cause the batteries can easily explode.