Where Do EV Batteries Go When They Die?

[@jeremiah03101]

Glad these guys are forward thinking. It's better to anticipate a problem and handle it preemptively. We need more companies like this.

[@dynamitedingo7720]

It makes me want to be an engineer

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Keep Talking Smart Bundesliga

[@kineticstar]

I'm an electrical engineer, and I would love to see responsible battery recycling, but the chemistry used to reclaim the vital materials is not clean or green. The reality is that no one will want these plants opening in their communities. The company shown here is condensing good cells into a singles unit, but that leaves a huge amount of leftover used battery cells.

[@chromolitho]

@@kineticstar Exactly. So where will the dead recycled batteries go? There's no numbers. It's mostly feel good blather, an advertisement, a pitch. The various battery issues are very important stuff.

[@ecospider5]

Well said. The key is that it is cheaper to reclaim the minerals compared to mining for them. The technology problem is doing this in a clean way. So it is great companies are trying out techniques so early.

[@dark-violet]

Great Recycling is an essential part of electrification.

[@DietTimboSlice]

If that's the case then how did the first EV's get made?

[@dark-violet]

@@valleyofiron125 It's true that batteries should be made first. However, recycling and reusing batteries could enable us to reduce the costs of supplying batteries, enhancing the process of electrification. It is worth mentioning that the source of minerals is limited, and we have to go for recycling.

[@ruthlessluder]

Like everything else, they show a good recycling facility for PR purpose. I'd bet 80% of battery "recycling" doesn't even come close to this.

[@anxiousearth680]

@@ruthlessluder Lead acid batteries are mostly recycled. If we can reach that for ICEs, we can reach that for EVs.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

@@DietTimboSlice What do you mean how did the first EVs get made? Did you watch the video? The materials for the batteries are mined from the ground. That's how they were made.

[@mikewarren5004]

EV drivetrain battery pack recycling and repurposing will become an incredibly important industry moving forward. I am thankful for these startups.

[@JT_771]

An important part of the EV equation.

[@GoldenTV3]

Nice PFP, can't wait for IFT-3!

[@jimboslice6915]

ABTC is the only US company that will be mining AND recycling. Simply incredible.

[@lilblackduc7312]

'Greenies' will shut down mining, the electric grid that already can't support E/V/s AND the energy cost of rebuilding batteries.

[@elonmuskverified08]

Thanks for the unconditional love, and support,it's nice talking to you over here, where are you from?

[@Tylerd838]

I don’t believe them, we were told/brainwashed that we can recycle plastic bottles. Yet, that was proven to be false. So you really expect me to be fooled again?

[@brucefrykman8295]

Located in Rustenberg South Africa

[@casablancasj2570]

$ABML - American Battery Technology Company. Holding since 2020 and couldn’t be more excited!

[@ProXcaliber]

You should also check out Redwood minerals!

[@AJ-dn6ej]

damn their stock price is $1! Holy L

[@brucefrykman8295]

All of these "green" outfits are scams; you will lose your a$$ by investing in them; that's why the politicians do it with money stolen from people who know better. The first lie of American Battery Technology Company begins with its name: Its a South African Company

[@JuffoWup78]

I think the next real big innovation will be some form of standardized battery dimensions. This will help these companies with recycling as they would have more unified approach so they aren't taking angle grinders to the tops of the units to get at the batteries. But also probably add some automation to disassembly because they could be put into a jig to just unbolt the entire top in a single pass. We already have standardized charging ports on the cars, so locking down the battery dimensions would be the next real step to help with recycling and maintenance.

[@zlonewolf]

@juffowup78 It's not even that hard to undo battery packs. Did you even watch the video? No two cars are alike. Standardize what exactly? There's different car shapes and sizes.

[@LouisSubearth]

Closest we have are the individual cells, which most packs are clusters of thousands of 18650 cells, which were one ubiquitous in laptop battery packs.

[@KevinFields777]

This will not happen. The big innovation happening now is how to put more battery into the vehicle, which means re-designing vehicles so that any void space is a space where another battery cell is placed. Tesla has been able to increase energy storage density in the Model 3 and Model S productions in this way without having to change their production line.

[@_TbT_]

Because space is rare in a car, this won’t happen. This could possibly happen with trucks however.

[@jimmyk7527]

How does this help environment? Most people are not aware how the battery packs are made with hazardous materials mined. Cobalt is harvest by hand in some cases by children. They dont say that. Then you need to charge it IE:coal and natural gas. Now we are using biomass is the number 1 element to make to be green friendly they are cutting trees to make biomass. So the we lose forest in the name of green, What a scam.

[@Rod-bp8ow]

The method the items are placed into recycling standard is excellent. It saves the environment, while raw materials are always derived from its source. It can always be as efficient with its products, goods and the services that it brings. PLDT SME nation..thank you

[@frankcoffey]

Folks with home solar love to get these batteries. Even if they are degraded they still hold many times the energy of a Tesla power wall.

[@boost1728]

Nonsense claim. You do realize they’re the exact same batteries inside the packs right?

[@frankcoffey]

@@boost1728 It's not the type of battery that makes them desirable it's the number of batteries and pack design that makes them useful. I've seen videos of folks trying to design their own packs and it's really expensive and time consuming.

[@RM-rh3mz]

Big fan of American battery technology company ! ♻️♻️♻️

[@brucefrykman8295]

Where is it located ?

[@RM-rh3mz]

@@brucefrykman8295 Nevada

[@crash_test_dummy_1]

This is wonderful to see!

[@Psycandy]

they go to battery heaven if they've been good batteries, although some eastern batteries may recycle as a different brand. SLA batteries are immortal.

[@ShadLife]

Great information here. This is just the beginning of a whole new industry that will support EVs.

[@_TbT_]

That industry already exists. It will however need to scale up.

[@frequentlycynical642]

This is so encouraging! I've seen a YT video where a garage that works only on EV's fixed a "dead" battery by replacing a few defective cells. Batteries consist of cells, your lead acid car battery has six of them. It's rare that they all degrade at the same rate. I recently had a car battery that was all but dead. Using a hydrometer (it measures the specific gravity of the acid) three cells were excellent and three were dead! Applying this to a hundred? celled EV battery, you find the bed cells, replace them with good ones from other "dead" batteries. You can bet someone will be rebuilding Tesla batteries before long. Too big a market place and oh-so-easy to beat the price of a new Tesla battery.

[@danyeo]

Don’t expect that normally. Most dealers will only swap the whole thing and charge thousands.

[@frequentlycynical642]

@@danyeo Did I say anything about Tesla selling remanufactured batteries? No, I did not. Apparently there are more and more indy EV garages opening all of the time.

[@danyeo]

@@frequentlycynical642 I didn't mention Tesla either, but yes, it's a rapidly expanding industry. Anti EV critics quickly write off batteries when the ball is just getting rolling. You have to wonder right now, which companies to invest in because you know damm well a few of them are going to take off. If an EV can go 200K and you can get just a few cells replaced that would be awesome. Competition will give better options and bring prices down on repairs.

[@MegaSnail1]

Sounds like a company to invest in!

[@davidhowland4499]

All privately owned, so, good luck!

[@RM-rh3mz]

@@davidhowland4499 American battery is not. Their stock ticker is $ABML

[@davidhowland4499]

Well, the video was about SNT and Cox, which is what I assumed you were referencing

[@ianoliveira1]

Abml is the way to go. Still super cheap OTC. Not for long though in my opinion.

[@rolandalfonso6954]

This was great!

[@ronkirk5099]

Some EV naysayers ask the question about what we will do with all the spent battery packs. The answer is easy because with battery packs costing $10,000-12,000, they will ALL be either repurposed as stationary energy storage in homes and businesses or completely recycled for the valuable minerals. I expect manufacturers will also help this process by making battery packs that are even easier to recycle. The process will become a closed loop.

[@ProXcaliber]

I completely agree! This can and likely will also cause battery prices to come down at least a decent amount. A good thing manufacturers can do moving forward would be to standardize some sort of battery layout to make it easier to disassemble for recycling.

[@patrickbateman1660]

Wish these videos showed the specific processes. Like the black mush. Is it seperated? Can you seperate lithium from that? Does anyone buy the black mush or do they use it? How was the black mush made? Did they just put a battery in a blender.

[@JoshuaG]

0:45 Man's a Savage, but spoke the truth 🤣🤟

[@alexhidalgo8657]

ABML needs to partner with SQM from Chile so they can mine their 15 million tons of the mineral they have recently discovered on the property ABML owns in Nevada. They also need to partner with one of the big automakers in the US for battery recycling (GM, Ford or Tesla). Mining and recycling is the key here for ABML. ABML will be a double digit stock very soon!!

[@rsoxboy]

12:43 The American Battery Technology ticker is ABML, not ABT. And it is not on the NYSE.

[@Johrdahn]

0:47 this guy’s laugh took me out. Lol

[@The1stDukeDroklar]

8:32 "Recycling is maybe 5%-10% and the rest is repurposing". So, how long does the repurposing last? What is the overall amount that is actually recycled and how much is not? Can't repurpose it forever right?

[@sirdiealot53]

I keep imagining in the future we’ll be mining landfills for minerals

[@Alexzw92]

Why would we put those minerals there in the first place? They can be recycled

[@NWJF]

@@Alexzw92 we already put them there...

[@FatGuyInaTruck]

​@@Alexzw92 Because those minerals were dumped long before we had a use for them, or a way to recycle them?

[@theotheleo6830]

@@Alexzw92 Because recycling is more expensive than obtaining new materials.

[@FlyingArtz.]

Possible

[@devdroid9606]

Li batteries are very sophisticated and nothing like lead acid batteries. They have many different layers and complex structures, making them harder to recycle than one may think. Plus solid state batteries will eventually be used and this means another type of recycling may be necessary.

[@Jeddin]

Clearly a problem that can never be solved. We should just give up recycling as no one will ever figure out a cost effective method to recycle Li batteries. You should probably let Redwood materials know that there is no use expanding their factory as what they are already doing is too difficult to be done

[@bluesfan6862]

@@Jeddinstop being dramatic. EVs run off 60% fossil, 20%nuclear, the batteries are extremely toxic to mine(done in mostly poor non-environmentally regulated countries), and the batteries are very difficult to recycle. When you drive off the lot in a brand new EV, it’s done about as much damage to the environment as if you had drove 100k miles on a gas engine. I am not against EVs, but I am certainly against the current propaganda the gov. Is using to push them. Evs have been around just as long as ICE vehicules and there is a reason we have gone w gas vehicals, as it is much more efficient.

[@Jeddin]

@@bluesfan6862 you are the one being dramatic with “the batteries are very difficult to recycle”. Look at the interviews with Redwood Materials founder Jeffrey Straube former Tesla confounded who started the battery recycling company in 2017. Their tech demonstrates 95% efficiency in ev battery recycling. However they have been mostly recycling laptop and cellphone batteries as they just can’t source enough EV batteries. The supposed EV battery environmental Armageddon has never happened. The batteries are lasting in cars much longer then expected. And when they reach end of life they are being reused as stationary battery storage since an EV battery end of life is 30-40% degradation but 60% of a 40-90 kWh battery is more then plenty for stationary storage.

[@lawrencejelsma8118]

​@@bluesfan6862... There's another problem they let slip out of their mouths. A recycled battery pack going into a new car? New car buyers aren't going to be purchasing a new battery tested from "new" but having to have older Lithium cells with refurbished other cells to really have miles driven and recharged on a new car sold? I'm glad I'm not getting scammed by accepting a new car with refurbished electric cell battery packs that already come with less miles to go on them because refurbished is miles already driven and recharged with what's there. 😬

[@K5junkie]

Love this topic! Can CNBC interview CEOs from American Batt, Redwood, etc??

[@craigbushon4414]

Since there owned by Cox probably not.

[@kuremaClaimer]

0:53 Time for a new bookshelf, John. By the way, apart from the point of resources, the recycling of batteries is critical for EVs. This is because the carbon footprint of battery production is greater than that of gasoline vehicles and, depending on the mileage, is inherently bad for the environment. If EVs become popular in the future, the supply of recycled batteries will greatly exceed the demand, and we can expect the spread of inexpensive products that use them. For example, cheap electric motorcycles with poor battery life, emergency batteries for home use, power stabilization of renewable energy, etc.

[@Native722]

Batteries have to be environmentally friendly or else it defeats the purpose.

[@jessea3165]

Not really, they just have to be environmentally friendlier then what they are designed to replace. Which they are.

[@ElMayo31]

@@jessea3165 Says who? Have you seen forcasted emmisions?

[@jackieboy7577]

@@jessea3165they are substantially more damaging to the environment than oil is.

[@anxiousearth680]

@@jackieboy7577 Source?

[@jackieboy7577]

@@anxiousearth680 lithium fields

[@peterforan5982]

Great initiative 👍

[@chesstictacs3107]

0:46 - That guy’s Dracula-like laughing though lol

[@danielocegueda4399]

Another great video! Love learning about this stuff

[@ChannelNews1]

as a mechanic I discuss the problems with electric cars in depth on my home page vid

[@templar1694]

What the world should do now is to create a standardized form factor for this batteries in every category possible.

[@Chinhnguyen0497]

when I replace the batteries for any vehicle I always keep the old batteries. it's still valuable

[@_andrii_u]

Hope they can automate the process a bit in future, looks so manual, esp. vs. production of this bat packs

[@kazedcat]

It is very hard to automate when the batteries come in different shape, size and chemistry. When battery cost drop enough it will be cheaper to just shred everything and refine the scraps.

[@bobdebouwer7835]

Maybe IDRA can make a giant vacuum to dismantle it. I'm just pondering on how they should name that

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

🔋♻️🔋Redwood battery recycling 🔋♻️🔋

[@sngs9565]

Finally....some glimpse of answer! This area always been grey whenever we ask, what happens to EV batteries once it ends its lifecycle...Thank you..👏👏👏👏👏

[@gridjac]

It would seem like there would be a bigger market for recycling the material. As battery technology improves and changes, putting these packs back into their original form wouldn’t seem the best course of action. I like the idea of the upgrading to current specifications, but that doesn’t necessarily mean to the newest and best chemistries out there. Of course, there will always be a need for older batteries so we can have a thriving used car market as well. Finding the right balance, I suppose, is the tricky part.

[@ProXcaliber]

I think long term, this will bring down the price of batteries overall and thus make things like EVs cheaper, since the battery is often the most expensive component. If we can get the price low enough for these process, then I think the idea of buying a used car may change to buying a “refurbished” car, similar to how you can buy other refurbished electronics now.

[@Freshbott2]

Recycling still consumes energy and has externalities that need to be accounted for. Degraded range in a car might make it unsuitable but reusing those packs in a domestic or industrial setting that don’t have the same size/weight constraints is cheaper and has fewer inputs than turning an old battery into a new one. That should be the first resort. Reprocessing should be the last one when a cell is *completely* degraded. The same happens by default in hybrids. A full EV with 80% of original capacity might be unusable. But a hybrid with the same is not worth worrying and most owners would have zero idea and not notice a degradation in fuel economy. Degraded cells are not dead cells. There are Priuses out there from 2000s with an absurd amount of kms on the clock but they’re still going strong.

[@SimplyLivingBri]

Reduce. Reuse. Recycle.

[@68johnny54]

Right now, the only Cobalt Mine/Refinery in the United States is In Idaho. It's scheduled to begin production In the coming weeks.

[@aidencomstockis8869]

$ABML - I’m glad I can scoop this up under $1. ESG lithium mining is the future. As is EV battery recycling. This company will be a leader in both! $ABML 🚀 💵

[@edwardchiang4223]

A company called Moment Energy is focused on repurposing these EV batteries and has deployed them for years across North America to reduce diesel consumption! These companies make sure new lithium isn't required to be mined for stationary storage applications as recyclers still need a lot of work to make their processes economically and environmentally sustainable.

[@rocketsurgeon11]

I don't agree with SNT *NOT* selling directly to the consumer. They are not helping the end consumer by only selling to manufacturers or dealerships and this is not helping the case for EV's. We NEED the "right to repair" to be enforced, and part of that is companies like this actually selling directly to consumers.

[@davidspencer7585]

Man... CNBC, You guys rock. Its so refreshing to see a big corporate owned media organization doing such amazing work. Keep it up!

[@SoumitraSane]

A cnbc how much energy is needed to seperate cobalt,nickel, etc from black mass ?

[@thesayn3ver]

They didn't say any of the black mat was being sorted back into individual minerals. True recycling was a last resort. The majority of what they are doing is swapping in new cells into these damaged and degraded packs. The true recycling is still a mystery. And one pack catches fire and that whole warehouse is torched. They have probably hundreds tons of shredded plastic that is going to the landfill. And who wants a half shot battery for their renewable energy storage? This reminds me of plastic recycling currently. We spend tons of money and energy gathering and sorting, but the majority goes into the landfill without and true recycling occurring.

[@Maverick_42]

I'm not sure where all those batteries are coming from, but imagine a big chunk are from accidented cars that are marked total loss by the insurer. With more EVs being sold, the total loss numbers will only increase and more batteries will come the facility for a check-up and repair. Business should be booming even before the natural EOL of the EVs on the road happens.

[@ronbennett7885]

Even a fender bender can result in the car being totaled out by insurance due to battery damage. Also, extremely high risk of spontaneous fire sometimes afterwards. Putting used battery cells in new batteries amplifies the risk. EVs are promising, but very expensive to own. More durable and safer batteries are needed.

[@ChitFromChinola]

Propaganda. Nice try. Propaganda. Try again.

[@ProXcaliber]

I'm more than positive I've seen even modern cars catch fire during crashes that aren't EVs. The difference here is that battery technology IS improving already, whereas ICE vehicles are pretty much at their peak in terms of development and efficiency. To see this, you have to look no further than Formula 1, the most efficient cars there are. Also, if you want to go on a deep dive about batteries and safety, you can search here or on Google for solid state batteries, which is most likely going to be the next generation of batteries for EVs. Currently, they offer about double the capacity, a faster charge rate, can handle a wider range of temperatures (-4F - 140F), and most importantly are also much safer when damaged.

[@dannydaw59]

​@@ChitFromChinola It's true that insurance companies are totaling out electric vehicles because of a little damage to them.

[@danielcarroll3358]

@@dannydaw59 That is because at this time they don't have enough information about what repairs can be done to a battery if there is +any+ damage. So they don't take chances. This will change with time and experience.

[@danielcarroll3358]

@@ProXcaliber Every 18 minutes there is a car fire in the US, and those aren't mainly EVs.

[@glennjames7107]

What percentage of the battery is recyclable ? Remember the plastic recycling myth ? What percentage of plastics are recycled? Hardly any. You can't recycle the toxic parts. Lithium, cobalt, etc.

[@timhaley3459]

Batteries are being recycled, but only in the last 100 years, has there been any real effort to recycle products, such as with the automobile, creating "salvage yards" (or what some call "junk yards", which is not accurate), but even this fall far short of real recycling. But when God made the universe, he incorporated "recycling technology" with its framework, so that the universe will last forever. For example, there is "the water cycle", whereby water is evaporated and remains in the atmosphere for some ten days and then dropped as rain somewhere on the earth, and as Ecclesiastes 1:5-7 shows. And there is the recycling of dead trees, for when they die, they are either consumed by termites and other insects, such as ants and the bark beetle, so that the wood is broken down and returned to the earth to be reused again as a new tree or some other plant. In Africa, dung beetles recycle elephant dung or manure, while bacteria also breaks down manure of all sorts, recycling it for use again and again. And what about such "chemical element" as uranium, especially "spent uranium" that are at the core of "nuclear reactors" in making electricity ? It too, is recycled, of uranium-234 as having a half-life from 250,000 years, eventually turning into non-radiating lead by radioactive decay of uranium and thorium through radon, while uranium-235 has a half-life of about 700 million years, while uranium-238 has a half-life of about 4.5 billion years.(Note: "half-life" means "the time it takes for one half of the atoms of a particular radionuclide to disintegrate (or decay) into another nuclear form", source: website, evs.anl.gov/uranium, Argonne National Laboratory) Over time, everything returns to its basic elemental state, breaking down until there is nothing left of the original product, as God, whose name is Jehovah (see Isa 12:2, KJV) designed the material universe to be "recycled", so that it will remain forever to be enjoyed by the "meek" ones who will inherit the earth as their everlasting home, after it is transformed into a paradise, and that will remain pristine forever, in which the commercial system that produces EV batteries (as well as the religions of the world and the realm of politics) will soon cease to exist.(Jer 25:29-33; Ps 37:11, 29)

[@ragnarocking]

Proud shareholder of ABTC since just under $.10 per share.

[@nnnnjljeueueh]

ABTC looks great

[@bencrilly209]

We already use a recycling program it’s called used tesla batteries for solar storage ..I got 16 right now charging off the sun..there’s not going be that much of a need ..

[@ProXcaliber]

Not everyone has solar panels on the roofs yet, and for some it might be cost prohibitive to even install. We will eventually likely also reach a point where there are more batteries than we can reasonably use, and that is where programs like this will come in handy. And as mentioned in the video, this will probably also bring overall battery costs down.

[@billkohl449]

They go to Redwood Materials- JB Straubel a former Tesla Executive

[@RM-rh3mz]

Who likes to burn batteries and call it recycling 😂

[@datboijw1361]

American Battery Technology Company has many ex-Tesla employees (who built/designed battery cell components of the Tesla gigafactory). They also have higher yields from recycling than Redwood, lower costs to recycle, and don't burn batteries (feels pretty dumb to burn to recycle). Not to mention they have facilities right down the street from the gigafactory. Check them out, pretty cool stuff.

[@hammertime89]

“Subsidary” 5:30

[@brianswille]

So what about the black mass and what that takes to deal with? Seems to have missed an important issue.

[@davidhowland4499]

Black mass is the minerals that you need to remake the battery. It’s the anode and cathode materials. The black mass is what makes this service valuable

[@brianholloway6205]

Omg. The people who need to see this won’t, but this is not only amazing human ingenuity but it is what happens when capitalism works.

[@Seppy39]

there's still one thing..... most of these company is operating in the US & EU.... does US & EU would really allowed other country exporting what basically their waste into their border? because i doubt that since most of them ship their waste to developing countries, shipping by Air? i doubt that would be... safe? or do they have diplomatic exemption to promote these things?

[@bobdebouwer7835]

They should put in more foam, so we can use it as a matrass

[@Top12Boardsport]

Actually they don’t die at least not all the cells at once. Disconnect the bad once balanced the pack and you can drive on. We need to get into service batteries.

[@JobeRoberts]

Are Sodium-ion batteries like the ones used in JAC cars easy to recycle as claimed?

[@JSM-bb80u]

2:07 manganese and graphite aren't critical minerals

[@enzmondo]

He just threw Tesla under the bus. I admire him for that.

[@kimguy4159]

All I heard was they can create a mush of Li and a dozen other contaminants but no ideas as to how to economically separate them

[@grambo1980]

Also great piece. Glad someone did it. So much bad information out there on social media.

[@nelsonpun]

Standardizing the design of ev battery packs would make this process more streamlined.

[@FlyingArtz.]

STOP MENTIONING GM!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT LEADING THE EV CHARGE!!!!

[@super_hero2]

why is the new ev battery rate at 12-15 while the reuse one at 5-30. The lower bound make sense but the upper bound is odd. Somehow they extend their lifetime after refurbishing?

[@imakevideos5377]

because they are being used for different purposes, inside an ev there is much higher power demand from each cell whereas for a stationary aplication the power demand and recharging is smaller thus they have even lower degridation when they are reused. Also, they replace the most damaged part of the pack, because often their are individual cells in a battery pack that have much higher degridation than the others. If you replace the degraded cells the battery can almost act as if its brand new.

[@georgeevanick40]

Imagine the environmentalist’s response 100 years ago if you told them internal combustion engines only have a lifecycle of 8 - 10 years, there is no assurance they can be recycled and 300 million vehicles will be manufactured within a few years.

[@ab3000x]

Cobalt and nickel are worth a lot of money but are not in Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries. Sodium will replace lithium (lithium is pricey but the price has been dropping quickly but it'll never be as cheap as sodium) in many batteries in the near future. Graphite will be replaced by silicon in many applications. Sulfur will, most likely, be part of the chemistry and they'll be a need for it long term. Extracting sulfur from batteries will become more important as oil refineries shut down (yellow cake sulfur is a byproduct of refining petroleum mostly but sulfur is kind of rare on the planet in its raw form unless you're near a geyser/hot spring or volcano. Using cheaper and more common minerals is good news for the environment but bad news for recycling companies' profits. Small batteries like in smartphones and tablets will, most likely, need lithium, cobalt, and nickel for the foreseeable future - they're small but you could probably fill that warehouse with spent phone batteries. I believe that even if the pricey minerals are phased-out the need for recycled material will still be there. Lead acid batteries are the #1 recycled item in the U.S. and this may replace them at the top. It's great to have another video to share with the ignorant mouth-breathers who claim "EV batteries are dumped in toxic pits" or whatever other lies they're being fed.

[@shekharmoona544]

Canada is processing cobalt through leftover silver mine refuse. Electra battery materials is probably going to be around $5 a share by 2030.

[@SIRLEE]

And BYD was not featuring in the discussion just 1 year ago!!!! 😅

[@MichaelSkinner-e9j]

People are investing in lithium and electric batteries, and that’s fine, but the bigger thing is what happens for when they are done? The bigger thing in my mind is recycling and making sure that they do not pollute our waterways- and we are going to have to safeguard the environment and keep it out of landfills. The biggest problem isn’t making lithium batteries, it’s all the e-waste and battery waste that is coming

[@daviyen]

There is nothing wrong with pointing out that Tesla is bad at paying their vendors.

[@hugokatz]

You say SNT handles 15,000 batteries a month. The guy you interviewed said they get 50 to a 100 a day. At 30 days of 100 that's 3000 batteries. If it's the lower number it would be 1500. Did you just add a zero to get the 15,000 number?

[@carlosjimenez630]

That’s good. But ION battery still cheaper mineral, take over lithium.

[@Fuzzle1985]

Former Tesla executive has Elon's blessing running a company that aims to recycle Tesla's old batteries. This is a nascent industry and more will sprout up the more people adopt EVs.

[@vhex61]

Sad fact, only a small percentage of recyclable plastics in the recycling bin actually get recycled. The rest gets dumped to third world country for landfill. So… I’m just as “optimistic” about battery recycling too :)

[@Maverick_42]

Plastic is worth nothing; batteries are full of valuable materials. They'll get recycled, unless these materials aren't valuable in the future. Which I doubt.

[@Lena-vw6ye]

China is buying up Lithium because they're the greatest producer of batteries. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the US going out of it's way to block other countries from buying key technologies to produce. Imagine if China refused to sell batteries to the US, the US would be outraged because of their control over batteries, but China still continues to produce.

[@TheNewMediaoftheDawn]

That was an interesting piece, obviously dealing with the end of life EV battery technology is paramount…

[@samsonsoturian6013]

"300 million EVs expected to be on the roads by 2030." I remember when it was expected that "20% of cars on the road will be EV by 2020." We really need to manage our expectations.

[@ProXcaliber]

These were likely global figures. Keep in mind that the USA isn't the world.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@@ProXcaliber Doesn't matter. Not even the people selling EVs are driving EVs.

[@ProXcaliber]

@@samsonsoturian6013 That is because the market is growing. This is why whenever you see a new EV on the market from any brand, they sell out of them immediately and are almost always a waiting game to get more. Basically, manufacturers currently can't keep up with demand because they are so popular. Overall, the market for EVs is growing year over year, and more people are switching to EVs. It's an easy buy when you consider the cost savings on maintenance alone.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@@ProXcaliber Doesn't matter. The market has never and will never meet growth expectations because even the advocacy groups demanding the outlawing of gas vehicles do not drive EVs.

[@mx730md]

are cars even selling ? i though car market was imploding ? who can afford a new ev car when so many have lost good paying jobs in the past year? raising interested rates and inflation ?

[@robevans5222]

ABAT (American Battery Technology) stock has declined more than 60% YTD. I don't own it, but would be very concerned if I did.

[@That_Guy_Miggy]

As a Minecraft player, I wouldn’t mind mining in real life 😂 I love the outdoors, a rock hound too. I live in Southern California, I went hiking the other day and found small pieces of graphite! I’m gonna go back there to do more sampling🥴

[@miguela.sepulveda3771]

A report said that 3,000 children died in Africa working in cobalt mines in 2022. Most of the mines are owned by the Chinese. The lack of security and health guide lines are rampant. Pay and benefits are abusive. Modern day slave work in front of the whole world. Imagine by 2030 how many will die with a 500% increase in EVs.

[@stevenwymor1398]

This assumes that EV battery formulation will remain the same. There are a host of new formulations and designs for EV batteries in the pipeline.

[@ChannelNews1]

as a mechanic I discuss the problems with electric cars in depth on my home page vid

[@ronblack7870]

redwood materials recycles all kinds of lithium batteries . many from stuff like cell phones. i don't see that with these guys.

[@RM-rh3mz]

Redwood burns the batteries. They recycle like China 😂

[@pikasnipe1]

That looks so safe.

[@loughrey101]

I'd never buy these batteries as all that do is swap old dead cells with active cells from other battery packs, so what your left with is a battery pack with lots of old cells that could die at any time, so you pay thousands for the battery pack that will likely go bad within a year or two. It's not a great solution at all and is not at all comparable to a new battery pack.

[@madcow3417]

I agree to an extent. When batteries fail it's often only one cell in the series. If you pull that one out, the rest of the cells are good. If this is a factory new battery pack that failed final testing then the remaining cells are also new, or have been cycled once, so I'm ok reusing them. If it's a used pack then the remaining cells are old. In that case, it makes little sense to me to spend the time and energy to wrap them up into a tightly sealed vehicle pack when another one could go bad at any time. A home battery setup where individual cells could be pulled by the user (or on-site technician) if they underperform makes a lot more sense to me.

[@jerryinmon2731]

People buy them to replace battery packs that have failed and they are a lot cheaper than a brand new one. But you are right that people buying them are taking a gamble but people take these kinda chances ever day.

[@dannydaw59]

There was no mention of warranties on the used batteries but they must have one. Who would buy a used pack without a warranty?

[@Crunch_dGH]

So, what is the recycling state of EV’s largest market, China?

[@patrickbateman1660]

Probably light years ahead of America like pretty much very Chinese industry

[@cyberslim7955]

9:40 T junk and payment terms bad, who would have thought! Junk product = junk business! 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrNiceGuy500]

Some people put them in golf carts and then you can pop wheelies lol

[@Malaki727]

Rebuilt or refurbished batteries shud be discount on a new car and the costumers shud be told that's happening

[@Hans-gb4mv]

New cars get new batteries. Rebuilt/referb is only being done for existing cars. It is possible that a new battery uses recycled materials to make the new batteries, but we are now starting to see that batteries manufactured from recycled materials have a longer battery life compared to a battery made with virgin materials.

[@sethburgess8211]

The vast majority of steel used in cars is recycled steel. Do you get a discount a new car because the steel isn't virgin steel?

[@JT_771]

If someone is just pulling batteries out and re-using them ... then that is absolutely true. No question. However if we're talking re-cycling batteries, as in at the material level ... at that stage the recycled material is equal to newly mined material. Just to clarify.

[@mrd.808]

Maybe this company can share their battery data with insurance companies to help reduce the overall premiums charged against EV owners.

[@_TbT_]

My EV insurance (Europe) is very comparable to an ICE car.

[@Yuu-jf4nl]

Wonderful, next step is standardizing EV batteries.

[@ChannelNews1]

as a mechanic I discuss the problems with electric cars in depth on my home page vid

[@felipericketts]

Reduce Reuse Recycle! I hope they succeed

[@phillyphil1513]

9:38 - TRANSLATION: Elon's good for NOT paying his bills (ask King Charles about his lawsuit).

[@neeljavia2965]

Ok paid hater

[@wolfgangengler8088]

Real "recycling" is precisely reduction of "black mass". The reason "reusing" is important is because "recycling" is so difficult and expensive. EV battery production from raw ores produces ~73kg CO2e per kWh of battery, because refining highly reactive metal ores requires huge amounts of GHG intensive graphite and carbon monoxide. Doing a little grade school chemistry, and using diesel equivalents and gibbs energies, a short calculation shows this ~73kg CO2e per kWh corresponds to 290 kWh per kWh or 290 deep cycles energy per battery produced. Current and expected future best practices in recycling "black mass" will save only an inconsequential ~6% of these 73 kg CO2e per kWh and 290 deep cycles per battery GHG footprints. As a scientific fact, normal high quality long range BEV vehicles only drive ~500 times their rated battery ranges in average vehicle lifetimes. The problem with BEV cars is this: on the one hand, marginal efficiency respecting energy may be as high as 80%; but on the other hand, lifetime efficiency is only 500/(290+(500/80%)) = 55%, whereas respective GHG footprint is 290/(290+(500/80%)) = 32%. BEV vehicles and associated GHG footprints will become unsustainable all too soon, with best estimates saying ~30 years until BEV cars will need to be limited or even scrapped altogether. This is because, global vehicle numbers and driving distances keep growing exponentially, with doubling times on the order of ~15 years. Confusing "reusing" with "recycling" may be good marketing by BEV business insiders; but science literacy helps avoid falling into what is really their self-interested "bait and switch" grift. Fixing humanity's long-term GHG footprint will be extremely complex; Switching away from ICE and toward BEV cars may be a good step now; the "black mass" recycling problem, however, shows BEV cars are at best only a stepping stone toward global long-term GHG sustainability.

[@nonopershodem]

Thoughtful and educated comments are in short supply here. Thank you!

[@ProXcaliber]

Wouldn't all this change with improving battery technologies as well as going hand in hand with switching to greener power alternatives (wind, solar, hydro, nuclear, etc.)? From my point of view, it's much more efficient to have one major power plant (even if it's coal) to power multiple vehicles than having a ton of smaller mini power plants (engines) spreading pollution. This is also increased when you consider fuel transportation as well and how much land we use to produce things like ethanol.

[@lyledavis7175]

Great comment! There is a company working on a non- black mass recycling solution!

[@ioniosif6371]

yep, i would like to establish a battery recycling establishment in Romania!

[@devinkenyon553]

this is awesome

[@rilum97]

0:47 Great laugh