God's Not Dead 2: The Escalation of Christian Propaganda | Big Joel

In this video, I examine the film "God's Not Dead 2". It's a peculiar little film, one that builds on the ideas of its predecessor and explores new rhetorical territory. I kinda like it, honestly. Cw: child abuse
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[@TheZeroNeonix]

Movie 1: Evil atheist teacher pushes his religious views on his students. Movie 2: Good Christian teacher pushes her religious views on her students.

[@stellaraevum799]

TheZeroNeonix Except neither occurred.

[@stellaraevum799]

John Daedalus That's what they would have you believe but in the first movie the teacher was not an atheist because he believed in a god and in the 2nd movie the teacher did not push her religious beliefs, she was just talking about religious beliefs in a historical context.

[@stellaraevum799]

John Daedalus Yeah, the 1st one seems to make the claim that all atheists believe in the Christian God but hate him. Which would mean they would not be atheists by definition.

[@stateyourthesis]

Christianity = hypocrisy

[@matthew_natividad]

Stellar Aevum n some but hurt parent took it to court

[@thevoidlord1796]

"Love your enemy" *The previous movie* : Athiest teacher is hit by a car, and this is framed as a good thing. Islam is evil.

[@Maksie0]

They should make another God's Not Dead movie about the good Christian motorist who just goes around killing atheists with his car to save their souls.

[@regularguy2807]

Islam is evil but then again so is Christianity.

[@Scanny524]

@@Maksie0 God's Not Dead 4: Jesus Takes the Wheel

[@Yash-lx5xr]

@@regularguy2807 both religions are completely fine

[@christopherobrien6352]

@@regularguy2807 no religion is inherently evil but Evil people use religion in evil ways.

[@monicajohnston8034]

I love how oppression according to Christians is just not being able to push their beliefs on others. Like no one is telling you that you can't believe in God or you can't go to church--you aren't oppressed.

[@LoisyAbigail]

This is so true. Having grown up in a dominantly Christian city, one of the doctrines ingrained in us is to "go out and spread the word - no matter what". I've long since become an agnostic, but you can't find me trying to convert others just for the LOLs. Man I hope my parents don't attribute my depression to my agnosticism.

[@zawardo2229]

@@LoisyAbigailIf they say that then say you're depressed because you were Christian for so long

[@curatedhub263]

THIS!!!! I wish this was Reddit so I could save this glorious comment!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@yourladbrennen3130]

@@curatedhub263 you could always screenshot it (:

[@pheonix5597]

1:48 - well, if they were already discussing MARTIN LUTHER KING then its not like the subject of GOD and RELIGION were IRRELEVANT. After all, HE happened to be a RELIGIOUS guy. Hell, he was even a REVEREND and GOD does figure quite a bit in his famous speeches (like "My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the LORD" for example).

[@LegacyProVideo]

There’s nothing wrong, necessarily, with a teacher briefly bringing up their belief in a deity. Buy that’s not what the secular world is trying to combat. As an atheist, being told during class that we should all “pray for the lives that were lost” on the anniversary of 9/11, and then being given a dirty look from my Italian teacher when I’m the only student to not put my head down... that’s what is wrong. I shouldn’t be shamed for not feeling comfortable praying in the middle of class to a god I do not believe in.

[@LegacyProVideo]

@Brett Wagland Explain what you mean by “gender ideology”. I honestly don’t know what you mean.

[@hellothere-bo7bn]

Yeah I don’t see why these people are acting like atheists would start a riot if this actually happened

[@EmmaDilemma039]

@@hellothere-bo7bn there's probably not enough atheists around to start a riot 😂

[@ghintz2156]

Exactly this. I've had coworkers push Christianity on their students far worse than this movie shows with no reprecussions. Hey if they want to bring religion to class I'm game. Hinduism, Satanism...I'll read from everything.

[@lawsonj39]

Right--and I've had the same experience as a teacher, too: some idiot principal forcing everybody at a faculty meeting to bow in prayer.

[@nateputerbaugh5709]

The funniest part of this film is them pretending that anyone in Alabama would sue if someone was teaching the bible in the classroom

[@selfcompassionate]

exactly

[@chalkkish]

Yeah honestly

[@seandevine5836]

This comment has 666 likes right now so i refuse to like it

[@HelvetioJRGaming]

@@seandevine5836 you can come back and like it now

[@smolclaire2697]

wait the setting for this movie is alabama? i honestly thought it was arkansas because of the arkansas flags in the court room and it made me laugh thinking about a case in arkansas of christians being prosecuted for speaking their beliefs when we literally have a law here in arkansas that lets christians discriminate against LGBTQ people on the basis of their beliefs... its just so opposite of how arkansas actually is lol

[@ravivdlin9412]

"In the name of tolerance and diversity I say we destroy her" real subtle writing guys

[@taski1]

scary accurate now, though. It's just not coming from the people they want it to come from.

[@robnor1029]

@@emetrxgaming3480 you should seek help for that stroke you apparently endured whilst writing your comment. At least then you have an appropriate excuse for saying something so insanely idiotic

[@supermutantsam1160]

I honestly wish they jut went all in and had him say something like “I proclaim to be tolerant, and yet, I am intolerant of intolerance. What a hypocrite I have revealed myself to be!” just so the little evangelical kiddies can follow along

[@jnyerere]

Subtlety is not a strong suit for these people.

[@TheAngryXenite]

@Blaster Master Tolerance doesn't mean the same thing we mean in modern times in that phrase. Aristotle said "tolerance," but he meant "complacency." (Ie not tolerance of, say, religious minorities, but closer to tolerance for pain or suffering) If you think Aristotle was complaining about those damned Hellenic libtards and their acceptance of minorities, you don't know a damn thing about Ancient Greece. Most places were rather massively xenophobic, so it's unlikely anyone in Greece would adopt acceptance of foreigners as a virtue for their philosophers to criticize.

[@gabrielwguevarra]

Atheists irl: "Yeah, y'know, I just never really believed in a god. You can believe what you want though." Atheists in Christian movies: "I HATE JESUS, AND WE'RE GONNA USE OUR POWER IN THE SECULAR SYSTEM TO BAN CHRISTIANITY AND CONTROL YOUR MINDS"

[@izd4]

atheists in christian movies are so much funnier than the real us

[@mrboerger1620]

Which is ironic because Christians have more power than atheists well anyone religious.

[@brandonallen2369]

This comment is gold

[@noel090909]

But if there’s no straw man, it’s not a fundie Christian propaganda film.

[@brandonallen2369]

@@noel090909 truer words have never been spoken

[@Katie-hj5eb]

One interesting thing about this is that they reversed how the trial would work. It makes absolutely no sense for the school to sue the teacher, there is nothing to gain from that. Instead they would fire her for not agreeing to keep religion out of the class and the teacher would have to sue the school. Of course that would make Christian the big shadowy organization and can't have that.

[@hoppytoad79]

If she's tenured, they'd have to deal with the union and that would be A Thing, but other than that...

[@Katie-hj5eb]

@@hoppytoad79 yeah but the union would still be the one suing the school in that scenario

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@Katie-hj5eb Culture is literally changing and Media reflects that but Media is also the Cause, cause it's all symbiotic. For example, Quotes from the 12.Doctor: "Oh, the Mechanized Space-Suits malfunction and attack us? That's funny cause that means we're like Anyone-else Everywhere-else: We're fighting the Suit!" 12.Doctor:"What makes you feel so superior? It it the good House? But Human-Progress isnt measured by Industry, it's measured by looking at a Life. An unimportant Life... a life without privilege. 13.Doctor: "OMG, OMG, OMG, have you heard of Space-Amazon? Amazon is so epic, everyone who disagrees with that is a literal PIG. We should all stop criticizing Amazon forever." I kid you not, they said that. Holy Penguin, wtf.

[@jeremyf6821]

⁠@@Katie-hj5ebHahaha, that’s so funny. A union? In Alabama?

[@tristonanan]

God's Not Dead: A teacher shouldn't talk about their own religious beliefs in the classroom, or even hint at it. God's Not Dead 2: Unless that teacher is an evangelical Christian!

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 if you believe in nothing than you believe in something

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 if you believe that there is no creator that is a belief that is how that works, you have a belief regardless whether or not you think you do or not

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 ?, Wha... no. I have no idea where you got that.

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 yeah therefore atheists have a belief

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 on another note it didn't explode it expanded rapidly yes there different

[@je19662008]

Evangelicals get off on the belief that they're being persecuted because it justifies their "holier than thou" attitude and makes them feel like they're walking in "the righteous path of jeezus."

[@woweewow4323]

je19662008 exactly. Very hypocritical, they still act like it’s 64 AD when they aren’t any better.

[@Entropicembrace]

@Vulpes Inculta Yea, every conservative ive met.

[@gsnaponfire]

je19662008 speaking as a former christian, I definitely believed the world was against me, which was weird because I have always been an optimist who believed individual people did care about each other regardless of their beliefs, they were just misguidedly following a worldview at war with christianity.

[@yosquispie159]

I hate all the “I’m being persecuted” Christians, living in the US. The only Christians being persecuted are like missionaries in Christian hostile countries

[@MonicaCarden]

They think they are persecuted because not everyone is gonna act like they want them to act and because they want to put their beliefs in politics but cant (not entirely thankfully) "Ahhhh I'm being persecuted because I cant make homosexuality and abortion illegal"

[@WhiteScorpio2]

A student prepares to go to class. Another student, topless, adressess her: "You're beautiful. I wish you didn't have to hide that".

[@psy2mentor]

I've actually seen that movie... 😉

[@frostyguy1989]

*Careless Whisper Intensifies*

[@otherworlder9032]

Free the nipple.

[@rvank8037]

I'm a Christian and this movie greatly concerned me. Watched it with Christian family and afterwards I asked them if they thought it was realistic and they said "yes"! So the propaganda works. It should be noted that the movie concludes with a long list of cases regarding Christianity in schools, giving the viewers proof that this persecution is "real". When you look them up they are mostly small instances where students fought to have a Bible study club or something like that. Not one teacher fired.

[@useroffline9999]

“Everyone knows she’s a Christian...it makes everyone feel awkward ” the teacher lady says in a southern accent...a place from which most people are Christian and conservative . Why would she be made uncomfortable by Christians if she grew up in the south? This is just another ridiculous stretch of the persecution complex

[@SnakeMan448]

There's this bizarre thing with persecution complex Christians. Somehow the USA isn't majority Christian and that there aren't any aggressive Christian movements and politicians trying to push their "values" (read: discrimination and abuse) into government.

[@jnyerere]

Every Marginalized Group: We just wanna be treated like human beings. White Christian Southerners: We just wanna be oppressed.

[@chrism8180]

I mean I guess those who live in Alabama basically have to believe in God to cope with the fact that they live in a poverty stricken corrupt hellhole

[@useroffline9999]

CzarJuliusIII LMAO 😂

[@DavidCurryFilms]

As a Christian it REALLY bothers me that these American Christian movies have such a reductionist view of atheists, LGBTQ, Muslims etc. It kind of betrays a lack of understanding as to why people who don't hold their beliefs have made that choice (if you'd call it a conscious choice). Maybe they grew up in a toxic church, maybe they were abused by a priest, maybe they couldn't handle the hypocrisy of the evangelical right etc (these scenarios could make an appearance if the movie were remotely honest) For one thing - making them look stupid or nasty is hardly the kind of attitude that would make a non believer think "yeah, I can trust these people". Another thing is the relentless pursuit by some to backpedal or muddy the waters of science, instead of dealing with the implications of new scientific understanding (evolution, geology, astrophysics). By trying to empirically prove God's existence at every opportunity you leave no room for faith 🙈

[@psychobillyboschit]

"Let's say I talk about the Quran" Ominous music builds

[@littlefieryone2825]

"You're beautiful." *doodle-do*

[@altromonte15]

@@littlefieryone2825 Imagine the same scene with a nun, "you're beautiful, you shouldn't cover yourself and live in a monastery, being a nun is wrong." christians would be the ones outraged in a matter of minutes.

[@DanCicala]

@@altromonte15 Nuns are mostly a Catholic thing, so evangelicals wouldn't hesitate for a second to shit on it.

[@tim..indeed]

It's at 9:05

[@gobarn1877]

@@tim..indeed thanks

[@mr16325]

I like how the first move gets mad at an atheist teacher pushing his view on the class, but makes a movie praising a teacher for pushing her theist views

[@nateclipps]

RIGHT

[@hoppytoad79]

Makes total sense when you consider the source of the movies: Conservative Christians. A Big Nasty Atheist is TOTALLY different from a Sweet, Harmless Christian! ;) The teacher wasn't aggressively pushing her views in the second film, not that you'd know that from how the school reacted. *rolls eyes* No school would do that IRL, of course--wouldn't try to sue her or to fire her, or anything, because contrary to what the Constitutionally-ignorant believe, answering a student's question with a Scripture quotation that's relevant to the lesson isn't illegal. Discussing Hinduism in relation to Gandhi wouldn't be illegal. Comparing and contrasting Christianity and Hinduism is totally legal. If the teacher assigned an essay on why Christianity is superior to Hinduism (or vice versa), *that* would be illegal/unconstitutional, because it's promoting one religion over another.

[@daisybloom9735]

10:41 I find it hypocritical that they'd show a girl telling a Muslim girl she shouldn't have to hide her face bc she's beautiful. Some Christians would be disappointed if someone was walking around in a bikini. Every religion has it's own set of rules and ways of life. What makes Christian's any better? After all, the Abrahamic faiths are pretty much on the same page on certain things despite their being different ideas of what's modest and yeah different opinions on Jesus's divinity. There's just a cultural difference.

[@Mai-wm7pv]

People really dont understand boundries lmao. I wouldn't tell a girl wearing less clothes to cover up, cuz it's none of my business, and I expect the same from strangers.

[@mcxlii]

@@sofiasfae1846 it isn't actually. it does say that women should cover their head (in church) but there's very little christians who do that nowadays. the amish and mennonites for example do do this, they actually cover their head at all times. some catholic women veil themselves with mantillas in church.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@mcxlii I think the Apostolic do too. They do not believe in the "accepting Jesus" doctrine. Their belief on Jesus is that everyone has always accepted Jesus, but the question is does Jesus accept us.

[@JLittleBass]

Yeah. I mean, in "GNotD1" the pro-God guy says something like "Yay God because if you believe in God then all your rules about morality are directly derived from God", which, if you think about it, is obviously ridiculous. As soon as you start thinking about different groups of people all saying, "This is the right rule of behavior and I know it for sure because God told me in this book", and they're either pointing at different books or they're pointing at the SAME book and deriving completely different conclusions, it's extremely hard not to notice that these are all just people making their best guess, and if God was ever "there", he left the room a long time ago and left it to all of us to figure out how we're supposed to be acting. I mean, there are hundreds of versions of Christianity, all with their own rules and interpretations of what "God" thinks is "right behavior". Even if someone's got the right idea, 99% of them are probably wrong, but they're all using the same argument, "This is what God says he wants," to back up their ideas. You may as well admit that your ideas on what's right and wrong are YOUR best guesses. Even if you decide to believe in the authority of a particular interpretation of a particular sacred text, it's still YOU who is deciding that that authority is the one that ought to be trusted, so ultimately all your faith is really in yourself. Any time anyone says, "I believe in ___", they're really saying "I believe in my own ability to put my faith in the right book or rule or institution or ideology," i.e., "I believe in myself."

[@DAEsaster]

But don't you know, cultural differences are evil and should be replaced through use of missionaries

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

„In the name of tolerance and diversity, I demand that we destroy her!“ Holy shit, this movie is the funniest thing ever. Is that really what evangelists think progressives are like?

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

+AnxiousGary I was half expecting Alex jones to bust into the courtroom and save the day by selling her some supplements xD

[@senatorbencarson33]

It’s not too far off

[@404usernotfound_]

Sherlock Smuuug Sounds like a magical girl exclamation 😂

[@GeneralPublic]

@Temporicidal True! In the magical girl anime, the magical girls are always yelling out things like “Peace and Love Pretty Nuclear Genocide Break!” for their attacks. Gotta love anime. Then again it isn’t just magical girls who have attacks like that, even the mecha anime Gurren Lagann where most of the mecha pilots are guys has attacks with names like “I Have The Best Wife In The Universe Punch!” and “Super Brotherly Combining Giga Drill Break!” Still, I gotta love it when I see a magical girl anime and some little girl in a dress waves a pink magic wand and then a giant heart-shaped hole is blasted through, I dunno, the moon or something. The moon is always getting destroyed in anime. Why do anime directors hate the moon so much?

[@thomasnewton8223]

Senator Ben Carson no it completely is off. In no sensible classroom would talking about Jesus or the Bible in literary terms be considered “bringing religion into the classroom” because the Bible (and other religions) is the most influential piece of literature ever written. So talking in a literary sense and analyzing the messages within the text is never prosecuted. Never recently has there been a time when people have advocated for people to not be allowed in the classroom on the basis that they are religious. What evangelicals don’t understand is it isn’t talking about the Bible for historical context wrong, but pushing religion on those who are in a vulnerable classroom setting wrong. If the teacher followed up her statements on Jesus with “and that’s why you should all become Christians” then yes that’s a problem because she’s blatantly trying to indoctrinate her students. But never have I heard of people being fired from positions on account of religious beliefs outside a classroom and never in any court of law would a statement like that be taken with any seriousness. It’s all just to perpetuate this idea that religion is being persecuted which it isn’t at all. It’s open to public ridicule but not in school settings, and not when it comes to fair treatment in employment, housing, or any area of life where people get fair treatment.

[@youtubezcy]

Love thy enemy. Unless you're making a movie. Then go nuts with dishonest arguments and bad-faith political narrative.

[@hannavignolo6454]

f the enemy

[@ChrisTopherBunnell]

@@hannavignolo6454 go back to bingo grandma.

[@ChrisTopherBunnell]

@@hannavignolo6454 f old farts that create enemies where they don't exist and send the younger generation to invade and kill innocents. You are >not welcome< for my service (iraq)

[@maxskellington910]

@@ChrisTopherBunnell I mean I agree with you but what does this have to do with anyone.

[@mugogrog]

@@Daniel-mw7pu That's interesting :p it's like conservative views and christian fundamentalism have somehow been intertwined (damn you Reagan...). Seriously though, if you take the democrat party platform on gun control and read them off to most reasonable gun lovers they'll agree with every single thing. I've tried this on many of my republican friends. As a fun experiment you can then do the same thing but specifically mention that they are Democrat policies and every single one you ask will all of a sudden disagree. It's magical. Do try at home.

[@bunnynumbers9153]

The plot of this movie is pretty funny considering my biology teacher at a public high school didn't "believe" in evolution and said gay people were possessed by demons. He's one of the most popular teachers at the school.

[@Starman256]

a biologist who doesnt believe in evolution is like a geologist who doesnt believe in tectonic plates. Just embarrassing.

[@AspireGMD]

@@Starman256 Late but or a botanist not believing plants exist.

[@Demiglitch]

@@AspireGMD Big Chlorophyll at work again.

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

DUDE. I'll do you one better since I was taught in a christian school, I have had two biology teachers and one chemistry teacher who denounced evolution. Man, that chem teacher was crazy. He took an entire class period to talk about how the the end times were upon us, and soon the antichrist would descend upon us and rebuild the jewish temple and everyone is gonna be living through the rapture and holy crap man I just wanna learn about atoms.

[@rambofan334]

@@AspireGMD Or a dentist not believing in tooth decay.

[@BakedValkyrie42]

I actually laughed out loud when that guy was like "in the name of inclusion and diversity, I say we DESTROY HER" yes this is a believable person who could exist in real life

[@alastorlapid2365]

It's really just so funny that there are absolutely 0 shits given by Scrappy about Grace keeping her job and not being sued into poverty.

[@rustyshackle8000]

This guy is a fucking Shonen villain, I actually find it hilarious how over the top it is Or I would if ya know, it didn't push Evangelist rhetoric

[@user-uv2cp1qd1j]

@@rustyshackle8000 it’s like that fucking Alex jones clip where he thinks all leftist politicians worship demons and he’s like “destroy the child, corrupt them all”

[@Arlothed1no]

My teacher in a secular school said that I could cure my OCD by praying and that I wasn't autistic, just "possessed". And she didn't get fired.

[@807D14M0ND5]

No follow up at all??

[@Arlothed1no]

@@807D14M0ND5 No

[@807D14M0ND5]

@@Arlothed1no That's a disgrace. I don't know how old you are but maybe it's worth it to discuss this with your parents. Perhaps their complaint will be looked at..

[@Arlothed1no]

@@807D14M0ND5 I'm in college. I give no fucks about that school anymore.

[@Tigershark_3082]

That's a fucking bruh moment

[@alfalafelstine1536]

11:24 That 'You're beautiful' line and the look in the Muslim woman's eyes really make this scene look like a lesbian romance, which probably would have been a better movie.

[@sars910]

And then the Christian white girl would have probably been disowned by her Evangelical parents. Ironic isn't it ?

[@saltoftheegg]

Legit I thought they were gonna kiss

[@thatbadplayer2243]

Holy fuck, give this man 12 million dollars to make this film

[@nicodemusedwards6931]

A lesbian love story between two girls, one from a very traditional Islamic background and the other from an evangelical Christian home does sound like an insightful, heart wrenching, beautiful story about accepting oneself and learning that the people around you, even your loved ones can let you down because so much of love had become so conditional instead of the unconditional love... too bad it will never exist.

[@nerveagent1905]

@@nicodemusedwards6931 imma write it. Happy pride

[@vow4621]

Watching this after KZbinr Telltale got chased out of his town when he called out a public school sex ed teacher for saying "LGBT is wrong because the Bible says so" is peak irony. Really demonstrates the disparity between what Evangelicals think we get mad about, versus the kinds of things we actually get mad about that they will defend. Speaking of, isn't it odd that teaching about LGBT in school at all is seen as endorsing it, but teaching about religion isn't?

[@resolutionblaze363]

"In the name of diversity and tolerance, I say we DESTROY HER!" That sentence is so... unnecessarily intense, it caught me off guard and cracked me up.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Culture is literally changing and Media reflects that but Media is also theCause, cause it's all symbiotic. For example, Quotes from the 12.Doctor: "Oh, the Mechanized Space-Suits malfunction and attack us? That's funny cause that means we're like Anyone-else Everywhere-else: We're fighting the Suit!" 12.Doctor:"What makes you feel so superior? It it the good House? But Human-Progress isnt measured by Industry, it's measured by looking at a Life. An unimportant Life... a life without privilege. 13.Doctor: "OMG, OMG, OMG, have you heard of Space-Amazon? Amazon is so epic, everyone who disagrees with that is a literal PIG. We should all stop criticizing Amazon forever." I kid you not, they said that. Holy Penguin, wtf. And yeah, Critical Drinker's massive Success with his 'Why modern movies s-ck'-video-SERIES speaks for itself. People DO want Quality back.

[@zawrator4457]

Takes on an entirely different meaning too if you imagine a different context

[@Bowtiedhillbilly]

It's so hilariously forced. It weakens the argument and the believability so much, just for the chance of taking a potshot at leftist rhetoric.

[@exileexecutus]

Imagine how ppl would react to a movie called Allah's not dead. LOL

[@chadthundercock4806]

It would start a civil war.

[@marcusrandall4432]

@Luna Lovegood Allahu Akbar 2

[@nongamer1157]

the makers of sharknado haven't made this movie yet?

[@ceggert128]

Lol. You're right. They can't do it BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE MUHAMMEDS REMAINS ARE; THEREFORE CANNOT MAKE THAT KIND OF STATEMENT. JESUS, ON THE OTHER HAND ROSE AGAIN FOR SINNERS AND ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM. THIS MAKES HIM WHAT? OH YEAH.......NOT DEAD!

[@Sealedaway]

Catherine Eggert Uh, are you aware that Muhammed isn’t a god? Muslims believe he spoke to God, not that he is God. Also, turn off you caps lock

[@adoredpariah]

Sabrina the Middle Aged Christian.

[@ECL28E]

Clarissa Tries to Explain Herself

[@diannadennis3055]

I just died laughing

[@EltedyBnguapo]

Girl meets world.... real world... and victimizes herself after that.

[@leebennett1821]

Clariss tries to explain something because someone payed her too

[@theomegajuice8660]

I'd really love to have an audio commentary of Salem talking through this whole film.

[@adeepdive_8205]

To summarize the video: "this movie is a pathetic attempt of representing Christians as an oppressed minority."

[@wargriffin5]

"Our daughter was part of a landmark, Constitutional case against religious education..." College: "Cool. Can you pay our tuition fees or not?"

[@MechMK1]

This is how this scene would play out in real life: Girl: "Isn't that kinda like what Jesus said?" Teacher: "Yes, the idea of 'loving your enemies' indicates a strong commitment to non-violence. Good point. Anyways, where were we? Ah yes, 1916..."

[@skygard49]

Something similar happened in one of my classes

[@humanguyalsoperson7987]

yeah no one would go out of there way to quote the whole thing i mean one of the times i was talking abought religion in math with my friends we were distracting our selves but the teacher was so hesitant to interject at all and tell us to quite down

[@somethingelse4424]

Yes, it would be incredibly easy to teach a history lesson that included Jesus, and historically verified regional events around his lifetime. We could have public school curriculum that addressed the claims of the gospels, and compared them with what is verified by historians and archaeologists, but I suspect that's not what Christians want. I also suspect that it would be even more upsetting to them that their children were being taught to think critically about the scriptures and at the idea that they are not a credible or comprehensive source that are verified and can be considered fact.

[@MilloSpiegel]

@@somethingelse4424 well in my religioun class in high school we went through different evidence of Jesus. We read a letter written by a jewish priest about a man teaching the words of god and claiming to be the son of god. We read a letter from a roamn about a rebellion that was squashed and we read about a letter written by a roman that is best summarized as "There is a weird sect of jews here. They meet every week and talk about there god. We tried beating them until they swore they would not follow there king. Then we found out that it is more of a symbolic king. So we leave them alone. For the most part"

[@somethingelse4424]

@@MilloSpiegel Well, any of those things would be fine by me in a public school curriculum. Those historical accounts themselves don't imply that Jesus was the son of God or that he had any supernatural abilities. They should be presented in the same way that historical accounts of Muhammad would also be, that they were influential figures that started enormous movements and impacted the course of history. Teachers should not suggest or imply without very compelling evidence that any such person spoke to God, that there is a particular God to speak to, or that anyone in history actually performed miracles, or feats that defy physics, and that are unverifiable beyond the testimony of others at the time. Things like that should not be suggested to be true by teachers and certainty not taught as fact. I have no problem teaching these things as "claims made by historical figures", so long as there is adequate context presented.

[@a.holland2262]

I ship the "god is good" minister guys. They're so cute, smiling at each other

[@anxietyyeet9859]

Dont say that Westboro Baptist Church will come for you

[@gezi5927]

anxiety yeet you’re no fun

[@CriscoSnowflake]

My favorite KZbinrs refer to these two as the Biracial pastoral bromance lol

[@chesspiece4257]

Abigail Bird who are the youtubers?

[@CriscoSnowflake]

@@chesspiece4257 Hannah and Jake

[@leticiabernardino6566]

6:50, this anti-academia feeling is real. People from my mom's church started warning me about university when I started law school, to be careful to not become atheist, that professors would make me atheist ( I already was before uni)

[@urockit2011]

Getting into college started the months long warning process of the "evils" of my then future surroundings. What made it worse is that I got into an ivy.

[@SirWeirdGuy]

Meanwhile in the real world, every school worth its salt has a religious studies program, private Christian universities are some of the most funded and respected in the country, and Harvard and Yale have their own divinity schools

[@leticiabernardino6566]

@@SirWeirdGuy I'm not from The united states. But funny thing that religious people used to tell me this and my first year of law school was in a Lutheran College, my father graduated in law in that Lutheran college. In the Federal University I'm in at the moment there are religious meetings, bible study groups etc. Idk where people get these ideas.

[@facuuu2809]

Lol christians and conservatives hate academia and university

[@MattMcIrvin]

I think that college is often the first place that kids feel free to be openly nonreligious, and the people back home interpret that as the school corrupting them.

[@joiceraiana]

As someone who studied in secular schools in a Christian dominated area, I said that Christian teachers have no calms bringing religion into the classroom. I had more than once teachers pointing out aloud that I didn't join the prayers they did in the morning, when I would remind them that I was agnostic/atheist, I had so many different bad reactions. I had classmates calling me names and not being punished for it. I had subtle jabs about my opinions when they'd bring religion during a random subject. The fact that one evangelical teacher tried to convince our class to go "support" one of our classmates who had just became some sort of youth pastor by going to his church (that I later found it was also her church) was sincerely revolting enough for the school finally do something about it, not much since she got back to preaching during class in less than a month. Christians just want to act like the victim.

[@zorosboobies5346]

1:56 no student, on planet earth, sitting in a public school history classroom, would ever ask that question

[@justsomeguywithsunglasses8418]

Eh, unless it is the really weird religious girl. But that girl is far too attractive.

[@tim..indeed]

The best part is afterwards all the students turning heads looking to the front as if they actually cared about the answer.

[@francesca234]

How about that question boils down to asking if the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr maybe was influenced by one of the most well known statements of Jesus Christ? How is this student in an AP class?

[@justsomeguywithsunglasses8418]

@@francesca234 I mean, as far as I am aware the requirements for most AP classes are very low. Some schools just let anyone in them . . . but that is a very different conversation about education in the US.

[@someothername7886]

Eh I think students are capable of asking anything. The reaction from the school would be completely unrealistic because she just answered a question about Jesus in context to what they were learning about in class.

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

I love that Melissa Joan Hart is now doing Christian propaganda. I remember in the 90s when her show was being denounced by Christians as pagan propaganda.

[@DangerKennyB]

Evangelicals welcome washed up celebrities, who themselves welcome, uh, a paycheck. Just ask Kirk Cameron.

[@autobotstarscream765]

And then there's how that particular audience feels about the new Sabrina show... 😂

[@DimaRakesah]

@@aleksszukovskis2074 As a teen growing up while the original Sabrina the Teenage Witch was on TV, and daughter to an Evangelical mom, I can confirm that it was considered pagan propaganda by many Christians.

[@squidcultist0022]

Grifters gonna grift

[@juliahorn3659]

She’ll always be Clarissa to me, and there’s definitely a rose tinge to that.

[@genaroblake319]

you dont need religion to have good morals

[@st3ll497]

And just because you believe in God, doesnt mean you're a good person

[@randomperson8397]

If you only have morale due to the threat of eternal suffering, you are not a good person

[@doritos4956]

​@randomperson8397 I remember one time I was taking what is basically a poem which was talking about morality, and how instead of being good due to fear of hell or law but due to fear of our own moral compass. And my Arabic teachers( school one and private lesson one) were going crazy saying after every sentence that no the poem is wrong we shouldn't follow our own moral compass but be afraid if god and his wrath and not follow our own moral compass

[@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus]

Morality is spooked

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

And vice versa, don't need good morals to have religion. Neither one precludes the other, but neither requires the other either.

[@charlieputzel7735]

These movies are a wonderful example of the straw man fallacy.

[@rovelfox7832]

I'm christain, and I think I can easily say the hardest part of being christain is other christains. Every time I've ever been persecuted for my beliefs it's been by fundamentalist christains

[@santiagogarzon5312]

same man. I've told my family that I'd literally rather have my kids be Jewish than some other forms of Christianity (I'm Catholic)

[@GMNGChristian]

Exact opposite for me. Everytime I've been harrassed or anything even close to persecution is either from militant atheists (just look at this comment section) or people who say they're Christians while getting it all wrong, but screeching at me for holding to Christ's teachings as best I can.

[@she7061]

Losat of the Lord and what are the teachings you follow? are they the ones that promote tolerance and love, or do you subscribe to the vengeful god who for some reason hates gay people? the Bible can be interpreted different ways, so “adhering to Christ’s teachings” is a very broad statement

[@GMNGChristian]

@@she7061 I follow the teachings of Christ (and no, that's not a broad statement; your way would be like sitting in class and re-interpreting what your teacher is saying to fit what you want them to say instead of what they're actually saying, then putting a '10' in front of the zero on your paper so you got 100% instead of failing). If you think "tolerance and love" are either interchangeable or go hand-in-hand then you misunderstand. Would you be tolerant of pedophilia? No? Well that's not very loving of you, is it? If you _are_ tolerant of it, then you're not being very loving to the child-victims of it. The Bible cannot be interpreted different ways when it's being literal. There are only a few books that are open for interpretation (Revelation being one of them), most of the Bible is literal in it's hisoricity and can only be interpreted one way: It's intended meaning. God does not hate gay people "for some reason"; it's been made incredibly clear that we're all sinful and all fall short - don't single gay people out as if they're worse than you - you're just as bad, and so am I. The 'love' that Christ offered was Him telling the truth of everyone's sin and their eternal punishment for it, yet He provided a perfect sacrifice of atonement because we wouldn't be able to. In that sacrifice the punishment for sin is fulfilled. _THAT_ is the love of Christ; not encouraging people to be in perpetual debauchery and hurting others.

[@fendrikdrake3320]

@@GMNGChristian so what you're saying is that it's ok to have slaves. That it's a sin to shave one's head and beard. To stone mediums or children who don't listen to their parents is the right thing to do, by the way I hope you dont wear clothes made out of two kinds of materials, because that's forbidden. The problem, my dude, is that the bible is very long and contains some things you might not know about. And it is sure as fuck not meant to be taken literally.

[@kevley26]

Yet they would never talk about MLK's advocacy for policies like ending poverty. Classic evangelical Republicans.

[@andrewdiaz3529]

Or his super early anti-vietnam war activities

[@lonesavior]

Patch Adams couldn't even keep that advocacy in his movies.

[@dudedaniel1127]

Or his support of socialism.

[@ClassSolidarityNotNationality]

It's cause they love to whitewash him and what he stood for. Ironically if he was alive today they would hate him, because he's a socialist.

[@mrknarf4438]

@@ClassSolidarityNotNationality and because he said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." There's no room for that in today's propaganda: you have to judge by skin colour, the only difference is that now being white is wrong. We're trying to fight racism by being racists against another race, it's so idiotic

[@n0etic_f0x]

This movie's subtext is absolutely insane. To me it sounds like a Christian found someone who is gay said: "Hey I accept the fact that you are gay, but here is an atheist that want to kill and eat all the gays don't you hate atheism and love God now?" and when the person is just like "Well...no. Because that person is insane" they then respond with "Why do you want to be killed and eaten?".

[@Demiglitch]

It's my kink.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@Demiglitch I can get you art commissioned for that.

[@nataliaborys1554]

The most ridiculous thing is that someone would sue a teacher for saying "the writer of the gospel recorded Jesus saying". That implies that she treats it like any other piece of literature. And she says it to draw parallels with another text (speech of MLK), so it's just what you do in literature lessons. You'd have to be insane to sue someone for that.

[@bizmonkey007]

“We’re going to prove once and for all, that God is dead.” They forgot the mustache twirling.

[@digitaldeathsquid3448]

That's because Ray Wise doesn't have a mustache.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

He is dead, he exploded, that is what the big bang was. Better known as SEG Spontaneous Exploding God theory well it is better known if someone reads this because that will be two of us that have heard of it.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

100% increase

[@bulletanarchy6447]

300% increase in one month the fastest growing theology in the world

[@nelsonrodriguez2085]

@@bulletanarchy6447 idk where, but i had already heard of it lmao

[@PebkioNomare]

The ironic part is that if she weren't such a devout, blind, worshiper, she'd see the much more obvious "I was talking about Jesus in a historical context" defense.

[@james-cal]

Pebkio Nomare this movie dumb as shit

[@datmexboi2121]

Bruh moment

[@jayr3id_]

Exactly

[@vannah_04]

Schools banning the teachings of religion literally never happens. I went to a secular public school in the south and I knew people who dropped out, went to homeschooling, or even got into fist fights because people would bully others for not being Christian. Also there was this HUGE club that was dedicated to Christianity. It was like a church for school it was odd.

[@Weightingtablesafter]

I love when movies dont know what a university classroom looks like. What college professor writes whole quotes on the board?

[@jamestown8398]

Is the atheist lawyer really named Peter Cain? I imagine the screenplay writing included a conversation like this: Writer 1: "We still need a name for the evil atheist Lawyer." Writer 2: "How about Peter Iscariot?" Writer 1: "Too on the nose; we should be subtle." Writer 2: "How about Peter Cain? Like Cain who slew Abel?" Writer 1: "Sure, that works!"

[@bazstrutt8247]

Jamestown 😂😂

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

Given that he was basically playing Leland Palmer's private life, is it really that surprising what his name is?

[@msmaria5039]

Christians are not known to be subtle.

[@ozmarichardson6524]

@@geoffreysorkin5774 I'm so curious why he took this role. Power corrupts I suppose.

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

@@ozmarichardson6524 Because he'll take any role that offers a paycheck. Seriously, look at Ray Wise's IMDB. He's a less prolific Eric Roberts. Speaking of which, when the hell is Eric Roberts going to be too good for PureFlix movie and outclass the rest of the actors and the writing?

[@sniffthecactusduh]

Did... did they think Jefferson came up with "separation of Church and State"? It actually stems from this thing called 'the French Revolution' and it became a big hit afterwards.

[@Overquoted]

Every time I hear a Christian denouncing this, I want to throw my hands in the air. They've listened to so much ridiculous propaganda about the secular world actively wanting to destroy Christianity that they lack any knowledge of history. Jefferson and Madison, iirc, were also concerned about politicians using the church to wield power (ie, if you don't back me, then you aren't part of the congregation anymore), and the inherent corruption of the church that would entail (because even back then, politicians and men seeking power were viewed with distrust and distaste). Prayer in school is not banned. Prayer led by principals or teachers, however, is. How would an Evangelical feel if they moved somewhere and their kid had to listen to a Catholic or Jewish prayer led by the principal every morning? Bet they'd be real mad.

[@AV57]

Good point. A lot of American Christians are under the belief that classical liberalism was solely a North American invention. Jefferson’s time as an American diplomat to France played huge role in his political philosophy that kept America from running off the rails in their most vulnerable years when many revolutions wind up spawning several other counter revolutions.

[@flrnGM]

... you got your timeline wrong ...

[@dallasbernhoester500]

The French Revolution occurred after Jefferson and other founding fathers included the separation of Church in state in the US constitution

[@jennyanydots2389]

Yeah, but then they fucked it all up because they're French. Good point though, if you were to ask a random person in America they wouldn't know. As far as the dudes questioning the time line..... F revolution went down in 1789, Thommy Jefferson dropped his 'seperation of church and state' line in 1802. He was a US diplomat over there during the revolution so it makes perfect sense.

[@wishmaker7]

not this movie making an argument that christians aren't allowed to share their views in the classroom when REAL teachers are ACTUALLY getting fired for being gay or teaching about gay history 😭😭😭

[@legg8866]

Christians: "We ArE pRoSeCuTeD bY tHe GoVeRnMeNt" Mormons in the 1800's: "Bruh"

[@literatouristin]

Non-Christians all over the world: "oH nO. hOw dOeS tHaT feeL?!"

[@a.m.keller3241]

Mormons kinda deserved it. They killed a lot of Native Americans, including children, and justified it under their doctrine. At the time they also were encouraging child marriage because Jojo Smith liked his brides young

[@tristanheaton2127]

@@literatouristin non Christians in China yay

[@Josh-ys9gp]

Atheists in the 1600s to present: Bruh.

[@Mar-dk3mp]

Godless alone people: We value as atheism: 0

[@gaillewis5472]

The premise is ridiculous. MLK's Christian principles were the basis for his stance in the civil rights movement. Yes, its historical context is discussed in classrooms. We simply aren't permitted to say, "Here's what I believe and so should you."

[@adamguajardo1853]

She never said that or implied it. She mentioned historical facts and they happened to involve God.

[@someonelastname7542]

It's funny because I went to a small town school where teachers would actually say "this is what I believe and so should you" and literally nothing happened. This movie is complete fantasy

[@theocean1973]

Yes, but MLK was also largely inspired by both the Jain Buddhists’ and Ghandi’s nonviolent activism.

[@maxwellkelly4667]

Islam shifts the focus to God as well, except it doesn’t actually teach that religion should be compelled on someone. Evangelicals try to compel religion.

[@johnfriday5169]

You missed my favorite part. When the teacher's attorney put her on the stand and without her knowledge or consent proceeds to break attorney/client privilege. First Movie= A philosophy professor that doesn't understand philosophy. Second movie= a judge and two attorneys that don't understand the law.

[@maxxvii2037]

I guess christians don't really know a lot things

[@MalcH]

Lmaooo that is hilarious... maybe it’s a way to make the attorney a “martyr” too since certainly breaking this privilege would cause him to be disbarred, or at least censured heavily at minimum. The narrative could’ve tried to twist him into a fictitious “martyr” this way! 😂

[@hecdavid11]

@@maxxvii2037 Coming from a Christian: I profoundly dislike these movies because of 2 main reasons: (1) They spread some very dangerous ideas and concepts about Christianity and atheism (2) They're made by pastors who think they're good filmmakers. *They're not.* And I see Christians praising their film like it's a work of art... No it's not! They have no idea what they're doing!

[@justsam7919]

@@hecdavid11 when the first movie came out my parents bought it and made us watch. I think we made it 15 minutes in, I had to leave because of the cringe. All 7 of my siblings and I have apostasized now, most of us at that point were on the edge of apostasizing. Our parents thought these movies would bring us back or something but nah, they're just awfully cringe. At the time I was still a Christian when the first movie came out, shortly after became a believer in a deistict god. Pureflix failed because their movies only work as an echo chamber for everybody on the same page as they are. For anybody else, it's a giant turn off and an absolute cringe fest. I wouldn't say these movies single handedly made me stop going to church, but they definitely contributed in a meaningful way.

[@hecdavid11]

@@justsam7919 I understand what you're saying about the movie. The first time I saw it I was very young and I fell for a lot of the stuff in it. Upon rewatching it, I realized how catastrophic these movies are trying to accomplish a task of evangelism. You're an example, the thing did the complete opposite and made you eventually turn away from God, which I can understand. That said, I'm still a Christian who believes in Jesus and it makes me sad that you apostasized, I hope someday you get to know Jesus and see that He really isn't the God these movies show, He's much much better than that. All in all, nobody has the right to shove it down your throat, but I really wish you decide to give Him a chance someday

[@stardustflavor4165]

I remember my grandma forced me to watching this movie in 2017 and told me what happened in the movie happened in real life often too, and that "we should stay strong because everyone is against us" Sorry grandma, I'm an atheist... and also... no one is hating on christians for being religious... ;-;

[@AccordingToWillow]

honestly with upwards of 3” of hair showing, the hijabi girl from the first movie really just looks like someone who got to the store before realizing they left their mask at home

[@insinoorii]

lmao that’s what i was thinking, especially with a muslim dad that strict she should be covering all of her body.

[@watsonwrote]

It's hilarious how they don't think students talk about Christianity in universities--as an English and art history major I was up to my eyeballs in Christian texts and poetry. We were literally assigned biblical readings while we tackled Paradise Lost. I spent more time talking about god and jesus as a secular atheist undergrad than I *ever* did before that point. The difference is that we're not looking at is as a part of reality anymore than when we studied Buddhism, Hindu religion, Shinto, etc. Which does not mesh well with an Evangelical perspective. I'm assuming these folks are aware that for centuries Christian centered works were basically the height of music, art and writing so it's only natural that we'd study them? Oh--but having centuries of being the dominant culture doesn't fit into a victim narrative I guess??

[@yilvoxe4017]

Also factor in music classes. The amount of Jesus music I sang in choir as a pagan through High School was absurd. Nobody had any issue with it even in my fairly liberal town. Christian strawmen in movies like this are rarely ever based in reality, hence "strawmen."

[@KarnRulez]

Matthew Watson And that's the problem. It's not treated as reality and as someone who is strongly against secularism, I see a problem with that

[@yilvoxe4017]

KarnRulez Can't tell if this is a troll...?

[@KarnRulez]

Yilvoxe Kardia someone having a different belief then you does not make them a troll

[@rybread1346]

KarnRulez so your Christian beliefs overrule all the other religious and non religious beliefs? That sounds problematic to me

[@UDontTakeMeSeriously]

"We're going to prove once and for all that God is dead" You have to admit, though, that scene is hilarious. It's like they wrote him to literally be Satan. There is absolutely no goddamn reason someone who didn't actively believe in god and then rejected him/was rejected by him in a very, very literal sense would say something so dumb.

[@eggynack]

Yeah, it's a really amazing line. It just comes out of nowhere, and I don't think that anything he does in the movie really reinforces it. He doesn't even argue much with the historical Jesus witnesses, as I recall only asking a leading question that he should already know the answer to so that Lee Strobel can tell us he used to be an atheist.

[@Aster_Risk]

It's especially funny since he played the devil in Reaper. It's obvious why they hired Ray Wise. He's good at playing the slick bad guy and literally Satan.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

Ray Wise is one curly mustache and top hat away from becoming Dastardly Whiplash.

[@aaronyandell2929]

No athiest will claim that God is dead. Such a statement is contradictory to an athiest's position.

[@R0DisG0D]

Aaron Yandell It's not about god literally dying, it's about mankind overcoming the idea of god or the need for god. So yeah, in its essence it's pretty atheist.

[@allisonleete9044]

Kinda sus when your movie villain is the literal ACLU

[@cousinmajin]

"...separation of church and state" *SCARY MUSIC PLAYS*

[@windhydra6511]

Saying "God is dead" makes no sense for the antagonist because it implies God lived?

[@chondrya942]

Do you by any chance know about a guy named Nietzsche

[@elfakyn]

@@chondrya942 I don't think many people talk about him. He's a bit of a... Nietzsche topic

[@eddie-roo]

Please Complete All Fields well, Muslims don't have any reason to believe god is dead, because they share the same god with Christianity

[@Matt-zu2lu]

WindHydra the phrase “God is dead” comes from a man who started to notice that less and less people believed in God

[@annaminor3197]

Exactly it makes no sense. Atheists don't believe in a God so why would an atheist say he lived

[@owenb8636]

"in the name of tolerance and diversity, I say we destroy her" I can't believe so much cringe can be fit into such a small space

[@MTHSLH482]

What’s the alternative? Let’s keep her intolerance in the name of tolerance.

[@mcarpen89]

I love that they kick off the story by being like "hey, MLK was a pretty swell guy, wasn't he? Know who else was a swell guy? Jesus. The "youth pastor" memes come to life.

[@joshraid1550]

You know what's hilarious about that scene where the dad hits her daughter for saying Jesus is her savior? Muslims still honor Jesus as a religious figure. In fact Muslim people even believe that he was born of a virgin mother because god willed it to happen. They also believe that he will in fact return at judgement day to smite the antichrist, and also have a whole chapter dedicated to the virgin mary. They are called different things in arabic, Jesus is Isa, Mary is Maryam, and the antichrist is al-masih ad-dajjal.

[@ultramango1337]

“The phrase “seperation of church and state” has been taken out of context and twisted” um you mean like the same way the movie is doing with “god is dead”?

[@wolf-xf6hf]

ik. I don't think they understood the context of god is dead. That statement was originally made as,"god is dead, and we have killed him." the idea was that we made god and by thus coming to the conclusion that he doesn't exist we kill him because he only existed in our minds and we killed him like we killed an irrational thought with logic. that's the context that was made in, not the religous people should be persecuted way. it's such a bad faith argument

[@ernestoacosta7918]

@@wolf-xf6hf so you’re saying that the movie is trying to dumb down people into believing God? Lol

[@dominicmagtibay7462]

@@ernestoacosta7918 yes, you are right

[@hansholbein1047]

Jesus advocated for that, cause he knew the dangers when church and government are one

[@mrknarf4438]

@@wolf-xf6hf not only that, Nietzsche's full statement goes way deeper. He said: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" He doesn't see killing God as something good, not at all, he sees it as something that's left an uncolmable existential void into modern lives. We've lost touch with spirituality.

[@wadespencer3623]

You know, when I lived in Texas, my history teacher said that she thought that Greece fell from its golden age power because they did not pay proper attention to god. Besides not making any damn sense (Greece was conquered by outside forces long before Jesus was born, and why the hell would they follow some random monotheistic religion from a desert hundreds of miles away?) it was WAY more of an overstep than anything that happened in this silly movie, and nobody did anything about it. This movie has no connection to reality.

[@celinak5062]

Wade Spencer +

[@scusachannel1682]

+

[@starkiller18]

well Christians have a way of distorting history and completely disregarding facts to try and make their world view fit. it doesn't matter if there is more than enough evidence and facts to prove the bible is nothing more than a book of fiction that wont change their mind. for example there was never a world wide flood, the world is a lot older than 6000 years old and the jews where never slaves in Egypt and never part of building the pyramids. in fact the pyramids weren't built by slaves but by skilled craftsman who took great pride in their work. those are just some of the most glaring flaws in the bible but there are so many more. not to mention the countless times the bible contradicts itself. Don't get me wrong Im not denying there might be some kind of higher power (I personally don't believe there is one as we don't have the evidence to prove it) but if there is it is absolutely not the god of the bible or any existing religion.

[@Htds9]

I had a middle school teacher who was teaching eveloutiin say that oldest tree being under 4,000 years old was proof of creationism. No one did shit about that either.

[@aaronyandell2929]

As a fellow Texan, I can relate. Biology and History teaching in Texas is horrendous.

[@PoisonFlower765]

My favorite part of these movies is how gay some of the characters seem. The two ministers look like they're married, and the blonde and arab girls in the first movie are 100% lesbians.

[@elizabethm1698]

Watching this video in 2023, while a teacher in Florida is being extensively investigated for “indoctrination” because she played Strange World in her classroom, which features a LGBTQ character. And Christian’s think they’re the one on the chopping block somehow.

[@zachmanf.7479]

Reminds me of the last Captain Underpants book getting into hot water by depicting one of the main characters being in a gay relationship in the future. I'm pretty sure they were just sitting next to each other and I don't recall the story pointing it out.

[@ALurkingGrue]

There is a thing in modern Evangelicals where people really want to believe they are oppressed. It's kinda bizarre from an outsider perspective to see.

[@christianali5431]

ALurkingGrue because we do get persecuted.

[@bladesmann7593]

I think it's because religion is entangled with conservatism. The "Protestant Evangelical persecution complex" is great for voter turnout.(I say Protestant, because Catholics are much more diverse and therefore differ in the political Spectrum) I always found it strange because conservatism in America isn't kind to the poor or the sick. It often relies on antagonism, xenophobia and fear-mongering, Concepts that should be antithetical to Christianity. The reason why it doesn't make sense is because it's almost never about religion-- it's about politics. The irony of it is that this whole thing is bad for Christianity. Christians could be taking part in a positive future, but instead insist on antagonizing everyone else. But these are just my thoughts. Thanks for reading.

[@arubinojr5670]

Christian Ali But of course by your words, making you question your beliefs in any way is persecution, which is of course why you should not be listened to.

[@drewolfy]

christians do get persecuted. in the middle east. itd make alot more sense for evangelicals to help the persecution of orthodox christians in the middle east than whine about what they percieve as slights against them in the western world, which is actually a system built on their religion.

[@mangachick27]

d wolfy actually the United States is not a "Christian nation" it was founded on ideas of the enlightenment and it's thinkers (a time in history where people were looking more towards science than the church). The founders had just separated from a government that had government instilled religion, they were doing everything in their power from trying to recreate that. Hence the separation of church and state and why we have a president and not a king.

[@jessimorrison4605]

these movies try so hard to say that Christianity is oppressed when they've been oppressing every single person who isn't like them for an unbelievable amount of time not to say that all Christians are bad people that don't accept others who aren't like them, but so many people of the Christian faith are quick to put down other religions and lifestyles and then try to say that they're the victims

[@PlaneBoy2520]

Mr Very noice well speak of the devil! You are literally the exact person Jessi Morrison was talking about! You don’t accept others who are not like you and you put down other religions! Congrats!

[@PlaneBoy2520]

Mr Very noice I mean, Have you heard of “Love thy neighbor”? Are you sure you’re a Christian?

[@PlaneBoy2520]

Mr Very noice oh okay so what you’re saying is Christianity tells you to be an asshole? Got it

[@PlaneBoy2520]

Mr Very noice who the fuck do you think hates you? Wants you dead or poor? 🤣

[@PlaneBoy2520]

Mr Very noice I’m assuming you live in the us, which if so you’re literally in a country where Christians are the majority.

[@charliealcock]

Also, the 'tolerance and diversity' line is telling, because the values of tolerance and diversity mean accepting people regardless of skin colour, sexuality, gender, and religion. It has really nothing to do with Christians at all. And yet evangelicals take it as an attack on their core values and way of life. What does that tell you about Christians?

[@ohshiditsgriff2793]

Ahh... the irony of this movie aged beautifully, with everything going on in FL now regarding schooling

[@dorcaswg5726]

As a Christian who believes in God and is a person of faith I am just going to say this and go. The belief that western evangelicals have that they are somehow oppressed as a minority is absolutely absurd and straight up insulting to Christians around the world that are actually being persecuted and killed for their faith. I mean we literally live in a country where we have freedom of religion in our founding constitution. This idea that Christians are now an oppressed class in The United States makes no sense to me. Christians are an overwhelming majority I mean look at our current president and government Evangelical Christians voted Trump in and their agenda is winning rn.

[@manfredfinch]

Agree completely. If they want a taste of persecution try being Xtian in China.

[@joliekhim8135]

Or North Korea................... Cause why not?

[@isaacg3327]

Person of faith. As a scientist I find that statement so odd. Why don’t you say ‘person who believes things without evidence’ or ‘person who believes exactly as their parents without question’ or ‘person without critical thinking skills,’ they all fit.

[@xenoto7148]

@@isaacg3327 While I am not a 'person of faith', I find your confrontational behavior pointless and counter-intuitive. This does nothing to benefit anyone or change anything. It's just adding fuel to the fires of division.

[@jackriggs8013]

@@isaacg3327 dont be a dillhorn

[@tomstdenis]

Take the same plot but swap out the Christian teacher with a Muslim one and see how the audience reacts :-)

[@trippwraze1509]

What's sad is that that would be a much better movie, since Islam doesn't really have to fake a victim status.

[@stephsmith9911]

or have the teacher a Catholic that teaches the children the rosary or the litany of the virgin and watch the southern baptist parents tear her to shreds!

[@ajamusmith37]

🤔 I believe you have something there.🤔

[@thehermit8618]

Or literally any other religion that isn't evangelist christianity

[@Loner-Wolf]

Tom St Denis the heavens would rend asunder should that happen.

[@lollynight4604]

what a self-indulgent concept lol, a movie about a christian teacher being put on trial for talking about jesus. the christian persecution complex is so loud

[@hannaha1474]

My friend kinda got harassed in the fifth grade for not being Christian by a teacher in public school and literally nothing happened

[@bardofthe90s57]

I HAAAATE the argument that, 'Jesus was proven to exist, so ALL of Christianity is true.' Just say it's about faith. There's proof that a guy went around preaching tolerance and love. That doesn't prove a big dude in the sky is playing us like puppets.

[@conradkorbol]

Kotzi Senpai he isn’t even mentioned by the romans He is mentioned by a Jewish guy talking about how There are people talking about Jesus fairly far after Jesus existed

[@elan825]

@@conradkorbol Yes, plus Yeshua was a very common name back then. They might have been lumping different Jewish preachers together. Hardly anything about Jesus could be called a fact.

[@conradkorbol]

ela n no this one talks about Jesus being the Jesus we know now and coming back to life But it’s not talking about from that time. It’s saying that preachers are claiming this man existed. A few hundred years after the fact That’s the proof that’s frequently cited This idea of Jesus and sorry was fairly consistent and wide spread amounts several differ sects that were just Jesus Hell even Buddha sounds a lot like Jesus It seems there was probably a guy or several guys preaching peace and talking about ultimate joy and this idea stared to spread throughout Asia in general. i think it’s probably more than than one person who got turned into one person or was a person or persons who got hijakced by multiple religions. At least that’s my hypothesis. But whether or not the religious version of these people existed is up for debate

[@xxaidanxxsniperz6404]

@@conradkorbol some even believe that jesus was a magic mushroom used by a Jewish cult to connect with God. I dont personally believe this but do believe that the body of jesus was mushrooms and not communion wafers.

[@conradkorbol]

XxaidanxX sniperz yes my hypothesis is out there, but I don’t think it’s as out there as Jesus was a mushroom

[@floof_hair3857]

Film’s opinion of school: Talking about Jesus is bad!!1!!1 Actual classes: so we’re going to talk about the Romantics and their use of Christian imagery

[@juliannaistyping]

lmao exactly! :p american public school: "ok let's annotate this historical document and list 10 reasons how it relates to jesus" american public school in this trashfire film: "OMG SHE SAID THE G WORD, TAKE HER TO COURT!!!1! :O"

[@zacharysiple629]

In English 11, we talked about the Bible a lot when we read The Crucible. I even read The Bible during silent reading. Some kids didn't like that, but I never got in any trouble for it. That's just a minor example of my real experience.

[@metroplexprime9901]

@@zacharysiple629 I mean, the simple fact that I can easily find a copy of the bible in my middle school library is kind of telling. I never went looking for a Quran because I don't think I even knew what Islam was at the time, but I don't think I would have found it, even 5 or so years ago.

[@zacharysiple629]

@@metroplexprime9901 Yeah, our library had a reference section and Bibles were there, too. You couldn't check those out, they either stayed in the library or you brought it back by the end of the day.

[@majo5274]

God's Not Dead series: lowering respect for actors I never think about.

[@lyshlysh9970]

As a person who may be disowned, hospitalized, or otherwise ostracised for my (lack of) religious beliefs, this idea of a persecution complex being heralded by some Christians really angers me. Christians in my country are the majority. They are being favored by the system, they are not oppressed in any way. It’s minimizing of people like me, who have to closeted in order to live a normal life. I believe this persecution complex is what happens when minorities fighting for basic human rights is perceived by the majority as “they’re taking MY rights!”.

[@GonzoCiosain]

My 8th grade (public school) teacher told us on Halloween that "thousands of babies will be sacrificed tonight by Satanists" in complete seriousness. Nothing ever came of THAT outlandish statement, so this movie's whole premise is ridiculous.

[@imstandingrightbehindyou.6987]

Nick Roeding Should have said "Love to see that movie,When it is starting?".In my country(a muslim country) people say more stupid things than this.

[@elipetrou9308]

wait, what the fuck. that sounds like something I'd say while playing fucking dungeons and dragons. that's comedy gold

[@metroplexprime9901]

@@imstandingrightbehindyou.6987 Assert your dominance. Just say "tasty".

[@sethnmarshall]

That hilarious because their god let millions of babies be sacrificed in the New Testament. So if god did it wouldn’t a cult doing it be Christians and not satanist?

[@Anaandreasi]

The major issue of this movie is that it portrays situations that are not even near reality. Christians are not persecuted in the West. Actually, it's quite the other way around. It looks awfully alike kids who beat up their younger brothers; and the brothers give them a small slap to defend themselves, so the older ones start yelling and crying for mom's help

[@Twilight3146]

Ana Andreasi for your example of the brother I think you have the roles reversed.

[@oceanusprocellarum6853]

@@Twilight3146 Maybe that was part of the point? Or maybe I'm reading too much into this lmao

[@goddepersonno3782]

American evangelicals have ruined our reputation. I'm telling you now, we're not all like that

[@goddepersonno3782]

I have done some more research and just thinking about this subject in general. And I would say that while there is no outright persecution, Christians are under incredible social pressure to not share their faith, and are looked down on for practicing it. Science has been distorted to the point where it is used asked a weapon against theology. In many senses, low level social pressure like we have in the west is worse than in other countries with restrictive religious regulations, because the people pushing us down can claim that they are morally justified in doing so, and we can believe them.

[@TheXMan]

Ethan Young what she was saying was that Christianity is “more powerful” than other religions but still played victim when the others were just defending themselves.

[@petersondavid79]

Sabrina grew up to be the kind of lady. Who prevents her kids from watching Harry Potter, because of witchcraft.

[@galacticgardevoir9496]

I was thrown for a spin when you said Peter Kane. I had a high school teacher named Peter Kane and he was the most religious-freedom results-based teacher I've ever had and he was amazing. I'm going to assume this Peter Kane is a mere shell of the real one

[@Uejji]

"God is good" "All the time" "And all the time" "God is good" is a literal example of the kind of ingrained dogmatic chanting I experienced and participated in growing up in the Assemblies of God.

[@woweewow4323]

Uejji it’s actually a reference to a song that’s very popular in the Christian scene, or at least in the church I went to. That church didn’t have too many songs to pick from, so it’s ingrained into my brain at this point.

[@xx-knight-xx2119]

@@woweewow4323 My church has played the same songs for years every Sunday. lol I always said even as a Christian that if the music was better there'd be way more Christians.

[@koffinkiss]

@@xx-knight-xx2119 I'm positive that at this point every church only has like 6 songs

[@xx-knight-xx2119]

@@koffinkiss lol.

[@jnyerere]

The sad part about that scene is that I have many Christian friends who think that chant is corny and whack. That's how out of touch this movie is.

[@amityislandchum]

Gotta love how the *academic* is always shown in impeccably tailored 3-piece suits with pocket squares, and the poor, oppressed Christian wears shitty mismatched pants and blazer, and can't even afford a razor to shave! Lmfao... the people who made this movie have never met an actual academic. Regardless, THEY'RE BOTH LAWYERS. THEY HAVE MONEY.

[@oceanusprocellarum6853]

The same people who think scientists wear lab coats all day.

[@amityislandchum]

@@oceanusprocellarum6853 Lmao so true! If you ever walk in a lab and see everyone in lab coats, you know it's because they were warned OSHA is coming by! 😂

[@chadliampearcy]

@@oceanusprocellarum6853 Only Mad Scientists do that. OATS.

[@matthewrhoads2194]

I thought the lawyer representing the teacher was NOT a Christian.

[@Ivytheherbert]

I liked how the prosecutor is grey and old, while the defense is a young pretty boy.

[@Meli-bk2hk]

This is so funny to me because I've had a total of four teachers during my high school years who literally made their classrooms a fucking Sunday school instead of teaching their damn subjects, one of them even villainized Muslims. And I live in a "liberal" state.

[@luminousbanjo]

Bad Guy: "We're going to prove once and for all that God is dead." MJH: "And I will prove that God's Not Dead...Too."

[@lukasfraley]

After my mental recovery from Christian indoctrination as a child, these types of Christian apology videos come across as disingenuous cult propaganda which harms the innocent people without a knowledge of epistemology. It’s sad to me.

[@PedroPiquero]

If I told you! Where I come from, they put those films on young people and boys who are being rehabilitated from drugs with God's help and little else. And, I remember that when I was coming out of Christianity, one came to me to ask my opinion about this film. It had an impact on him, it was perfect and he didn't see anything wrong with it. I told him that it was pure crap. That it was a film made by Christians for Christians that did not reflect reality at all. I hadn't even finished saying that when my own father took me apart and forced me to shut up. But they are the ones who are persecuted. I cannot stress more the irony of the situation.

[@busybird7149]

Speaking of mental recovery, when i was in a mental hospital we had to sit in a room with a television playing cartoon network all day (they literally torture people by doing that). The only "adult" programming they allowed us to watch was "Touched by an Angel". On top of that, or daily therapy sessions usually included "meditation" which was effectively a forced prayer session. It's indoctrination, they used instable young minds to try and further expand their following. Christianity is a cult.

[@secretly679]

I am sorry that you guys suffered in Religious Trauma Syndrome by my fellow Christians. I hope you guys were already recovered. As a Christian, I never knew these kind of movies existed and my fellow Christians watched these movies and they said it was good. My family rarely watch movies and my mother exposed me in science, mathematics, History and Language as a child and later on she introduced me to Christ and told me that it is now my choice to follow Christ or not. I am truly sorry..... Hope I could pray for you guys even though you no longer have the desire to believe in God.

[@lukamilosevic661]

@@busybird7149 Naw man we're cool at least over here in Serbia we have priests with cool beards and we care for each other, noone pushing anything on noone here you come to church good for you you don't ok

[@TheCynicalAdolescent]

I went to a public school and had a Christian teacher who always brought Christ into his teaching of literature, in response I’d bring my atheism to the lesson, he welcomed it and we’d have really good discussions.

[@Yash-lx5xr]

That's good to hear, he slightly pushed his beliefs on the class, but he encouraged open-mindedness and was welcoming to arguments, sounds like a good teacher.

[@thinktwice1403]

@@Yash-lx5xr Bruh,i agree with You..but isn't teaching evolutionism to 7 year olds also a pushing of belief?Oh or is it science?c'mon we all know it is all about this

[@Yash-lx5xr]

@@thinktwice1403 I'm not the one arguing that, I'm the one saying that the CHRISTIAN teacher who was not talking about evolution was doing a good job by encouraging open mindedness to the classroom.

[@thinktwice1403]

@@Yash-lx5xr You mentioned he slightly pushed it.However i may have gotten it wrong.Have a good life!

[@Yash-lx5xr]

@@thinktwice1403 oh no, he pushed his religion slightly not evolution.

[@kkellel1500]

"Do you think that the Reverend King was inspired by Jesus?" "Yes" *STRAWMAN SCREECHING INTENSIFIES*

[@lizpayton415]

>old man presents anti-christian argument >attractive young man presents christian argument

[@jacobhite9042]

As a Christian, and an artist, I hate these movies. Beyond just being empirically bad art, they’re ham-fisted, pandering, and way off base. The worst persecution that Christians have faced in America is people cracking jokes at their expense. When the writer asked if the intended audience of this movie would be okay with quoting the Quran and referencing Mohammad as a role model, he hit the nail on the head. So many of us champion religious freedom, only as far as it affects (and specifically benefits) us. I’m all for the inclusion of Christian concepts and beliefs in discussions in academia. Along with the inclusion of Islam, and Judaism, and any other religion or belief system that desires that. Honestly, I’m just sick of the intellectual inconsistency. Rant over.

[@TheReddaredevil223]

I've noticed that very often people (More often true of conservatives) don't have principles, they have goals. Their supposed principles change and bend to serve their goals. For example, Evangelical Christians tend to believe in monogamy and sanctity of marriage. However, they turned out in record numbers to vote for Donald Trump. Why? Because he promised to get anti-abortion judges on the Supreme Court (of which there were a lot of vacancies and upcoming vacancies at the time). Here's another example: All of a sudden "free speech" is a "big issue" to conservatives. However, it's very clear that the only speech they're trying to protect is their own speech. It's not a principle at all. Conservatives seem to be very upset with Colin Kaepernick for using his own free speech at a football game. They also seem to cheer on Trump when he talks about making flag burning a crime (even though burning a flag is very clearly an act of free speech as admitted by Antonin Scalia). They also don't care when he tries to undermine the press and wish reporters be thrown in prison. The only time conservatives care about the "principle" of "free speech" is when college students protest conservative celebrity speakers on college campuses, a completely unimportant culture war issue. Protesting is actually an exercise of free speech, not a blocking of it. In the cases where students are being truly disruptive, sure that's highly inappropriate. It's actually not a free speech issue though. The government is not blocking those people's ability to speek. Private citizens are doing it. And the right to free speech is not the right to speak wherever you want. I know I'm just talking into the wind here, but I find right-wing people completely disingenuous on practically every issue.

[@killerkitten7534]

As an atheist I wish more Christians were like you. I won’t pretend you’re in the minority. At least where I am Christians are pretty tolerant compared to what’s depicted in GND. I hate how this series is trying to paint this as the norm for Christians because honestly some of my best friends are religious. I just wish people could see the more tolerant side more often

[@PheePeaAnimation]

I hope that people don’t see this sort of Christian propaganda and think it applies to all of you. This kinda shit makes it soooo easy for the other side to form generalizing straw-men of Christianity and completely disregard your beliefs 🙄 Literally, 99% of the Christians I know would hate this kinda shit. It’s like telling someone you’re a feminist and then getting scoffed at because they only associate feminism with man-hating and period blood-painting lmfao. I feel for y’all. Stay good.

[@Nathan-zc7kf]

@@PheePeaAnimation 99% of the Christians around absolutely dont dislike these movies. I grew up a Christian when these came out and every christian teacher and even my pastors loved it.

[@digitaldeathsquid3448]

I'll say this much from my perspective as an atheist - there does seem to be a precedent in other countries for quite serious Christian persecution (e.g. China or Syria) where churches and worshippers do face legit discrimination and death. But that's besides the point. These films are trash.

[@schmlif8839]

Imagine the reactions of the people who watched this movie if they found out a teacher was spreading the good word of allah

[@hoppytoad79]

Or Buddah's teachings

[@vladimirputin8285]

@@hoppytoad79 Buddha is cool though. He doesn't even talk about God.

[@juiceoverflow]

I can tell you the situation would be framed a whole lot differently in the movie

[@facuuu2809]

I'd like to have a muslin teacher lol, i only know one muslin who is a close friend of mine and idk, i'd like to meet other muslims too, not all muslims are bad people and most people kinda look at me weird when they speak bad about muslims and then i tell them about him :/

[@spartan2867]

@@facuuu2809 i wish i had muslim or jew Friends. Would be cool to actually know what they believe in FROM them and not from yet another Christian teacher who can't really tell me much (not that i blame her)

[@michaelvanliempt8779]

The charges against Grace were never specified, which is important because it provided the opportunity to move the goalposts so that the movie can talk about what it wants to talk about. Also, if there were any charges, the ACLU would be representing Grace here.

[@worchikeikerreebes6122]

One of my teachers said that the reason for aquatic animal fossils found on dry land was the great flood and Noah’s ark. She got in absolutely no trouble even though she probably should have Edit: I also said that I thought that it was because land wasn’t there when the animals lived there and she said I was wrong.

[@lukamilosevic661]

Why is that worth trouble tho? It's just kinda on the nose; not worth a firing 4 sure

[@kikiash2425]

The Christian persecution complex is a crazy thing

[@christianali5431]

Magus the Outrageous IKR. Christians haven’t persecuted anyone in over 100 years. Why do Atheists hate them so much?

[@kikiash2425]

That isn't what I was saying at all lmao

[@princessjello]

Christian Ali bro chill the fuck out lol your persecution complex is showing

[@Azreal231916]

Christian Ali uh...Christians persecute people to this day. Gay people, transgendered people, atheists, women who get abortions just to name a few. Do you really not encounter this or?

[@flacornmallrat]

the number of youtube videos on this same topic tells me that there very much is a culture around downplaying Christian content. all of them saying that the movie is bad but not under attack.

[@xanderlowe1543]

This movie is baffling because, as a teacher, literally nothing about it shows the creators had any understanding of BASIC SCHOOLING. Seriously, I've mentioned Mohamed in classes, as a historical figure. Because guess what: THAT'S HISTORY!!!

[@katmandomo]

I'm guessing a lot of the people who made this movie where homeschooled, targeting an audience that homeschools their kids.

[@rowan8383]

katmandomo that's not what homeschooling is meant for most of the time though. It's generally to help out kids with problems that Make it hard for them in a normal school. At least from what I've seen

[@fubbington705]

@@rowan8383 this movie was made by and targeted at evangelical christians and children from evangelical christian families are often homeschooled because their parents dont want them to learn about things that are not in line with their beliefs

[@earlycuyler2295]

Ummm, you are a teacher? And you teach children about Mohammed as if he is an undisputed historical figure? Historical Mohammed is highly questioned. there has been debate, even in the highest echelons of islamic study as to whether he existed as a prophet, a politician, a holy man, or even at all. There IS a bit more evidence for him existing than, say jesus( for which there is no first hand proof from ANY contemporary source) but none of it is all that solid. I mean they are deffinatly characters that HAVE had great effct on human culture, but its far more likely they are both an almagamation of facts and a more than generous heap of fiction.

[@earlycuyler2295]

@@rowan8383 no.most religious zealots homeschool their kids. religion is dependant on ignorance. it cannot stand up to any mild scrutiny, so it demonizes what dissproves its very premise.

[@friendlyghost8293]

Listen to the song 'Imagine' by John Lennon. The lyrics "imagine there's no countries, wouldn't be hard to do, nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too" I want to live in that world.

[@eloryosnak4100]

I disagree greatly with the phrasing of Cain's first argument. Me citing phrases from the Bible or the Quran doesnt mean I believe in it, or think it superior. It means I studied other cultures. Like.. like a good thing to do.

[@dayrohan]

Evangelicals: we can't pray in school! Me: remembering a class trip I went too, possibly in Junior high where a teacher had us pray before we lunch. public school new York by the way.

[@daedula7457]

I know all throughout primary school in England we had to pray in every assembly

[@hithere7080]

According to the Kentucky book of statutes, or my county's book of statutes, (I can't remember) requires the teacher to read the Bible at the beginning of class and if they have money for it, display the 10 commandments in every classroom.

[@dayrohan]

hi there I was still in the faith, when TGA away happen. I only recently left in my early 20s, but it always left a bad feeling for me even when I was a strong believer, in that point of time.

[@beth4928]

@@dayrohan this is really late but I'm glad you were able to move away from the faith when it didn't make you happy or let you flourish ♡

[@mcxlii]

i went to a catholic primary school, we did have a moment of silence for those who wanted to pray before lunch until like 7th grade (primary in the netherlands is from age 4 to 12, grade 1-8). i think maybe one or two people used this moment, most of hte people in my class were atheists or agnostics. but in all honestly, you can just pray by yourself before you eat your food, that works just as well lol. the habit later stopped because they realised it was a waste of time.

[@troyschulz2318]

Oh Christ they're making a third one.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

Third time's the charm. And David R. White is the main character this time!

[@joemomma3648]

Sting Sniperscope God's Not Dead 3: Return of the Jedi

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

joe momma God's not Dead 3: Beyond Thunder-Church.

[@stevensmith8511]

Sting Sniperscope yeah and it's coming out this month on the 30th or the 29th

[@lumen8341]

I remember when this one was coming out and we all said, "oh christ, they're making a second one"

[@peppermoths]

the fact that they filmed this movie at my high school

[@felixbillington6151]

In some ways I think this film actually touches on a very interesting issue. Here in the uk a lot of our primary schools are tied to local Church of England church. When we get to secondary school (ages 11 to 18) everyone I know had religious education lessons. As an atheist I think this has given me a quite a well rounded perspective on Christianity as a whole. I find issue with the highly organised nature of certain areas of faith, especially when used to tell people that the way they believe is wrong but overall I really don’t have issue with people believing what they want to. The problem I have is while my religious studies were meant to look at all religions and philosophy in general the vast quantity was focused on Christianity. In all my years at school we spent probably a week in total on Sikhism for example. If I had kids I want them to learn about the bible from an objective stance as I think it is interesting historically and morally. However, I also would want them to learn about Islam, Buddhism and all the other religions equally as I think all offer different lessons to learn and discussing them more would help with tolerance and understanding