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@Warerdog24 Жыл бұрын
Very well done My take on heated gear is the 7v battery powered jacket . That way I can use for other things like Sking , winter hiking and still use for riding . If the Mosko were battery powered I would buy be cause their quality is out standing . Keep up the good work.
@देवर्षकामत Жыл бұрын
Klim dakar.
@FourIntoOne Жыл бұрын
I have ridden in all weathers literally hundreds of thousands of miles. The single biggest best thing that I have done by a huge margin over my 40 year riding "career" was to start using heated gear about 20 years ago. It instantly negates being cold, uncomfortable and therefore unsafe on your motorcycle. Winter weather simply becomes irrelevant (apart from icy roads, obvs) Those that state it's not for them or not manly enough are frankly either deluded, in denial of more likely a bit stupid. It's a total no brainer.
@DavideGTI86 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you, worth every penny. I feel like people doesn't talk enough of these heated gear 😄, it has been a massive improvement for me and, as you said, i feel way more comfortable and SAFE.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
agreed
@davidc1961utube Жыл бұрын
You just need to be sure your bike's stator is rated for the load. Pushing a bike with a dead battery will also keep you warm! Not really an issue on a 1000cc street bike, more so for the small thumper dual sport crowd.
@VVoltz Жыл бұрын
LOL that intro is hilarious. I love how you balance serious reviews and fun on your videos
@MusicalMemeology Жыл бұрын
I like your funny intro coming up from under the table. I like your humour 😁 you’re my fav motorbike review channel.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
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@4940markhutchins Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your review! The one thing I look for if I’m going to replace my heated mid-layer is if it has connectors at the end of the sleeves for heated gloves, it doesn’t look like this has them.
@AT2021Rocker Жыл бұрын
I have a battery powered vest and it’s one of the best investments I’ve made. I carry two batteries and what I really like is using it as additional warmth in my sleeping bag if I get cold as well as I can use it for almost any activity.
@DavideGTI86 Жыл бұрын
I personally have a Macna heated jacket wich is the most common brand in Europe and I have to say it is a game changer when riding in cold weather. I recommend to all the riders who ride in sub 10° C to get one and start enjoying riding all year round in total comfort, and if needed, adding a pair of heated gloves and pants.
@ostell Жыл бұрын
Macna CENTRE Jacket? If yes, question- is this jacket warm also without connect to power?
@DavideGTI86 Жыл бұрын
@@ostell Yes, Macna Centre, and yes, it has some insulation even with electrical heating off, I removed the mid layer of the motorcycle jacket (mine is Rev'it) and I replaced it with the Macna, and it does the job pretty well, but when you turn on the heating ohhh boy ohh boy it is WARM 🤤
@ostell Жыл бұрын
@@DavideGTI86 thanks lots 👍💪
@gbner9991 Жыл бұрын
@@ostell Macna has a new jacket like the Ectotherm, it's called Ascent. It even has real down filling. I have the Macna Centre jacket as well and would take the new one. The centre jacket is like a soft shell jacket and not very comfortable to wear underneat a motorcycle jacket in my opinion.
@3obryans Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian! After years of being miserable and and grudging over the weather from December through March, I just bought this heated jacket to add to my heated gloves and socks collection. So glad you reviewed this jacket!
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@BlazerLz10 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for going over the SAE adapter plug! That was the only question I had and it wasn't addressed anywhere else!
@adv_dude Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. Purchased this jacket yesterday. Looking forward to testing soon.
@mikemerrill175 Жыл бұрын
Originally from the pacific MW, I’ve had gerbings gear since the 90’s. It extended the riding season to nearly year round. Don’t need it so much in SoCal, but never leave on a long trip without it.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
gerbings is awesome
@billcurnew6020 Жыл бұрын
It's impossible to overstate the value of heated gear for extended travel. Though I don't use mine very often, each time I do I feel as if the cost was insignificant when compared to the ability to ride comfortably on a day I otherwise may not have been able to ride at all. Last fall, I rode in SW Wyoming for several hours with the temps hovering in the mid 20's (F) and did so in complete comfort. Without the heated gear, there's no way I would have even set out. I've owned Gerbings for many years, but the product you show looks great and should certainly be considered by potential buyers.
@clvrswine Жыл бұрын
I love WY. I go every year (Greys River). I explored South Pass last June. The wind!
@gregorbabic7664 Жыл бұрын
Heated jackets are the best! Here is a tip…. I soldered the ends of a coax to my trickle charger so now I can quickly charge any of my bikes and they also all have the receiving coax coming from the bike for when I need to plug the jacket or vest into them. Just means you don’t need any adaptor cables.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@vcheng552000 Жыл бұрын
Ordered from your link. Please keep up the great work. I find your reviews very informative and well done.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@breeno59 Жыл бұрын
Big Mosko Moto fan … I have an embarrassing amount of their soft luggage … somehow, this thing flew under my radar and I’ve been wanting to pick something up for camping and this thing is perfect. Insta-buy. Great timing for this review, thanks ;)
@RandomGRK Жыл бұрын
It’s a great jacket and I love mine but the hips are too snug and I can see you have the same issue. It’s more of a vanity issue and It doesn’t prevent me from wearing it but Mosko admitted they need to fix that issue. Not sure why they didn’t use a draw string method to allow for customized fitting. So many good ideas with Mosko gear with minor execution issues and sizing problems.
@rackhousemoto Жыл бұрын
Yup, they sized this jacket for rail-thin dudes, I had to size up past where I needed to get one that fit me around the hips well.
@tomg6284 Жыл бұрын
I have hotwired gear. You are correct, plug in and stay nice and warm.
@northof49adv Жыл бұрын
My wife has it too she loves it, had to get it modified to get a better fit for her , but she loves it. I just hope in the future they come up with a small battery pack you can use while not on the bike .
@L--Z Жыл бұрын
Battery powered heated jackets already exist.
@michaelskinner896 Жыл бұрын
@@L--Z I think he's talking about this specific brand and model. Currently there is no battery option from Mosko.
@dandonahue2787 Жыл бұрын
Nice review, heated gear is a necessity to extend your riding season. Although Mosko makes great quality stuff it’s quite expensive. I’ve had Gerbings gear for many years, good quality. The current Gerbings heated jacket is about $100 less than the Mosko unit. You do have to buy a controller for a nominal cost, but the advantage to the Gerbings is the controller can be worn outside the jacket making adjustment easier than the Mosko unit on the inside. You don’t want to have to open the jacket or stop to change the temperature.
@MeerkatADV Жыл бұрын
Interesting point, the battery plug on these and the Dango Design Quickfire helmet light batteries are the same. So you can run this for about an hour or so while off the bike using the helmet light battery.
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
im a begginer rider and i have started immediatly with heated gear glives and jacket MUST DO IT IT WILL INCREASE OF 50% OR MORE THE AMOUNT OF RIDES(also i dont have a car) quality ones better also recharge them one a moth in the summer when you dont use them so the battery last years and about the hassle pf reching them dont worry will be do it with pleasure
@YouTubeGlobalAdminstrator Жыл бұрын
That's a cool intro magic trick appearing out of nowhere.
@painsrides Жыл бұрын
I fought using heated gear for decades. When I finally gave in and bought first gloves, then a jacket liner... I kicked myself(multiple times ;) ) for being so stubborn for so long 🤨 Its really the only way to stay riding for extended periods in cold temps.
@vailmcc Жыл бұрын
Ian, I see you have a Starbucks tumbler on your desk.. did that come as standard with your BMW, or did you have to purchase it?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
standard equipment. :)
@thedownwardmachine Жыл бұрын
I would be too concerned about breaking the tiny little heating elements to wear it daily and pack it down tight. Please keep us updated on the reliability.
@duanesmith5074 Жыл бұрын
I've had the same one for 20 years. Works excellent
@gbner9991 Жыл бұрын
Damn this is really quite genius. This way you always have the safety net of a heated jacket with you and don't have to bring seperature stuff or leave it at home when you are not sure how the temperatures will be. It would have been interesting to know which zones are getting heated on the jacket.
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
i tell you mostly the chest and the back part but yeah eventually kinda the heat spread all of the body
@michaelskinner896 Жыл бұрын
Collar, arms, chest, and back. You can check out Mosko's website.
@meinekleineweltreise Жыл бұрын
Nice Review! But I prefer thin heated base layers like “warm&safe”, which gives me more freedom on my bike. And for campsite I carry an cheap puffy jacket with me. 😉
@wine_country_moto Жыл бұрын
Thx for the review. I was in the camp of “I don’t need that crap”. But what people don’t realize, once you get cold on the bike it takes a very long time to get warmed up. Ruins the evening after a long day of riding.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@jameswhitney5439 Жыл бұрын
AhT about gloves are the wires in place for that, I have been using GSA in a gear and all in in place
@dwmorrissey Жыл бұрын
Wish you’d talked through fit and sizing on this video a bit. I’m short and stocky and worry about the fit-enough so that I reached out Mosko about it last year. To their credit, they forewarned me that they had some sizing issues in the first year’s run (last year) and that the initial run fit super slim. They said they intended to correct that for this current model year.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
The current one fits in your normal t shirt size.
@kee7678 Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto I was going to buy this, big M. M. fan..but i"m gonna use your like Ian.
@stephangmur2529 Жыл бұрын
what is the designation for the adapter? any info where i can buy? thx.
@dpinedoblog Жыл бұрын
How is maintenance and washing like? Durability? Great vid. Been wanting one but expensive when you buy 2 for everything (me and wife)
@cloud98475 ай бұрын
My worry about this jacket is that it's ~43watts and draws at 3.4 when the other 'top of the line' heated jackets are almost double that. I want to be able to ride down into temps around zero or lower so I just don't think this jacket would make me happy for the money. That's a shame because I do like the style. I just wish it was more closer to what the other stuff out there is pushing. I'm looking at a Keis premium heated jacket for example.
@j.t.8759 Жыл бұрын
Quick question Ian...Does the Mosko Moto Ectotherm Jacket fold up into its own stuff sack?
@lukefish7562 Жыл бұрын
Hey I didn’t see the link for the cable you were plugging jacket into? Can you help me out? 😁
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
fixed...
@lukefish7562 Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto you’re the man! I am picking one up now! Thank you for being so detailed and listing all your products. It’s one of the reasons that sets you apart and has you at the top of the game!
@PovilasPanavas Жыл бұрын
When one rides motorcycle they would put a normal motorcycle jacket on top of this to get the proper protection, right?
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
no for that you buy heated vest or heated jile
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
yes
@brianwaggoner3138 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love my Ectotherm! This thing works awesome for motorcycle riding, around camp, or just as a jacket in town. I also plug this into an antigravity xp-1 for a heated jacket for non-motorcycle use.
@skeelo221 Жыл бұрын
How does the xp-1 fit into the pocket of the jacket? Is that really awkward to walk around with the weight in the pocket, or not too bad?
@brianwaggoner3138 Жыл бұрын
@Jacob K xp-1 fits snugg but works fine. Totally worth a little bulk for me when I want the warmth.
@skeelo221 Жыл бұрын
@@brianwaggoner3138 cool thanks. Is there a special connector needed to connect the xp-1 to the jacket?
@brianwaggoner3138 Жыл бұрын
@Jacob K Nope, plug on the jacket plugs right into the xp-1.
@bluebaaron748 Жыл бұрын
gen1 or gen2 XP-1?@@brianwaggoner3138
@enricobononi8655 Жыл бұрын
Any data/figures about the resistance of the carbon strings regarding folding, bending, washing etc etc
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
personally i wouldnt put them in the washing machine just to be sure
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
the string are pretty strong no problem
@Estradinhas_do_ES Жыл бұрын
Anything for the opposite weather? 37°C here...
@dstubby82 Жыл бұрын
Nothing worse than losing a contact right before you record a video. 😊
@iansmart3979 Жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, I always value your excellent and comprehensive treatment of whatever topic you cover. Therefore I wonder if you have any plans to review the new suzuki 800 de. I currently ride a vstrom 650, which I really enjoy, on specs alone the de seems to address many of the percieved shortcomings of this model, non switchable abs, non adjustable suspension, poor clearance, ordinary off road performance. However I am waiting on a body of real ride reviews before I persue it further.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
Yes, as soon as possible,
@markchalloner5883 Жыл бұрын
I have one of these. It's awesome!
@65BAJA Жыл бұрын
Quick question. I'm in northern CA. Are there any events coming up in CA,NV,OR in the spring?
@marty4933 Жыл бұрын
I do love my 12v heated vest and gloves! I need to ask: have you sold your blue Jeep rubicon?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
sadly yes
@Steve-yu6pq Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review! Where is the jacket made? And can you plug the jacket to a small battery bank when you’re off the bike?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
bangladesh. i'm not sure about a battery pack
@wesc23 Жыл бұрын
You can, if it has 12v out. One of the anti gravity jump starters does. Xp3. Only about 1 hour use with it tho.
@petezny4343 Жыл бұрын
What no mention of the KLX230SM you were standing next to for most of the video! Is there an upcoming review?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
yes!
@thebigoaktree8401 Жыл бұрын
That intro Ian 😂
@davehartsock9106 Жыл бұрын
I know the Mosko Moto brand is quality stuff. Does the collar have heating elements in it because that’s the key to staying warm. If the back of your neck is warm your whole body feels warm.
@MikeGilroyAK Жыл бұрын
Anyone cross the connection to the BMW plug? Curious if it will have the amps
@bradleygordon5973 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review! I've been on the fence about plug in gear but you just converted a skeptical rider. Less gear, warmer and it looks good too. Did you have to size up for a protective jacket and what's your favorite?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
no sizing up, I wear this jacket in a L, my normal size, and it fits great with my normal sized moto jackets
@retiredbiker Жыл бұрын
does it have connection for gloves in the sleeves? Now, if someone could invent a jacket that cools in the same fasion for those of us in the hot climates.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
No, no glove connector
@darrylvee8315 Жыл бұрын
$469 AUD for a heated jacket? For a bit over $100 I can buy a heated vest and run a 10000mAh battery for all day warmth. I can wear the vest / battery combo off the bike too. Does the Ectotherm come with options to use when not on the bike? Like, in a sleeping bag, for example? It might be a good vest but the price point is insane
@mikemattern151911 ай бұрын
Can I use a battery pack with this jacket?
@shassabo Жыл бұрын
Does the connection work with a lithium motorcycle battery and at 50w is that a bit too much to draw? Also concerned with the 14.4v vs 12v difference.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
it will work with any motorcycle battery
@shassabo Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto nice. thank you - i can't stand riding in the cold, so i'm hoping this is silver bullet!
@nicc26 Жыл бұрын
Hi Ian! Thanks again for the great content. I know I've commented on another video, but it seems that if you have the right adapter, you could plug it in a battery pack in your pocket and walk around the camp site with the heat on. Am I wrong?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
Technically yes if you give it 12 volts and enough amperage
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
wait why the opening of the video under the table?🤣
@L--Z Жыл бұрын
My guess is it's an old fashion analog special effect to amuse us. And it works for me, I've giggled every time and been somehow reminded of "the Muppet Show".
@davidc1961utube Жыл бұрын
I have had a fair amount of success keeping my torso warm with layers. What I really need is a solution for gloves! My hands are always cold first.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
heated grips?
@davidc1961utube Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto Yup! They are definitely helpful, and I always get them. I have had excellent experience with Hippo Hands type covers for my bicycle, but feel uncomfortable using them on a motorcycle. Might just be a mental block.
@CJModiano Жыл бұрын
Have you ever had a warm&safe heated jacket? If so, how does this compare? Very happy with my warm and safe, but this looks more versatile.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
yes, I had one of those in the past, the mosko is just more versatile IMHO
@gabrielkopp2036 Жыл бұрын
325 is pretty good price..I was thinking you tell us it was more like 600
@dcxplant Жыл бұрын
Need me some heated gloves. I'm in my 50's and my hands get stiff and fingers painful below 50F
@davidkerley3405 Жыл бұрын
Have they added the arm connection to attach heated gloves yet.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
no
@davidkerley3405 Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto Thank you
@steveh545 Жыл бұрын
cool. I have one for skiing, but it comes with a chunky battery (obviously). Do the different heating levels activate different areas? Any control of "zones"? More importantly, how long did it take to master the quick change lol!?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
It's just H, M and L settings, no zone control. The quick change - easy to do actually, the trick is in editing
@steveh545 Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto i watched a vid on how to do that (David Manning, great stuff). I think it's harder than it looks, Maybe easy is relative. lol
@slalomking Жыл бұрын
Hey does that jacket have slide protection if you crash ?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
No, this is a mid-layer, not an protective garment
@sercio994 Жыл бұрын
Another great (and fun!) video Ian :) Is there a good company that does it for the whole body?
@roblange1445 Жыл бұрын
Warm andSafe👍
@nate.adv282 Жыл бұрын
I dig it. What size jacket are you wearing? Do you have the link for the adapter?
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
large, link added just now
@Bob_on_Bikes Жыл бұрын
Love the hiding intros!
@sm98710 Жыл бұрын
Is the jacket also wired for heated gloves?
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
you can buy gloves that have portable battery into them
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
no
@bradleygordon5973 Жыл бұрын
I just ordered Tourmaster synergy gloves that come with wiring kit or you can order a battery
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
heated gloves review next time
@j.t.8759 Жыл бұрын
Another great video Ian. I'm a big Mosko Moto fan myself. Wonderful people, great quality products and phenomenal customer service. Quick question... A Battery Tender typically has a 7.5 amp fuse. Over the years I've melted/blown a couple 7.5 amp fuses with the initial high draw my portable air compressor pulls at start up. I typically replace the 7.5 amp fuse with either a 10 amp or 15 amp fuse, and have had no problems since. Of course, Battery Tenders are fused at 7.5 amps for a reason. If your battery has a bad cell and/or cell issue, you do not want to feed it more than a specified amount of amperage. When using the Battery Tender SAE lead, in conjunction with the COAX adapter you've listed, (great idea, by the way) have you had any issues blowing/melting the standard 7.5 amp Battery Tender fuse when selecting the warmest setting on the Mosko Moto Ectotherm Jacket? Thanks again for the great job you do.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
I haven't had an issue yet, but a 10A fuse is probably a good idea
@KiLLaDaTa Жыл бұрын
Let's Goooo
@ShaftDrive Жыл бұрын
$450cad ? That’s insane for a mid layer.
@derekbender Жыл бұрын
At time of report, msrp is $325.
@AdvTechMoto Жыл бұрын
Would be great if they design a glove!
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
there are already i think check on the site
@311badfish Жыл бұрын
Buy once cry once. Love that. 😂
@beejoutbush3322 Жыл бұрын
Nice intro 😂😂😂😂😂 you’re as bad as Ronny Dahl 😂😂
@pal9878 Жыл бұрын
I'm sure the gear Mosko Moto is making is of outstanding quality. But for me their gear is simply too expensive.
@randydewees7338 Жыл бұрын
Currently $349
@c3h4organic97 Жыл бұрын
Yes, we are all pussies and I was fighting a long time with the purchase of the Mosko Ectoterm. Shame on you, as you pushed me over the edge and I had to order it now 😀
@markjacobs3956 Жыл бұрын
The biggest lie in motorcycling is that everything has to be proprietary. Meaning if it isn't "moto" gear it's crap. After hundreds of thousands of miles at age 60 in all types of bikes... I wear an Adventure Spec Super Shirt and whatever the hell I want over the top of it. Everyone is more concerned about what they wear how they look then the ride these days and gets all wrapped up in the marketing Magic.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
i get your point but heated gear is amazing
@markjacobs3956 Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto Yup. I've use Gerbing stuff on sleds and very rarely on bikes for 20 years. If I had to buy one thing on the bike that is heated it would be a vest only.
@markjacobs3956 Жыл бұрын
@Eric Judish If you can get one... Been sold out for months.
@L--Z Жыл бұрын
Non-moto battery powered heated gear is available. Venture Heat is one company that makes both.
@gavin4981 Жыл бұрын
Web nardishu
@blakeberlin6295 Жыл бұрын
Enjoying a motorcycle cannot happen without some misery. Don't use heated gear or you'll lose the joy of riding
@BERZERKERSV4 Жыл бұрын
the heated gear , "Hot Wired" from Cycle Gear is just as good and much more affordable....as in over $100 LESS for the inner jacket
@MotoXplor Жыл бұрын
The hot wired is also bluetooth controllable from your phone and has 10 steps of heat.
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
@@MotoXplor yeah with motorcycle gear almost every time you can tell the difference in quality
@slalomking Жыл бұрын
@@nonsononessunooko4066 In your opinion, is the Cycle Gear jacket as good of quality as this Moscow moto ?
@nonsononessunooko4066 Жыл бұрын
@@slalomking problably will be fine anyway 250$ its good quality anyway but if you have the money go for the moscow
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
hotwired stuff is fine but the mosko works way better as a standalone jacket