2022 BMW F850GS Adventure | Can it Still Compete? Let's Find Out.

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[@thepolishcannon]

Thank you for doing this review! I have a 2019 F850GS that I was able to get for a steal of a deal and pretty much fully kitted out. I agree, it isn't the most powerful and won't win races, but it is so easy to ride. I feel that the F850 is built for someone who wants to enjoy the adventure, where the more powerful options are for people who want to see how fast they can complete the adventure. The guys I have ridden with always seem to race to see how fast they can get through the trail. To me it defeats the point of adv riding if you are going too fast to soak in the scenery.

[@GH-ss7sn]

Loving your comment about what adv riding is all about. Enjoy your adventures as I do, Kevin.

[@CharlesLindsay1]

You're right that easy-to-ride is important! Predictable handling helps new riders build confidence. That and a smooth throttle. I like your idea about taking time to enjoy the scenery, and I also see there's also a time and a place for a bit of competition with your buddies, too. Adv riding is a big tent, and there are lots of ways to enjoy it. For me, the adventure includes view-stops.

[@davereinhart9933]

@@CharlesLindsay1 I agree as well. I own a 850GSA and love it. It gives me all that I need and a lot more off road, has all the power I need anywhere and has the tremendous build quality of a BMW. No need to race. Adventure is about enjoying the ride and not racing.

[@MauserKAR98a]

What range are you getting on your f850gs

[@thomas_swede]

@@MauserKAR98a depends on speed and driving style. Highway speed 110 km/h over 310 km,. If range is more important than the speed I think, easy on the throttle, you can go much longer. I have an f850gs, 2018.

[@NitroMike87]

I own a 21 GSA, rode it for 15000kms now. I go offroad with it, rode parts of the TET in europe fully loaded. Dropped it many times. I love it, it does anything you want it to do and doesnt break. No regrets

[@TimRHillard]

your bike is the 850 like this one? The tet sounds like a cool trip.

[@BernardAnderson]

I think Big Rock Moto sets a hell of a standard for reviews! Many thanks.

[@bh.76]

Massively underrated bike, and great for taller riders.

[@oldtimer3824]

The F850 GSA fills the ADV touring machine niche, it’s the old man’s adventure machine when freeway wind protection is paramount and hp doesn’t matter. That old man ADV rider, remembers the 1970s when a 100 hp motorcycle was an insane superbike and a 60 hp machine was considered fast - 90 hp is plenty with declining eyesight and reduced reaction time that occurs with aging. Nothing wears down an older rider more than hours of buffeting freeway blast getting to the easy dirt road or twisties. 538 pounds weight isn’t bad given 6 gallons of fuel, rear rack luggage system and crash bars. Take a standard 1250GS add a gallon of extra fuel, and crash bars and now you’re at 563. If you’ve also got side cases, the F850 GSA will be under 600 pounds and the full size adventure bikes will be over 600 pounds.

[@Scarletsb0y]

Thank you for this review, I've owned the F850 for 2 years now and totally agree with your comments. The reason I got this bike was my first large engine after passing my motorbike test here in the UK. I wanted a larger-engined bike as I was travelling 60 miles a day on freeways but as mentioned I wanted the smooth bike to carry on learning on how to ride a motorbike. Things that helped me chose this bike was the build quality, warranty and finish of the bike. I agree that is its a very heavy bike but once moving I don't notice the weight at all. Your spot on regarding the soft front forks, these should have been electronic just like the back but you do get used to the dive of them when stopping but I've never had any concern when having to do a hard stop which I've had to do a couple of times due to other road users. I did look at the 1250 GSA but comparing the 2 bikes the price difference here in the UK is about £4000 to have the same spec bike and the service is around £80 cheaper than the 1250 and insurance is also cheaper. I'm still glad that I got this bike over other mid-engine sized bikes and now I have a couple of years of riding a larger-engined bike I will be looking at the 1250 GSA or 1290 KTM next year. Great review which I think is an honest review and I think this bike is worth the money and getting compared to the other bikes in this engine size

[@manosajax]

I am in exactly the same position, coming up from a Honda CB500X 2019. I have just paid a deposit for this bike. I do around 100miles on the motorway for work, so wind protection is really important to me, and that’s one of the main reasons I picked this bike.

[@ray8328]

I have the standard F850GS for the least three years and I do not regret it. I did add an MRA screen to get some extra protection on the motorway (highway) and I would recommend this brand. I commute and the MPG (UK) on this bike is excellent 62-69 (4.5 - 4.1 l/100km), which is important when you are a daily commuter. When I compare the service costs to the 1200/1250 GS at the dealer, this bike is cheaper to run.

[@oliviergrongnet4736]

You can install the cartridge Touratech on your fork. You will not recognize your bike with.

[@ronanrogers4127]

I recommend the 1290, it’s a phenomenal bike. I rode it from Germany across Russia and back. Lots of off-road, Moto camping. It’s a brilliant bike, but unfortunately ugly IMO

[@DasMoose9001]

Ian, You literally made a financially impacting impression on me here. I truly love the 1250 GSA but this is much more appropriate for me, and I really never knew it....sales staff near me tend to push you towards the 1250. Thanks for this, I really appreciate it.

[@richardraz6401]

I have 'just' the 850 GS, 2019, and am well north of 70 years old. Your review was excellent, re the GS. I would add to those thinking of 'just' the GS: it is comfort feature-rich. It has an excellent elec-cruise control. The riding modes are terrific: dynamic is dramatic, and rain is safe especially for older, reduced reaction time folks. I upgraded to a 'flat' (mostly) Sergeant seat and a Madstad adjustable windscreen both of which has greatly increased comfort for long trips. I travel mainly old 2-lane roads doing 50 mph but also Interstates where I can more than keep up with traffic. Doing the former I can get 60+mpg and 250 miles out of the still too small 4 gal tank. [Hey, BMW, there are probably scooters out there with 4 gal tanks! Your bikes should at least have a shot at reach Poland before they need gas, twice!] Doing the big highways, especially with gear aboard, fuel economy plummets to the low 40s mpg and the range to way less than 200 miles. The tank size is its principal downside to me, and why I carry a small fuel bottle so I'm braver in using all of its 4 gallons. I find the bike balances well, especially for as tall as it is. Yes it's a 'heave' to get on (and off), but it makes for more leg room for longer rides; I also installed highway pegs on the forward down-bar of the engine guards (Touratech) for even more trip comfort. I have done, but would not recommend, an 800 mile ride day, once when it was necessary to make tracks. The bike has a great display with built in GPS and tire pressure monitor which was very handy, and an important safety feature, as I had a rear tire puncture at speed from a roofing screw (yeah...thanks Mississippi, but super nice people that stopped to help...thanks particularly to Wayne wherever you are); and, very gratefully, has tubeless tires AND wire wheels, so a plug got me home. 3 level heated grips. It's a great travel machine. But, if you're primarily a dirt person, I wouldn't recommend either the GS or the GSA. Charlie Sinewan, who's like circumnavigated the universe eleven times, went 'up' from the older 800 after (several universes of travel) to the 850, extolled its virtues and modernity, but then ultimately went back 'down' to the 800 because he is deep down a man of dirt, deep mud actually, creeks, rivers. If that's you, I don't think you'd be happy with any version of the 850s or 1250s. But then there's Charlie & Ewan...and they did it on theirs: 4 continents worth; they're not Charlie Sinewan (who's invented name "Sinewan" seems to mean in Spanish "Not Ewan," so a little humor there, but it suggests why he's left the big Beamer fold).

[@Stevemax07]

I put 13k miles on my 850GSA before trading on a 1250GSA. You gave this bike the most honest review and opinion I've ever seen. For me, the 850GSA was great for my commute. I just wanted an R1250GSA.

[@boanergesza11]

Thanks for your in depth review of this motorcycle. I had many options to choose from (Norden 901, KTM 790/890,1050' triump Tigers etc etc) I watched all your reviews and considered all the points and went for a 2019 F850 GS adventure Rallye with 12000km on it. Very happy with my purchase, and even though it's heavy, once it's moving the weight seems to disappear. So controlable and effortless on road or off. Keep at it, love your content!

[@eigenaar0191]

Another excellent review, Ian. I've owned this bike for two years now, and I would say you are spot on with your review. What I can add is that is has been totally reliable for well over 20.000km now. Nothing has broken or failed, no oil use or leaks of any kind or anything else. I think if you look around, at least here in Europe, you can get an 850 gsa with hardly any km's, almost new for a very good price. The bike is indeed the most comfortable out of all the bikes I have owned for the long tours I like, and it is surprisingly stable and fun off-road. I come from a 2018 1200GSA, and this handles much better off-road. Standing position is excellent, even for me at 6ft3". I agree about the front fork, you should get this out of the factory with at least an adjustable suspension. I am thinking long and hard about upgrading the front fork to the Tractive suspension, also sold by Touratech under their own name. What I read about is, is that it totally transforms the bike. The dynamic ESA in the back is great. Also the fuel economy is excellent on this bike. So I agree with you: it is a pretty strange bike, too heavy, not incredibly powerfull, average front suspension. But somehow, I really like this bike. When I get off the bike after a long days riding, I don't feel tired. It is great fun to ride in spite of its weight, because it just handles so well and secure. It has the power I need, and it doesn't break down. You can also carry a ton of luggage on it, and it still handles well. Greetings from Europe, keep up the great work. I think your reviews are among the very best out there!

[@ray8328]

I have the standard GS for 3 years and I agree 100% with your comments. 100% reliable, no oil use, great fuel economy and very comfortable.

[@jcc6664]

A review by someone who knows what he is talking about. Thank you. I have a GSA and must be a wimp as I don't find it underpowered. It is heavy but love the look and quality and handling.

[@petezny4343]

As always an excellent thoughtful review from Big Rock Moto. I have 2k miles on my big bumble bee 2021 F850GSA and think Ian's review is right on the money. It's VERY good on the road. It's pretty good on the dirt. I bought the BMW in the end over the Tenere 700 and the KTM 890 for the touring credentials. At times it's going to wear 80/20 tires and go cross country. Other times, like this summer, it's going to wear TKC80's and do some BDRs. When I solo really difficult sections of the BDRs I'll just use my KLX300. On weight I off road closer to 500 lbs. I stripped off the side and rear racks to save 15 lbs. I'll go with rackless soft luggage to stay light. And living in the north east I will rarely need to go off road with six gallons of fuel so it's easy to save another 20 lbs there (you can probably tackle the entire NEBDR with the range the 2 gallons on the KLX gives you). Drop the enormous CAT and you're under 500. The only nit I'll pick on Ian's review is his price comparison to the R1250GS. A base R1250GS does start at $18000 but it is a stripped road bike. Start down the options list to make it comparable to the fully optioned F85GSA and its suddenly a $24,000 bike. Jump to the R1250GSA with the same options packages and you're at $27,000. Compare that to $17,500 for the fully optioned F850GSA.

[@BigRockMoto]

Great points on the price. Huge difference

[@dcxplant]

Huge price difference "as tested". Do you get $10 grand more motorcycle on a G/S? I would never buy a GS Adventure; Much too massive. The big GS Adventures have become over-the-top massive. IMO, it seems likely BMW may back off on the mass on the next generation GSA, but I am ready to buy this year, or into spring of 23. As long as passing power is adequate, I'm happy. I've had a previous generation GS and loved it, however, when it comes down to it, I don't really need over 100hp. What I need is a tour capable bike that can do dirt roads and fair condition double-track. Looking at this and the Africa Twin as top runners.

[@TimRHillard]

I think that color combination you have is the best looking version they've ever put on the GSA.

[@0HARE]

With your thorough review, and all the discussion in the comments, I’m still sold on this bike. After considering all the advantages & disadvantages, I’ve come to the conclusion that this is the right bike for me. Currently saving up to purchase one…

[@citizenpmd565]

Who is the bike for ? People like me who don't want to pay £20k + for a 1250. I have just bought a 2021 850 GSA with every single option/pack added except the SOS button. Paid less than 12k for a bike with less than 700 miles on the clock. The bike is heavy, but amazingly comfortable, it will make a great long distance mile muncher. All the electronics of the bigger bike for a lot less cash. Not a "poor mans" GS, more likely a thinking mans GS.

[@mikemerrill175]

Based on my experience with my 1250 GS & watching your reviews, I have become convinced that anything much beyond a moderately rough jeep track is best handled by a 350-500 dual sport. Wish I’d reached that conclusion before beating the crap out of my once shiny triple black.

[@Liberty4Ever]

I want an ADV bike that's a luxury dual sport - a dual sport thumper with better road manners and a large fuel tank. The industry still doesn't quite get that. I have the G310GS and it's the best bike for my needs and wants (very little highway), but I still wish it had a 5-6 gallon fuel tank instead of 2.9 gallons. It'll be interesting to see what the new Honda TransAlp will be. I'm hoping 500-700 cc and a large fuel tank. I'd love it if it was a simpler version of the Africa Twin, an Africa Single, but I'd bet it'll be a 700+ cc twin to compete with the Tenere 700.

[@KuopioKallavesi]

@@Liberty4Ever install a bigger tank? one can modify bikes.. thats how u create a perfect bike for yourself...you modify it :D

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@KuopioKallavesi -It's not a DR650. The tank is very integrated. BMW didn't make it easy

[@matrixist]

600 Lbs. is not for off road. Dirt road sure, but not adventuring.

[@dougzink3148]

Having been an owner for 2.5 years, this review is right on target. I would also add that the MPG is the best i've seen on any bike, at about 60 miles per gallon.

[@davidreinhart4553]

I love my F 850 GSA. My last adv bike was a R 1200 GS. I wanted something with as much comfort on the road and more ridable off-road. The F 850 GSA nailed it for me.

[@NiklasAdv]

same its just amazing actually. not many speak of this model and bike, i guess from specs it doesnt sound that good in comparison to others but man, its a perfect mix for various riding and thats what adv riding is about.

[@c3h4organic97]

As an owner of a F850GSA (2020) with 17tkm, I agree everything you said in this review. BMW focus is on reliability and usability often taking the disadvantage to us thicker bolts (and more of them) and sturdier parts. This adds up and make this a fat lady. Some people need to understand, that there are weight limits for offroad challenges and even 200kg are too much for trickier terrain. I experienced the F850GSA with knobby tires to be a good bike on gravel roads and not too steep climbs as an very comforting "offroader". Thank you for the honest and useful review! Highly recommend your channel and your work.

[@jeffgAdventures]

Bought a 2019 850GS as my first motorcycle (55 and retired). Used it to learn slow speed handling and traffic management techniques, did a 3000+ mile cross-country trip from Detroit, through Chicago, St. Louis, Denver, to Phoenix...and tried some off roading in 4-Peaks area here in Phoenix. Heavy bike that lays very flat when it drops (I had the GS, not GSA). I needed help to lift it back up both times I dropped it. Great feature set (almost everything I could get on a 1250 at the time). After 9000 miles in the 8 months, two things happened: Bike was too heavy for me off-road, albeit some of this was my obvious limited skills. 2. My wife was taken by all the great pictures of the cross-country trip and wanted to ride with me. So, we traded the 850GS for 2021 Goldwing Tour. No more offroad, but wow; a touring beast. 27000 miles in 20 months...and love everything about it. I do miss the "adventure" aspect of travelling down occasional dirt roads...but can't justify 2 bikes. Great review.

[@CharlesLindsay1]

There's definitely something to be said for riding two-up, but I also want to go where cars can't, or wont go.

[@My_Ride]

Wow! The Goldwing is superior for on road traveling 👍🏻

[@CharlesLindsay1]

@@My_Ride a gold wing is a much different bike. More expensive to buy, insure, repair. And MUCH less off-road worthy, unless you’re these guys: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e37VqZiblMuUsNE

[@dashuntas.m4045]

“…but can’t justify two bikes” exactly, I’ve been searching for a ‘unicorn’ that can do it all for the same reason.

[@okupchurchiii7850]

try to pick up that Gold Wing !!!!! I am a small guy, 5'-7", 200lbs.....I had a BMW K1200LT (833lbs) and could pick that without any trouble.....I now have a BMW r1200gs lc, 649lbs......can pick this bike up too, but takes little more effort but not difficult......with the proper technique, you can pick up any bike too....search the internet for ways to pick up a bike.....I find that walking backwards into the bike is the best and easiest for me.....also, remember to have it in gear or you'll go around in circles......good luck and happy trails

[@brushcountry3604]

It’s definitely not underpowered if you take it out of road mode and put the bike in dynamic on the engine settings it’s a completely different bike like gigantic difference. I love it.

[@BigRockMoto]

It's the same power just different throttle response.

[@javiervio4189]

I would love to see your review of a regular F850gs

[@BrentonCarr]

I got a fully loaded GSA with 8K miles for 12 grand. At that price I didn't hesitate. I love it.

[@davidc1961utube]

Having ridden both the F700gs and the F800gs, I expect your review of the F750 to be more favourable, especially compared to the competition. I found the F800 to be a tall, twitchy PITA to ride slowly off road. The F700 was immediately comfortable, and I rode it confidently around Iceland on a tour, including several river crossings. The difference was enormous. This bike is heavier than the 150hp 94ft-lb Harley, which I took for a test ride at release. Say what you want about the motor company, that bike was fun, fast and comfortable on the street, and didn’t scare me on the gravel road I took it down. At least it wasn’t scarier than a GS1250, LOL. As you rightly conclude, this bike is OK for ADV touring, but there is a lot of very capable competition at this weight, price and power level. The BMW I really want to see is the rumoured 390 enduroish bike seen in spy photos. That would be a much better match to my riding style, skills and budget. Cheers!

[@JuergenJakob-zr2vs]

Hello from good old Germany, great reviews you do on motorcycles, thank you! A side note to the weight, may be i get that wrong but will see: i understand that the 850GSA is heavier than its competition. However, it comes with engine protection, luggage racks, central stand which in my experience count already for roughly 15-20kg (33-44lbs). If i add those three items to the competition the weight difference is bascically gone Also, taking about the 1250GS: if i add those items to it there is a significant weight difference all of the sudden. You may argue about the need of engine bars, central stand and luggage rack, however, basically 95% of the bikes will get those parts. Would you agree?

[@ama9401]

Old but not good anymore

[@JuergenJakob-zr2vs]

@@ama9401 yes, agree. just wanted to point out that the weight is not the real differentiator with the competition.

[@tjs201971]

Rewatching this video reminds me that the f750gs is better for shorter riders and new riders! Ian does amazing reviews and doesn’t hold back! Thanks again Ian!

[@beborodner930]

Been looking forward to this review.. Love your intelligent, useful, and entertaining take on all your reviews! Also thank you for showing the contact points on the drop test, Love to see that. As a tiger 800xc owner.. I had to learn the hard way on how expensive it is when you reply on the factory crash protection.

[@robsch5746]

Best thing about your reviews, is your clear pronunciation (because I’m non native) and your subtitles considering metric measurements…

[@timothydubber549]

As ever a fair review, and I certainly agree with some of it. I own a 2019 F850GS (non A) but have ridden this version too. UK based. Not used regularly as a pillion bike. Out of the two bikes the one to buy is the non A. The A feels a little too lardy, and the extra weight is noticeable. With the cost as well, you might as well buy the 1250. I bought the F850 for a few reasons. Firstly, the 21 inch front wheel is really nice for UK back roads, lanes with grass growing up the middle and too many potholes. Not ‘off road’, but very rough. The suspension is perfect for this, and I’m fussy about standard suspension. Secondly the standing, handlebar width and seating positions are absolutely superb, possibly the best of almost any bike out there. 500 mile days are absolutely no problem, including long stints in the motorway. Thirdly, it sounds great (not at idle!). In dynamic mode it pops, burbles and has a lovely intake noise, especially with the quickshifter. Finally, value. I bought mine ex BMW UK, practically new. An equivalent spec 1200/1250GS would have cost double. A 1200 or 1250 is probably better, but it’s not twice as good. F850 staggeringly cheap to insure too. I also like the way it looks, in person it has a very slim and svelte profile. Downsides are a little too much weight, the rattle from the engine at idle and another 10bhp would be nice but these are minor. I feel that some of the criticism of this bike is unfair. The 800 was a weird bike with a terrible engine, the 850 is a completely different machine, not even comparable. The engine is Chinese, but so is 90% of what you buy. At least the bike is assembled in Germany, which can’t be said for Triumph. Yes it’s not the most ‘exciting’ bike but I have my KTM 1290 SA-R for that. In dynamic mode and using the quickshifter, it’s pretty good fun. Finally, yes you could buy an Africa Twin for the same money, but then you’d be riding an Africa Twin, something I’d rather avoid.

[@CCShad]

Completely agree, I prefer the non GSA. I have an F850, I’ve cut weight on the bike where I could, and I always ride solo with light gear. Bike rips and rides great has all the features I want and more. It will run circles around a 1250 GSA off-road.

[@timothydubber549]

Very true. I think people don’t quite ‘get’ the 850. If you’re buying the GSA, then fitting metal panniers and carrying a months worth of luggage and a pillion you might as well buy the 1200/ 1250. I’ve set mine up like you. A rear rack, roll bag and the BMW short screen. No excess weight (apart from the rider!) and it makes a great solo, all roads tourer.

[@BigRockMoto]

GREAT feedback, thanks

[@terryboyle]

really impressed by how well thought out the crash bars are, after market manufacturers for other brands of bikes take note - especially for the heavier bikes.

[@rjeepster8640]

Really appreciate the mph per Rpm! Makes a huge difference when taking longer rides and we need that info. Great job!

[@michaelmarkin1532]

I own this same bike now has 13,000 kms on it. I find it much more manageable off-road with less than 1/2 tank of fuel. Surprisingly capable off-road particularly in Enduro-Pro mode, off-road braking and TC is excellent. Not a maneuverable bike at a standstill but as soon as it’s moving very stable. Would have liked an adjustable fork but it does a decent job of most riding conditions. Love the quick shifter off-roading as well.

[@nemanjapantic]

I own also this bike,but i dont have enduro pro mode,just enduro? How do you get it?

[@michaelmarkin1532]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6Dan5tsqLuinNE Plug is available from dealer. It’s just a jumper connnector.

[@ray8328]

@@nemanjapantic it comes with a small plug which you plug into the wiring harness under the seat. Check your motorcycle manual/service book and spare key, it maybe with them. If you lost it, just pop into a BMW dealer and ask them for a replacement.

[@Nanx42]

@@nemanjapantic The plug is not required anymore (at least on my one from 2021, Europe). In the settings of the drive modes you need to remove one to be able to activate it, cuz there is a limit of how many modes are possible to switch through with the mode button. No clue why they made it like this.

[@nemanjapantic]

@@Nanx42 thanks,i will try

[@srvmotoman]

I have seen several of your in-depth reviews. You are top notch and very informative....and no bs with your reviews. Cheers!

[@marcelisujecki4707]

Great review! Spot on in all the points about the bike. I owe a 2019 Bmw 850gsa with 1600 miles and I love it! The biggest reason I got it instead of the regular 1250 is the bigger tank! Commuting on a freeway I can get more than 200 miles per fill ups than less than 150 with a small tank ! Almost $10k more to go on a 1250 gsa! It fit my needs for now until I get my my big 1250gsa!

[@Gren83]

I think the reason it doesn't have more power is so BMW can get in on the European riders with the mid class motorcycle licenses. You are limited to 47 hp on that licence and the motorcycle can't be detuned by more than half it original power. Which is exactly where this bike fits in. A lot of these are sold detuned where I live, although it's probably not very exciting with barely 50 hp.

[@OzTwanger]

Torn between this and an Aprilia Tuareg

[@rbrucerogers]

Thanks for pointing out the 4 gallon fuel capacity on the regular 850GS. I've been looking at a used one to downsize from my 2016 KTM 1290 Super Adventure, but I don't think I could live with the reduced fuel range.

[@Marc-zf3xv]

As an owner of this bike, I moved from a 1200GS to this for the 21" front wheel and chian drive, those were compelling differences for me. If BMW can find 20-30 pounds to drop without sacrificing the many amenities and throw the 900XR motor in this bike it would take an already good bike and make it very very competitive against the newer bikes. Overall great video, well balanced and your opinions reflected my experience riding this bike 17k miles over the past 9 months.

[@davidreinhart4553]

Made the same choice after owning a R 1200 GS. The F 850 GSA hits the right spot for me. I too, wish it had a little more engine and the 900 would probably do it.

[@Marc-zf3xv]

@@davidreinhart4553 the thing about power is, your bike usual only feels slow when being ridden with faster bikes. Ha

[@ChrisPrast]

The 850 GSA is like a Swiss pocket knive. It does it al and brings you everywhere. The main thing is the skills of the rider. It is a heavy bike, so you need skills to ride dirt. Practice brings you further than buying a 50 pound lighter KTM.

[@rodrigomrp3004]

As always, great and honest review with lots of valuable info. Please, when will you review the Aprilia Tuareg 660 comparing it to other midsize adventure bikes?? Many thanks Ian.

[@stephenrice9497]

Thanks for this review, currently looking for a “smaller” adventure bike and found this very useful.

[@hangingnutsjimmy88]

hit that t7 bro

[@woodspecialist83]

How does a 16k gsa850 price compare to the 26k gsa1250? 850 is 10,000 cheaper

[@Aluten1985]

You nailed it when you pointed out the Africa Twin comparison. I nearly bought this BMW but went with the AT. It just made more sense.

[@dommotos]

At same price make sense but AT is more expensive more than 20%, AT has a price of 1250 gs in Brazil

[@Aluten1985]

@@dommotos Oh really? I had looked at the 850 GS Adventure and it was the same, actually a little more but I didn't get the AT Adventure Sports, maybe that's the difference.

[@murraybalkcom]

I notice that so many reviews of this bike, including this one, mention it doesn’t have a lot of power, but they are riding in “road” mode. (Probably required to since they are loaner bikes.). Change mode to dynamic or enduro and see if you have the same impression of power. My last bike (1994 CBR 1000) didn’t have modes. It was all power all the time. I think it put out around 140hp and was a beast of a bike. Reviews should include all riding modes for these bikes to give a complete impression. I also notice many reviews give the review with the typical set up right off the showroom floor. Bikes should be set up custom for each rider. I know this bike has non adjustable front suspension and electronic rear, but many bikes don’t.

[@snowcityrider4114]

I replaced the front with the Traktive Cartridge; best money spent on this bike. now i get adjustable front suspension way better suited for offroad without diving when carving mountain roads on tarmac.

[@givemeanaxe]

Ive owned a 750GS for 3 years now.. I'm super curious to see how you would compare the two of them. I love so much about these 850's...

[@brianwaters8269]

Worth saying this bike review is an excellent piece, great format and structure good detail and clear balanced opinion. Of course I now need to watch the Africa Twin review...

[@Ironhawx]

If I ever get a GS it will be this 850. Currently still getting comfortable with the KTM 790R, I think mid weight ADV is the right balance between long highways and technical off roads.

[@codyeichelberger129]

I'm looking to upgrade from my klr 650. This bike is my pick so far. Think itll be like riding a Cadillac from what I have now.

[@dancod00]

I'm riding this one for a little over a year and about 6000 miles (rough conversion). Funny enough, I chose this one because it was the cheapest of the pack. For about 16'500$ (taxes included), I got it loaded (all packages such as esa, touring, confort, tire pressure monitoring, QS AND the two lateral aluminium cases), which was almost 8k$ less than the 1250, 6k less than a comparably set up Africa Twin, or even comparable to a T700... The choice was definitely a no brainer at that price point, and since it's your main reason for not recommending it, it'd make it a best buy in your book as well I think.

[@robertcooper6910]

I’m shopping for a new bike after writing off my F850GS. No structural damage….headlight, TFT, witches and cosmetics. One thing to keep in mind with BMW is that OEM parts are crazy expensive! I might bite again, but I’ll have a good look at the Africa Twin. Great review as always btw!

[@ararami1]

Impressive video and review. I really love this 850 GSA, how it looks, how it is built, and the tank capacity, I also like the fuel economy. However, New Africa Twin Adventure Sport is offering way more and better features, bulletproof reliability, and a beautiful design. I’m not sure about which one will be my next bike. I’m coming from a DL 1000 V-strom adventure. Which was another battle tank, super reliable. At this point, probably I will choose the Africa twin. I will consult it with my pillow. I really appreciate this amazing review, it gave me another perspective for one of my dream bikes. Stay and ride safe!

[@pedrovazquez9146]

Great production quality, like the new background music.

[@davewilton3101]

First time I have come across your channel. Really nicely done review. I am considering downsizing from an Indian Challenger to something lighter (I'm 70) with decent weather protection and I'd say this bike is on the shortlist. Plus my Indian dealer also sells BMW and the service dept is excellent. In 2005 I bought a new bmw k1200s, rode it for 7 years, had a few issues after the warranty period expired, one major, and bmw stepped up to the plate and looked after them. My dealer says their warranty support is still excellent. May demo one today if the dealer will let me take a demo out in rain....best time to check out the weather protection.

[@KeepingitAnalog]

Yep, I am buying one. You just can beat them.

[@motechRevolution]

I have just bought and am reviewing a Voge 900 DSX, for all intent and purpose. Its the same bike as this. I am going to link this video to my review. It pretty much sums up my opinions of the DSX . Ride safe and thanks for the reviews.

[@geoffwilliams6900]

I found when riding 0ff road enduro pro mode fully adjustable was way better with a-lot more power and better suspension than just enduro mode and you can ride through the rough conditions quite fast , when on road dynamic mode has a least 20% more power than road mode raises the rear end by an inch and found the power awesome and the steering sharper . you need to re-ride the bike in these modes , to discus the power output more fairly Kind regards Geoff

[@sunrisejak2709]

Very few adventure bike riders go off road. The vast majority simply tour on their adventure bikes. BMW understands that usage and focuses the 850GS in that vain. Weather protection, comfort, smooth "friendly" engine, and feature set means the overall experience with the predominant use style will prevail. Even the weight is pretty much immaterial on long distance touring. Just as the 4 wheel drive SUV and truck markets rarely utilize their off road capabilities so too is the approach with this adventure category. A short comment on engine power. Most higher output engines make the bulk of their power higher up the rev range. But, most riders tend to short shift and don't have the competency to extract the added performance at those engine speeds. I actually don't own this bike. I have the "road sister" F900XR. It's laughingly listed as an adventure bike too but anyone with any understanding knows it's a sport/tourer. But similar underpinnings.

[@DennisMcCrohan]

One thing I would ask Ian, is that when you compare bikes, normalize the weight. Take the wet weight, subtract off the fuel, and then add in options so that bikes are comparably equipped (at least w.r.t things that weigh something). I've been shopping for a new bike, and as best I can figure out, the weight difference between the GSA and the AT Adventure Sports is negligible once you add missing things to the AT. Fuel should be subtracted off because different bikes have different size tanks, but you can always ride with a less than full tank (which on my Versys 650 I always do on dirt) but it is hard/expensive/inconvienent to add fuel capacity. I thought I wanted an AT, but as I compared the bikes more, and also discovered there simply aren't any non-DCT (and hardly any DCT) models for sale in my area (PNW), I'm more leaning in a direction I never thought I would, which is BMW. It's also the only medium/large ADV bike currently available in this area in any numbers (the local Honda and Yammy dealers refer to Africa Twins and T7's as "unicorns" that they only hear about).

[@rev7833]

Bmw 850 gs or Triumph Tiger 900 rally? I am trying to decide between the two bikes.

[@teetrajur1061]

Tiger!

[@awesomeagnihotrisvlog]

Get the tiger900

[@DennisMcCrohan]

Just bought one of these last week. Tried a 2021 AT DCT with 167 miles on it that the dealer had taken in trade. Said that the guy who traded it in didn't want to discuss why. In 10 minutes I could sure see why - DCT had the bike in 5th gear at 30mph, engine vibrating like a single. Tight parking lot turns were scary, too scary for me to even attempt right turns (where I might feel tempted to take my foot off the rear brake to dab). Asking price was only $1k or so less than the F850GSA. So took it out for a ride. Came back in and negotiated the price to below the asking for the used AT. Dealer thru in an extra 6 months of warranty coverage to boot. After riding it for a week, I'm over my Africa Twin fetish. My guess is that an equivalent AT Adventure Sport with all the same stuff on it would weigh almost as much, cost more, and a DCT (which is the only kind available here) would be 20 pounds heavier. Weather protection here in the PacNW is an important issue and matters to me more than raw horsepower, which I can't use anyway. I haven't even ridden it with a full tank, won't bother filling it past 4 gallons until I'm starting some long highway slog. Oh, and the dealer nicely had a couple of guys lower the bike onto a carpeted floor so I could try picking it up before I bought it! Great job Lynnwood Motoplex!

[@willywinket]

I’m teetering. T7 or 890R or Transalp or 850GSA. So many good middle weight models out there.

[@dcxplant]

THANK YOU for including not only the maintenance schedule, but ease of service in you reviews. MPG/Range would be very nice to see as a standard feature of reviews. the GS final drive now requires as much maintenance as a chain, perhaps more. A chain with an automatic oiler after an initial stretch-in, can go 20k with merely a quick adjustment vs the GS who's final drive has to be cracked open and greased. A dicey operation if the person performing the service in the field is not meticulous about cleanliness. Great content, thank you.

[@TheRealChetManley]

Specs on the KTM bikes are much better all around. The issue is dealing with KTM. I love their dirtbikes, but I keep hearing horror stories about their road bikes, especially the 890 Adventure R and the Norden. For that reason alone I wouldn’t consider them. I’d rather spend a little bit more to get the BMW. Their dealer network, warranty and customer service are worth the peace of mind when spending that much on a new bike.

[@cameronmcpherson6364]

Just traded my 310 for an 850 GSA today. Your content was instrumental in me deciding which mid size adventure bike to buy.

[@TimRHillard]

One thing about price though, BMW is the only manufacturer who offers anything like EasyRide. This bike is like $220 per month base, and about $265 per month with the Premium Package. Traditional financing would be like $370 a month. Thats not bad.

[@mikebentley3526]

Great video, I love my 850gs standard. It is super comfortable and has enough power for me. Keep the good work!

[@dildan1038]

Thanks for posting this, enjoyed watching your review and gave you a like, especially for not editing out 24:35, kudos. Cheers.

[@dravmenon]

Seeing this review in 2023. Was comparing F850GSA with Africa twin. Supercool review

[@clemoniii]

Ok, I've had a 2022 F850 GS-Adventure since Christmas. You missed a few large issues: 1. The crash bars will NOT protect the big EXPENSIVE gray fairings of the Adventure models of you do anything but tip-over at a standstill. Street or dirt, any moving crash will dig those expensive plastics into the ground. If you have a full tank and any luggage, the center of gravity will cause the bike to rest on those plastic bits and you'll be doing DEEP knee bend to lift it. So why do I like mine? 1. It is SUPREMELY comfortable on road (asphalt, gravel or dirt) 2. With clutch work, it is quite 'nimble' in technical terrain. 3. It's no where as top heavy as the Tenere. 4. It doesn't have enough power to make want to ride it like a hooligan!!! I lost my license 3 times when I had a Yamaha RZ500 back in the 1980's 5. It has real cruise control. A must go me to not get a speeding ticket. 6. It is surprisingly stable in crosswinds AND when passing or being passed by big trucks. The only mods I've made are addition of HEED "bunker bars" for full protection of the tank and those expensive gray "Adventure series" plastic parts . Also added BlackDog skid plate and BlackDog wider/longer footpegs. It will always have knobbies. Current favorites are the Bridgestone Battlax Adventurecross AX-41s. They squirm less than TKC-80s in slick mud and seem to stick a tad better on twisty pavement too. I still have my beloved Beta 200 and 300 two strokes for real single track and technical terrain, but I'm getting old and more leisurely "Adventure riding" is better for my older and more brittle bones.

[@tombstone2826]

Great review dude ! It's between the Yamaha and BMW F850 and it looks like the BMW at this point !

[@stephenscott6570]

Thanks for this review. My second watching. To assure myself I made the right purchase. I’m just back into MC after 30 years. I am not a power junky. So has all power I want and after first 175 miles, half on BLM dirt roads, it is working well.

[@kohjor224]

Wow I think I’m most impressed with the audio quality while riding!

[@joeybobbie1]

Thanks Ian for a Great Review. You’re right. You might as well get the 1250GS. I’m really interested in seeing the 750GS if it’s not as heavy and has the lower sear height. I would really like a Lighter Bike, but I need the Comfort and the Highway Cruising Abilities. Hopefully the 750Gs fits the Bill. I don’t think I would go for the 850.

[@olliechristopher467]

Reason the brakes are soft is they need to be bled. All new bikes can get improved braking by a simple bleed. It's one of the first things I do after taking delivery. Exception is the KTM. Dealers always do a bleed as part of prepping for customer at request.

[@Buckeyesully]

Can't wait for a review of the 2024!

[@SaskatoonPaul]

Very good review, and being a Canadian I really appreciate the conversion to metric

[@aftonos]

Would be interested to see a review of the f900 gs adventure and hear how it compares to the 850 and competition

[@michaeldobson8859]

I would agree, that the weak spot on the 850 is the front end. Not having the dynamic capability on the front makes it half of what it could be. Especially at that price point. The only other ding is the weight, how can it be almost as heavy as a 1200 GS or 1250? That just should not be the case.

[@jaytownjunkyardfiles1999]

Isn't that 850 engine made in CHI-NA?

[@sergeycataev2867]

Just have test ride it this Saturday. Felt a bit top heavy for me, though I’m not small bloke. 6’3, and 100kg. After it tested r1250rs (not adventure I know) but still boxer engine . And I think boxer engine felt much better both character wise and balance wise. Good review, thank you !

[@chadkline4268]

How are you liking the RS? I am interested in it and am same size as you. Does it fit and ride well all day? Is it good for all day touring?

[@dvh00hvb]

Love this review, picked up a 1998 r1100gs not too long ago and instantly fell in love with it. BMW had a good formula back then and from what I’ve heard everyone still lives there gs bikes. I have been considering an 850gsa because every bad thing I’ve heard is something that is still better than my gs. Even with that said I take my bike on trails it has no right to be on and with some effort make it though. The only reason to get rid of my 1100 is just to get some modern touches that I wish I had. I am patiently waiting to see these on the used market and once the depreciate I think they will become classic BMWs.

[@birkdale10]

I have the 2021 version of this bike, fully loaded, same specs. I agree with *almost* everything said here. I would add that the gas mileage is astounding - usually over 50mpg. But...maybe I should spell that "butt"...the seat sucks. After 1.5 hours on that saddle, I am on the edge of serious physical pain. I once put a 10 hour day on an FJR1300 and was sore and tired, but I was not actually hurting, as this seat does to me.

[@pascalmg6209]

Great video! I do agree with, BMW does offer a relatively competitive price with the standard version of this bike. But once you are in the shop, they will sell you the 1250...

[@roanwestraat9604]

This is a great review, thank you.

[@nationalinterest1]

From 2019 BHP is now 94 which is the same as the Triumph Tiger 900.

[@marcready6369]

That was an excellent review. I think there is no need for BMW to ostracize you as you fairly assessed this beautiful & unique motorcycle. It looks great and would be a joy to ride for the right rider. It is a premium machine, and not what i would get as the AT is somehow lighter & has a bigger engine that will not strain on long or high speed road riding. It has some features i like, and handles better than i expected so i hope BMW appreciate your fair and objective review of this lovely bike. I particularly like the tank size, the wind protection and the factory crash bars, oh and that display and power ports should be on every new bike IMHO.

[@adambrown8867]

I can touch the ground to confidently hold this bike up. I could not do so on a Triumph Tiger 900 Rally. I bought a BMW 850 GS. Unfortunately it came with road tires, so I have to buy enduro tires for it.

[@laurentmoreau3115]

Nice in depth review, as usual, thank you. Appreciate the price discussion. A few inch/centimeters conversions where missed. How effective is that air fin hidden at the top of the fork? I'd be interested in a few more comparisons with competition: fuel consumtion (let's say on high ways), grip heaters effieciency, motor sound.

[@gilbertogranados6367]

one thing you forgot to touch on is reliability, how reliably are these 850s GSA Ian? I do travel solo most of the time and that's one topic I just cannot overlook

[@knot_so]

This might be weird but I would like to see this bike again the KTM 1290 adventure. 2 reasons, 1. They have the same size fuel tank and 2. Most people won’t use the power on the 1290 advanture so in return you get more range and more comfortable ride on road I think. Weird approach but hey. Also both chain drive unlike 1250 gs or gsa

[@someguy5035]

The best entry point for a BMW mid-size is the F750GS. - $10.9K. Everything above it, to include the premium versions of the 750 itself, price themselves out of the market.

[@Nxxi.]

i picked up my 2022 F850GSA TE triple black 2 weeks ago and i love it already. 780 miles in im waiting for my first service on Saturday before doing any more miles on it. I had considered the Africa twin (DCT model) but in the UK its £3k more than i paid for my full spec GSA and a few people i know have had terrible reliability issues and poor service from Honda. The 1250 with the same spec is around £8k more and in my world its just not worth it. KTM have a TERRIBLE reputation in the UK, with very poor reliability and terrible dealers so this was ruled out for me right away (the Husky is basically a KTM so that was a no from me too - despite it being very sexy indeed!) No the 850GSA is not the fastest bike but calling it 'slow' i feel is unfair, i was out with 3 1200/1250 owners Saturday and i had zero issues keeping up with them at all times. While a small detail, in the UK the bike is listed with 95hp rather than 90. Excellent video as always, your reviews are definitely some of the best on KZbin 👍

[@user-jr3hp9bd9h]

In South Africa the 850 also has more power than in the USA. 70kw and 92 Nm. @ian..did you ride it in dynamic mode on the road? The short section It looks like the bike was in Road mode..

[@ADVScott342]

Very good honest review and yes it kind of fits into a category of its own , I think also a negative for me is the short valve adjustment interval at 12k so basically every 3rd oil change is also a valve adjustment maintenance cost. But seems like a well rounded bike with good touring aspects like your review implicates. Tuff decision on this one for sure. Thanks for putting so much time in these reviews you cover all the bases and are at the top of heap of trusted evaluations👍

[@ray8328]

I got the first valve check done at the last service and it was not too expensive. Turned out all valve tolerances were within spec so no adjustments required. They only charged me the extra labour which was about 100 euro more than normal.

[@kenbaldwin1197]

Hey Ian- Thanks for the very thorough and fair review of this bike. I am on the north side of 50 years now, so I am ok without 154HP in a KTM!. You mentioned the Dynamic Mode setting was for just the ESA in the rear suspension - that's only half the story. It also is tied to the throttle response and is almost a launch control with instant power to the rubber. Dynamic is fun as hell compared to the other modes. Rain mode is like riding a slug, but it will never spin out unless you really crank it. I purchased the 2021 F850GS a few months ago specifically because the 540 pounds of the GSA scared me off. Mine still weighs in at 504, but it is manageable and smooth as anything. As you know, BMW USA does not even import the "base" models and instead offers only the Select and Premium packages. Mine came with all the toys in the Premium (including Enduro Pro mode) and is essentially the Adventure with a 4.1 gallon tank, tiny bit less front fork travel, regular foot pegs, regular brake pedal, and a bit less plastic fairing. With Premium package and the ridiculously expensive ($2k) aluminum panniers, and the service plan, I walked out $21k lighter in the bank account. (No sales tax in Oregon or it would have killed me!!!) Worth it? So far, yes. But- the first thing I added was SW-Motech crash bars more like the one you tested, and 2x 1gal Rotopaks for Eastern Oregon adventuring because 4 gallons just isn't enough... so, I could have essentially done that with the Adventure model I guess. I like the option of riding it 35lbs lighter every day, and adding weight when it suits me. You mentioned the 3/36 warranty and that was the final decision point for me over a Triumph Tiger that day. I trust BMW to keep me rolling for the next three years. Rumor has it the 2022 and on model years will come with 5 year warranties! I will be at the Giant Loop Rally in Eastern Oregon first week of June- pop on up, you can take it for a spin and see how it compares to its fatter cousin the GSA!

[@BigRockMoto]

great feedback! thanks

[@adrianm.1910]

I would put it in dynamic mode for the twisties. The bike changes its personality when dynamic is set. I have 5000 mi with mine and I agree with this review. Thanks, Ian!

[@adv_rider]

Rode the F850GS Standard back in 2020 for a full day and I liked one thing and hated 2 things about it. Loved the engine torque and how it felt but absolutely hated the clutch lever feel (the computer mouse click it makes every time you pull it) and how uncomfortable the seating position was. The seat was too low and pegs too way back and handlebars a bit forward, it felt like a sport bike rather than a dirt bike. On the other hand when you sit on an Africa Twin it feels like a big dirt bike. I hope this adventure version is better in that sense because I really loved the engine.

[@thejohnnerparty]

This is a really good review - lots of perspective. Everything we get here is from a professional with tons of experience. This is just too valuable to ignore. A big thumbs up.

[@Carlnewman68]

What a fantastic review, very professional clear spoken and as a GSA rider I would think about this when it’s time to find a bike a little easier as age catches up to me . Thank you

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@GerhardCombrink]

Wanted to buy one to replace my F800gsa, loved everything about it except the lethargic performance which meant I ended up saying no. The 800 had great low down torque which made it more enjoyable to ride every day. The 850 you have to ride hard all the time just to feel something is happening. I was hoping for a better motor especially given the weight increase. It is amazing on a highway though as you’ve said.