Crazy Test with 3 Dump Trailers WAY Overloaded! See which ones failed!

[@BTBRVReviews]

For all you RVers: all three trailers were 14ft long. The lightest load was as heavy as a fully loaded LUXE 48ft Toy Hauler Fifth Wheel!

[@orrfamily641]

I've used all types of dump ram systems in the heavy construction industry and the semi single ram is great BUT I've also seem many of them tip over, two main reason. 1. The operator doesn't lift on a level and solid grade. 2. The material gets hung up on the front of the trailer and one side brakes free while leaving the material weight off setting and twisting the ram and dumping the truck and trailer. Engineers can apply all the math for PERFECT mechanic's of lift and stress points, the one variable that can't be figured in their equation is when the load hangs up and the operator is inexperienced in realizing there's a problem before the point of no return.

[@glennschatz8389]

For sale, three trailers only used once!

[@ryanallen98]

What size?

[@BigInjun05]

Give me a good deal i need one of those anyway. Ill change all the seals.

[@Sicktrickintuner]

They actually gave them away. Although the one with a bent frame they replaced first

[@Observer82AB]

@@Sicktrickintuner Wouldn't the bent frame refer back to their engineer expert? I have worked with engineers before.

[@SuperKelbe]

As is...

[@DJXLLC66]

This video convinced me to buy from Texas Pride. Jim, the owner came out and talked a while when I was picking my trailer up. Super nice guy.

[@ryanbruckhart1284]

When it comes to deciding what type of lift system I want in a dump trailer, I’d take the single cyclinder telescopic system, it’s proven technology that’s reliable and has power to move way more than it’s rated safely, it was definitely cool seeing the how different lift systems react to being overloaded

[@almangrant7358]

You guys nailed it with this topic for the serious trailer user. I dont have the time to do this kind of testing on my own, answered some nagging back of the mind thoughts on hoist configuration.

[@babranson1]

I have an old 72 Donahue 8x16 grain trailer. I was hauling driveway gravel. The sand pit operator had broken his arm so his wife was running the loader. I came across the scale at 30060 lbs on three axles. The front axle of the pickup was off the scale. The old girl protested but lifted the load. It has a scissor lift. Scissor lifts help raise the load evenly when not loaded even side to side. Great video!

[@skipyoder9191]

I have one of those as well, it was always my favorite trailer. I have a 8x20 with a scissor lift and it can't lift if I'm fully loaded with shingles. I'm needing to figure that out.

[@robertheinkel6225]

We had a tree removed,and the crew used a dump trailer, with a scissor lift. I noticed they kept two blocks of wood under the front of the trailer, preventing it from coming all the way down. It stopped about a foot from being all the way down. I asked why, and was advised, that was the only way they could dump heavy loads.

[@davidmarrs1637]

Sounds like you went with the cheapest bid

[@williamd6967]

18 ply it's about time.After tire failure for years I bought a set of 14ply for my duel cly 12'.4 'sides dump no more worries.for years these things were sold with cheep ass tires.

[@OKRMetric]

no matter what your trailer says the rating is, the DOT will look at your tires and what their weight rating is will most likely be your Achilles heel. all 4 tires weight rating combined is all the weight you can put on the ground, trailer and product combined.

[@javiermartinez815]

i bought one telescopic this year and is awesome and yes it is TEXAS PRIDE made , i love it

[@jamesnm21]

How's the paint holding up? In the past texas pride seems to have a below par paint job compared to other top brands.

[@CrumbScum]

Looking to get a Texas pride are you still liking it?

[@me005003]

Look at the BIG trucks they all telescopic, enough said. Been pulling dump trailers 19 years, frame, frame less, tub, square, closed tandems, spread axle. I've had 79,000 lbs IN THE TRAILER, no issues dumping.

[@patdenney7046]

I've hauled 22 thousand in the trailer with the scissor lift we use bars on both sides to get it started to dump. Tires take a beating . Always put 17,000 in the trailer at the Gravel Pit it's the perfect heavy load. For a pickup! Very good trailers. There is one thing though on the tailgate The Swinging Doors the outside pockets fill with water causes the weld to rust and they break. If they had a hole in the bottom of the pocket they should drain.

[@mike93lx]

Would have been a heck of a lot easier to get a weight on the truck and not having to unhook each time

[@ADHDAdventurer]

They should had a scale under the jack so they know the weight distribution.

[@coreyl1501]

"We argue with each other enough". JD just revealed he is an engineer. Bravo bud!

[@chuydeleon6039]

Okay

[@mikemccabe7124]

This video is exactly why I use and will continue to use Texas Pride trailers.. not only do they produce well overbuilt trailers they also stand behind their trailers just as well plus they treat you better than just a customer they treat you like family and go out of their way to make sure your 100% confident that you made the right purchase and that it's setup in the best possible way for what your using it for

[@davidsdean]

telescopic has been around forever, dump trucks have been utilizing this for decades

[@HubertofLiege]

@@davidsdean so has scissor lift, I have a late 1940s lift and box fabbed onto a trailer.

[@MTTRANSPORTTX]

There are still a lot of variables in this test. Battery strength and where the dirt is loaded in the trailer to start. Should have used concrete blocks instead that way it could be put in the same location in the trailers between the three.

[@steveashworth6707]

I had problems with a telescopic lift on a 1 ton dump, but a lot of people have told me a pusher sissors lift is the best on a truck, but I bought a dual cylinder thinking it would be sturdier!, and lift the weight its rated for with out any problem!, I will not overload it because the tires are only so strong!. I dont care how fast it dumps as long as it works good!. What a great test!.

[@Michael-hg2sq]

Great video! Thanks for the info. That pin can be held in place by a piece of chain and an implement pin w/locking ring. Hook the chain at the bottom of the door. Drill the pin hole in the handle. Make the chain where it tightens, before the door pin clears its locking hole. Just a thought, I'm looking for a 7 x 12 , with a spread gate. Thanks again!

[@StefanBacon]

Dual cylinders provide no redundancy if they're on the same circuit.

[@rodneytatman449]

bzacon They also do no good individually if they're on opposite sides of the trailer.

[@Puckgrinder85]

No, but there are easy ways around that.

[@rodneytatman449]

Puckgrinder85 Such as?

[@jboone8561]

If one fails in series they both fail. If the are plumbed independent and one fails it just bends the hell out of the trailer and probably won't lift.

[@jboone8561]

I don't think it would ever be an approved designed if they were independent due to a risk factor

[@ojacinto72]

Load placement is another added factor in how much weight you can load on them.

[@ADHDAdventurer]

Exactly, load it to the rear and it’ll dump much more than if loaded to the front.

[@treadlightlyservicesllc.1930]

We have nothing but scissor lift dump trailers, with a simple adjustment of the pressure relief which is set way too low from the factory it will dump more than you can put in it. The only reason it won't lift is it goes into hydraulic relief right away. With the weights we Haul, I believe it's time to move to a gooseneck versus bumper pull.

[@GeneralBigFoot]

Tread Lightly Services LLC. That may be something I need to look into ASAP. Dump my 14k at about 20-22k 5+ times a day and man does it struggle.

[@IManOPERATOR]

Also large thing with a scissor lift in the placement of the cylinder on my dump it’s with in the first 4 feet of the dump bed. It’s able to dump 10-12k no problem every time. Even when most of the weight can be right on top of the cylinder.

[@robhartshorn6823]

We increased the scissor lift pressure on our farm truck dump bed just enough to get it to lift fully loaded and it worked for a while till the lift cylinder blew apart. Then we got to unload the whole bed of grain with shovels and repair the scissor lift.

[@skipyoder9191]

@@robhartshorn6823 I really shouldn't have laughed, because I know what that's like.

[@straight_to_finish]

Haven’t read all the comments but, gross weight rating doesn’t necessarily focus on safe lifting limits, but also on tow worthiness and safety. Here’s a thought: do a test of an overloaded trailer hard braking from highway speeds.

[@sunseeker6088]

BEST trailer comparison on KZbin. Well done

[@OKRMetric]

for comparison, I drive a dump truck with a drop axle meant to increase the amount of weight I can carry and my max load is about 15 tons.. you loaded the first trailer with 16 tons.. that is taxing the hell out of that trailer.. nice job and great video.. thanks..

[@MrTortureandtorment]

A very good made in Texas product. Buy local folks!

[@notimportant3686]

so you're saying only texans (or just about) should buy them?... screw the dakotans and mainers

[@ethanlyman795]

Look like some nice trailers. I have a 2019 big Tex 14lx that I got for too good of deal to pass up but the welds are junk I’ve had a stake pocket and a door fall off from poor welds

[@haleyaiden4295]

Would have been good to see instrumented amp voltage cylinder pressure and rise rate. cylinder area?

[@stacyreid5077]

I really need to up grade from my homemade dump trailer made from an old grain truck with the bed at 13'L X 8'W X when I put sides on whatever height I use plywood

[@mp-xt2rg]

Redundant doesn't mean what you think it does. Redundant mean the extra isn't necessary. If one cylinder fails on a twin system they whole thing goes down. That's to opposite of redundant.

[@wanyemerritt5517]

Electric over hydraulic pump have a pressure set screw in the pump . I always turned them up a little to get more on the pressure side less return. Used to load 8 - 9 tons no problem

[@BZ1340]

Test them at -20. Cold weather, shows the weaknesses. Then show me the comparisons.

[@treepros]

BZ1340 who gonna work in those type of conditions ? Test them at a temp when it’s workable

[@BZ1340]

@@treepros Well for 5 months of the year we are minus 20. So It's either work or lose jobs.

[@jschenkyou]

@@treepros Because that's what Men do.

[@MustObeyTheRules]

Jonathan Schenk wow you’re so tough, so so tough.

[@MrTrucker9000]

@@BZ1340 Is your gonna be working in them kinda temperatures you definitely want one the powers up and powers down I have a 12' By 7' Love it

[@Highstranger951]

Nearly all dump trucks use the telescopic cylinder, don’t mess with success

[@dougzahradnik5282]

Power up and power down in northern states. Free fall in cold weather. And light weight trailers. They come down microscopic slow.

[@meadowviewlawncarellc8079]

JD you’re absolutely correct. My dump trailer has the piston underneath. The first 6 inches is the hardest when it’s loaded front heavy, after that it’s fine. The style you have wasn’t offered when I brought mine but if I ever get another dump trailer I’m gonna get the kind you have.

[@ADHDAdventurer]

The second stage isn’t as strong as the first, I’d seen plenty of dump trucks get a load 1/3 of the way dumped and the next stage was maxed out. With the single or dual, the angle is bad for the first 6-12” as it’s pushing back more than it’s pushing up. It’s extremely likely that the first on would of lifted up and then overloaded the next stage before the load shifted. Once the load shifts and starts dumping it’s lighter and will dump so really depends on what you haul and if you can shift the load soon enough.

[@alanbrothers6804]

Awesome video! I hope they offer them up as a demo unit and let us subscribers hope fully get an awesome deal on one of these beauties.

[@charlesmetherd9136]

Not surprising. The front telescopic lift may be new for these types of trailers but the telescoping cylinder life such as this has been used on the BIG dump trucks for decades.

[@andrewgardner3801]

Charles Metherd that’s it I was like where have I seen this before.lol

[@johnhalter445]

A real man on that jack handle

[@toddfessenden2102]

Only one big problem I've been curious about. The only reason to buy a "Dump Trailer" is to be able to dump the load. There was only one Trailer that could actually "Dump" the load. Front cylinder Trailer it will be for me. Thanks for the very informative information I needed gents.

[@gregseger3749]

great video ... I have had telescopic and scissor types ... and next a dual cylinder scissor type on a tandem dually trailer on the way ... telescopic is the best ... but I added a 50 watt solar panel that keeps battery in top charge condition that is important .. I will have 2 dump trailers one for rock one for bulk items.

[@dans4900]

We have scissors on all our trucks. Just turn the pressure up. Easy screw adjustment.

[@MP-ef6mc]

Now….. the ultimate test is taking that 35,220 pounds 70 mph down the road. Lol

[@renemunoz7237]

I had a 14' Carson pull behind and used beating the he'll of carried boulders and gravel never let me down pulled whit 1 ton ford heavy single rw4x4 always between 7 to 9 tons from the mineral pit and coming down the hill with not trailer brakes just the trany. I sold it a year ago for 3k and still working good 😆

[@prjndigo]

Y'all need to run a video tutorial on front-of-load baffles to defer the weight of heavier materials into a smaller linear space back closer to the axles. And if you don't have a kit you damned well should draw one up. Keeping a denser load from shifting forward is VERY important in dump trailers.

[@alm7707]

I've worked on hundreds of dump trucks used on farms for grain. Some of these trucks had hoists from the early 50's. I never saw anything with dual cylinders, mostly scissor lifts, a few front cylinder lifts, and a few cam and roller lifts. There is no way I would buy one without a scissor lift. The single front cylinder on your trailers just look weak and unstable. If I had to buy a front cylinder one I would want it with 2 cylinders. I had an automatic bale wagon with 2 cylinders at the back. Bale wagons like this have the deck lift to a few degrees past vertical and used a 3rd cylinder at the front to start the load lifting. This cylinder was mounted vertical and the top clevis pin sat in a notch on the underside of the trailer deck. I think it had about a 16 inch stroke.

[@jschenkyou]

Thanks for the lesson on leverage engineer dude! That's why "wheelbarrow" is my favorite!

[@mcpiddler1135]

Are the cylinders and pumps sized according to rating? You could easily make the scissor lift pick up more than the others by upsizing the cylinder and lower the lifting power of the front lift by reducing the cylinder size, which they may do now to save some cash on each trailer. In this day and time it's hard to take anything at face value. They do look like good trailers, though.

[@Observer82AB]

Everyone is choosing the telescopic front cylinder. But, what about stability on slightly uneven ground? All working situations are not under laboratory conditions. Because of this I would prefer the double ram and I am considering side to side level and tip over potential. Just commenting.

[@derekv4649]

I bet those guys enjoyed not having to work to come test these trailers with ya!

[@CrumbScum]

How are you liking the Texas pride trailer I’m thinking about buying one but trying to find good honest reviews on them

[@BTBRVReviews]

They are amazing trailers so long as you're ok with them being a bit heavier (thicker steel) and the finish looking faded after a relatively short period of time. I'd also suggest installing a power kill switch to prevent from batteries dying.

[@dakotak8437]

I'm telescopic all the way less stress on the cylinder and framing of the lift then the othere that are pushing so much in diff points just to lift a load the. Straight up bad down

[@PunkJiuJitsu]

exactly, telescopic is the only way to go.

[@andp120]

If only it would lift as high as the other ones 😕

[@dakotak8437]

@@andp120 every one iv ever had went higher then otheres

[@alanack67]

All the class 8 trucks use the front ram style for a reason.

[@akdm82]

Are you sure about the dual systems having redundancy? I ask because it is my understanding that if one fails, the other one is typically not strong enough to lift the trailer with any kind of load on it. To me that would mean you have two points of failure in your hoist system instead of just one. I’m only looking at telescopic and scissor lifts at the moment

[@happys104092243]

My company has 2 out of the 3. The front ram is the only way to go.

[@jenphillips3212]

JD you're having far too much fun with some very big toys.

[@timbowhite3159]

Nice Looking Dump Trailer

[@RiverValleyLandscaping]

Scissor lift every time for myself, the rocking and twisting of the body isn’t applied directly to the cylinder when pulling foward on uneven/bumpy ground which is generally the case for these dump trailers... those 10k axles are also not cheap to replace

[@Observer82AB]

Bumpy and uneven ground is the reason I would think the double ram trailer would be preferable, although all seem to be able to handle the 20K handily.

[@adambuxton6644]

I like the bumper pull dump trailer

[@elim6559]

Bought a dump trailer from big text and man the jack went off 8 month after buying it brand new for 13000 next day the pump went out rust all over the bottom had to paint it my self also the walls instead of been weld it they put silicone and paint it black

[@thooper4380]

Cool trailers, but they need to make a deck over with fold down sides for me to consider buying one.

[@chrisharris9115]

Been looking at a load trail, but after watching your videos including the one with Matt I decided to look into Texas pride for my dump trailer. Actually just got off the phone with Derek and he quoted me $1000 less than load trail.

[@ehexzs10]

Ive had 2 load trail. They are both awesome. Never any issues. I have the scissor lift. Wont be disappointed

[@chrislawley1334]

Stick with load trail

[@boltactionshooter]

I shopped build quality and features and ended up with a Lamar 16’ GN dump and it is an awesome trailer.

[@TexasBestBarndominium]

Load trail builds good trailer. You get what you pay for. Cheaper isn't always better. I have had 4

[@rcast2440]

Have a load trail bumper pull for roughly 10 years it’s a 12 footer and have always overload it. Has one single cylinder but it’s a decent size one. Have Load it with 50+ squares of roofing material before through those years of owner ship. Never complained about it and never field on mechanical issue just one leaf spring busted last year but that’s it. Each bundle of shingle is roughly around 80lbs and 1 square is 3 bundles. So over all load trial has done me well.

[@idahopotato5837]

Ever seen a trash truck? Scissor lift. Never buy a dual ram. 1 ram goes and you have a mess or a twisted bed. The telescopic ram may be nice...never had one. Leverage may help.

[@jacobselig6267]

This is awesome, my next trailer is going to be a texas pride. What makes it better is there prices are great.

[@brada5185]

What was the actual weight of the trailer empty on the scale

[@daveaardal4873]

I’ve always bought PJ trailers but after seeing this video I’m thinking Texas pride will be my next dump trailer. Great job on the video!!!

[@myredeyelife7010]

I am thinking about getting the PJ because the flat bed is wider... Have you been happy with PJ? Are there products quality? Are the bins tough?

[@daveaardal4873]

My Redeye Life , PJ had quality trailers but they’ve gone downhill. Welds aren’t ground down and the powder coat isn’t even throughout. My last order was 3 months ago and I wasn’t happy with the build quality.

[@cookiedough5374]

I regret selling my triple axle 20 ft dump from these guys. Same overload ability. Never an issue

[@garycox2253]

I wish my trailer was painted that nice. I used it once in the snow and all the powder coat peeled off. Maybe my next trailer will be a Texas Pride.

[@RG-gn1ln]

The problem with the front host lift trailer is that if the trailer is not level when dumping, it would be easy to twist and flip the trailer.

[@3gasman]

Why didn’t you just weigh the truck and subtract from gross weight? Much easier than lowering jack stands each time.

[@steverone7623]

Smaller dump trucks use scissor style but big dump trucks use a telescopic 3 stage single ram

[@mikefederico9875]

Great job on this video , the biggest problem I see is that you really need the right truck to pull it. you are only as good as your truck.

[@drufuss1981]

I've drove dump trucks and they all had the single hydraulic jack in the front and they worked great. But some of the bigger off road haul trucks had dual jacks on the sides and worked great also. But I myself like the single hydraulic jack in the front.

[@ADHDAdventurer]

The huge flaw is they’re only lifting 6-12”. The dual cylinders are weakest at the bottom because of the angle. The telescopic is strongest in the first stage 6-12” and significantly weaker in the second or even third (depending on design) stage. Also, they don’t even consider max dump angle. Many of the telescopic trailers don’t have near as much of a max dump angle as the scissor lift designs, if the scissor lift were moved forward and/or the arm lengths were changed they could be significantly stronger than they’re currently designed while matching the same dump angle as the others methods

[@alexfrankl7861]

Scissor lift is really common on light to mid size trucks and multi stage rams on trailers , in Australia , ive actually never see a dual rams on a trailer .

[@jeffcoldon1496]

Way to go all this energy to figure out telescopic has the most power just look an any triaxel dump . Scissor lift be next if you guys had a naphide hoist under there . i been fabbing this stuff over 40 years nice video ..

[@chrisw6734]

I have front ram and the issue is not getting it up. I’ve had my 5 ton dump way overloaded. It failed when the trailer was at about a 45 and a lot of the weight is on back corners. One corner dropped about 4 inches. Saved it and got the dirt out. But took some cutting and welding to get her back.

[@JohnDiMartino]

I absolutely hate telescopic lift cylinders,We have 18 dump trucks at work with them,They are Leakers,And require a ton of fluid capacity. The cost is about 2000 just to have them rebuilt.

[@BTBRVReviews]

Though similar technology, a dump truck lift is required to lifts significantly heavier loads, costs more to replace, and takes more time

[@charlesmetherd9136]

John DiMartino those telescopic cylinders only leak when they are not properly maintained.

[@vatoguanajuato3892]

Well it help me to know what I’m getting next time I buy a trailer, a front lift for sure

[@Observer82AB]

They are definitely convincing me that the front lift could possibly be superior to the double cylinder.

[@willp942]

Is a class A CDL required to move these trailers with their 20k gvw? Combined weight with truck would be over 26001 lbs

[@notimportant3686]

i wonder how hook lift medium duty trucks that haul dumpsters compare, how is their mechanism able to dump in relation to the ones in this video?... much weaker?...similar?

[@jdmfh47]

So the double hydraulic didn't lift the load?

[@ryanpaasch7464]

Lift them all of the way up and dump them

[@davez2989]

What was done to ensure the battery on each trailer was the same - and at the same charge? I think though what you really proved is the trailers can take some abuse.

[@jboone8561]

Great point! And believe it or not as those motors get hotter and hotter they make less and less power. All about amp/turn in the windings to make torque. As they get hot resistance goes up current goes down. Amp/turn "flux" goes down.

[@williamd6967]

That battery is the key for sure!!!

[@zweg1321]

Great video I would love to have a dump trailer I have no need for one that large Either But as a retired guy that’s shoveled more than his share of stuff out of a pickup or trailer If I was rich I could the crap out of one

[@zweg1321]

Ricoville Thank you for your thought I have seen these items most of the landscaping co use them I get poor enough gas mileage on my truck as it is extra weight would just hamper I think. There are trailers with like a 4 k load rating sold problem is I’m a retired guy with no money to spend on something I use 4 or 5 times a year

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

I'm not an engineer and I think the outside front lift will be the best for the dump trailer.

[@richardmorrison4907]

There is a reason that system is widely used on dump trucks!

[@phillhuddleston9445]

All the trailers and the truck were impressive.

[@TundraTalk76]

Dual ram works for what for my application and has nothing but superb for many years.

[@jopesauvou4027]

test to fullest capacity, what the user will do and not do... hold my BEER !

[@kurttidrow9967]

Best trailers on the market for the money hands down.

[@ADHDAdventurer]

20,000 lbs. I’d much rather see this with a 10 or 14k trailer like most people use.

[@henryford2736]

Awesome trailers. But I'm more interested in the tires they use. Are they trailer tires or light truck tires? I know you mentioned J 18ply. I want those tires on my TT.

[@Turbo-wj9qc]

Look into the provider tires, I have a set of 16" on mine they are very well respected in the hotshot business

[@gundorethemighty]

we have one atm there is also another flaw in these trailer's . yes the hydro might be good for 30k pounds but the wields are not going to hold up .. even at the there load limit the the front of the dump trailer will in fact split the wields ..

[@jschenkyou]

*welds Yes I agree

[@michaelbaumgardner9493]

Good afternoon. Well done. Look forward to seeing what happens. Thanks for showing us. Be safe.

[@johngivens4644]

I always took a 4×4 and left it under the front to keep it up and if it still couldn't do it I'd use the hi lift to get that first foot of lift with the dual ram Texas pride we use...

[@k9cop998]

John Givens Why not buy a trailer that's big enough to handle that amount of load? Obviously, if you're using a 4 x 4 and a hi-lift jack all the time you need a bigger trailer that's designed for the weight your hauling.

[@kennethsmith1233]

My bigest question is where did you come up with the scissor lift being an upgrade from the 2 cylinders and that anyone thats been doing it for a long time prefers to stick with the old way of two cylinders the scissor lift is one of the oldest types of dumps and the single extending cylinders is right after it the duel cylinders is one of the newest types there is that being sead i like my texas pride trailer we have 2 with the duel cylinders yall didn't offer the extending one at the time but id still gone with the 2 there up underneath and protectd better from the sun and debree that could scratch it up and such i would say there safer than the extending cylinders watch some end dump failures on you tube

[@BigBadDodge4x4]

What is the discount on these abused Trailers? I'm looking for another dump trailer. :)

[@BTBRVReviews]

Wait until tomorrow to find out what happens to then

[@teddfreestone5211]

I could definitely use a new dump trailer especially one as tough as the Texas pride is

[@agger838]

@Ricoville theyre giving away

[@talibanazteca]

How much is one on those trailers

[@Nowellintv]

🤣

[@michaela3562]

What was the diameter of the scissor lift hydraulic cylinder?

[@D11Dozer]

I would think the 2 cylinder is better. But one thing. What happens when one cylinder blows a seal? Seams to me that it could lay over a twist and bend up everything. Good video though ✌

[@lodwill5116]

On duel cylinder. If one side brakes .? Does the trailer fall over.?? 😮