2017 F350 Dually vs 2016 F450 Dually! Part 2

[@EricDun]

Great videos. Always very informative! thanks for making all these videos. Very helpful for those who are interested in picking up a truck!

[@papecat]

These videos are great. So much useful comparison info of the chassis etc, that is shown by no one else on youtube! (In this depth) I'm heavily leaning towards finding a 2016/2015 S130 equipped F450 after watching this.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

I find myself loving the refinement of the 2017 but loving the ruggedness and overbuilt qualities of my F450. It's like comparing a Plug in Dewalt Hammer Drill (2016 F450) to a Dewalt 20Vt Max Cordless Hammer Drill (2017)

[@RTPtourist]

Just ordered ours, switching from an 2011 f350 SRW (short bed) to F350 DRW (long bed) to pull our 2017 Montana. Thanks for going into all the systems, most reviews just cover the body.

[@chadbassmaster9084]

Sounds like your not rushing out to get a 2017 model. I still actually like the 2016s. Interior especially. Have you driven a 6.2 gas yet? I haven't been able to find a review of the gas engine anywhere! Great review by the way, keep it up!!!!

[@BigTruckBigRV]

That will be coming up soon. I found one I want to take out. It's also an XLT with a MSRP of around $44k

[@chadbassmaster9084]

Big Truck Big RV that's awesome. A lot of us can't wait to see that review. If you can do a zero to 60. Even if it's just a rough idea. Keep up the good reviews.

[@dankruger2890]

you do the best videos ever. Literally all my questions were answered but one on mpg and towing mpg questions. Other than mpg, my biggest questions are about the ride comfort and feel. it impressed me to see the tailgate height of the 17 only 1.5 inches tall than the 16. Good job Ford.

[@cbake9440]

freaking amazing trucks. both mine are f350. 2008 and 2014 but shooting for the 17 or 18 dually for sure next time.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Cody Baker: drive as many as I have and youll be shaking when you return them

[@cbake9440]

shaking as in excited or shaking as in horrible ride shaking.im leaning too the good shake I hope.

[@cbake9440]

don't think I've ever drove a more ruff riding truck than my 08 f350 kingranch ranch.hands down the ruffest riding truck I have ever owned.my 14 is 100 times smoother.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

+Cody Baker: haha excited

[@BillPerkins_aka_perks]

great video. i got my 2017 f450 dually platinum nov 10. ford did will. your rt on the power truck got it. my problem is only getting 12 miles to a gallon in city. hoping maybe i get 15 lol. have great holiday's. keep up with great videos thumbs up.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Bill Perkins: Thank you sir.

[@dankruger2890]

Oh my, thats horrible fuel economy. Could you go into more detail. whats the city-high mpg combined. freeway mpg at 70-75 mph. highway mpg at 65 MPG could be a deal breaker for me.

[@defmc1]

The difference for the height of the tailgate opened I believe is the 17 has a deeper bed tub with taller side walls. I've had a 04 f350 SD for 13 years and just bought a new f350 17 and that was the first thing I noticed when I dropped the gate. I work out of my truck so I'm in tune with things like that. I won't be lifting this one 8" though. It's tough getting old.

[@Shipster40]

One of the measurements I would be interested in is the step up into the truck. You made the statement that the trucks are getting taller which usually means a taller step for the elderly viewers or the viewers with bad knees. Ease of getting in and out is a very important aspect to a lot of viewers. Thanks

[@garyausher]

And the best spec of all on the 2017 Super Duty: 48 gallon fuel tank on the long wheel base. Nice!!!

[@CR500R]

As I have mentioned in some of your previous videos about the 2017 Superduty, the cab is marketed as being bigger, and it is in many ways except for one. The door sil height (for entry and egress) and the interior head room is noticeably shorter. I'm a bigger guy, 6'4" with a longer torso than most folks. I have to duck my head way down to clear the 2017 door sil and once inside, my hair almost touches the headliner with the seat as low to the floor, as it can be set. I had no such problem with the 1999-2016 Superduty cabs. Those who are tall like me and wear a cowboy hat will notice the shortness right away. I know my gripe doesn't effect 90% of people, but I felt it important to mention. That was my only gripe with the 2017 (except for no manual transmission) haha.

[@TheGamingChad.]

so the 2017 has a shorter cab?

[@TheGamingChad.]

could you measure it? Maybe the seat doesn't go as low as it did in the 2000's models? The Alumiduty has a flat floor that sits lower, so it should be bigger inside.

[@stevenchacker9654]

You've sold me on the Ford F-350! Now I just have to wait a few more months until I can purchase one. I will need one to pull a 5th wheeler that I have yet to purchase as well, but I cannot put the cart before the horse.

[@stevetami1]

I bought a 2017 350 dually, drove it about 6 weeks. Couldn't get comfortable with it. Traded in went back to a 2016, glad I did.

[@Choppinblock19]

Did you really ? What changed your mind? Im thinking of trading my platinum f250 16 for a 17 or for 16 350 dually. Those 17 350 dually are really boxy at the rear

[@stevetami1]

Choppinblock19 yes sir. If you see my comment about the "charge wire" that I posted that was one reason. The second was comfort. I COULD NOT get comfortable in it. The seat was always to high, to low, to far forward, to far back. Just couldn't find the sweet spot. I went with a dually, my first one ever, I didn't mind the dually, it drove great. It was sometimes inconvenient that you couldn't reach over the bed rail to get to something but not to point of deal breaker. I went back to what I've always had a 350 short bed single wheel. Does all I need to do and more, in comfort.

[@Hollywoodhouse74]

i love Ford trucks...

[@coffeesnob1973]

i reason for the better ride is the thinner leaf springs with one more add your springs are thicker more rigid and bounce more when you are on rough roads.

[@vppnbrent]

Oh Big, you are playing with danger here. Your pocket book could be taking a hit :) Your 2016 is beautiful. The 2017 takes it to the next level..

[@BigTruckBigRV]

vppnbrent: I take that risk every time I drive these

[@vppnbrent]

I have this feeling that you probably should not test the 2017 F-450 :)

[@monoped_adventures]

Great reviews and commentary as always.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

BarattaUnderground:: Very much appreciated

[@fenstemaker]

Its a nice truck. i wish i could get one . Great video.

[@myleshansel7950]

Great video again, I'm curious about the bed height being 57" with people having 5th wheel bed rail clearance, and having a level camper.

[@reviewscentralchannel4162]

That bottom coating is beautiful

[@BigTruckBigRV]

It really is. Not sure why Ford didn't do that to the 2011-2016 model.

[@reviewscentralchannel4162]

Big Truck Big RV I was thinking about it last night I think it's because this year their promoting no rust so much because of the aluminum bodies that they don't want anything contradicting that

[@alexandermckay8594]

How did you find the new steering? Did you notice much difference from your truck?

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Alexander McKay: I felt it was really firm. It didn't feel bad, just very sports car like (from a turning perspective). It still handles like a big truck.

[@Regal2800]

nice video. keep em coming...

[@KvotheYSL21]

First thing I did when I got the chance was drive to my local dealership and do a side by side comparison of my '09 F-250 to a '17.... lol... Boyz and Toyz

[@derekortiz3663]

ok, I'll bite. haha. great work Bigtruck!

[@TheJSmithBA]

Can't wait til you buy the 2017

[@ericohnander6372]

I am looking at purchasing a 17 350 dually and in the 350 vs 450 video u said black 350 has a 410 rear ratio. Now because 70% of all my mileage is under tow but not always at max gcwr is the 410 ratio recommended or would the taller 355 be sufficient. This 355 vs 410 ratio question is my only hold up in my decision to finally go ahead with purchase. I would like to know more about hwy speed rpms with both ratios and drivability of both. please reply thanks

[@enjoylife7030]

You measured the rear seat legroom buy didn't measure the size of the seating area in the rear. Ford may have made the cushions slightly shorter which led to the additional 2 inches of legroom.

[@markhansen4258]

I loved my 11 and I love my new 16. The 17's look great, but the price tag was too much to consider it.

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

I'd be curious to see a design exercise in giving big rigs a boxed frame. My truck flexes a visible amount anytime I start from a stop. I'd be very slow in trusting a long term boxed frame for the constant flex that is absorbed elsewhere

[@raybbj]

I know this video is about Dually's......but ......Duallys typically have shorter bed rail heights as opposed to SRW. F350 SRW rail height is 59", I believe. With a standard 60 inch overhang on a 5th wheel, it forces owners to raise their hitch and/or lower their pin box making them tow nose high and possibly putting more weight on the rear 5er axel. Yes many F350 SRW's can hitch to a 5er, but is the trailer level? I see a lot of folks removing the 4 inch leaf block and swapping them for a the F250 2" block. I think the Mor/Ryde CRE3000 trailer suspension allows to raise the trailer slightly, but I don't know how exactly. I'm still trying to figure out how it works. It looks like your 2016 uses 2" blocks and the 2017 has 4", thus the higher 2017 bed rail?

[@mariopring]

Love your insights Bro, thanks!

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Mario Pring: no problem, thanks for watching

[@BroadcastBuddy]

The Dana 60s up front on the '17 now have a 10 inch ring gear.

[@anthonyj810]

The 350 definitely has the better looking front end

[@nicetobeme8764]

I wish the rear fenders on the 16 were on the 17 model

[@cbake9440]

yes I prefer that look too.

[@Choppinblock19]

I completely agree with you, those 17 rear fenders are too boxy.

[@nickm7289]

no! the new rear fenders make it look right! not space bubbles.

[@Dieseldan444]

Did the 2017 F-350 have a 2" block in the rear while your F-450 did not have a block at all?

[@BigTruckBigRV]

The 2017 actually has a 3" block and the F450 with the Dana S130 has 1.5" blocks but without a Bump stop bracket like on the round axle tubes.

[@Dieseldan444]

Thank you!

[@strausszen1215]

So they only put on one Rancho Shocks on each axle? Seems weird to me because it looks like only two wheels, one back and one front, are getting the benefits of the Rancho Shocks.

[@timshull59]

Im probably the only one, but I actually like the 2016 interior better.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

I actually like the look of my 2016 interior better, much more functional and masculine in my opinion, however, I like the fit and finish of the 2017. So the look of the 2016 with the quality of the 2017.

[@RedSquirreLx]

very detailed video thanks!

[@andrewmccall1120]

will they ever make a work truck again? haven't seen one since the 7.3 back in 01

[@bobbyt4701]

I was wondering how you feel about having airbags on the back

[@Stonemasters11]

Well Done

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Micah Watts: thank you brother

[@CoffeeTime9]

Clean your truck Bro!

[@lesgarten]

Any way you could do a '16450 to '17 450 comparison?

[@supernewf3722]

I would love for you to do a review on the 2016 f150 2.7l. And compare it to the other 2016 f150s.I just bought one and would love your imput.Im a huge fan.Pls Pls Pls pls PLEASE!!!!

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Thanks for the request. I'll see if I can work in a few F150 reviews :) Thanks again

[@ravender730]

hey how tall is the cab from the inside on both of these? that'd be interesting, let me know if you measure it

[@stevetami1]

Here's something you might see if you can find an answer to, or a work around...One of the reasons I got rid of my 2017 had to do with the "charge wire" going to the 7-way plug at the bumper. With my previous SD (2013 model) I could back up to my camper close enough to connect my trailer plug and operate my electric tongue jack (camper sits for a few months and on board battery is dead). With the 2017 the computer decides when to send the 12v power to the plug. The best I could ever figure out is that it almost need to "see" the 12v on the trailer side to sort of backfeed to the truck to allow the computer to tell the relay it's OK to charge this trailer. The solution I came up with you had to have an extra battery available and a set of jumper cables to jump to your camper battery. Once that 12v was "seen" by the truck all would operate as normal. ''Twas a pain in the butt!! I stand to be corrected and maybe mine just had a problem, but this was my experience. Let me know if y'all find it any different. Cheers Steve

[@BigTruckBigRV]

stevetami1 that's interesting and I'll have to investigate

[@stevetami1]

Big Truck Big RV would love to hear what you discover. Please keep me posted with what you find out. Ford seems clueless on how their system functions.

[@dankruger2890]

That's not good at all. I use dump trailers and they need to be charged all the time.

[@screamindemon811]

Aw man, the temptation to want to go to a 17 is tough to resist when you look at the sweet platinum or KR. Honestly though there is nothing wrong with the 15 and down trucks they are still a horse and Ford did a great job of making sure some of the issues that some folks had with the 11's didn't repeat in the 12 and ups. We have 10 of the 6.7's and 12 6.2's and we are still rockin 4 v10's that are being phased out for the 6.2's and the company only had a few issues with the 6.7's. Two had turbos go due to the ceramic ball bearings grenading, one had a piston failure that took out the engine ( replaced under warranty ) and one with a boost issue. We did have a few with the famous pull over reduced power message and that was sensor failure which was an easy fix once we finally got the sensors in ( and that took a bit, then they went and bought as many as they could get their hands on and started to stick an extra into each truck as a spare Great comparison, some people were complaining that the new 17's looked like a F150 but honestly I just dont see it myself, and your comparison and measurements sure dont make it look anything like an F150's measurements Nice review, and keep them coming loving the different content your channel has!

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Thank you sir. I'm finding that I love my 2016 truck more and more also. I love the overbuilt qualities. The cab does feel significantly different than the F150 while similar at the same time...if that makes sense. Maybe the sheer size of the Super Duty is the difference.

[@screamindemon811]

Hmmm I never thought of this and I dont know if you mentioned it but is your tire size on your 15 the same as the 17 ? I have heard some of the 17's have the 20 inch rims on them . Just curious.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

The 2017 F350 DRWs all have 17s and the F450s have the same 19.5 Continentals that I have. The tires on the F450 are .5" taller based on tires size comparison.

[@screamindemon811]

Ah I see. Probably being a PITA here with ten million questions but I couldn't really tell from the video but is the indentation on the control arm on the 2017 the same depth as the 11 to 16's indentation. I looked at the video a few times and I swear it looks a little deeper on the 17. Just wondering if maybe that is helping give the 17 a better turning radius for the tight turns one may take.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Screamin Demon: the F450 has a far better tight turning radius because of the wide track axle. That holds true to both 2016 and 2017 F450s.

[@bajamedic]

Great video

[@jeffreyjones5996]

I'm planning to get the same fifth wheel that you have. Wondering whether the dual rear wheels are necessary. The single rear wheel F350 does have the towing capacity. Any opinion?

[@BigTruckBigRV]

+Jeffrey Jones: either would be more than enough in most cases. A Dually will be more stable feeling in high crosswinds. It will also provide far more payload capacity. The stability isn't just because of the dual rear wheel, but also because of the stiffer rear springs prevent side to side oscillation.

[@jeffreyjones5996]

Thanks for the info. Do you feel it is necessary to have the long bed for your fifth wheel?

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Jeffrey Jones: if you want a toolbox (which I couldn't live without), otherwise,. the Turn tech front end of the Chaparral will work with a short bed.

[@jeffreyjones5996]

Thanks! I really appreciate your input and your channel.

[@sinclairjones3496]

I thought the gear shift was in the center console. it would be a lot nicest if it were in the center console. it would give that truck look

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Sinclair Jones: HD trucks use console shifters

[@alspahi7760]

We are approaching Medium duty size truck prices of a few years ago....insane.....i paid 51K for a fully loaded Duramax LTZ in feb of 15...with rebates....80K, smh

[@Burroughsbikebuilds]

Was an 2017 F-450 not available for comparison? I know its not an apples to oranges comparison... But it also isn't quite an apples to apples comparison either.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Vegard Claussen: Nobody within 300 miles of me has a 2017 F450 available. Also, the 4.10 geared F350 actually now has a higher payload capacity as well as higher towing capacity (both conventional and fifth wheel) than my 2016 F450... So, it's actually a more capable truck all around. The only real perks that my 2016 offers is the wide track front axle, 19.5" wheels, and Dana S130 Axle (the last being a subjective topic).

[@TheTwoticket]

Curious point ,I was watching you measure the distance in the back seat and I was wondering if the difference in the leg room was because the bench seat is longer

[@BigTruckBigRV]

dean toutant: could have accounted for some of it.

[@tonybidwell2582]

It may be just me, but I find the F-350 just a little 2 common of a truck! Spend the extra 💰 & get the F-450!

[@noefernandez6250]

wait you had 2 F-450s !?

[@MarkBrown-tg1kw]

My 16 f-350 dually has 3.73 gear. But has a finned pumpkin cooler. I thought all had that.

[@cbake9440]

not too sure why some have that and some don't.

[@yougear]

When are you going to test the 2017 F450?

[@BigTruckBigRV]

yougear: when ones is anywhere near me. Very hard to find

[@yougear]

OK. I'll wait. I like your reviews. Very nerdy!

[@jackiefreeman8239]

Your review is good but the F350 has 8 lug wheels vs the F450 with 10 lug wheels. This makes the hight difference when comparing hight!

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Jackie Freeman: not so. My F450s tire was less than .5 total inches taller.

[@ranch3727]

How many miles does your 2016 have?

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Not many, 8500... I don't drive it much. Purchased in late Sept 2015

[@andrewhatton1606]

have you deleted your f450 yet?

[@hell_hall6086]

so how much?? f350 f450

[@Jonathan-tb6fm]

Are you going to upgrade soon ?

[@bigalfitness2207]

Kenneth Schauer it's a work truck

[@bosborn1]

Wow, having that rear axle on the f450 for the 2017 is a total deal breaker. The 2016 seems like it's much better built. That 2017 seems like a toy. I'm sure it rides nice but the axle is just too tiny

[@w3ngski]

I love Ford trucks specially the F150 Raptor or Maybe F350 only I dont' have money :(

[@s7489b]

I totally understand that these new trucks are extremely nice with very high end features but $80,000!!!!! Even stretching the payments out to 84 months that's a $1100 a month payment for a freaking truck!!!! I just don't see how people are making those kinds of monthly payments.

[@leegarcia3913]

I knew some things looked familiar in your video.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

I'm not sure I know what you mean

[@chuckpolhamus5080]

I bet you are a engineer..

[@RayT70]

Thumbs up.

[@edm9760]

something dripping from the F-350 @ ~ 8:30

[@tapman1277]

Likely just water from the AC, you see this all the time on vehicles in the summer. And since he's in Texas, it's pretty much summer all the time. ;-)

[@cbake9440]

dammit I want the 17 f350 but still kinda like the old 16 model a little better Maybe in due time the 17 will grow on me.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

The good thing is the deals you can get a 2016 for. But the reality is the dealerships arn't giving the 2016s away either. I've found that the very most you can get off is going to be around $10-12k...which means a King Ranch or Platinum that retails for between $66-75k will still be in the $54-62k range.

[@cbake9440]

Yeah 70 to 80 thousand not sure how conformable I'll be paying for and 80 thousand dollers truck.50 to 60 is more what I'm looking for.

[@WonderWhatsNext]

Pretty sure I want one, can I borrow some money?? LOL

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Wonder Whats Next: me first! Can I take a reverse mortgage on my fifth wheel? lol

[@nastarchris]

i like the 16 better

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Chris Thompson: I do admit, I still love my truck

[@dankruger2890]

big truck big rv Your truck is sweet

[@bjmxd]

i know this is gunna sound douche but your cmparing a 1ton to a 1 1/4 ton techinally no? so thats why the axle n your 450 which is more weight classified as to a 350

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Actually you make a good point. I find myself having to type this exact explanation quite often though. The F450 is simply a marketing method. The truck still has a Max Gross Vehicle Weight rating of 14k, just like the RAM 3500 and the F350. The F450 actually has a LOWER payload rating than the F350 and the RAM. It's F450 designation is meant more for TOWING capacity than anything. All Heavy Duty 1-ton PICKUPS have just about the same capacities now. However, the F450 Chassis Cab IS a Class 4 truck and has a higher payload capacity (by far) than the F450 pickup. You should go back in my old videos and look for the F450 Chassis Cab comparison video I did. it explains it best.

[@bjmxd]

Big Truck Big RV i will hopefully on thursday and ahhhh makes sense see i know that f150-350 is going my 1/4 1/2 and 3/4 ton then obv everything else being either for dumb truck or towing reasons but thats good to know that 450's are more for towing and not for heavier duty applications on the trucks suspension interms of payload

[@vburke1]

And they're still putting the same miserable stinking worthless Michelin LTX-AT2 tires on them. The only thing I absolutely despised on my 2016 F-250 were those useless pieces of crap.

[@georgeferguson8747]

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