Biker vs Landowner #2

A civil altercation with a landowner at Little Shurdington near Cheltenham.
This road has been signed on the ground as a bridleway for a number of years despite being marked as an unclassified road (ORPA) on the various OS maps that I have access to, along with the rights of way map on the Gloucestershire County Council website.
A conversation on 08.10.13 with KP from Gloucestershire County Council's rights of way department confirmed that:
1. The right of way is incorrectly signed as a bridleway.
2. The right of way is a mixture of class 5 & 6 highway.
KP explained that class 5 highway is maintained to a basic standard for use by wheeled vehicles, and could be found at either end of the right of way.
Class 6 highway compromises the middle section of the right of way and crosses open farmland on a semi-defined track. KP explained that this was usually maintained to pedestrian standards, unmettled (unpaved) and is usually 'unsuitable for wheeled vehicles'.
This particular stretch of class 6 highway is too narrow for anything other than pedestrian, horse, cycle and motorcycle. It connects Little Shurdington to Cold Slad.
The landowner had blocked our path and we were both ready to turn back when an unexpected change of heart allowed us to proceed.
How do you think I handled the confrontation? Please be respectful to the landowner (you're welcome to speak your mind towards me!).
NGR: SO924168.
Road numbers: 51128 and 60119.
Gloucestershire CC RoW map:
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[@brendaquinch2357]

you're like the landowner whisperer

[@clandestineindigoquadrinome]

Brenda Quinch You need more thumbs up!

[@frankblank.mansfield.523]

😂

[@scotthaskins1264]

Now that made me proper laugh out loud! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💪💪💪. Great comment. Nice touch with the note too. BZ fella.

[@motoprof1441]

That kids, is how you handle difficult situations.

[@bryanwickizer7485]

Great way to handle a negative confrontation. This could have easily escalated into something much worse but you were polite and in the end it paid off. So many times being kind and courteous gets you so much further than the alternative.

[@russellpinner2279]

Well done that man,she only had a pair of kings and you had pocket aces with charm🤩

[@Awaka_]

This video has restored my faith in humanity a little!! Good Bless for being kind and respectful to the elderly! Thanks for sharing.

[@WiltshireByways]

Thank you for your kind words.

[@wowforreeel]

This people is what we call "civilized".

[@PanDemic]

Its nice to see someone handle conflict like. She was raged at first. Well done on diffusing the situation!

[@PanDemic]

Wow someone sounds pessimistic!

[@Driverguy999]

Diffused the situation!!! Lmao. The situation wouldn't have existed if the prick wasn't on the land in the first place. Her concern was one of worrying fouls and live stock and as you know, coming from an agricultural background, can be an offence all on its own. He was wrong to go onto the land once it was made clear that there were livestock wondering freely. And at the beginning!!! Such arrogance, personally I'd have buried you mate.

[@WiltshireByways]

Driverguy999 You'll never have the chance to. How does it feel to be powerless?

[@craigus]

Driverguy999 It's a road, he's allowed to ride there, she just thinks she is the gatekeeper. She shouldn't be allowed to let her livestock run freely near a public road, who cares for an animal when a human life could be at risk. I'd go out of my way to constantly use that road now, just to fuck her off.

[@Driverguy999]

Powerless lmao. Sorry but that shit doesn't wind me up. However I live in hope that you meet someone who is capable of putting your arrogance in it's proper place. Pity it can't be me but hey it's not a perfect world. Ask the farmer!

[@MaxOnTrack]

You are truly my damn hero, how you manage to turn someone as enraged and hell-bent on having their way into someone laughing and shaking hands with you via your choice of words is nothing short of poetic. If everyone was like yourself, I'm sure none of this byway shit would even need to be in place!

[@1961kickboxer]

He caught her in a lie.

[@lonecrusaider]

You guys did that the right way. Respect gets you all kinds of access.

[@fernieboy100]

I'm getting sick of these landowners who are always trying to block off public access by using their own property as a barrier to public land - they put up gates - de-activate public roads payed for by tax payers, and place signs no trespassing signs in places that are in fact open to public - good for you for standing up to this sort of crap it's getting worse and these types of landowners need a wake up call.

[@deannahext]

fernieboy100 Same thing happens in the States. Two tracks that are public slowly start popping up gates from land owners.

[@callummacleod1921]

You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. Beautifully handled. You make us all look good.

[@MrWingedDeath]

Rarely does one come out of these types of situations with both parties smiling. Nicely and inteliigently handled!

[@mrjportman]

What a wonderful way to manage a potentially difficult situation. I admire the courtesy that you showed to the lady, and the hand written card was lovely to see. Well done.

[@ThatE46]

Good job on staying cool and being polite the whole time! That was awesome too see :)

[@Johny40Se7en]

Fair play to you for the polite way you dealt with this, always nice to come to a good mutual understanding, good stuff.

[@adamgillett1]

There is something really lovely about us English people sometimes.

[@Addicted2Killn]

Nicest people I have EVER seen in a youtube video. Very proud of the riders for being so respectful.

[@jessebarrett6132]

you are excellent at de-escelating and communicating. wish there were more like you. keep it up.

[@Jonesykins]

"IT'S A BRIDLEWAY" "It's not a Bridleway" *Shows Map Proving it isn't a Bridleway* "IT'S A BRIDLEWAY" _Every kind of argument ever_

[@pintsizeslasher9400]

the power of persuasion and politeness

[@MrRemi528]

you are a shiny example of what all motorcyclists should act like. especially the adventuring type

[@1Selous]

Well done on the handling the Lady. may be it is about time the local Council, went & stuck a ORPA sign on that gate, this would then stop her trying it on.

[@prawny12009]

you will find she probably put the other signs on herself to justify turning people away

[@rangerdanger5368]

Kill em with kindness!! Wish more people were like this guy, the world would be a better place. Way to keep your cool and represent that there are respectful bikers out there.

[@iansomerville]

First I thought she was being genuine. Eventually I realised she was trying it on. You were calm but stood your ground and tried to show her she was wrong. Well done. Land owners must realise that when they buy land that straddles a right of way, people are going to want to traverse it.

[@mikem2561]

Very well handled. In most cases like this now days people would just fly off the handle, ignore the lady and cause bad rep for riders. You done well to keep in control

[@justinbrown138]

A role model indeed. If you are 100% confident in the lane you are driving, stay calm, you will generally come out of the confrontation on top. If you need to turn back do so , but be exhaustive in your reasoning first. Well done sir.

[@Max-qh8sy]

This guy is a spot on image of a proper motorbike rider not all these people thinking that just because they are on a bike they are ten foot tall and bullet proof. He deserves a congratulation on how calm he acts with this lady and from his other videos he presents this politeness in every way.

[@negima1276]

"No motors have come through here" where did those tire tracks come from??

[@joemanson323]

Smashing way to speak with this lady. Having ridden solo and with the TRF years ago, I can agree that speaking with landowners at every opportunity almost always clears the air about right of access for 2 wheeled vehicles on clearly indicated byways (some folk - trf riders included - forget that horse-drawn carts sometimes only have 2 wheels as well!) Stay safe and ride safe.

[@nickmajdalani7885]

Handled like a gentleman good skills!!!

[@Jonathan-L]

Good to see a civilised outcome here. I hope she enjoyed a cup of tea after starring on this KZbin clip.

[@lewisliverpool1]

all of these people commenting saying that we would have shot you yes in your country but we are not in your country were in uk before you comment do some research and bike users are they really commiting an offence does it hurt anyone because they like a nice ride in the country just like people like to ride there horses in the country there is a minority that will go through there tear the grass up but to be honest grass grows back not to be a arsehole but its not like there destroying her crop they even had the politeness too still talk to her in a polite manor when she knew she was in the wrong because why didnt she take his plate or go get her beloved maps too prove she was right he did so yes you can have a go at the bikers but they had there proof and if she didnt believe them then she should of got the maps out and proved them wrong because how can you prove facts in an arguement with no evidence and top blokes these are

[@petewatson7031]

Handled brilliantly. Makes a change from a lot of stuff you see on youtube! Great job fellas.

[@dan1907]

so brilliant how the British and you deal with these things all the american bike videos end in violence or running off away from the cops

[@airindiana]

Most British things don’t end like this. Granted not likely to end in severe violence but in U.K. there’s a lot of what you call Karen’s. Many don’t back down even when one is polite and it’s all too common to have people acting aggressively in manner

[@joshdrives8442]

When they laughed at the end it made me smile

[@bronxborn70]

Made me shed tears! Just kidding. But I did like how that all ended. You were raised properly, Jim.

[@WiltshireByways]

bronxborn70 Thanks :)

[@bulldetecting2230]

Absolutely love this video and have shared it to my Facebook page. You’re absolutely right about a bunch of idiots ruining life for us country folk but like you show, we can’t tar everyone on a crosser with the same brush. You are a gentleman sir.

[@WiltshireByways]

Thank you for your kind words.

[@oldbaldguy6151]

I walked the Imber path around Salisbury Plain a few years back and the signs didn't match the GPS, so I knocked on someones door and asked. Apparently some farmers don't like you using public paths on THEIR land, so they rearrange the signs!! Well handled!

[@woodwose1158]

Well done to you. Very polite and handled so well. The card was a very nice gesture too. Enjoy your green landing chaps.

[@quadintheuk8870]

I love the way everyone praises her for being so amicable when in fact her actions are disgraceful!! She has absolutely no right to deny access to the public right of way

[@ConstantThrowing]

Oh my good lord these need to go viral. Or mainstream in some way just as a lesson to people about how to deal with a situation. I'm going through these videos now and am in awe.

[@tweetdezweet]

Kinda funny, in Belgium we have what is called a "servitude weg" which basically means it can be private property but the owner is required by law to keep it open as a road to the public. You try putting up a gate or blocking passage... you get fined big time and if you keep it up you might lose ownership on the road itself...

[@WiltshireByways]

'Weg' is the Old English word for 'Way' - we have a glorious, common history.

[@tweetdezweet]

@@WiltshireByways that just blew my mind! very cool :)

[@MM168NSX]

Very well handled mate, you just earned yourself a new subscriber!

[@Raymond-yj2vp]

Well played. Decent people coming to a compromise. Good on you all, landowner included. If only more people were so inclined.

[@1spongeygit]

If you choose to live near an airport... expect to see planes!

[@WiltshireByways]

Quite!

[@no9scrum]

And if you live in a nice quiet farm in the middle of nowhere expect someone tearing it through your feilds full of livestock on a dirt bike??

[@WiltshireByways]

Since when have farms been quiet places? I guess you don't spend much time on them! NB - there were no livestock and the road through the land is public.

[@no9scrum]

WiltshireByways well you’d guess wrong, the tranquility of a farm depends entirely on how it’s running. I could have sworn she said there was livestock but hey ho, Not trying to pick a fight cause having watched a few of your videos you’re clearly not doing anything to rile people up on purpose.. however surely you have to be able to see it from her point of view? She’s lived there for 50 years, a public right of way is fine but there’s a massive difference between someone walking that route and someone using it on a dirt bike The point in trying to make is this is in no way comparable to living near an airport and not expecting planes, I’d suggest it’s almost the polar opposite. That’s all

[@WiltshireByways]

I work on farms - what on earth would I know? The road (not a right of way) was there in 1883 when OS surveyed it for their 1884 25" map, so has been in use well beyond the lifetime of any living person. Whilst the lady did say that the livestock were present in the fields, the subsequent video (also on this channel) confirms that no animals were present.

[@wynkindeworde6504]

Killing with kindness... Had similar situation where police stopped us entering a legal right of way because the landowner (a woman) threatened to shoot any motorcycles that used it. My suggestion that the police should be dealing with the person issuing the threats should be dealt with was ignored by the police.

[@mkdarren001]

That my friend is how you diffuse a confrontation.....I dof my cap sir

[@brendan3008]

beautifully handled mate,if there were more bikers like you we wouldnt get a bad wrap

[@WiltshireByways]

Thanks chap, we're on the same side.

[@jaseee3x]

Exactly right mate.

[@jaseee3x]

Braden Morrish You seem like a real Nob head mate.

[@bradenmorrish9094]

Even though my comment wasn't towards you, anyone complaining about dirtbikers being too noisy is a pussy in my book

[@aripimagigas]

respect to you sir for respecting others and doing your homework first

[@keithg7254]

the "bad" side of trail riding was why i left the TRF in the 80's........but this was handled brilliant!!!

[@MrEricharper]

If all riders are like you fine, but you know they are not and what then would happen if those silly riders got on there, I can well understand that woman's feelings and I think so can you

[@WiltshireByways]

Thank you Eric. I hope you can understand my frustration with the people who choose to ride unregistered, uninsured and untaxed motorcycles in an unaccountable way. Thankfully they are a minority, but people still choose to hold me responsible for their conduct. To me, the motorcycle is all that we share in common. They are more 'criminal' than 'motorcyclist' to me.

[@WiltshireByways]

***** No, I'm not trying to be a pain in the arse for anyone. I try to get on with other users as best I can and enjoy chatting with anyone who has the time to speak. Stopping for horse riders has never been an issue for me, and I have never spooked a rider or given one cause to complain about my conduct..

[@WiltshireByways]

***** I enjoy legally riding tails as part of a longer ride. This trail saves a few miles of riding on the road and I had ridden it without issue before. I've never 'clashed' with horses - not in 20 years. Just this weekend I helped out at a horse endurance event with 100 or so horses. The horses, riders, and organisers are all happy to have motorcyclists help out because there is no 'clash with horses' unless you intend to cause one. I think this lady knew full well that a road ran through her property and that at some point people would want to use it. The horses she mentioned were not bothered in the slightest by our presence and in any case could be kept away from the road if she actually was worried about them.

[@WiltshireByways]

goatstaog I'm not sure if I understand what you are trying to communicate less than you understand British rights of way.

[@BreatheRC]

***** if there was no conflict or constructive argument shall we say for the want of a better word there would be no youtube video hence no attention for the uploader so i would imagine conflict is what he might be looking for

[@lonegamer2309]

You handle these situations perfectly. you make them calm, and then prov to them you are right.

[@RandomTXDude210]

Good on you, brother! Wish we had these kind of laws here in the State, especially your Right to Roam laws. Either way, you doing proper by riders with your attitude and politeness.

[@WiltshireByways]

Thank you for your kind words.

[@RandomTXDude210]

WiltshireByways Thank you for your kind actions! I don't even live in the UK, but goodwill and kindness is worldwide. As hippie-dippie as that sounds, lol.

[@miketemple876]

4:32 this was when you could tell for sure that she didn't know what she was talking about

[@ciukes]

You did a great job handling the situation, signed card is a nice touch:)

[@TheStupidestGenius]

You make me proud to be English :D

[@WiltshireByways]

Thank you - In all my years I have never before heard such a compliment!

[@deathguy66]

WIltshireByways in America this all would have ended differently. pretty sure the lady would've had a broken nose and the riders would've crashed the gate and continued on

[@deathguy66]

Yes, but riders here are dicks

[@Hirotoro4692]

***** or she would have pulled a shotgun. Who knows.

[@highdownmartin]

a stupid genius she's English too I expect

[@Gtadhd0161]

Lovely feedback on the TRF fbook page well done keep them coming we need people aware of what we are up against cheers

[@DDV1]

Well done on staying so cool. Unfortunately we do have motorcyclists riding reckless that do tar us all with the same brush. And as a result we have residents on routes at the end of their tethers at times. Remaining calm and cool and polite, and proceeding. Well done.

[@WiltshireByways]

Thank you, though the issue here was the resident (falsely) claiming that no public road existed.

bro you have some serious people skills! I take my helmet of to you mate!

[@unodosmoltres5783]

What a great ending! You're a very good person, thanks for being a good example out in the world.

[@smartassist9700]

Very nice touch sending a thank you letter.

[@GETTHEDEUCE]

A byway in the United Kingdom is a track, often rural, which is too minor to be called a road. These routes are often unsurfaced, typically having the appearance of 'green lanes'. Despite this, it is legal (but may not be physically possible) to drive any type of vehicle along certain byways, the same as any ordinary tarmac road. In 2000 the legal term 'restricted byway' was introduced to cover rights of way along which it is legal to travel by any mode (including on foot, bicycle, horse-drawn carriage etc.) but excluding 'mechanically propelled vehicles'. On 2 May 2006 the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 reclassified all remaining Roads Used as Public Paths as restricted byways. The public's rights along a restricted byway are to travel:[1] on foot on horseback or leading a horse by vehicle other than mechanically propelled vehicles (thus permitting e.g. bicycles, horse-drawn carriages, to travel along restricted byways), except in certain circumstances.

[@trig793]

well done Mr biker for not just going through but by takeing time to talk...

[@ExeterCenturion]

Nicely handled. Had to do the same with a very irate farmer a while back with @ExeterRider when Calimoto marked a farm track as a track, track. Won't be trusting that again!

[@ThePonkster]

Why do people with horses think the countryside is exclusively for them - and that their half ton of horse does no damage yet a lightweight motorbike is going to rip the ground up ?

[@terrortorn]

I think you are being generous. The "misinformed" landowner was happy it seemed to be and stay misinformed. If it was little effort on your part to confirm the status of the way then it would have been just as simple for the landowner but it seems not in her best interests for 50 years. Personally I would have accepted her position to reduce confrontation, not taken her offer of access to make sure her blockade of the right of way was the result of the exchange then via registered post contacted her with a copy the documentation confirming the right of access and that you would be taking advantage of that access in the future. The video footage is all to the good in these situations.

[@WiltshireByways]

+terrortorn We were just about to turn around when she had her change of heart, which - in retrospect - change my perception of her position. I think it inconceivable that she doesn't know it to be a road.

[@extremeadventures7024]

Very well handled, I will learn from this as I didn't do as well in a similar situation, I did get a bit funny at a van refusing to move from a byway entrance up by sailsbury, sat in it might I add

[@MuayHero]

nice touch with the card at the end i like it :)

[@paramidge8935]

Your knowledge and research is impressive. Your manners and basic decency are exemplary. Perhaps this, clearly distressed woman, really cannot cope with her property being on a public road. I feel for her but she needs to accept that the world does not revolve around her and that other people have rights as well. He doesn't need her permission to go about his lawful business. I can understand that no-one wants to encourage high powered enduro machines screaming through as if there is a race on - the vast majority of trail riders I encounter when walking the old byways are super considerate and as quiet as practicable - they also do a good job of keeping roads maintained.

[@WiltshireByways]

Thank you for your kind, reasoned words across several videos. The very best of wishes to you!

[@xXxBo5sANaCxXx]

this guy...much respect for u sir!

[@Sweetforthesoul]

Props to the landowner who admitted her mistake and let you through. It's tough to be wrong :D

[@WiltshireByways]

Yes, she's a good person with valid concerns. I've since chatted with her husband having used the road and found that we have a fair bit in common.

[@davesmith1929]

Expertly handled. If only more people could deal with confrontation so calmly and politely. The gushingly thankful card was a bit much though -- I'd have written one to the authorities complaining about the incorrect signing. :-)

[@motorbikemumblings]

Handled brilliantly mate.

[@robertarokiasamy6958]

That earned a subscriber. :) What a way to handle a difficult situation.

[@greensidemags]

well done , you handled a difficult situation brilliantly, Have GCC changed their signs on this route after admitting their mistake?

[@WiltshireByways]

Not when I last used the road, some nine months ago. There are other unmade roads within the county that are signed as bridleways and footpaths, though thankfully they're not.

[@sachablake6894]

Beautifully handle , just like I do treat people with respect and always be calm and polite, and their less likely to complain next time...

[@davidsheridan1699]

I worked in the country side and know what type your up against fellas, well done for sticking to your guns !

[@chriswilliams1096]

You appear to have the legal right to ride along that path and could have insisted and pushed your way through. What you actally did was show restraint and speak calmly and logically to the lady. I think the confrontation was handled very well, considering. I am glad that, on this side of the pond, we don't see the need to wave firearms at each other to resolve disputes.

[@WiltshireByways]

Thanks, though I had no right to move her even if I had felt so inclined. Touching her would have technically been an assault/affray, which is a much more serious offence than Wilful Obstruction of the Highway, which I think in this instance would probably have not been worth police time.

[@MatthewWilliamsFly]

Well handled. However some places are incorrectly signed on purpose by I wonder who... I think you may have met her.

[@shootmcrunfast]

Textbook. Well done, I wish more people could handle conflict like this.

[@Hesomable]

What a bloke :)

[@kr9735]

Well done all round on settling things amicably. I have sympathy for both sides here.

[@TheForgionee]

Is anyone else having problems with audio? may just me me! thanks! :)

[@MetalPandaBoy]

Good guy Biker! :D really like to see someone that polite talking out problems in stead of making problems! :D like a guy earlier commented "10/10"!! ;D

[@fredderickgentle3943]

She was very nice just a difference of opinion thanks guys for being nice to her

[@x66Hawk66x]

Not really a difference of opinion, the motorcyclists were being objective, and the land owner with either given incorrect information on the right of way or she knew but did no want people using it.

[@davidparker1821]

Well done guys, you handled this amazingly! Great respect!

[@jeanettehunt8032]

I do not understand why people want to upset landowners, who's animals are in their own fields, for what reason, a few minutes churning up their tracks, how would you like it if it was your garden/land?

[@WiltshireByways]

It's a public road, as the land owner well knew. Most farmers and land owners respect public rights across their land. As it happened, there were no animals in the field (it had not been churned up). She has lied.

[@goodmorningcaptain5475]

What a great way to handle any confrontation. Well done!

[@WiltshireByways]

Thank you. I've chatted with the lady and her husband a few times since recording the video and they're fine with me now, though always appear if they hear my motorcycle.

[@cukkey]

Politeness goes a long way , no screaming, shouting or foul language , no Jeremy Kyle show , just sorted in an adult fashion

[@WiltshireByways]

Cheers John. I didn't push them on the sign because I didn't want it to become a contentious issue. Being impassable by car or carriage means it's only really us trail riders who might be confused by the signing. I think everyone else concerned knows full well that it carries vehicular rights. Maybe someone in Gloucestershire could help?

[@MotorcycleThrottle]

Hi mate, can I feature this in a compilation soon? Of course, fully credited in the video and description.

[@WiltshireByways]

No.

[@MotorcycleThrottle]

@@WiltshireByways Okay, thanks for the response. Have a good day.

[@tysonjnr7849]

🤣🤣

[@MistaJayLJ]

@@MotorcycleThrottle it’s ok they cut across people land for their gain but don’t like others using something of theirs 😂they sound like the woman in the video,😂you can use it and just credit them

[@x66Hawk66x]

@@MistaJayLJ Wow your comment shows how ignorant you are, It's is a public road, it's marked down on the map and the owner with surrounding land does not have a say on it. they are not cutting across land they are using a road. I suggest you do some research before talking about something you know nothing about. This road is marked as an unclassified road, a step up from a byway, therefore it's also maintained out of tax payers money. They have every right to use it.

[@terryroberts505]

Your handled it very well. But she knew it was a right of way all the time they probably don't even want you to walk there they see it has there land not a through lane

[@WiltshireByways]

Thanks Terry. It's currently obstructed to all but able-bodied pedestrians.

[@itsgravey1307]

That's a true man. 🙏🏻

[@Algorithm347]

Your a superstar! We need humans in general to be more like you . I need to take lessons at the very least.

[@Jobbo73]

Wonderfully handled. Unfortunately the landowner has now locked the field gate and covered it in barbed wire, preventing use of the route even as a bridleway. This was to my chagrin yesterday as I cycled down from Cold Slad; walkers are signed down the stream bed alongside the field behind barbed wire, but that is utterly impassable to horses, bicycles and trail bikes. Alternative routes are thoroughly and securely fenced now.

[@WiltshireByways]

Thanks for letting me know Simon. Is the locked gate at the Slad or Shurdington end?

[@Jobbo73]

The Shurdington end of the field - bottom of the hill. It’s the next gate you come to after the gate in this video.

[@WiltshireByways]

Is the equestrian gate locked, or just the field gate?

[@Jobbo73]

I wish I’d taken a photo now to show you - there’s only a wide field gate which is securely locked, so far as I could find. There was no adjacent equestrian gate.

[@WiltshireByways]

@@Jobbo73 Thanks - I'll pass this on to Gloucestershire TRF and report online.

[@applejack4578]

As a horse rider myself i can see why she isnt allowing you to enter. Horses are timid animals and can spook easily making it a hazard to other people around or riding the horse. This woman had no reason to stop you from dirt biking there as it is a public field. If she was so sure, why didnt she want to go and look for a map she had or even when he showed her that anyone can go in there she still didnt let you go throught which she had no authority over to stop you.

[@WiltshireByways]

I wish more road users - and motorcyclists in particular - were more understanding of the vulnerability of horse riders. I can pass horses without incident, so other people should be able to too.

[@MrEricharper]

***** the cavalry do not except timid horses, the ones they do except go through training on active service the same idea they use for people training for the services,and some are rejected (similar to some people) I have had horses myself in the past and used to train them for the roads by first leading on footpaths then progressing from there so obviously not all are the same temperament and should all be treat with caution

[@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32]

goatstaog I am going to go out to my street right now and block it off, and until people can prove it is a road with council paperwork they can't use it!!! That is how ridiculous you sound.

[@retrodubs90]

The biker was spot on he wanted to show her on the map. Everybody saying it spooks the horse it's her land etc the woman bought the land or rents it before doing so you would look at the deeds in doing so you would see the byway. There for unluckly the biker has every right to use that road within the law. It's like buying a house next to the motorway and then saying to the council to stop the cars on it cos there to loud. But well done bike you were respectful even if you did have to compramise on your route

[@whitefields5595]

You give bikers a good name

[@heatherkatt3768]

High stress situation... Managed like a pro!

[@MikeFredriksen]

What a great thread, sums up so much about so many things. Wonder if its signed correctly now.

[@stevia13]

Well done that man - "glad you got that on video" as well 😉

[@WiltshireByways]

Thanks 👍