Bill Burr | Shogun

Bill watched the FX series Shogun
4/15/24
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[@fretfulmushroom]

I'm engaged to a Japanese woman and we'll be travelling to Japan soon to meet her parents. Her father suggested I watch Shogun and I thought, "oh how nice! He likes history, I like history, he's reaching out to me. This is great" First episode has one of the white guys who arrive in Japan being boiled alive, and now I am very frightened that her father was implying something.

[@temujin1645]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jackxiao9702]

He’s secretly a 4chan member and trolling you

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Pro Tip: Japanese are extremely racist, but in a polite manner. They believe the Japanese people superior to all others who they consider barbarians. To this day only a person of full Japanese blood can be a Japanese citizen.

[@youraveragepasser-by7367]

Lmfao

[@Aih1616]

Haha, I’m Japanese and I can tell….like any father around the world he’s sending a message. You do bad things to my daughter you dead.😂 but he should be generous to second you.

[@watcherxd]

The most hilarious thing about this is that Bill's perspective is exactly what i imagine went through Blackthorne's head while he witnessed all this

[@TheBigKaiju]

He didn't witness it. He heard about it the next day

[@CoachCarter102]

Lmaooo imagining 1500s Bill Burr explaining his summer being held captive by the Japanese

[@billyjean5934]

​@@CoachCarter102imagine the records which document the first time the Japs cast eyes upon ol' freckles. Id imagine he would be named ginger spice!

[@jeronimo196]

@@TheBigKaiju everyone in this village heard about it right away.

[@Dell-ol6hb]

@@TheBigKaiju what are you talking about? He heard the screaming all night long, he didn't see it but he obviously heard him being boiled alive

[@eviola11]

What's funny is that is by far the most violent scene in the whole show, I thought it was going to be like that throughout, but it's been pretty muted since then

[@kremesauce]

Yeah I thought it would be way more brutal

[@d3loused]

Clearly you haven’t gotten to the cannon testing episode….

[@eviola11]

@@d3loused I've watched every episode. That scene doesn't come close to seeing someone slowly boiled alive.

[@Mr.FinbarJLutter]

Agreed … canon was a close 2nd

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

Thanks for this. Not gonna waste my time

[@KRS_two]

Best TV show of the year

[@MrBuketman]

Pumped for the finale. If a person can deal with subtitles then they’re in for an amazing story. As a fan of old black and white samurai movies this was exactly how to do it. Which also makes me a fan of Kill Bill.

[@CorbCorbin]

@@MrBuketman The miniseries they did in the 80’s, didn’t use subtitles for most of the Japanese. They show specific things, her and there, but most of it is from the perspective of how he doesn’t understand them, and relies on interpreters. It worlds, but because of censorship then, they couldn’t tell it the same. It’s more about the romance, after a certain point, but it’s worth checking out, if you like the show. They keep more to the book, and having to pay attention to the interactions, because there’s no subtitles, ended up teaching me several words, like in greetings and other common expressions, that are interpreted by Mariko. There’s a much better relationship between Blackthorne and Toranaga as well.

[@brandondavenport562]

Underwhelming

[@DedicatedSpirit8]

Agreed

[@TangoNevada]

@@brandondavenport562 What and why? What more do you want?

[@piefrosty319]

Most people are never prepared for how cut throat life used be. Really makes you realize how easy we all have it.

[@chromatic2006]

Humans can be exceptionally brutal. The past was full of it. It is hard to imagine, with us living in our skyscrapers and watching TikToks. But the past is horrific, and we can get there again. It's still in us.

[@piefrosty319]

@@chromatic2006 most definitely and it won’t ever leave us.

[@greg.peepeeface]

truth, and if all the things from all cultures and corners of the world, people would be appalled because they tend to think "not my people, or not in my country." Yeah, no, you're wrong, all people

[@Yasmuraz]

That’s not life, that’s martial law, war, and it’s still like that in places that are active war zones or civil war

[@funglegunk]

Depends where you live

[@peerless419]

I think Bill is overlooking a key point: This show isn’t barbaric for the sake of grotesque entertainment, it’s trying to pay homage to the period. I don’t believe most people can appreciate or comprehend how far we’ve come from things like this being normal.

[@NinjaRunningWild]

Really? You really believe that? _Unit 731._ Let me know what you think after that.

[@Caigga900]

Everyone in Japan was suicidal and murderous during this time? Even historians say that the show exaggerates. They're definitely doing it for grotesque entertainment.

[@stephanthomas4410]

@@Caigga900 A television show uses the stylistic device of exaggeration? Never heard of it...but seriously: The show doesn't depict "everyone" in Japan, but the power struggle of powerful noble families. I don't know who these historians would be, but basically the show is more of a romanticized rendition of the actual events. Now a rather long context and just a tiny excerpt( maybe for som tl;dr l: Oda Nobunaga, the "first unifier of the realm", gained power over the Oda clan by defeating his uncle Oda Nobutomo. His uncle was forced into seppuku( ritual suicide ). Due to his unusual behavior for a feudal lord, his governor Hirata Masahide felt compelled to bend Seppuku to point this out to him. Due to his apparently brutal and improper behavior, his henchman Akechi Mitsuhide betrayed him, forced Nobunaga to seppuku and killed his son. However, he was also beaten and (presumably) killed. Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the "second unifier of the empire" and Taikō, enforced a strict separation between peasants and samurai and had Christianity banned, all churches closed and 6 Franciscan monks and 20 converts were crucified in Nagasaki in 1597. He died and Tokugawa Iyeasu seized power as Shōgun. All of Hideyoshi's descendants were killed. This is only an incomplete outline of what was going on in feudal Japan at the time the series is set. If anything, certain things in the series are even "glossed over".

[@VinceMagzie]

Well Bill’s reaction is valid, he is just trying to get into their shoes and see how it feels like at this current point in time. Sure it would be a normal thing from that time but that’s the point for audience at this point in time to react that this is really grotesque.

[@Amatsuichi]

lets hope there wont be any show about the witch hunting, torturing and mutilating in Europe... in the name of "God" of course

[@ollyb7570]

The funny thing is by the end of the series you like the guy who boiled the man.

[@mistertadakichi]

Yabushige is the perfect example of a character who is both a reprehensible bastard I wouldn’t trust for a second in real life, AND a compelling character I watched fascinatedly every time he was on screen. Hats off to both the writers and Tadanobu Asano for this character

[@LozBlain]

... Well that makes one of us!

[@andrewf6111]

Nooo haha, no I didn't. Several times I said "that yabusige is a real psychopath". Not to mention he betrays my beloved Toranaga.

[@347Jimmy]

Love or hate Yabushige, he was amazing value. He gave some good laughs, too

[@williamzebub3252]

The grunting exchanges with Blackthorne later on, lol

[@Syzygy77]

One of the greatest historical dramas I’ve seen in a while… or ever.

[@masoodvoon8999]

So far this seems better than the original and they even had superstar actor Toshiro Mifune.

[@trorisk]

The 1980 series was aimed solely at a mainstream American audience. At that time, Americans did not know what Japan was like during the Azuchi Momoyama => Edo era. Today with the internet everyone has a more precise idea of ​​what Japan in 1600 may looked like and the 2024 serie is intended for the whole world.

[@donmongoose]

Yup, it's up there with Rome, which is high praise indeed.

[@jeronimo196]

@@johng6565 "This version is much more authentic to the period" - maybe. I'm not an expert. Except I notice that in this version everyone is speaking english, instead of spanish, portuguese or latin. "and faithful to the source material" - no. The pacing is all rushed, scenes are moved around, plots are cut and everyone's intelligence is nerfed. This has great production values and is a great show, but it is not closer to the source material than the original.

[@MikeHawkBurns208]

​@@jeronimo196lol sOuRcE mAtErIal

[@jstnsmutek]

In the shows defense, my boss makes his employees kill themselves and end their lines when we mess up. I work for Amazon

[@indiff86]

Untrue: Amazon lines never end.

[@redswingline262]

I thought you were going to say Tesla

[@AtariDad]

Being a dad has changed Bill. 😂

[@self-transforming_machine-elf]

yes it has made him weak

[@AtariDad]

@@self-transforming_machine-elf Oh, you know this guy must be real popular with the ladies. 🤣

[@akshayhere]

@@self-transforming_machine-elf Calm down Mr. Badass

[@zenden6564]

he's sensitive ,,,

[@Mickey-1994]

@@self-transforming_machine-elf I would say his lefty wife with TDS is the bigger problem.

[@alexcoyg3281]

Can't wait for Bill to watch Fallout and say the Ghoul is the best character by a mile😂

[@jayhernandez9395]

Can you imagine Bill Burr as a ghoul? 😂

[@kreaola93]

​@@jayhernandez9395i can picture him as a mierlurk 😂

[@obiwankenobi9439]

He just needs red paint

[@Dell-ol6hb]

the Ghoul is basically the best character though

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@Dell-ol6hb Yeah no contest. Not surprising though, I don't think I've ever seen Walton Goggins in a bad role.

[@seventhsuns3580]

In the book, he boiled him alive because he was a sadist and got off on that stuff. Seriously, the book is amazing

[@DMG380]

In the show as well. Yabu is not all there. He is obsessed with death.

[@mentalitydesignvideo]

no shit

[@BoshyG]

They say that he did it for that reason in the show as well.

[@Itsameamario34]

@@DMG380 Writing wills is his favorite pastime lol

[@thomasnguyen3925]

The TV show hints at that as well. "My special way." "My master is obsessed with death"

[@musashimiamoto9792]

the boiling scene is waaaay worse in the book lol.

[@user-en3zy3mi9f]

If I recall corectly he boiled for 3 days.

[@immortaljanus]

@@user-en3zy3mi9f Wholesome...

[@5GTrevor]

@@user-en3zy3mi9f damn... i'd try to drown or something before that

[@skuo118]

Didn't Yabushige had a erection in the books listening to the man's scream?

[@stocksxbondage]

@@5GTrevorright? I was like how many hours does it take to realize you will inevitably die so you might as well fill your lungs with water before it gets too hot 💀 poor bastard

[@Patrick-xv6qv]

Bill, the man killed himself and his baby. His wife, Fuji, becames a great character in future episodes. She was awesome

[@warbler1984]

Hi this is Bill, that's totally amazing...I love it

[@jamescoleman1574]

Different values of honor, respect, self control, self discipline, cultural differences and the conflicts between those grey lines. I enjoy the show

[@barryirlandi4217]

.. I was kind of shocked when the boss said 'yah, that's the right move here'...😂🤣🙂

[@Eidolonian]

Incredible series. Utterly incredible. The last two episodes had me in tears so often.

[@samwallaceart288]

Dude when he's letting go of the string. Scenes like that are usually cliché but I was shedding tears right there.

[@chupapi2456]

That scene of Buntaro fighting at the harbour to help them escape and then bowing to them as their sailing away. Shit had me in tears.

[@347Jimmy]

Buntaro's return was like "holy shit, he actually made it?!?" Dude was an absolute boss

[@theagent578]

Buntaro returning had me thinking he had to be a traitor and made a deal to live.

[@awoods23234]

​@@theagent578nah he's just him

[@thearthritisgamer946]

"its an amazing god damn series, if you're into that shit!" I laughed so hard 😂

[@batmanwins5701]

My nephea work on this as the the personal driver for the producer. We watched the series together and he had all these cool little behind the scenes stories. It was like like having an interactive special commentary i could refer to after each episode.

[@DedicatedSpirit8]

Best show FX has put out since Louie

[@jool7793]

The Americans It’s always sunny The shield

[@KnuckleBallz]

The Bear

[@Njbear7453]

The hell is Louie

[@josephzimba681]

The Bear and Snowfall

[@Quzga]

The bear??

[@gargdye1924]

Yeah, Bill. the history of humanity is brutal and what you watched is nothing compared to the real thing.

[@fuferito]

Bill would love _Blue Eye Samurai,_ and I can't recommend it enough.

[@dominicdococo4574]

Bill will watch a pilot of anything and then tap out. He just goes right back to espn.

[@thefirstofthelastones8952]

Blue Eye Samurai!?... That's a good show, looking forward to Season 2.

[@wilsonsmilk]

The season finale ruined it imo.

[@Njbear7453]

I’m an adult why should I watch a cartoon? Seriously ? And I love movies.

[@mkkm1701]

​​@@Njbear7453 The medium is animation, but it's an adult story.

[@hackapump]

The problem with the vasall that ended up killing himself and his baby wasn't that he offended his boss, it was that he offended the enemy sitting opposite of his boss. Mariko touches on it in a later episode when she explains it to Blackthorne: "Something had to be done to avoid a bigger blood bath". Obviously I'm not defending the decision, it is horrific to modern sensibilities. My only point is there is a logic behind the horror. And that is one of the things this show succeeds so incredibly well with: We come away with a deeper understanding and empathy for these people, whose culture is so opaque and alien to us. That is master storytelling.

[@likearollingstone007]

Best series playing right now

[@danescerri3297]

Keep watching. Not every episode is so intense

[@GeorgeSweet]

The earthquake episode was my favorite. Ive never seen an earthquake done so well and frighteningly.

[@disappointedfather5114]

It's just a reflection of how brutal Japanese culture was in the feudal era and how jaded they were in the face of death, especially where honor was concerned.

[@kanaric]

This show is awesome

[@hostilebogeyinbound]

Mariko started my Yellow Fever up again. I'm sick af now. thanks.

[@JGrimm52]

Same cough cough cough

[@barryirlandi4217]

for real!!

[@seanderoo37]

Bruh lmao. But yeah, i'm seriously in love with Anna Sawai.

[@anthonykeane4984]

A gentleman of taste

[@DanielThureskog]

Same

[@DjuraValtr]

And the best part is that it is historical accurate for that time period. You think it's fantasy stuff like in GOT but no. Cruel torture and execution like that do happen and it's not shy to show it.

[@WelfareChrist]

I think what makes Bill so great as a comedian is in his head he's always taking step back and just watching shit unfold and describes it out loud. He does that here and the argument he had with Bill Maher over the college protests is another great example of him doing that.

[@larsyxa]

It is a masterpiece...

[@johng6565]

Mr. Inbetween. Best show on Hulu

[@mrsusan9294]

run.

[@wtfuchickenhead]

Mr. Inbetween is one of the greatest shows I’ve ever watched, it’s short and sweet also.

[@richardnock2198]

100%

[@johng6565]

@@wtfuchickenhead Yes! It has such a unique tone. It bounces from action to comedy to moments that are surprisingly emotional. Burly Dee Billiams, I know you have to be reading this, you would love Mr. Inbetween

[@eigerw]

@@mrsusan9294 I go back and watch that scene everytime it pops into my head, probably my favorite ending scene to any show ever.

[@SatansSimgma]

This show captivated me as a boy, years later i read the book, amazing. I might have to get Hulu.

[@citizenVader]

Amazing show. It's just as good as the first version and, to most extent, even better. I want the books now.

[@TangoNevada]

Bill Burr "I gave up at the point they boiled a guy" - And also "It's an amazing fucking series". For all the reasons Bill "Appears" to hate the series are reasons I love it. And I'm a huge fan of BillBurr (Like Bilbo).

[@Ask4This]

Now let's get a series on the peasant revolt in Hungary in 1514, György Dósza now that is a grotesque torture scenario Hulu can get behind.

[@markfisher3111]

Nice! Bill Burr review on Shogun. Love it! 😂 keep em coming

[@briansachson]

lololol thank you for adding Mr sparkla

[@thanh-nguyen1976]

I hope this show wins all the awards!! So freakin good.

[@Njbear7453]

This was THE best show I’ve watched probably since Mindhunters on Netflix! Amazing!!!

[@Huckleberry42]

After watching the final episode i was legit depressed for a day. Incredible show.

[@infamouswildcat11]

That was the culture back in the day. Words had weight…

[@Phoenix-nl2ut]

Shogun is amazing

[@RicardoMoralesMassin]

Liked for the top-notch editing. It compliments Bill's words perfectly

[@digitalcommunist6335]

Great show, one pf the best last 10 years.

[@xtraflo]

Shogun is a Masterpiece!!

[@raybrooks2429]

After finishing it i had existential depression for 3 days. 10/10.

[@Milton2k]

Quite an opening episode, yet the series has many other great ones. Quite a breath of fresh air, a really great series. A one that will not have a second season for it was designed to be only one.

[@SuperSomphon]

Best show in years! We need more!

[@jamescutler8055]

Great show. Loved it and the 80s version as well.

[@johngiles6376]

I love this show.

[@scythegaming99]

One of my favorite shows so far

[@gabrielorville5334]

One day we'll get a Unit 137 show/movie, and that's where the rubber meets the road.

[@ryankeyes3101]

It was unit 731 and I agree but believe it or not almost everything we know now about frost bite and hypothermia is because of the experiments that unit 731 did I’m not condoning what they did they were still monsters just stating a fact.

[@johnmele533]

They do. “Man Behind the Sun” (1988). I think it has some other name too, but it’s all about Unit 731, and it is hard to watch. Unless I fell for a joke and you already knew about it.

[@pauljackson2409]

Yeah. Look up the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment carried out on black men in the US between 1932 and 1972, before you get on your moral high horse.

[@samwallaceart288]

If anyone makes that show, someone will get knifed over it. Some parts of Japan never fully lost the war.

[@kaelinvictus6039]

Amazing story, pacing and nuanced characters. Not a single episode wasted/pandered for DEI and we get 10 full episodes of meaning which beautifully conveys life, death, honor and loyalty. Even the women who are ruthless are still feminine and respected while being captivating the whole time. A great show that entertains and educates at the same time.

[@jlipari58]

Great show.

[@bkenwood88]

This came outta nowhere for me, amazing show.

[@sparkymcplug3765]

I read the book back in the '70s, it was excellent.

[@chrono050]

One of the best shows in YEARS

[@Alfie223]

Wow i did not expect such a puzzy azz take from Bill 😂

[@andrewa3441]

That Mr. Sparkle edit lmaoo perfect

[@DanielThureskog]

It was so unexpected. 😂

[@YahWay.]

Apparently Bill Burr didn't see the original Shogun either, which shocked the hell out of people. And that was 40 years ago, when people were more sensitive to boiling people. James clavell . The author of novel probably had a bit more reality in his Life to draw on. He was a pow in Singapore's Changi prison, as a prisoner of the emperor of Japan. " Clavell did not talk about his wartime experiences with anyone, even his wife, for 15 years after the war. For a time he carried a can of sardines in his pocket at all times and fought an urge to forage for food in rubbish bins. He also experienced bad dreams and a nervous stomach kept him awake at night.[

[@saturnstar718]

Shogun was amazing!

[@totolino85]

best show in a VERY long time.

[@shurngirdleh3936]

My friend plays Blackthorne, he’s also a musician and director

[@jesusrivera2970]

3:45 LMFAOOOOOOO BRUHHHH 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@marijnschell8301]

The actor (or voice actor) did an amazing job. Those screams man... they stuck with you.

[@cwytonweb]

Bill is going to love my Shogun Ted Lasso mash up. Ted kills them with a stash o' kindness.

[@zourzioussama2078]

such a great show

[@spacegerrit9499]

As a Dutchman I was surprised how accurate the Fluyt ship was portrayed. They're usually just any old threemaster and no one really cares. But in this it was the real deal, and the crew and the captain were all spot on calvinistic old skool Dutch. Just dirt and grime all over them from this perilous journey. Very well done.

[@suivzmoi]

2:00 he was going to say "enjoy" lol

[@socks5050]

Best show and honors the book

[@brandensandberg6668]

This show was great

[@christopherking4932]

Amazing show.

[@ericbloodaxe8226]

its a re make , i love them both

[@quest1524]

It’s been sitting with me since I watched it is exactly why they did it that way

[@michaelwilkerson7419]

"That's the right move here"☠️

[@djdksf1]

I hope Bill get back to it at some point. It's worth the pain. Incredible show. The last episode broke me.

[@bizonc]

His boss 😂😂😂😂

[@GamerKatz_1971]

So basically Burr is saying that if you watch Shogun then you are "into" what the character do to people. I hope he has never seen Pulp Fiction, or really any other western film.

[@waltermatthewberg]

The show is great. Every character always wanting to kill them self all the time is kinda annoying but maybe people were like that I have no idea. Here's hoping they don't royally fuck up the ending tomorrow.

[@Squealing_Dawg]

Not just his son, himself after. Lol very interesting

[@peterengelen2794]

One of the greatest shows of the last 25 years (and I've watched the original series in the early 80s, which was already quite an experience, tho not sure if it still holds up, especially compared to the 2024 series).

[@jasonmoser8957]

I watched the original version a few weeks ago and am watching this now. The original was shot in Japan, and the newer version was shot in British Columbia-very noticeable if you have lived in Japan. The original is better acted for certain characters like Yabu, Mariko, Buntaro, and a few others. In the original, their gestures, mannerisms, displays of emotions, and mindsets are entirely Japanese. In the newer version, these characters, at times, are not. very Japanese. Overall, it is a good series.

[@Njbear7453]

@@jasonmoser8957do you know where I can find the original show ?

[@Njbear7453]

@@jasonmoser8957is it available on physical media ?

[@farmgirlrebel1333]

Outstanding show...I'll be rewatching/binging it in the future.

[@richardnock2198]

This is the guy who loves Tarantino movies that are just as violent

[@farikalsayid5654]

Bill what happened to you? 😂

[@CufflinksAndChuckles]

Now that we saw Shogun, I think we’re now ready for a Blood Meridian adaptation.

[@andresgil1449]

If it would have been Bill in the Cauldron he would have making fun of the villagers the whole time! You call this hot water! lol

[@Sirius-me5zy]

I fking love this show,thank you fox

[@MarkArandjus]

"Aw man, it's brutal."

[@rickDArula]

That Samurai culture is real sh*t

[@gl22222]

1:44 made me laugh so hard

[@MBBurchette]

In the book, Fujiko is introduced shortly after the Samurai’s fatal outburst at Ishido’s insults. She is described as a “recently widowed samurai,” so the reader assumes that it was her husband who almost killed Ishido. Only in the final chapters is it revealed that her husband was actually the samurai who fell into the pit when Blackthorne refused to sacrifice one of his sailors to a boiling death. It makes her loyalty to Toranaga and service to Blackthorne as a samurai that much more meaningful. Have not seen the new series, but it sounds almost as great as the source material.

[@optimusrhymz2226]

Agreed.

[@thenops8664]

Bill's take 😂😂😂 but the show is great I enjoyed it

[@woozyguy9]

Feudal Japan was a tough go around.. especially for the LAAAAADIES

[@mcribbedherpleasure668]

I had one katana for years, this show made me realize I needed to buy another one

[@Torontokid]

It is very good. I thought it was falling off a bit but it went even harder.

[@TheAirlock]

Great show review Bill! If you’re interested, check out the historical origins of samurai killing themselves for their lords. It’s a sick read.