Bill Cipher vs. The Collector

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[@Animationfun647]

For another versus battle idea, you should try belos all forms vs the core all forms

[@stars_pj]

You should do a star butterfly VS Steven universe

[@Animationfun647]

Maybe one with toffee to

[@Draconic_Lorecraft]

Actually (not doing a nerd thing) I am going to point out a things that aren’t exactly valid, The first is the shadow forms/fragmented, as there is a difference which will make it invalid as bill was doing it from “his” realm freely, and could only do this after Gideon summoned him. While the collector isn’t just in another realm. He was imprisoned, by the Titan, which seals his powers, not the same thing here. The second one will be the crater, as scientifically the holding of that massive castle is actually a better strength feat than the size of the crater, and it was with the collector NERFED, as he was being overtaken by the corrupted Titan gore moss, which deactivates his powers, or weakens it at this moment, and physically weakens it as-well as we seen with other people effected by it. And the third and final one is the multiversal feat, with the rift, and while unrelated to the point, we don’t actually have any real feats for time baby so we don’t know how strong that is, and now to the real point, time baby wasn’t stating that if bill was in that universe existence was doomed, he was saying if the “rift” bill was using was continued, it would grow by itself and consume it all, it wasn’t bill, it was the rift he was using. Remember, bill couldn’t enter our world physically till the rift was open, he couldn’t get his army’s till the rift was open, and it was the rift that posed the threat. Yes he was stated to be a multiversal threat. However a insane terrorist with all the access codes to the nukes would be called a global threat, but that doesn’t mean he would be scaled to planetary. Now, I am still not debating whenever your analysis on who would win is wrong, I just simply wanted to state and correct some facts on the analysis.

[@DamianTacoman]

Here is a fight technoblade vs god

[@ironmuro]

One thing not mentioned that I think tips the scales in Bill's favor even more is The Collector is extremely easy to manipulate. Manipulating people is Bill's specialty. If these two fought Bill would likely take over The Collector or convince him to work for him in some way only adding The Collector's powers to his own.

[@nataliaborys1554]

I can imagine Bill making the Collector one of his chaos buddies. I mean, pre-finale he had the right mentality for it - have fun, ignoring what consequences it has for the people around you. A little lie about the people actually not being hurt at all here and there and he'd win them over easily, no fight required. Now, post-finale Collector might be a bit trickier, since Bill's plan for Gravity Falls is so similiar to Collector's "plan" for the Boiling Isles, he'd explicitly know that that is wrong. But still, I can imagine Bill finding a way to manipulate him if given enough time

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

EXACTLY. It wouldn't come to a fight.

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

@@nataliaborys1554 Hey, Bill doesn't have to tell the Collector what his plans actually are. He could easily claim he's doing something the Collector would still see as a good thing, just like Belos with Hunter.

[@starsteve4143]

Yeah Bill doesn’t even need to use his powers he could probably just manipulate the collector into doing what he wants

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

@@ultimatesora4467 Wait, what? How did you come to that conclusion? I haven't been bashing the series anywhere. Pretty sure the most negative thing I've said about it online is that the time constraints on the third season screwed over a few storylines. And that was Disney's fault. Also... on you other comment, the one addressed to Iron Muro. All right, sure. The Collector agreeing to work with Belos in the first place is not necessarily a sign that he's easy to manipulate. I'm reminded of an episode near the end of The Last Airbender's second season, where Azula lets Long Feng think he's manipulating her so that she can double-cross him to spectacular effect later. Agreeeing to work with a manipulative villain isn't a sign that you're easy to manipulate, sure. Not noticing any red flags in the following relationship is, though. The Collector doesn't seem to have seen Belos's double cross coming. He believed he was actually going to be freed right up until Belos threw him off a bridge. Then he fell for the Owl House game. One look at those kids' faces should've been enough to tell him they were lying. So unless he was looking at Hunter the whole time, King and co very easily manipulated him in exactly the way I said that Bill Cipher might try to. Then later, we have Raine/Belos doing exactly the same thing, and the Collector finally sort of pushed back there - but not because he thought Raine/Belos was lying. Becuase Raine/Belos's advice was legit rather stupid. He really doesn't seem to have ever figured out that Raine wasn't trying to be helpful. Then later, his redemption arc is basically completed in a five-minute conversation. That's not a case of manipulation, but it is a sign that he doesn't have much that he's sure of. In summary, there isn't, so far as I can remember, a single time in the series where someone tried to trick the Collector and he saw through it. He's a terrible judge of character and he usually doesn't question whether what people are saying is what they actually mean. This isn't a knock on the Collector. He's, what, five? Eight? Somewhere between those ages, at least mentally. He's not supposed to be a discerning adult. He's not supposed to be able to recognize when someone he should be able to trust is just using him. At that age, he should still be innocent, and his tendency to fall for everything is a sign that he is. Also, not everyone can or should be Azula. It takes all sorts to make a story go around.

[@thesixthmonth4928]

The collector to Bill: "... why do you sound like King?" Bill: "WHO?"

[@STONLEYZ]

Nah king is bill reincarnated, cus when bill died, he spoke backwards begging to an Almighty axolotl to reincarnate him as something else, maybe that something else was king?

[@creeperplayz5742]

​@@STONLEYZ given King's past that was revealed in seasons 2 and 3, King being a reincarnated Bill Cipher doesn't really fit in there

[@Leslie.N.]

@@STONLEYZI think that theory has been disproven. As of now, the Book of Bill shows that bill hasn’t yet reincarnated, and is currently in a mental institution

[@Gravity-Falls-Enjoyer]

@@STONLEYZ dont wanna sound like an ERM ACTUALLY but have you read the book o bill

[@TheKingOfNerds]

@@Gravity-Falls-Enjoyer the book wasn’t out when he commented though

[@METerrell]

The only reason why the Collector couldn't tell where King was was only because King had the collar on that his father apparently left for him to hide King from the Collector. It had nothing to do with his powers. That doesn't mean that Bill is more powerful in that way, just that he didn't have things blocking him from seeing others the way that the Collector did. Also, the Collector mentioned that he taught Philip/Belos magic, which was stronger than anyone else's in the Boiling Isles & that was while he was still trapped.

[@RainbowNiffty]

just to correct you, kings dad never gave king the collar, it was just the symbol on it that king carved in The Owl House season 3 episode 3 Echoes of The Past

[@vibezonegaming]

@@RainbowNiffty However the cave was marked up with that symbol.

[@RainbowNiffty]

@@vibezonegaming what cave?

[@vibezonegaming]

@@RainbowNiffty The cave King’s egg was found in?

[@RainbowNiffty]

@@vibezonegaming uh sure cave

[@Cat-pv6yx]

Common answer: bill wins against the current collector but probably falls off against a battle with an older collector like the grand huntsman or the archivists, gotta remember that being in the boiling isles definitely nerfed some of his powers due to the place literally being made with titan magic.

[@Randomguyedits4235]

a collector to change the science of it the collectors honestly ain’t that powerful there whole clan is mostly galixy at best but bill has said he destroyed a multiverse for the f of it he also said he is a being with no known weakness and if he does have one it isn’t on the boiling isles

[@rest1585]

The collector doesn’t stand a chance

[@deletelater3484]

@@Randomguyedits4235 "It does take several collectors to destroy a world" why are you making assumptions without a source the YOUNGEST collector legit moved something 1/4 the size of earth effortlessly in a splitsecond, really bold assumption to make there

[@Randomguyedits4235]

@@deletelater3484 and a bill cipher destroyed a multiverse yes I did use that assumption even if it wasn’t correct it is equally as correct as it is not we don’t even know or see a collector destroy a world but we have seen bill destroy a universe plus the collector knows not about bill while bill knows everything going on if he wants to he can just find out all of the collector powers and feats everything he has done and will do bill is both smarter stronger faster better more knowledgeable more trustworthy more god like more funny more broken version of the collector

[@deletelater3484]

​@@Randomguyedits4235 You were referring to adult collectors when you made your comment, I don't understand while you're talking about the young one now. We haven't seen a collector destroy a world because there hasn't been a reason to - but we can reasonably conclude they can because they can expand to be even larger than the planets themselves. Also ain't no way you decided that talking about how "funny" Bill was would help this discussion... and really? You did not just call Bill more trustworthy...

[@claraakemi8019]

I actually think one of the Collector's most impressive feats was the crazy reality manipulation he demonstrated when playing pacman, marbles and jenga. He just transformed everything around him with a snap of his fingers. But I think Bill's manipulation would be enough to defeat him. That child is way too naive.

[@sychuan3729]

I dunno. Collector could be invincible to everything except titans power. Also he is child. It would be fair to ask child Bill vs Collector, or Bill vs adult collectors. In this case is very difficult to say who wins.

[@ethanmays4548]

@@sychuan3729 I don't think Bill Could Handle the full selection of Archivists. Any one of them might be possible. But against all of them. Especially if we assume their powers continue to grow until they reach their adult form similar to titans or lobsters?

[@sutanranggaaditya719]

​@@ethanmays4548 bill still one shot the archivist had no feat to put it on bill level

[@senakuma9985]

​@@sutanranggaaditya719 also no feat to put Bill on their lvl either what...

[@sutanranggaaditya719]

@@senakuma9985 destroy dimension? Killing a time baby? Literally rhe most fear being in the multiverse? Destroy his own dimension? Creating a nightmare realm?

[@StarcoFanatic]

I think Bill would win eventually but it wouldn't be a short fight I don't think. These two powerful beings will go on battling for quite a while, no doubt causing all sorts of other destruction along the way. Bill is as cunning as he is intelligent so eventually, with time, he'd be able to figure out a way to neutralize the Collector if not flat out just kill him like he did with Time Baby. Speaking of Time Baby, I think it'd be pretty funny though if in this hypothetical 1v1 he actually tried blowing up the Collector into nothing just like with Time Baby (his opening move essentially) only for it not to work at all, giving him pause and a moment of WTF that didn't work?

[@MegaEdeath]

I mean Bill bare minimum is low complex multiversal, thats 2 layers of infinity above the Collector's power

[@Randomguyedits4235]

Bill destroyed a multiverse to clear up Bordum I highly doubt the collector can do anything to that

[@tanukeei]

Bill intelligence are his advantage, power wise/strength no clue

[@MegaEdeath]

@@tanukeei Bill power wise lowballs to low complex multiversal (which is infinitely bigger then an infinite multiverse worth of power), meanwhile the Collector maxes out to multi solar system level

[@maryboyd8126]

The thing is, we've seen the full scope of Bill's power, or at least what it could be at, we as of late have not been able to see what collector has been able to do fully at least, if you're talking about the collector from the boiling isles, then if they were fighting in the boiling isles, then the collector would be weakened, which also means that his feet of moving the Moon literally effortlessly, was a feet done while being weakened,, and if we're talking about an adult collector like the archivists, if we're going to consider them adults, if the collector is a child from the boiling isles is this strong, and answering the fact we haven't even seen the actual collector we know of right now, we haven't even seen his full power, unless the owl house is continued or something, then we pretty much have to chalk it up to a draw, we have so little information about what exactly The collector can and can't do that we can't accurately pinpoint how the fight would go, let's not also forget though that the collector, is apparently part of a clan that is kind of like the gods of The owl House, if we were to take that into conclusion and say that maybe a fully grown collector is a strong as axolotl from gravity falls, which I myself kind of doubt, then we would know that Bill cipher would probably instantly lose, but as I have stated we don't know the full scope of the collector's power therefore we can't make an accurate representation of how the fight may go, although with the information we do know, The collector from the boiling isles, with the information we now know, would most likely lose to Bill cipher even if he was out of the boiling isles, if he was out it would probably be a little bit of a tougher fight but still an easy one for Bill cipher, but that is just a guess off of the information we know of The collector, and the archivists.

[@thumbsup8985]

Thing was, the collector had to be kept in a prison specifically designed for him. Once he was out, we know it is fully within his abilities to navigate the multiverse because he made a new portal door. Bill on the other hand can't get to new dimensions unless there's a pre-existing link between them.

[@charlescalvin273]

Bill I Think COULD go into other dimensions But If you remember from gravity falls, Some kind of object (inter-dimensional Rift) was stopping bill from coming to our dimension. Once it was broken, he was Free, Pretty Much Able To Do Anything he wanted But Couldn’t Leave Gravity Falls Because Of The Barrier Keeping Him Inside

[@thumbsup8985]

I thought it was more like. The rift _could_ be used as a portal. If it ever broke. That's why Ford was looking for that alien glue to patch it up.

[@ugootoo]

@@thumbsup8985 idf it was he would ahve used the neift not destroy it he came froma big portal that was diffrent from herift

[@eonragnarock2366]

​@@thumbsup8985I Think it was stated that Bill was only going to gravity falls universe because it was the one with most laws that he could manipulate however. And that if he managed to get out of the bubble the multiverse was going to be destroyed or something

[@globsterjail8195]

Here's the thing about this, though: It's been stated that Bill can traverse universes on his own in the post-show comics, and (I'm not sure about this part so don't quote me on this) in Journal #3. And most people forget this when scaling Bill against other characters, but Bill 'destroying his own dimension' isn't referring to a universe. It's referring to the literal *dimension* he resided in, that being the second dimension. This is a **HUGE** difference. When one is referring to a specific universe, the other is referring to a plane. That means that he, *singlehandedly* mind you, destroyed *every* 2D universe. That's why it was so important for him to get to Gravity Falls in the show, because the entire dimension was breaking due to him destroying everything in it. People usually throw around the words dimension and universe as if they're interchangeable, but when taken into proper context Bill's feats are *completely* blown out of the water compared to how they're viewed beforehand.

[@avch1209]

if there is a threat of a higher level than Bill Cipher, the merger of Luz and Anne would have to be necessary... or perhaps that of Luz and Star

[@JustDoingReviews]

Bill Cipher wins with ease literally he destroyed the whole second dimension which could be a multiverse like the 3D world or just one universe but both of them are still more impressive feats that the Collector has and Anne and Luz even in titan form combined.

[@crcoghill]

Anne destroyed a moon and Luz barely showed off her skills outside of strength and some spells, but nothing that physically hurt Belos. Not to mention both forms don't last forever and Anne died after her's ran out. Bill, however, was only beaten by a specific ritual made specifically for him and erasing him from existence by trapping him and removing all the user's memory and even then: it's hard to say his truly gone. I feel a being of equal power to Bill could truly beat him or, at best, throw him into another universe to be trapped in, and even then, it depends on who is fighting him. I'm not sure the God of Amphibia or King's Dad could beat him.

[@JustDoingReviews]

@@crcoghill This is so true also Bill can call on the name of the Axolotl and come back in a different form. Edit: Which is using the power of god and The Axolotl is the most powerful been in The Owl House, Amphibia, Star versus the forces of evil, and Gravity Falls because they are all connected.

[@Krishnadiadas2011]

Something everyone doesn’t get: THEY MEANT THE MERGER. That intergalactic thing that made Anne get revived, the Titan that did the same with Luz, and Stars whatever (I forgot the show, ok?) still, even with all these 3 combined, it wouldn’t be enough to kill a being that ended dimensions (Collector added, still it’s a no.)

[@fancygamer5896]

Something people forgets to consider is that Anne will become the inter galactic omega being after she dies so she might have power that are at least universal plus.

[@ch00w00]

Although I agree that Bill would win against the Collector, I can't stop thinking that the Collector is still just a child, even if he is over a hundred years old. The Archivists themselves seem to be a lot more powerful than the Collector since they were able to wipe out almost all of the Titans, an already powerful race with almost god-like abilities. So, even though Bill definitely wins against the Collector in their current forms right now, I can't help but wonder how the fight would look like if the Collector was finally all grown up like their family. Too bad we don't have as much lore on the archivists compared to Bill as of now so all I can do is theorise.

[@Truthwatch100]

To be fair the titans are not that strong there magic is just a counter

[@BetterbowI]

bill negs the archivists as well

[@felixromero9532]

​@@BetterbowINormally I would say no, but I must ask how?

[@BetterbowI]

@@felixromero9532 he can destroy an infinite multiverse

[@Lord_SQUIDIOUS]

Also keep in mind bill isn’t at his full power yet. It is stated that he is getting stronger by the second

[@RedBolt244]

Tbh, Bill cypher against the collector is like putting a father (someone who’s lived there life doing what they do, becoming good at it and is still in the prime of there life) against there child (someone with far less experience atm but potential to surpass the father in time) Which is me basically saying the collector COULD get to bill’s level one day but he’s still a kid, so Bill takes the fight.

[@sychuan3729]

Bill could outsmart him, but we don't know how powerful they are relative to each other.

[@RedBolt244]

@@sychuan3729 if Belos ugly ahh could trick the collector, I’m positive Bill can.

[@star5384]

The gun aka quantum distabilizer won't kill bill cipher simply he regeneration those molecules by seconds have immortality types and regeneration btw bill has infinite Power and controls time matter and reality

[@RedBolt244]

@@star5384 exactly, plus collector’s power has been shown to be nullified by a greater power, being when luz was thanos snapped, and collector tried to bring her back, he couldn’t because belos absorbed the power of the titan, making him more powerful than collector. Bill can just make it where collector has no powers and easily take the win.

[@dunno32]

Bill is old, but when he was younger, he destroyed his entire universe and killed everyone in his universe. And we haven't seen what Bill would do if he wasn't stuck in gravity falls

[@artastic_friend]

I feel like Bill would trick Collector to trust him and that they’re on the same side because the collector seems to pretty gullible (being a kid) Bill would probably have the collector to his bidding and possibly even courrupt them mentally by being a bad influence, given that there isn’t anyone else around to help the collector realize what they’re doing is wrong

[@marcusknightley]

I feel like Bill’s skills of manipulation would easily win the fight. The Collector is a kid, but he has the mentality of Mable compared to Dipper or even Gideon. All Bill needs to do is convince Collector with something they want, and Bill could easily warp his deal to fit his needs. And the Collector has been tricked by Belos twice, and King with his “Owl House” game. Collector wants a friend. Bill can offer to be a friend. Just shake his hand, and a deal is made.

[@BrandonJames2016]

Who knows what the collectors siblings are capable of since they are a lot older, wiser, and most likely stronger since they have lived longer being able to hone their powers.

[@Zer0cip]

they seem to be alittle bigger then bill was when taking a bite out of earth as well, just putting this here.

[@rest1585]

Bill is Low complex Multiversal + 11D he solos the collector negative diff bro

[@Normal_Person641]

@Zer0cip bill can grow much bigger though as a being of "pure energy with no weakness" with infinite power

[@pjdixon6199]

@@rest1585, stop being biased

[@rest1585]

@@pjdixon6199 no bias

[@heybro8845]

Bill can actually be very easily defeated. When people talk about how to defeat Bill they always fail to mention the laser gun Ford tried to use in episode 1 of the Weirdmageddon arc. If he had hit Bill instead of his hat like he did, the show would've ended then and there. Also Titan bones are incredibly strong. The fact that the Collector was able to destroy its skull so easily in the S2 finale is insanely impressive

[@cadegaming2454]

It was also said that it would have only shot him back to the Nightmare realm, not killing him.

[@StarcoFanatic]

The show would have ended then but it wouldn't have killed him. He'd be free to simply try again some other millenia. Heck I'm convinced he didn't fully die even after what the Stans did to him. I think the only true way to kill him is through the Zodiac circle but he can be defeated, technically, in other ways

[@heybro8845]

@@cadegaming2454 I mean yeah but that’s kinda the problem with Bill right? Since Bill’s only tether to the real world is his physical form, which is made of material that can be relatively easy to destroy, he can be quite easily defeated if Bill gets caught off guard or is even a little cocky. I’d imagine he would be if he was told he was facing a kid with the maturity of an 8 year old.

[@Randomguyedits4235]

First of all that gun probably took several years to create in different dimensions probably bill cipher ONE SHOTTED the embodiment of time who not to mention drank pieces of space like milk the collectors real feats have just been moving the moon mostly and after hundreds of thousands of years don’t you think those bones would get a little weaker especially since it’s in boiling waters also bill has destroyed a multiverse (dimensions in gravity falls are full of universes) CUZ HE WAS FREAKING BORED I don’t know where the collector shows that the collector is like galixy and bill is complex multi dude the collector is weak also bill doesn’t even need his powers actually cuz bill is a master manipulator he could just manipulate the collector to do something idk what that could affect the collector in a bad way and that would also work not to mention that the only reason bill lost is cuz of his ego and if it weren’t for that eh would’ve won and before anyone gets out there collector turning bill into puppet bill said he is a being of pure energy and had no weakness (except for the zodiac but you need spesific people and 2 of them aren’t commonly there) bill also said he can control time space and reality so who’s to say he can just say “ hey collector you don’t exist” and suddenly he doesn’t after weirdmagedin bill gained lotd of powers and if he had used it across reality he would be god in some ways bill is stronger but I highly doubt he could beat the collector also not to mention the collector would never the zodiac since he wouldn’t A understand it or B never learn it and C the fact th at he doesn’t have everyone to complete it bill is a very powerful person and only 1-2 people can actually beat him (in gravity falls of course) but not out strength outsmart

[@rest1585]

Bill solos negative diff

[@avch1209]

Was the collector a threat only on the boiling islands, or could it be the case that boredom decides to go to Earth and force humans to play too?

[@pr1nc3y25]

If anything, The Collector could possibly have been at his weakest at the Boiling Isles because of the titan magic. If he went to Earth, where there is no titan magic, he would most likely be able to make everyone on Earth a puppet in maybe a week, a couple days maximum.

[@Giga883]

@@pr1nc3y25 oh yea plus he was just getting used to his powers again and all his loses are cause of Titan magic so against the dumb weak humans he would win but if the moms got together I don’t know

[@sychuan3729]

@@pr1nc3y25 He could move moon without efforts. He could destroy both earth or boilingisles world immideately. Never understand why people think he is weak

[@senakuma9985]

​@@sychuan3729 that's what I'm saying

[@pr1nc3y25]

@@sychuan3729 I never said he was weak, just that he was probably at his weakest. He could absolutely destroy Earth if he wished to, but since we don't know the pure scale of the world the Boiling Isles is in, I don't really think it's possible to say that world would be destroyed. He could slam the moon into the world causing mass damage, but I'm not sure that would destroy it. But that's kinda negligible since he could easily turn everyone into a puppet very quickly, so his raw power can kinda be ignored. He's a stupidly powerful character who could absolutely wreak havoc without breaking a sweat, just maybe not to the extreme Bill can, but he could definitely give him a run for his money.

[@Vertex_vortex]

The collector is just a child that wants to play with someone and bill is straight up evil and wanting to conquer the universe

[@wilunderwood69]

Nah man Bill just wants to party

[@Vertex_vortex]

@@wilunderwood69 I know that

[@MXALOVE]

I think an adult collector would be a much better matchup, the Collector definitely has a bigger arsenal of things he can do, but all the same we don't know the full extent of either

[@rest1585]

No he doesn’t lol bill can completely reality warp lol

[@thespork1905]

​@@rest1585 Dude we don't know what an Archivist can do.

[@sychuan3729]

@@rest1585 lol. Collector also could reality warp. Do you even watch the show?

[@rest1585]

@@sychuan3729 He has no feats proving that he has control over the fabric of reality and/or time. Everything he’s done can easily be explained as spatial and/or environment manipulation. On top of that reality wrapping on a 3D scale would do nothing against an 11D being.

[@rest1585]

@@thespork1905 And we can’t assume it’s going to be enough to stop a low complex Multiversal being.

[@Starwarsfanboy0928]

Honestly, I'd say Bill Cipher because although both beings are powerful, the Collector is a child who just wants friends he can trust after thousands and thousands of years being betrayed. Bill Cipher is a being who wants nothing but power and that's what makes him not only powerful than the Collector but also a scary and hilarious villain.

[@xxjoebamaxx7782]

in the journals it says that bill is a threat to the multiverse, and he has a huge range of abilities. i think that he wins a lot more easily than this video says, especially since the collector has way more limits than bill, he cant just do literally anything and his fire power is weaker

[@star5384]

Finally someone has brain

[@BetterbowI]

fax

[@ABtheButterfly]

Being that the Collector is a child it's possible he not even at his full power and will just get stronger when he ages though being immortal and aging very slowly that would take very long time to reach full strength Bill Cipher is an adult and apparently trillion years old and at full strength and Collector being able match up despite being a child is honestly impressive

[@BetterbowI]

even when the collector grows up he will still get destroyed by bill💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@StareachValcin]

Bill Cipher at full power was shown to be more powerful than the Collector at full power. Even while both were suppressed, Bill was still able to do more than the Collector.

[@sychuan3729]

We haven't seen collector at full power, lol. He is child at place which is full of titan powers which make him weaker. And Bill was stuck inside small bubble around gravity falls, where he realy didn't have done anything more cool than collector

[@sutanranggaaditya719]

​@@sychuan3729 burning his own dimension? Changing someone face? Make no law? One shot a time baby? Was a threat to the multiversal?

[@reaper8791]

@@sutanranggaaditya719 Please speak in actual English

[@sutanranggaaditya719]

@@reaper8791 this is english

[@funnybones98]

⁠@@sychuan3729"he hasn't done anything cool" with a whim he could've destroyed that entire universe easily, the weirdness barrier stopped him from doing anything else. remember when he was doing the bit where he drew a smiley face on Earth? he would've been able to without that, and easily much more. he burned his own dimension, and his only weakness besides the barrier is his arrogance. adding on, he created a pocket universe without having to exert much force. for more, he one-shotted Time Baby who was an avatar of time who has the ability to grant ANY WISH. He's also shown extreme intelligence surpassing Ford. Mind that Ford is implied to have worked with Rick Sanchez, and to have even a fraction of that intelligence is astounding. The whole point of Bill is that he defies everything, so not much works against him.

[@youtubebobguy]

Bill Cipher's Nightmarish Form: This is fine Pac Man Collector: AWH HECK NAH-

[@Angie_Ashf3rn]

I imagine they have the same powers, just that The Collector never really got enough screen time to fully express that (Disney’s fault for canceling the show.)

[@AxoTheAxolotl1]

You have to remember, the collector is weak to titan magic, but Bill is a “being of pure energy with no weaknesses” according to him in Sock Opera.

[@pokemonpickle8637]

I feel like neither could win. The collector can only be harmed by titan magic, while bill has a very specific death.

[@phacey4444]

The outcome of a battle between these 2 would actually be very dependent on the battle rules

[@BillCiphersArtist]

Not really bill at minimum is low complex multiversal, already much higher Tham the collector who at most can maybe be scaled to universal although mostly planetary

[@Gamer_G33k]

@@BillCiphersArtist Though Bill has multiple weaknesses, such as Unicorn hair. Whos to say he doesnt have even more? Meanwhile the Collectors only confirmed weakness is titans, and the last Titan is the Collectors friend.

[@BillCiphersArtist]

@@Gamer_G33k that's not true either, because when belos virus git on him he was weakened, and the argument that it was because he was controlling the titan isn't valid because it was the body of belos that hit the collector. Not only so, bill is not weak to unicorn hair but the spell as it's anti weirdness, even then it can't hurt him but more or less just block him. In which again the collector showed no resemblance to having, the collectors powers of reality alone are minuscule compared to bill and like a daydream compared to the nightmare bill creates. Even then dimensional wise the collector has shown powers that at max can be argued to be planetary and maybe universal if he grew up while bill is argued to be multiversal at least.

[@BillCiphersArtist]

@@Gamer_G33k plus the argument who's to say doesn't work here as all of his weaknesses are stated clearly whether is be the unicorn spell, zodiac or mind erasing. Other than those the book says he has no weaknesses and saying the book isn't valid because it was created by Ford would be stupid as he literally spent several years knowing bill

[@Morales3088]

Bill literally one shots the collector, the archivists and the all at once

[@johnhayward998]

I say the collector is probably more powerful than bill he's the star child God while bill is just a demon I say let the heavens light smight the demons

[@stolenentity4641]

This “just a demon” you’re talking about is a inter dimensional demon that legitimately took over the Nightmare Realm that resides beyond space and time, because of the fact that it connects to all of the dimensions. Not only that, but The Collector showed no threat to the universe, while Bill did possessed a entire threat to the WIDER multiverse as said in the journals. Plus he has better abilities than The Collector. Tell me otherwise how The collector would counter against reality warping abilities that can alter the universe and reality itself. Bill also withstood a gun that was supposed to turn him into nothingness, which The Collector would barely penetrate through his durability, especially with Size manipulation that Bill possesses as well. Bill cannot also thusly be traditionally killed.

[@leef9874]

although i do agree with you, i think this is an unfair fight. bill is openly malicious and is extremely experienced in manipulation and destruction. on the other hand, the collector is literally an eight year old (in terms of his species) and their main goal is to make friends. the collector could probably do much more damage than he already did if he was older and more experienced, especially since he's pretty much free to go wherever he pleases. if bill and the collector shared the same goal and experience, then it *would* be a very difficult fight.

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

TO be honest they couldn't kill each other due to their weaknesses being EXTREMELY SPECIFIC AND RARE. Both of these characters are amazing so I won't really want to pitch them in a fight

[@greenentity6846]

4:24 THE MOON

[@YubelLord1]

Bill wins no diff

[@Swervinstraight]

i think if it was the archivists then they might have won but we dont have enough footage of them 🤣

[@benmuller9068]

but now we even know that bill actually never died

[@Godofshinverse]

As a fan of this matchup and planning on doing it for my own vs show box battle, i was very happy to see somebody else talk about it but I do believe that the result has more to what it seems, (Spoilers ahead) So while you said physical stats were irrelevant I do believe there’s something that you didn’t mention, in gravity falls before bill captures ford he was hit by a gun that ford said could destroy him but destroying him at the subatomic level, he did miss this but in the collectors first appearance he was able to manipulate belos’s finger meaning he can control a persons body, and he then easily killed him by splattering him into a fine paste which would be just enough to get the same effect as the gun ford used Next the powers you talked about are while good i feel like you aren’t giving much credit, collector has other powers that actually have a different level of power themselves, in his game with Luz king and Eda collector created multiple different pocket dimensions which he then replaced with new ones implying he’s able to destroy a universe especially one he creates, Now too be fair it’s hard to say wether or not he has a universal potential by snapping his fingers is debatable as we never get to see the true size of his dimensions but we do see him able to destroy them atleast My final point would be their characters, bill is a very smart guy yes but he’s just as equally cocky remember when he saw dipper on the ground and had ford in his hands he allowed bill a chance to attack him, given the nature and looks of the collector and the lack of knowledge on his part its likely he’d do the same now compare that to collector who in situations when he needs to fight he’s shown to instantly try and turn them into puppets and the moon crescents he used are very fast much faster then dipper meaning bill likely might not have much time to react to them In the end Im sure collector should win not taking into account their power however I still have no bias these two characters are very special I just think some things you got wrong but either way it’s a very good video

[@Godofshinverse]

@@voidreal. yea bill was able to regenerate but that was when he had all of his body still intact complete eradication was what’s required from the gun something collector did to belos, and yea bill is very smart and definetely smarter then collector but still his ego and cocky nature would win out here as I mean looking at collector he wouldn’t think much of it and inside of collectors dimension it houses stars and even other celestial bodys like the moon such as his bedroom with king so while it’s not a universe it could possibly be at least a solar system at best, I’m not at all biased to collector tho I do prefer him to bill I still can accept when and when not a character I liked will lose I just think that some stuff wasn’t really brought up not to mention that collector did leave to grow up and in age he’d likely get more powerful so if anything he was also holding back like bill so honestly from what we’ve seen ironically neither of their full potential was shown

[@Maestro_of_chaos]

1) Bill Cipher poses a threat to the multiverse and is able to destroy it 2) Gravity Falls has string theory and quantum mechanics. And as we know, starting with 5D, the creature begins to see the future and ending with 9D, the creature sees an infinite number of future options (this is what Bill has), that is, he is already 9D, that is, he is already demolishing the collector's version 3) we are comparing Bill's physical form, not the true form. That is, its true form is 1-B, and maybe 1-A at the peak. By the way, he sees our universe as a hologram and creates galaxies for his friends

[@rainethenon-binary]

Even though they're friends as of now, I would to see a match between Luz and Hunter. (Besides, we can just say the reason they're fighting is so Hunter can test out Flapjacks magic and see if he has the rest of Flapjacks arsenal at his disposal lol).

[@bestianegra3725]

Make it a death battle

[@Furballlllll]

Bill was a fear in every universe in the gravity falls canon

[@we1rdo_man]

more of the reasons I hoped The Owl House dug dipper on The Archivists & Collector lore because The Collector is just a kid and his siblings seemed to be way more powerful than him on a more Cosmic level since they watch over Creation & Collect things through space (they don't specify what), and they got rid of all the Titans which were powerful too but apparently no match more grown & experienced Archivists Bill would win anyway but I reckon The Collector could put somewhat of a fight, they would at least surprise Bill which I think means something

[@stonefree7973]

This video’s conclusion sounds very accurate. Though, I would love to hear your thoughts on how Bill would handle Titans or adult Collectors such as the Archivists, which may or may not include the Grand Huntsman and the Owl Beast’s sealer. I think Bill beats our kid Collector fairly easily, especially with the intelligence gap. However, I think Bill stops at Titans and adult Collectors, either matching or losing to them. The Boiling Isles Titan locked our Collector away, but presumably died at the hands of the Archivists. All the other Titans, baby or adult, were wiped out by the Archivists. Considering Titan magic nullifies Collector magic, it could be speculated that the Archivists pulled off manipulation on a grand scale in order to exterminate the race. Plus, they seem to have the power to wipe out the entire Demon Realm, whereas child Collector only warped the Boiling Isles. Not to mention that the Titans could have various abilities upscaled from Boiling Isles magic, the flora and fauna spawned from their corpses, and the time pools and interdimensional portals created from their blood.

[@existenceispain_geekthesiren]

We do need to take into consideration that the Collector is a child. If we're talking just the Collector or any Archivist, I think the Archivists would have a fair chance. The Collector is to the Archivists as King is to the Titans. For three years, the most King could do was scream real loud and get really fluffy when his sister died and the world was about to end. The Collector could _move the moon_ with no visible effort, not to mention essentially taking all the residents of the Boiling Isles hostage via magic. We've no idea how powerful they could get in time.

[@EnzoGabriel-xr4np]

Mate I'm a child, I don't know all my powers, and I only appeared in 3 episodes that show my power

[@juliusarcher7241]

A important thing to consider here isnt even really power but just the fact the Collector is just a child, they are a powerful child but still a child. Bill is very intelligent and a master manipulator even more so then Belos who despite being so much weaker then the Collector tricked him multiple times. Though that also shows one thing... the Collector is This powerful while only being a Child. The Archivists who are shows to be a lot bigger then the Collector are almost definitely older versions of their species and they wiped out a entire race of god-like beings with power super effective against all of the power they had yet they still won with only 1 titan still alive. So while the Collector would in their current state almost definitely lose just because of their child like mind alone I would 100% say they could take Bill when Older. The collector has the ability to travel between realities and dimensions just on a dime as shown with how they made a second portal door while Bill with all their power never was able to directly cross between the Second to the Third Dimension and needed a premade link to do so and even then they never was able to bypass the power of Weirdness Trapping the very land for some reason had. The collector only struggled against the presumambly strongest Titans Power and only after being partially hit by a attack they could have easily avoided had they tried so they wouldnt have gotten infected by Belos Titan Moss/Goo and afterwards tried more ranged combat and less direct magical blast but more summoning/reshaping objects. Bill while powerful is seen having struggles they even with all their power cant bypass and the Collector struggles with things mostly just for the fact they are a child and inexperienced/naive.

[@Now_Roxas]

1:13 Bro just teleported to ya couch

[@demirhane9179]

1. If we take the Collector's portraits seriously, the Collector's type can also make them larger than the planets if they deem it necessary. 2. Bill's waves of weirdness are no match for the Collector's town-sized waves that instantly make them sleek and neat, and as Azmuth puts it, "demolition is no brainer and anyone can do it"

[@chongwillson972]

@Demirhane "2. Bill's waves of weirdness are no match for the Collector's town-sized waves that instantly make them sleek and neat, and as Azmuth puts it, "demolition is no brainer and anyone can do it" " bill could have extended his waves of weirdness much further if he wasnt blocked by that barrier.

[@sutanranggaaditya719]

Bill weirdness can cover a whole dimension

[@gameknightplays1211]

Ahh yes the Psychopathic god of chaos vs the god who is a child who just wants to make friends but doesn't know how.

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

I think collector would win for a few reasons. 1. Bill actually doesn’t have more destructive power since we see that collector moved the moon and it wasn’t from a hypothetical so bill’s planet eating feat isn’t really a reliable feat plus if collector can move the moon like you swipe through your phone than I am pretty sure he can destroy a planet. 2. Bill has been shown to be really hurt by spray paint and having a town level at best mech attack you. 3. Bill struggled to catch up to children when he was chasing dipper and Mabel after they escaped their cage. 4. Bill was stated to possibly be able to destroy reality because of his weirdmaggedon and not because his powers. Him destroying time baby isn’t really a good feat since time baby doesn’t actually show any durability feats. So that would put bill at being more frail and not having and reliable strength feats other than city to maybe planetary if you count the hypothetical after he escaped gravity falls and seeming to be pretty slow since he got out paced by children and he seems pretty frail since he gets hurt by spray paint. Collector could probably do enough damage to knock him out at least.

[@WishMakerDX]

2:24 King was also wearing the neckace that prevented the collector from seeing him, without that the collector might have known more about his presence

[@fashionablepug9296]

Bill is centuries older than the collector and had more time to use there power so that already gives them a big advantage. And you never know maybe the collector becomes insanely powerful after they leave as if it was close in the state that we are assuming as the more childish version of themself imagine there power when he matures.

[@nikoneo1174]

i feel like archivists (even one of them) would be ultimately enough to defeat bill tho, collectors terrorised universe for billions of years without any limits, ford stated "bill will be able to take over the galaxy or maybe worse" collectors are going beyond that and even collector on his own is now exploring cosmos

[@itzmehDevi]

I still think Bill would win But I do wanna make some points So our collector is the youngest.. And from that book..it is clear that the archivists or the other collectors can literally wipe out planets if they are annoyed enough Also..The reason why our collector did not seem as much as a threat when he was freed was because they had no malicious intent..Bill had malicious intent Even u saying how belos seemed more of a threat was bcz he also had malicious intent I still think Bill would win but I am sure it'd be a much more harder fight if our collector was older and more evil

[@SauceyRedHN]

I never realized how similar Bill and the Collector’s actions after gaining physical forms were. Spreading chaos around the area, having flying eyeballs/stars turning people to stone/puppets, wanting to have fun.

[@chrisquigley2725]

You forgot about stanford's gun he was confident could defeat bill as well. Only thing is we have no idea as for the mindscape in episode 3 we know that he can summon a puppet and make it go into the mind area which luz felt was very real. There might be a few possibilities that the collector could defeat bill

[@Giga883]

can you count the archive as a accurate thing cause he uses his hands to use his magic and he was weekend do to belos so yea it’s not very fair

[@InsanelyADD]

I think the Collector would win because Bill has far more stated and implied weaknesses and was able to be physically harmed by the mystery mech. Also we dont know if Bill was just lying about the physics thing since he does lie and would definitely do so to appear more imposing. The only thing stated or implied that could stop the Collector is a titan. The only thing that could imprison him is a titan, the only thing implied to be able to kill them is a titan, plus the Collector is heavily implied to have made the portal between the human and demon realms, whereas Bill needed someone else to make a portal for him. The Collector was only ever harmed by the rot that Belos made using Titan magic, and even then it was incredibly slow acting. Bill had his eye ripped out by a robot. Bill had a zodiac that could have stopped him. Bill was erased in someone's mind by a device that couldn't even fully expunge the memories of the person. Bill was contained in a bubble he couldn’t escape or damage by a device made by mortal humans. At every turn Bill has more weaknesses. And we never REALLY saw what the Collector was capable of at full power, going all out, straining the limits of his power. The only time we see them strain is when the rot is actively destroying their magic and killing them. Outside of that every show of strength was done as nonchalantly as brushing hair out of his face. As for being manipulatable, I think after the end of the series when he has good examples he would be able to easily see through Bill. Bill has no patience for children and the Collector is Very Childish and not easily impressed or interested in anything Bill could offer because The Collector has his own incredible power to draw on, so Bill is more likely to slip up and snap at him than a human child or adult that he could dazzle with his power. Plus I'm just going to go and say the Collector at this point should be familiar enough with manipulation that the second he feels like Bill is like Belos he would immediately and inherently not trust him.

[@maxwellthecat9363]

7:59 But collector can control matter aswell, not sure about time but in the episodes KING TIDES you can see his quote before he makes mass destruction ‘if we’re gonna play owl house, We’re gonna need an owl house!’ He is basically using matter manipulation and twisting his hands to crack the titans heads into a spinning spiral.

[@jaxcraft2848]

Yeah, no. Bill is way stronger. I'd have to give the win to Bill.

[@joeldean2706]

Now I just want to see a Death Battle fight between Bill Cipher and The Collector. 2 of the most powerful beings on Disney in the ring would be great.

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

Not caught up with The Owl House yet, so I can't watch because spoilers. Just here to support and say great video concept! Oh and imma request Moon Girl vs Jade Armor for a future VS video.

[@Vertex_vortex]

Be careful of spoilers

[@AevitosTrath]

GO WATCH IT

[@JoshuaM1306]

Basically Bill's just a chaos triangle that thinks it wants chaos and destruction but lies ending up dead in the end thanks to the Gravity Falls team. The Collector just wants to be friends with everyone and that's just way better than Bill, really.

[@benfang7983]

Bill's greatest mistake: being on a disney show (the good guys always win)

[@Kellster12345]

There’s actually a good chance collector could win because no one mentions the fact he literally travels the universe which the speed to do that would need to be faster than light which takes infinite energy so he has infinite energy technically plus he never has a scene we’re he actually uses his power sure him holding up the crown but he was severely nerfed cuz of belos mold and he’s overall nerfed because everything takes place in the body of the titan which is the only thing that can weaken him plus remember the gun Stan had that could kill bill yeah it’s been shown that a human can create a weapon to kill bill so an almighty god would have an even better chance so I don’t think bill would eventually win I think it really depends on the situation because towards the end bill actually tries but loses to humans and the collector never even gets scratched it seems aside from when he’s covered in belos mold but we don’t get to see his true power so I would say it’s almost dead even until we see the collectors true and fully u leashed potential

[@108.Jester]

Bill, he’s has the collectors powers more stronger even as well as intelligence and manipulation which is really easy on the collector

[@admiraloscar3320]

Moving the Moon would either require power output equal to an entire galaxy or bending the laws of the universe. Either way the Collector could rip apart a planet with the same amount of effort they used to move the Moon

[@TheGuyWhoAsked147]

the collector wasn't even trying when he flung belos across the room. bill used all his might to punch that house. you could say "the collector struggled to keep the archives afloat!" but you have to realise thats when belos was slowly eating away at him. bill still probably comes out on top, but hey. just saying.

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

A 4D vs 11D. Bill solos

[@BillCipherandFreddyKreugerFan]

Jobbers and goons can scale bill to hyperversal to outer

[@kingofdemons948]

@@BillCipherandFreddyKreugerFan how

[@kingofdemons948]

Not even 4d at most 4-A

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

​@@BillCipherandFreddyKreugerFan who is that?

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

​@@kingofdemons948 that's downplay

[@TJ-hg6op]

Collector would try to hug it out and then his skin would be warped and his eyes would be replaced.

[@ez9566]

While Bill can Control space and time, we still know that the collector can also warp/programm reality to build and destroy, and his pocket dimensions would be outside the control of bill. While the only other collector seen trapped the owlbeast and wasnt that dangerous, their entire point is that they dont interfere, but if they do they are seen as gods. The point is, that the collector can teleport and warp reality while bill can only inflict his will locally and only after a while on a universe length scale. With the knowledge on how to be trapped and freed by titans, the collector could find out about bills weaknesses and hide in other realmas indefinately, dragging out the battle until bill can travel there with his projection abilities

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

Bill Beyond negg diff

[@FishPeels]

i do think the collector wouldn't win but that leaves the question of the archivists (his brothers) who DID take down titans despite being weak to them as we may never know how powerful they are (since it's easily assumed they're stronger)

[@Bag-man1870]

Anne Vs Luz in their strongest forms

[@Zesphir]

The issue I have with bill is that his powers rely on him to want to know for example his omnipotence rests on him to search for that knowledge like when he tried to remember Stan but he still solos current collecter

[@Lanafabulous]

and then there's me watching the video and giving my opinion 3 months after the release of the video HAHAHA Yes Bill will win because the collector is just a little child and an easy character to manipulate But is right to mention that the collector can make themself larger than the planets and I think older they are bigger them can become when using this power, also because in for the future was a picture where collector and archivists were seen in comparison with a planet, so i think that's another collector's power Let me know your opinions about that, i'm curious ;)

[@dylanbouffard5437]

Okay... I'm on the fence here. I would LOVE for the collector to win. he might, but probably not... But I say that's because of two things... morality, and desire. The collector did not want to hurt or kill anyone! he just wanted friends. so we have no idea what he would have done if he wanted bloody murder. Plus, He was probably at a slight disadvantage because he was on a literal titan. that made up an island made of titan magic. he might have been weakened that way. And, he's just a child. Imagine what he could do if he was older. Imagine what the archivists could do! So I would absolutely love for the collector to win, but unless he REALLY wants to KILL Bill Cypher, he might have a lower chance of winning.

[@JustDoingReviews]

Bill easily wins I mean he destroyed the 2D world which could be a multiverse like the 3D world or it could be just one universe but either option are feats way more powerful than any feat the Collector has done especially if you take in count that he also killed time baby and kill his entire race which are all dream demons like him. Ps: Time Baby is the person who control time and like Bill said after he killed Time Baby making him have the powerful of all of time, space, and reality

[@tdog703]

In the lore from book 3 it dose that he would have destroyed the multiverse and timelines with are 5D and the nightmare realm is a 5D place StanFord did say when he was on his adventure and if he was unbound he would have been on the same level of 7D and 11D being with where afraid of Bill's power, And best to look up Bill vs Dimentio he dose a good job talking about what they can both do

[@Beansssssszzzzz]

Mostly people who know the collector and bill I’ve never seen people who know the collector said it’s impossible to win and I mean like in gravity falls they said if he gets physical form all hope is lost so idk if that’s relevant

[@nickmilano2516]

Both the collecter and bill probably have the same amount of power, but with different weaknesses

[@Ice_loaf]

so since when was reality manipulation equal to destroying an entire dimension?

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

honestly bill will just win by gaslighting the collector

[@ahmadfaizayyash]

Bill also didnt even die when stanford used the memory eraser gun on stanley, in the cypher statue hunt, One of the rewards for finding the statue was an early version of journal 3, the last page was a drawing of stan and the other main characters, but under blacklight bill is beside stand saying " stay Aware! ", and also because stanley could remember even though when he was supposedly " memory erased " that could mean bill could be back too, so im not sure the collector can beat bill..

[@griffcrit9905]

I saw a comment saying that Bill could easily be defeated by a laser, and I think there's a misconception. No hate to the commenter, I'm just saying this comment to actually give more insight into Bill's potential and, well, himself. The gun Ford made was not a laser rifle, but actually a quantum destabilizer, aka a literal one shot ray gun Theoretically speaking, this is a device that does more than just destroying you, it literally wipes your existence from all of existence And when I mean all, I mean up to all 10-11 dimensions. The science behind it seems to be that of, well, destabilizing your quantum existence, neutralizing it to 11d energy and quantum foam And when I mean dimensions, I do not mean the misconception of alternative realities, I literally mean higher dimensions. Bill not only lives in the Nightmare realm, aka the 11d, aka absolute neutral, he has pretty much COMPLETE control over it. I say this because not only is this confirmed, we literally see it in the show. Ford said killing Bill, or at least pushing him back out and closing it, would reverse all of the Nightmare realm entering into our world. When Bill died (and was in his mental form by the way, keep in mind) by the memory eraser gun, all of the NR was indeed sucked back out. For those who might suggest if Bill was of higher dimension, why didn't he just enter on his own? Well, the 11d is not exactly acceptable from that side, since it's not exactly just a higher dimension, but absolute zero of ALL of existence. Think of it as if the other dimensions were that of paper buildings, up into 10d shapes (which in our 3d world is impossible but I digress for the example), the 11d would be the paper holding it. In other words, 10 d and technically 'up' is made of that of the 11d, only effected by absolute 10d time I call it. The 11d is basically if all of the rules of all existence, 1-10, did not exist. I think Bill was unable to do this on his own was because he he was literally in that of a state of zero, and thus why he needed an actual portal from existence (a portal that is literally opening the gap between our universe and absolute zero existence and rules) since scientifically he is literally unable to get into our reality otherwise. The fact he was able to keep the rift open is literally near that of actual physics defying, to the point it might even be bordering that beyond that, a literal impossible realm. That said, I could be wrong, all of this was theoretical, from most of the physics to Bill's capabilities, but it all seems to check out. I did my research on Bill and it seems this is it. Again, not telling the dude who mentioned laser guns that they're an idiot, I'm just using the quantum destabilizer as his ultimate feat per say. If they didn't mention it, I wouldn't have remembered, so thank you.

[@griffcrit9905]

Alright, I said some of that just for dramatic effect That said, though, it's at least 10th dimensional unless it really does neutralize all momentum of 10d and brings it back down to 11

[@oogaboogaman69-cw9nn]

do not forget that bill destroyed his own dimension by setting the whole sky on fire so he could show the 2D people the sky

[@HappyAtom-yk7ql]

Remember this is a year before the book came out

[@Auserthatexists]

@@HappyAtom-yk7qlremember it was confirmed bill destroyed his dimension before the book came out

[@Ritzy_Kuza]

The archives is way bigger than the mystery shack in my opinion

[@RegalWaterm3lon]

Now this is a fight if watch

[@thatbadvoiceactor9763]

7:10 NAH THAT MADE ME LAUGH

[@ttacoolol5997]

collector had like 3 episodes, this isnt fair 😋😋😋

[@ErichoTTA]

Love to see a crossover and throw in "Star Vs. The Forces Of Evil" as well. Imagine how awesome it would be for Star to see how the destruction of magic affected the Boiling Isles and have her deal with it. Maybe Hekapoo could survive and reveal the magic could be brought back if three sets of lovers performed a ritual like the one attempted in the last episode of "Gravity Falls". We all know who those three couples would be.

[@Multibunny]

I say, it would possibly be an infinite tie if it was just The Collector vs Bill Cipher, no outaide help, no universal laws limiting their powers and all and all just their powers, strength and weaknesses, now if we went and said The Collector was told Bills weaknesses it would still be a tie because neither of them would be able to kill or neutralize the other, most likely, but maybe The Collector might give Bill the win after a while from boredom of fighting for so long or being tired, or even just feeling like it was wrong to fight someone. Or maybe he'd go full ham on Bill if he got informed about everything Bills has done and wants to do?

[@worldssmallestdestron7819]

Dimentio Vs. the Collector sounds pretty awesome.

[@Dr_Koe_8]

I have wondered this for years… Who would win the collector or Zora from Epithet erased?

[@pacol.4302]

Let's put it into perspective here. Pinning The Collector against Bill Cipher is like sending Hawkeye to take care of Thanos.

[@No.1ByakuyaFan_AKA_Toko]

Its funny that some ppl are trying to make an argument that the collector could win

[@BetterbowI]

fr

[@lizzy_simps]

The collector: i want some puppets Bill cypher: i want CHOAS AND DESTRUCTION

[@NintendoMeister2260]

Considering Collector was able to move the moon with little to no effort that could mean he’s stronger than the Core in its moon form.

[@JayCamm]

Ok, here is how the fight goes: Bill, and The Collector enter the arena, looking at each other with a blank expression. Bill, and The Collector levitate over to each other, and Bill puts on an act. "Hey there kiddo! Look, I'm not looking for trouble. How about we be friends In stead of fighting, hell we might get along. Hell, maybe we don't need to try to overpower each other, I'll just take control of someone for you." Bill said. "Are you sure?" The Collector asked, skeptical of the floating 2D pyramid. "Sure, we can make it official. Just shake my hand." Bill said, putting out a hand burning in blue for a hand shake. "Ok, so who are you gonna control? We have an entire arena." The Collector asked, shaking Bill's hand. "Hmmmm... Let's see, enie menie minie... YOU!" Bill said, pulling the same possession trick from Dipper on The Collector. Now from here, Bill just needs to find a way to hurt The Collector's body. Bill wins. Of course, this is just how I see it going down, If anyone else has an idea of how it will go down, go on ahead, and say it.

[@GabrielRamirez-pr8qf]

Steven from Steven universe versus the collector, but on the other hand with Steven now that I think about it, Steven could just make a collector, a good guy

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

Before watching this i literally did not realize how similar the collector and bill actually were

[@GMoneyOrGavin]

I think one thing is collector is naturally born with others like him. Bill is a one of a kind above nature and reality type being.

[@M0CHA686]

Can you do Bill Chipher vs Q?

[@frankienerdyboy]

Remember the time Bill just destroyed earth in like 2 seconds by eating it