Dangerous Cavs, Knicks Struggles and More NBA Takeaway with Big Wos | The Bill Simmons Podcast

[@benjaminwerth]

Ty Jerome was already on the roster last season. He just was injured in the first game. Kenny didn't bring him there.

[@cousinchris5851]

22:27 Ty Jerome was on the Cavs last season but got injured in like the 2nd game and was out for the season. A weird high ankle sprain that strangely never got better.

[@MikeWazowskisBurner]

Bill, you gotta stop saying that Kenny Atkinson "brought Ty Jerome" with him to Cleveland. The Cavs signed Ty LAST off season, he just didn't play because he was hurt all year.

[@xIpyschoIx]

We have to give credit to the nba for their rules and cap changes. The fact that it literally hard to tank now is a product of those changes also the reason why the talent pool is so spread out 6:29.

[@Juno212]

Wos is the best man. Love group chat and all the stuff yall are doing!

[@MrRoboto99]

shout out to Larry sanders. I was like 12 years old on nba trade machine making trades on the daily for my Celtics to get him. man we needed rebounding so bad

[@joeb588]

As a Nets fan, I figured out pretty quickly after we got Bridges that his defense was overrated. He was better offensively than expected, at least for a bit, but defensively idk how he was ever in DPOY discussions.

[@AB-sw4kb]

he was good at Villanova and Phoenix. he said that he got everything off of cutting and watching the play. but he hasn't recommitted to defense since Phoenix. he admitted it a little bit but yeah he hasn't been like he used to

[@Shortballa11]

Tanking aint a real thing anymore because Detroit's sucked the last 3 years and comes away with the 5th pick every time.

[@larryrussell7430]

wasbud luck for Detroit bigtime. But they did really nice with Cade and Ivey, imo.

[@Shortballa11]

@@larryrussell7430 Cade doesnt count cuz he was the number 1. Bt I agree with Ivey, he just needed time to develop. But considering the last 3 number 1 picks have been Paolo, Wemby, and Zac Ris and the Pistons have Ivey, Ausar, and Ron Holland it shows how worthless tanking is.

[@Sbrabson04]

So much talent in todays league, coaching matters. A coach who can implement a system and players who buy in..Cavs, Warriors, OKC are evident of this

[@debas3d]

You need an owner like the Cavs that bribes the league office into the top pick.

[@David-iv6je]

It will always be a thing. Two words: Victor Wembanyama

[@quinngerlinger7347]

Big wos is actually so easy and reasonable to listen to

[@kevingeorge7843]

Straight up . He even stopped a woke liberal in their tracks when they tried to talk about American democracy. He told them democracy is the people’s voice and we have to respect it when we like it AND when we don’t like it. The woke lib guy was completely speechless after 😂

[@DorseyShaw]

Hell yeah Big Wos

[@Iamrxch3]

Bill finally starting to like KAT? Don't tell ya boy Russillo lol

[@David-iv6je]

Early days. Just wait for the dumbass fouls in the playoffs.

[@Cultivated.]

@@David-iv6je Literally the only mfker playing well on the Knicks, keep hating tho

[@LiftedMike]

Was not expecting the pod to open on the Bulls 🤯

[@ayrtonsenna4302]

Am i the only one who thinks wos doesn't bring much to these convos? Specially when he's with bill and even especially when van is there, it just feels like those two talk circles around wos, and wos 80% of the time is just reacting to a thought that was planted?

[@jtaco4101]

Yea he's a diversity guy

[@justindza]

He was fine here. Stop hating.

[@ryanearley8748]

Did not expect a reference to The Wrote God in this episode.

[@snarkmark2806]

Rusillo said that Townes defense at the rim is opponents making 28/32. That not an issue, it’s a disaster.

[@DavidDobrikAndNatalie]

Love Big Wos!

[@jamesfries4915]

19:14 Pretty much predicted the Brunson game winner to a T. Unreal

[@hybcgaming7442]

Love big Woz!

[@thomasmaddox1002]

Cavs winning it all fasho

[@rayyabdul2822]

First time listening to Wos. Sound solid big time. And with facts.

[@David-iv6je]

Been on The Ringer frequently. But I guess I never saw him on Simmons?

[@rayyabdul2822]

@David-iv6je ye sure...Bill shld bring him more often. We like mixed opinions. Kudos Bill S.

[@David-iv6je]

@@rayyabdul2822 Yeah I like him on the Ringer. He's a cool dude.

[@dearmas9068]

Wos has a LONG history of bad takes and arrogant DB-ery. Even if he's been humbled, I still don't need to hear much from him.

[@nocturne311]

@@dearmas9068Agreed.

[@davincidribbler7427]

The Bridges trade made sense for the Nova Knicks with insane chemistry and so on, but it makes no sense just for Bridges to be Bridges.

[@andrewbaker3855]

Wos with the Brew Watch on? You a watch guy Wos? Nice, different piece.

[@alifrombenhill3374]

Slow down Bill...let Wos finish his thoughts

[@thesportsfein]

A black media guy that never played professionally before wow! Rare sight to see

[@dave_407]

Sometimes you have a good co-host, and then sometimes you have Woz

[@EatingAmerica]

Bulls are 5-7 and play no defense, we stink!

[@adamdodds6293]

Bill just can’t help himself. Needs to bring up the Sixers every 5 minutes… meanwhile if it’s a team he likes that isn’t winning (Patriots) he will spin it into being excited about the future. Love Bill, but sometimes the biased takes are too much

[@rhlang11]

Giannis to the Mavs? Rumor has it.

[@aron.gortman]

lol that makes no sense.

[@rhlang11]

@@aron.gortman it does a little. D. Lively & Gafford plus 4 1sts. Milw is going under.

[@aron.gortman]

@@rhlang11 Luka and Giannis together? WTF

[@rhlang11]

@@aron.gortman ?

[@aron.gortman]

@@rhlang11 I just don't see that pairing working at all.

[@Diesel1226]

Been listening to Wos for years, this is my first time seeing what he looks like

[@tomcustis9272]

People killed embiid for saying that cos it’s a fuckin lie loool

[@PAB93]

All the Knicks need is Taj Gibson

[@UTube-gs1yf]

Is Wosney the son of Patrice O'Neal?? Sounds just like him with the intonation etc.

[@JuBangin]

Wosnyyyy

[@ilovewithcaution]

Finally someone brings up how weird it was for Vince to get his jersey in the rafters

[@michaelj9277]

It’s not weird at all. He literally built that franchise. He’s still their biggest star. It would be petty to hold that ending against him.

[@Cultivated.]

Still, the best player who’s been a real raptor, can’t really count Kawhi as a 1 year player, after 20 plus seasons? He should get it in the rafters

[@David-iv6je]

Exactly. How many times has a player completely quit on his team for so much time? It's the fundamental rule: you are getting paid, show up and do your job.

[@Weaponator18]

Even with how brutal Vince was in terms of quitting on the Raptors, he's at worst the third best player in the history of the franchise. So that's why he got his number retired.

[@David-iv6je]

@@Weaponator18 Wel...ok. There's something about me that just hates it. I accept demanding a trade as a manifestation of player empowerment. But simply quitting on the game is a crime against the game.Geez look at his 04-05 season splits between TOR and NJN. I don't think it should be rewarded.

[@killerk3431]

Wos is cool but House is better

[@adamcurtis7972]

I feel like they’re equally good but provide different experiences

[@youngzeus87]

Both are good and different

[@akhenchamp7325]

Wos is better quit bitching

[@nocturne311]

@@akhenchamp7325Wos sucks. Lol. He’s incredibly biased and lets his bias affect what should be more objective takes.

[@Ptkeela]

Bulls talk! Alright!

[@justakidfromthegutter9252]

Wos full of hot takes and nothing of substance

[@lintahpius1112]

Thank God Bridges refused the contract they gave him. At this point, Kuzman is better than him

[@SkiLILs]

"Too much talent in the league" Fraudulent stats you mean? The numbers are inflated for various reasons. Any scrub can get 20 points today

[@SchulzEricT]

When people talk about how role players are better now I think part of it is, as you call out, the rules have changed to allow scoring to be MUCH easier. But another part is that I *do* think they are better at fitting into a role now. I think there are a lot more role players these days that fit specific, useful roles. I think back in the '90s, role players were weirder, with skillsets that weren't necessarily the 3-and-D of today... which probably makes them "better" now (not overall better players, but easier to fit within a winning structure), although I appreciate how there was more variety in styles back in the day. Kinda reminds me of the NFL a bit: back in the early '00s, I think you could be a contender with a defensive identity, a run-first identity, OR a passing identity. Nowadays, you aren't really a true contender without an elite QB and the ability to hit big plays (unless you have Mahomes, then you don't necessarily need the latter). It's not "worse"... but it's kinda worse. (I don't even necessarily think we should go back, player safety should be prioritized... but I can also acknowledge that more homogeneity makes the game a bit less fun to watch.)

[@nolegoat4603]

Wos sucks

[@jasonp3717]

Priasing the 5-7 bulls but not the 5-8 is insane

[@joeldawriter]

wosss

[@pattyweston-mg8kz]

i hate this dude bruh

[@KwisBwown]

Elon Musk is the new Bill Gates 👀👀👀

[@KwisBwown]

Another fake hero billionaire parading as the saviour 👹

[@TitletownBoston]

Why does nobody mention the fact that the cavs have had a weak schedule so far? 9 outta their 13 wins came against teams with losing records

[@123wat456sea]

Because everyone else in the East, including the Celtics, have had similar schedules. The Cavs have just won more, and the teams that were supposed to be better have sucked. And it’s not like the world is lacking in national talking heads talking about the Celtics, Knicks, Sixers, Lakers and Warriors. The Celtics are 10-3 and they’ve only played one team (the 7-6 Magic) with a winning record - who should they be talking about?

[@Ckproduction03]

That’s half the league LOL. There’s barely any teams with winning records especially in the East

[@dearmas9068]

Because thats simply NOT true. The Cavs have NOT had a weak schedule. They've played several good team that are better than their record, and several good teams that have a good or great record. AND ON TOP OF THAT. The Cavs have STILL had the highestnumber of back to backs in the league. Again. THE MOST BACK TO BACKS OF ANY TEAM. Pay attention.

[@Where_Is_Her_Collarbone]

You Boston fans are so paranoid because you've been busting your head against the wall for 6 years and finally won one, now you see some legit competition and you're in panic mode.

[@nocturne311]

@@123wat456seaThe Celtics haven’t played the Magic yet.

[@JustiasFitzgeraldDwarfKing]

Why is anyone paying any of these athletes any of these contracts is what Im wondering. You simply aren't ever winning a title with Zach Levine. No. Ingram. No. Zion. No. Why pay them? What is the point? Why pay Joel Embiid? He's never going ro win you anything. The problem is that the size of these contracts outweighs the ability of the reipients to produce on the court. These contracts are championship sized contracts going to players that aren't good basketball players.

[@WheresWaldo05]

Lavine was the guy. Then they got DeRozan who tried to take that away from Lavine. Then Lavine was in trade rumors. Why wouldn't he have been sulking? Lavine is more Kobe than DeMar and i would rather have lavine go 1 v 1 at the end of games for a last second shot but DeMar kept doing it. I even saw times where Lavine was wide open for three but demar drove and rook contested mid rangers and would miss. Then lavine would immediately walk away. Even if he made them. It was not team friendly ball at all.

[@dearmas9068]

I really like LaVine, but hes a #2, and so is DeRozan.

[@SchulzEricT]

@@dearmas9068 Milwaukee should've gone after DeRozen, not Dame. (I think he could be a #1 scorer and closer on a contender, but #1 scorer isn't necessarily "best player", it just almost always is.) Or maybe LaVine?

[@dimitrijetucovic1307]

Big Wos, big thumbs down

[@Earl_E_Burd]

0 likes, 2 dislikes

[@dimitrijetucovic1307]

@@Earl_E_Burd my man

[@nikolakrstic8079]

he's a legend wym

[@KwisBwown]

You so racis bro bro

[@jhoe164]

if you dont like it why listen?

[@larryrussell7430]

I still dont buy Cleveland at all. They have faced some shit teams, and they have faced good teams that were missing KEY players (orlando, Bucks) and I still dont buy a double big front court and my turn your turn of mitchell and garland. They might well be a top 4 team in the east at the end of the season. but I dont think they leave the 2nd round at best. They meet a team like Orlando or Indiana or Philly in the 1st round they are done.

[@dearmas9068]

The Cavs schedule has been tougher than OKC. Tougher teams AND the Cavs have played the most back to backs of any team in the NBA. They have NOT had a weak schedule. You are wrong. Those teams aren't a threat to the Cavs, son. Cleveland is just as good as Boston right now. Today.

[@larryrussell7430]

@@dearmas9068 lol, Cavs played 2 good teams, Warriors and Lakers. hey have had a cushy schedule to start. If Cavs finish the season with 60 wins I will be shocked. SHOCKED. and sorry, son, Cavs are not on the Celtics level. lol. Thats crazy. Despite their record Cavs are not a top 6 team in the NBA and are a 2nd round out at best for them.

[@nocturne311]

@@dearmas9068Cleveland might be as good as Boston is without Porzingis but they aren’t going to be as good as a healthy Boston team is. Look at how many teams have started with a 10-0 record and how many of those teams ended up winning the title.

[@dearmas9068]

@@larryrussell7430 wrong again, son. Why don't any of you ever pay attention to whats really going on before you speak?... You really need to pipe down and educate yourself, son.

[@dearmas9068]

@@nocturne311 no, son. The Cavs fully healthy are just as good as the Celtics fully healthy. Right now. Today. And the Cavs arent even at their ceiling yet. Even if Boston does manage to win a series against the Cavs this year, that will be the LAST time.