INSURGENCY SANDSTORM vs INSURGENCY 2014 | Which Is Better? (Honest Review)

[@BillyEatWorld]

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[@humperdinckoglethorpe4180]

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[@teaser6089]

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[@mahdisuleiman4414]

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[@Kiiranov]

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[@xAnAngelOfDeathx]

Insurgency 2014 still has an active player base because: 1) it will run on a potato 2) it is dirt cheap 3) it is a great game I still play it and love it. I also play Sandstorm and enjoy that very much. They are 2 somewhat different games however, Sandstorm is more tactical in my opinion. Nice video BillEatWorld. Liked and subbed.

[@doomer604]

Sandstorm is casual af. I've put 1500 hours in Insurgency and only 100 hours in Sandstorm before I switched back. PVE improved a lot but PVP suffered. The maps are too big, you move too slow (even with no armor and low ammo, maybe this has to do with the scale of the maps), LMG's are basically worthless, and the removal of AP/HP bullets was a huge mistake. They should have tried to balance them a little bit more rather than do away with them all together. Now all someone has to do to survive gun fights is put on more armor and that takes away from the quick and violent nature of the game. Plus, commander and observer should only be in coop because it's too hard to balance. Also, the optimization of Sandstorm is complete trash. It doesn't matter if the game looks better than its predecessor. If it can't run well, it's not going to be a pleasant experience. I know the game has probably been updated a lot since the last time I played it but I will agree that Insurgency 2014 and Insurgency Sandstorm are two different games. However, Sandstorm is not by any means more tactical and is a worse game overall. Side Note: The voice actors are bad too. Bring back Mikee lol

[@omar_b_here]

@@doomer604 +1 sandstorm feels like a slow arcade shooter. The original insurgency had a lot more tactical elements

[@matt.dufault9966]

The Giggler you just explained why it’s more tactical lol. He never claimed it was better. But u did just prove his point. You walk slower, less ammo, coordination being mandatory cuz of observers and commanders. No overpowered AP/HP bullets, maps bigger meaning more areas to be shot from. Your really doing the opposite of helping your case. Also optimization has been greatly improved and the game is known for its realistic sound design and gruesome and realistic death sounds which is all thanks to the amazing voice acting. The game is even more violent not less due to the increase in gore and blood. You got some very strange opinions sir, especially when you try to back them up and you just end up contradicting yourself with everything u say. Only the optimization part is debatable and everything else is up to preference.

[@ninjafrozr8809]

@@matt.dufault9966 exactly, the voice acting is really good and Sandstorm is absolutely more tactical. The game runs very well for me but i do have a high end pc. And the bigger and more detailed maps make the game so much more immersive and hard that when you make an amazing play you really feel like you've achieved something important.

[@milkbredAPEX]

The insurgency 2014 version is all about "thonking" people. You grab a grenade launcher and you win the game by proning in a corner

[@jibb1451]

I have put hundreds of hours into both games, and honestly: I love the way Sandstorm LOOKS, but I love the way the first Insurgency PLAYS. The first game had a more snappy, unrelenting time to kill, where even lower end rifle fire from AK's still posed a serious lethal threat. In the first game, getting shot once or twice from just about any primary weapon would rip you apart which always felt more realistic to me, as the odds are 99% of terrorist fighters are barely rich enough to afford shoes let alone decked out plate carriers with AR500 steel plates in them, and even our own US troops are usually issued with little more than Ceramic inserts with Kevlar backers, which are ruined after being shot once or twice, if not just once from an intermediate rifle cartridge like the 5.56 from an M4 or the 7.62x39 from an AKM. The first game had this sort of smooth floaty movement that lent itself to allowing you to just focus on engaging the enemy, and didn't bother you with animations for everything. Its hud was just about barren. The first game cut out all the fat that has built on the side of modern shooters, and distilled the essence of what makes conflict tense into a palatable, yet simple, cocktail that I still play over Sandstorm to this day. I only play Sandstorm for the Coop, and even then it just feels, off. Sandstorm feels like a Blockbuster experience, the OG Insurgency felt more surgical, gritty, and realistic. The first felt like it was made by someone who had seen some shit. The second felt like it was forced to try and be more 'relevant' to the FPS genre.

[@henrywalton5967]

Just can't beat the gameplay

[@themandude2]

Insurgency 2014 is a actually the second ins game. First is insurgency modern infantry combat (dead game) Second is insurgency (best game) Third is sandstorm, which sadly, is not what anyone wanted out of new world interactive..

[@JoaoCarlos-kh7pn]

I think that insurgency modern infantry combat felt even more real it's like with eavry new insurgency things get more casual, sandstorm feels more like a call of duty to me

[@giftzwerg7345]

yea you could use single fire on any rifle if you equipped ap bullets

[@barbarossa9591]

Is killing took more bullets in Sandstorm? If it is then it is a bad decision, because being able to kill so easily like in real life was really fun and different from other games.

[@themandude2]

ins 2014 is one of the greatest fps ever made

[@stoneyq4259]

Sandstorm is only getting worse as it ages... Each update makes things more streamlined. In domination they have everyone playing as fragger. Why have classes if your not gonna stick with it?

[@georgyzhukov6409]

@@stoneyq4259 nah sandstorm is awesome

[@drMINDdamage]

True

[@sammylammy996]

we need a remake of 2014 ins but with up to date graphics, and maybe a couple gameplay things from sandstorm like jumping on grenades

[@TheCommandant-wb9tv]

@@stoneyq4259 nah that’s not really a problem I come across with. What I don’t like personally is the genetic cosmetics they add. I don’t like how they added some skins to guns, or the genetic operator clothings that look like they were ported from COD Mobile. I want them to stick to the realistic based visualization. Whenever I see genetic skinned red tiger camo Insurgents during CO-OP, with those stupid looking skull masks, they just make me gag cause it’s just soo wrecking to the terroristic insurgents vs military based visualization in a realistic viewpoint. Just nasty.

[@aleccross3535]

Insurgency will always have a special place in my heart. Before I got it, I had no idea what it is and only had a few minutes of youtube previews. But it was on sale and cost only a dollar. So I bought it, played it, understood it, loved it. Fast forward to nearly 1400 hours of game time, its THE best game I have ever played. Its a different kind of fps with the feeling of maxing you out with how capable you are in (virtual) close quarters combat. It tests your strategy, tactical proficiency, critical thinking, reflexes, and a general sense of knowing what to do in a combat. The game heavily relies on teamwork, which may or may not be present in every server and community; but you can still change the course of the fight. Squad roles are vital but situation dependent. You're no use sniping in a close quarter map like Tell anyways but what the hell. You have a wide variety of arsenal to choose which is another plus one in the game. You don't have to unlock anything. But you have to play your part still. With its unique and complex gameplay mechanics, people will either hate it or love it. Honestly, I love it. No kill cams, killfeeds, very minimalistic HUD with no ammo counter, as well as nearly realistic damage counter. Every step you take in the game you know you'll always be an easy kill. That induces fear to me even as a veteran player already. And that is why Insurgency will always be the best game I can ever play. Its a shame that the game isn't as big as it used to be. But to whoever still plays the game, thank you.

[@ramazanuyar3958]

I've played both, and i think you are right somehow. Though I would say that sandstorm Is better than the original

[@nmot97]

Insurgency is my favourite game. I played a lot of insurgency mod too, I love it but sadly no one is playing it now

[@Yannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

@Jonah Bot and what? You want to say that it is better that insurgency? Lol, they are even different types of fps shooters, they have different gameplay and idea. Tarkov is for campers, insurgency for rushers.

[@Yannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

@Jonah Bot for me it's boring, this is because I like insurgency

[@Sinsanatis]

1400hrs huh. in that case, what do u think of sandstorm?

[@voodoo300]

I think once they release mods and workshop, night maps, etc, the game will be in a much better position. 2020 hopefully will be a great year for Sandstorm.

[@ElZilchoYo]

There should be a sandstorm feature.

[@teaser6089]

I hope so too!

[@cthulhu06]

I just hope they stop adding arcadey gamemodes like domination.

[@ICE-nr1ti]

some weather and day/morning/night would be nice to change up the pace as well since shadows and visibility would change.

[@CinemaFX_35]

I need weapons on back

[@haloguylevi]

Lmao “insurgency is coming to console in a few months”

[@danielmarsden4573]

One year later, and it's still only a few months away

[@flowerpower003]

Your profile pic makes your comment so much better

[@bingobangobongo3778]

Lmao

[@gabrielwee2853]

and where the hell is the campaign too

[@bingobangobongo3778]

@@gabrielwee2853 they canned it for the same reason Battlefield canned theirs. The focus is the multiplayer so that's where all the resources will go.

[@dud5606]

To me the overall gameplay systems have improved a lot in Sandstorm but the dodgy map design really ruins the game for me. The new maps have no flow and are needlessly complicated and large. Theres no point to it and its clear theyre not fit for all gamemodes because of those random out of bounds sections that seem to come up in very weird places.

[@АртемБогданов-н8и]

2014 Insurgensy top game

[@saveriannathan1415]

Sinjar: "ayy lmao"

[@egehk7631]

Chairs are nade proof yeah best game

[@marksmanmax1158]

@@egehk7631 You say this like chairs in Sandstorm aren't lmao. Random objects in Sandstorm really seem to reduce the damage potential of anything trying to fire through it. Even wooden doors drastically lower the damage of most weapons.

[@cuppedcup]

Sandstorm better

[@bouttobreak12]

@@marksmanmax1158 WOODEN DOORS?

[@sammylammy996]

I just got insurgency 2014 recently, and it's the only fps that I've actually had to duck behind cover to not get hit, and when there are 2 people left on each team, you can't tell where they are because no bullshit minimap. You have to peak around every corner while being extremely cautious, and it honestly reminds me of paintball/airsoft

[@yarilolz]

" why haven't they switched?" Well money is one thing.

[@mariolis]

Well ... yes

[@ethankral3215]

thats literally his first point

[@MrSourceMan]

Sandstorm is also ass.

[@AngryB4ker]

Sandstorm is "good" but its gunplay is still nowhere on the level of INS'. I don't think it will ever be on the same level. Sandstorm is just "OK," INS 2014 is legendary.

[@gangatalishis]

never in my life have I heard someone refer to the years 2000-2009 with "twenty-o-___"

[@r011ing_thunder6]

I say it like that lol

[@Kylemathews1]

@@r011ing_thunder6 weirdo

[@r011ing_thunder6]

@@Kylemathews1 thank you

[@MrTriple3D]

@@Kylemathews1 it ain't weird if most people say it

[@MrTriple3D]

@Masturbation Toothbrush you must live in a different universe then mate

[@omegasquadfrisk6397]

One's a good hardcore shooter, while the other is a more "casual" approach to it. Most players want to get top frags, so Sandstorm caters more to the competitive style of play by decreasing the supression effect and making you character run considerably faster.

[@sergioaguis]

Whats the hardcore one ?

[@omegasquadfrisk6397]

Sergio Aguilar 2014 Insurgency was. Sandstorm feels too arcadey, the weapon recoil was decreased, and you run faster even with a heavy kit on. Their shift to a more competitive shooter was probably the cause for the compromise.

[@rdowg]

I love how flip floppy NWI is for EVERYTHING. 80% of the features promised at some point arent being followed up on because they needed a sales boost and pulled the trigger on a "full release", 1.14 killed every MP mode other than push for the longest time, skirmish was mishandled so badly it astounds me to this day, "We need to focus on competitive!" Is now "we need to tone down the recoil because of new players! Not because we're hemorrhaging players and need to bring in kids from Christmas sales!". Fucking christ, the sudden "we need to focus on comp" while the game didnt have a player base for it was one of the biggest signs that they dont know what they're doing, and now they're changing the game to directly contradict that statement, what the fuck is even happening to this game anymore? Are we to expect another 10fps increase before they drop optimizations to start shoveling out more terribly designed maps when the playercount hits 1k again? I love this game, but holy shit NWI needs to figure out what this game is supposed to be, every game mode plays like it's own game because the maps are so inconsistent.

[@HanKyeolYoon]

Frontline is at least a great addition. Actually the only good mode. Push is garbage and Skirmish isn't suitable for these big maps. I don't know why they just cut off each 1/3 of the maps and make it skirmish. Then there will be simply 3x more maps to play

[@AyedYoutube]

@@HanKyeolYoon Skirmish is just firefight without the weapon caches, which are never actually defended and destroyed within seconds into the match.

[@HanKyeolYoon]

@@AyedKZbin at least there are several waves which make the game quite more tactical. firefight on the other hand is a meh with just a instant spawn waves on capturing only, which is very often rewarding too much for specific moments. And this makes the firefight not shooter competitive but intelligence/gamble competitive.

[@alanjrsmith]

yup and the fact that they advertise it as hardcore shooter but slowly add in casual mechanics. Basically screwing us alpha testers who pre-order and played for 2 years for a actual hardcore shooter experience.

[@Kaosad69]

It is great that insurgency 2014 still has a player base, as sandstorm is not as good. When I started playing insurgency about 5 years ago it was hands down the best FPS on steam. You used to get kicked from servers for spawn killing, team flashing and not pushing objectives. What this resulted in was some of the best matches ever. Sadly that community is largely gone, but it is still great fun.

[@ElZilchoYo]

Honestly they're really similar. I play Insurgency 2014 on my laptop when im away from home, and i play Sandstorm on my gaming PC at home, besides graphics and customisation everything just crosses over. 2014 is great for people who only have older computers or laptops and still want to play this type of game.

[@timlee7636]

Honestly I’ve played both quite a bit and feel like they play like completely different games. While they do still have that quick time to kill and more realistic feel with the core features they handle completely differently. Insurgency 2014 shooting feels much more snappy and instant while shooting in sandstorm feels more clunky and takes much more to kill an enemy. Don’t get me wrong I still love playing both but sandstorm feels less like a sequel and a completely different game.

[@marksmanmax1158]

​@@timlee7636 "Insurgency 2014 shooting feels much more snappy and instant while shooting in sandstorm feels more clunky and takes much more to kill an enemy. Don’t get me wrong I still love playing both but sandstorm feels less like a sequel and a completely different game." ^^ This. Sandstorm feels like Battlefield 4 after I started playing Insurgency 2014/Insurgency: Source again. It's almost a completely different experience. Pistols would one-shot someone in Ins2014 with an arm shot and the SCAR-H won't one-shot an enemy to the chest in Sandstorm, even if he has no armor at all.

[@ElZilchoYo]

@@timlee7636 You're right but it still feels like the same game on different systems to me. The snappiness of 2014 is the source engine. In any case Sandstorm feels snappy as hell if you just finished a round of Squad.

[@ElZilchoYo]

@@marksmanmax1158 The Scar H is definitely a 1 shot to the chest in SS, what i particularly love in it is how you can really feel the difference between calibres.

[@marksmanmax1158]

@@ElZilchoYo Is it? Might have to run tests again but it wasn't the case four months ago lmao. The only real difference caliber-wise happens with battle rifles and marksman/sniper rifle calibers. Anything under that has virtually the same shots to kill across the board.

[@dominikajducic5858]

The OG Insurgency has a better feel to it, the weapons, combat, movement... It just feels welcoming, without feeling like a casual fps. It also runs way better and is more focused on objective capturing (and yes, I'm very biased)

[@darraghd9904]

I'd say Sandstorm has a broader target demographic being way more colourful and such.

[@dominikajducic5858]

@@darraghd9904 I agree, but it's trying too much to be like all the other mainstream games (the devs have to make money, I understand that). Insurgency 2014 has the true Insurgency feel to it, and that's why I like it

[@THEODSTKING117]

Man I’ve been debating on buying this game but just ended up reinstalling insurgency. Game rules man

[@dominikajducic5858]

@@THEODSTKING117 I have played both (sandstorm a bit less successfully because of device limitations, but still enough) and I highly prefer the old Insurgency. The community is way better, there's always active full servers, and all the other reasons i stated. Insurgency is god

[@jileel]

The original feels really good. Ive been picking it up recently. The graphics and the overall appearance of the game is great. Some of the audio is really good too. Like hearing grunts and groans during the fighting.

[@Blobtheblobfish]

I've been playing Insurgency sandstorm more recently as they fixed a lot of the performance bugs. It's definitely in better shape now compared to launch, but I feel like I still enjoyed the old Insurgency more. The gunplay is solid but what I think is missing is the quality of the maps. Anyone else think the maps are subpar? Like I wish they just ported all the old maps at this point.

[@royops5719]

I prefer the original insurgency more. I think insurgency sandstorm is just to complicated and I prefer the og interface and how simple it is, not to mention the mod support

[@matt.dufault9966]

8:19 I actually found the guns in 2014 Insurgency to be way easier to handle. I was a beast at Insurgency 2014 but when I made the switch to Sandstorm I did terrible due to my inability to handle the recoil. Idk how much it has been tweaked as I’m talking about the launch of sandstorm but I found the recoil was much higher in sandstorm compared to 2014

[@Yannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

Same to me dude

[@seanmagnusson2581]

More than just recoil, the new gameplay is clunkier genuinely less smooth. I had the same thing but it's definitely not just recoil.

[@matt.dufault9966]

Sean Magnusson I don’t find the gameplay is clunky at all. I’ve kinda just come to the conclusion that the maps are more long range and it’s harder to control recoil at distance cuz I mostly play Push and it’s always just long lanes between you and your enemies.

[@findorbed]

The maps in Sandstorm are too restricted in a way that makes flanking almost impossible. *Running 5m behind objective* "RESTRICTED AREA YOU CANNOT USE YOUR WEAPON AFTER A FEW SECONDS." I mean the game is great, maps are decent but the restriction is what ruins this game for me. It's like a game of airsoft where you're not allowed to go in to the neighbors yard.

[@JoMiMi_h]

That's only on Precinct and IIRC Ministry

[@BasedMan]

Beats getting spawncamping with an RPG or C4 I know, I play both. Personally, I have over 1300 hours with 2014s, but I also really like the 7 or so of sandstorm. The sounds, death animations and good ol 50 cal make it for me, Sandstorm is just more gory. That being said, nothing the steam workshop cant fix for OG

[@kingcatlxix4573]

The 2014 title is probably the most addictive game out there, especially on the custom CO-OP servers

[@miiathelamia5616]

2019: a-10 is the only good thing 2014: everything is good

[@pizzaman11]

I hope they add increased recoil in the hardcore mode for sandstorm. My one gripe with the game is that most guns feel kinda samey, due to them all being sprayable

[@voodoo300]

It was increased in one the betas and I think at the launch, then people complained about it so they reverted it back.

[@cthulhu06]

And they want to add more a more ARs instead of game-changing weapons or accesories. Dumb decision NWI.

[@ramiere1412]

It's high though

[@FOXeye95]

irl smgs n shit are pretty easy to control so kinda makes sense

[@lenol0315]

RIP

[@gamma2816]

Ok look, I don't mean to be an elitist asshole here, but as much as I want their game to grow I really don't get why they are making it more "arcady". I mean wasn't the whole point of the game in the first place to move away from that? xD What's the point of making it more like the other games out there? Also to what extent will they do it? I mean if you get a wider audience and the majority becomes casuals (which they will eventually if you cater to them) you will eventually have to make the game like THEY want it to be for it to stay alive as the original people that liked it hardcore have left making it just another casual shooter aka the thing they wanted to move away from. Anyway as soon as the workshop gets released everyone will be happy so I am not complaining here, just stating the weirdness of it all. :P The moding community will make it ultra hardcore with some awesome mods I'm sure, so all we hardcore-tards have to do is wait. xD Speaking of nothing though I hope they add vaulting, nothing crazy, I just think it would be nice to get on top of things without crazy jumps. Then again maybe that would require a full map overhaul of all the maps as people would surely abuse it and find rooftop glitch spots. xDDD Yeyeye this is long enough, nice video though! :D Hope I didn't come off as salty or toxic, not my intention, just stating my opinion. ^^

[@yz249]

I personally find it a nice balance tbh. It's much more 'realistic' then battlefield and cod with TTK, no healing, no medics, suppression etc, but because it's not as sim like as games like Tarkov, Squad or HLL it means the game can be played at a lot faster pace while being easier to pick up for new players, but still takes enough difficulty to feel sim like and still hard to get quite good at. Just my opinion.

[@gamma2816]

@@yz249 Indeed! ^^ Like I said I am not an elitist asshole so I agree with you. I like it as it is, it's actually a bit harder now with the better bots as I haven't played since the bot upgrade, nice change! :) So you are right, I mean there are games out there for me Like Arma and Tarkov and Squad etc. so if I get bored I can just switch... guess i just wanted Sandstorm to be the ultimate sim because of how great of a game it is and how beautiful it is. But like I said, when moding comes out we can all do whatever we want and everyone will be happy. :P I just hope it doesn't split the community too hard down the middle making matches hard to find... but we'll see. :)

[@gamma2816]

@@Name-ly4nf Read the whole thing and I just don't know what to reply. xP But I agree it is indeed a nice touch with the Arabic lines etc. ^^ Again however I am not an elitist so I love the game now and loved it back in the day. Just stating some opinions but I will keep playing this awesome game no matter what. :P The community and gamplay are just too good to pass on so. :P

[@dogbadger]

The same happened with the Red Orchestra series of games (created in part by the guy who did insurgency) - the first one did everything it could to be as realistic as possible, and it became a go-to shooter for a dedicated and passionate following. It wasn't hugely successfull, but was remarkable enough that there was interest in the sequel - but it ended up falling short in many of the orginal fanbase's eyes as it relaxed the realism to broaden it's appeal. RO2, and the Tripwire shooters that followed it aren't terrible games, but they are more like merely a 'grown-up' COD, far from the orginal's uncompromisingly realistic feel that made you feel like you were playing something truly special.

[@gamma2816]

@@dogbadger Yee man... oh well... again we can always rely on mods I guess. Shame how some series/games change over time. :/

[@inaki.arambarri]

Bruh this video needs to be called: Bullying Insurgency 2014

[@enzowarren9832]

I play both Sandstorm and Insurgency 2014. I like the content (gun selection, attachments, maps) of Sandstorm, but I much prefer the gameplay, game modes, and weapon mechanics of Insurgency 2014 and I usually end up playing that over Sandstorm. I also much prefer the fact that in Insurgency 2014 I can actually find populated 32 player servers with ease, whereas in Sandstorm the quick-play matchmaking is the only reliable way to find a good game and the average match has only 10-16 players in it. The only populated servers in Sandstorm’s server browser are super-xp bot servers and arent fun at all. The gunplay in Sandstorm feels much closer to CoD or BF than in Insurgency 2014. Some guns like the AK are now 4-5 shot kills, the spawning mechanic now fosters a much less cohesive and more chaotic play style, and overall it just feels much less hardcore than the original. The bullet damage stats are very weird in Sandstorm, where both a .45 1911 and a .308 SCAR kill in the same amount of shots (2). It makes much less sense than in the original, where bullets seemed to have more realistic damage stats. I also dislike that they got rid of hollow point and armor piercing bullets as attachments. Those were awesome, and depending on someone’s habits they each had their place. The pistols now feel like complete pea shooters in sandstorm, where some 9mm pistols take 6-7 shots to kill. Same goes for certain rifles, where it can take 4-5 shots to kill. Recoil is another aspect that was made worse in Sandstorm. In the original insurgency I appreciated how the player has to actively bring the mouse downwards while firing in order to manually control the recoil. While no video game can accurately portray the feeling of firing a gun, Insurgency 2014 did one of the best jobs I’ve ever come across. The 1911 was an excellent example of this, and felt very immersive to use. The player had to really concentrate on controlling the gun, and it was very awesome. The exact opposite is true for Sandstorm, where the recoil feels much more generic and isn’t as powerful. The game seems to automatically re-center your sights much moreso than Insurgency 2014. I really wish they hadn’t done that. I prefer the manually-controlled recoil. Both Sandstorm and 2014 run perfectly for me, I’m surprised to hear Sandstorm has issues with that.

[@Swattii]

I know this comment is 3 years old but "some 9mm pistols take 6-7 shots to kill. Same goes for certain rifles, where it can take 4-5 shots to kill." It was never like that, even 3 years ago. Just seemed like you were a terrible shot.

[@johandebeer718]

"You can find a fairly good server that is full anywhere in the world" my ass in South Africa sadly not

[@foist101]

I loved PVP in INS 2014, but for some reason the only thing I play in Sandstorm is COOP (which is also more robust than 2014's). Nothing will ever replace the good old INS mod for me though. Modding for Sandstorm will probably be the tipping point for a lot of people.

[@Spartan-Of-Truth]

Since nobody wants to say it... if you take a game like 2007 Insurgency and turn it into a sandbox, fast-paced, run-and-gun shooter... there is going to literally be no value in it. Leave that shitty style to Call of Dooty.

[@andrewc1877]

a big reason most people play ins2014 is the low spec requirements and mods. try looking at the workshop, you can customize almost everything and make the game just how you like it, and it will all run smooth on 90% of computers

[@guy3nder529]

you forgot to mention 2014 has dual rendered scopes. with the amount of differences between the 2 i find that substantial.

[@eviltaptap]

so does sandstorm, it's an option in the setting, hidden for some reason but hey ho the more you know

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@eviltaptap i think he meant the fact that in the old game they force everybody to use it but in the new one it's an option. Most people would not want to turn it on on PVP as it puts them at a disadvantage so it preety much lowers the realism of the game, and also sandstorm is quite demanding to run so forcing that scope option would scare off quite a lot of players.

[@Glubbdubdrib]

3 years later, they still need to do optimizations.

[@ConnorMBanks]

I'd really have appreciated if the stayed consistent and allowed us to play via Linux.

[@PeTecko]

Insurgency veteran here. Started playing the original mod more than 10 years ago, logged hundreds of hours before the hour counting was even a thing on Steam, played it competetively, found an amazing clan, it's the game that even taught me to speak English with real people and even being this old game I still download it and play it from time to time. On the other hand 2014 game was a disappontment for me, played for around 100 hours and the only thing I really enjoyed was recreation of the oroginal maps from the mod. Sandstorm, despite running like shit even on my decent PC, is a different story for me. Maybe it is getting dumbed down for the new players, but damn it is so atmospheris and immersive. I gues that I will always remember seeing the suicide bomber for the first time (funny thing is, that most enjoyable part for me is playing with team against the hardcore bots), calling and seeing the BBBRRRRRRTTTTT and so on. If there was a choice in front of me which game (of these two newer ones) to pick, Sandstorm even with its flaws would be a perfect match

[@42ndsheep]

Interesting other differences: In 2014 the META (at least in comp circles) was iron sights always (unless using a sniper build). In Sandstorm this has changed to majority non-irons. I believe this is because Sandstorm has a different system for moving iron sights which causes the front sight to move more when you turn your weapon. In 2014 you always needed to get AP ammo, in Sandstorm it is not even an option, however it has had the interesting effect of making bolt actions actually viable over the battle rifles (FAL/L1A1/EBR) because the AP gives the bolt actions increased lethality over the other weapons, while in source it was statistically stupid to use a bolt action over a battle rifle. A change which I personally hate is that semi-auto is mostly useless in Sandstorm, while it was what was almost always used in 2014. This is because of the increased TTK in Sandstorm over 2014 and I think Sandstorm doesn't have single shot recoil quite right yet, so full auto can actually be more accurate for a double/triple tap in my experience.

[@Jim_JustGaming]

Eh, I don't mind single firing. Might just be me. I actually prefer the M16A4 more than all other weapons. Its a fun weapon to use.

[@marksmanmax1158]

You didn't really need AP ammo. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't mandatory. That being said, it made whatever weapon you were holding ridiculously strong, which might've been unhealthy from a balance perspective but tons of fun from a gameplay perspective because you could run whatever the hell you wanted to and still clean house. The main reason that I would run a bolt-action was supply cost. You have much less supply to work with in Ins2014, and 7x scopes were four supply by themselves. You also had higher penetration with AP in case you had to shoot through something. Battle rifles did completely outclass bolt-actions, but that came at the expense of the extra supply cost. Sandstorm's single-shot recoil is odd, and I've heard a lot of complaints about it. Semi-auto is far more useful in Ins2014. The M16A4 was actually kind of broken in the sense that it did more damage than other 5.56 weapons with AP equipped, allowing it to constantly one-shot Heavy Armor.

[@gvmartin8258]

I have played both and are great games but prefer the 2014 version purely because it does runs faster and smoother..

[@user-pi8pd9wc5y]

"- and you really want to play a hardcore FPS game like this" *proceeds to sprint everywhere and never peek like a casual*

[@mr.fragile8530]

anyone feeling that the control feels completely different between these two games? The movement, the aim, the recoil.

[@brandonsmith9045]

Insurgency 2014 had my favorite gamemode... Ambush! :D

[@sullybiker6520]

Popularity is the death of so many good things. See also Red Orchestra: Ostront vs. RO2's decidedly contemporary FPS mechanics. Insurgency 2014 Is something special, and I think was always pretty uncompromising.

[@ONIscrooge]

Played the free week for sandstorm, and I still think it's clunk factor 12. The visuals are nicer, but that is the sprinkles to the ice cream that make it hard for me tell what's a hidden tomato. I'd consider the switch more if the AI didn't still suck.

[@urik368]

I love sandstorm, its intense and fun, but the classic ins is still great, thanks to workshop and community

[@IJVMS]

Regarding the stuttering you seem to have in sandstorm in some of the clips, have you tried changing the texture streaming pool setting? This setting had a huge impact on my system.

[@Ripheart789]

Should've stuck with source. It plays the best, and it shows, since the top games in steam are all source games

[@righteousone8454]

Came back this week to play original Insurgency, and maaaaan it plays SO MUCH better than Sandstorm. That Unreal engine is heavy and unresponsive half the time. Hogs resources, even with my RTX 3070

[@hussamazzabi7911]

Happy i got insurgency 2014 for free when Sandstorm was released :D

[@tactaillike2]

Just to expand on the damage comparison: In Sandstorm, rifles (excluding battle rifles) are a 2-3 shot kill instead of a one shot kill (along with no stupid AP rounds upgrade). That has lead to more players using full-auto in Sandstorm. Oh yeah, armor is practically useless in the newer game. That being said though, I enjoy both games. They just have different feels.

[@voodoo300]

Armor helps you survive against explosives, pistol rounds, and some lower caliber sub machine guns. That's pretty much it.

[@marsmeadiuvat2439]

@@voodoo300 no, it also cost points and slows you down.

[@vogel8404]

idk but I feel armor is quite useful in sandstorm

[@marksmanmax1158]

Armor is pretty much useless. The downsides outweigh the positives of being able to survive an extra shot from roughly 13 weapons in the game, considering there's 40+ weapons in Sandstorm. It is useful in Coop for explosive and random f*cking wallbangs the AI love dishing out.

[@AndresLopez-sz5ml]

holy shit people are still playing 2007 Ins mod!!!??

[@stjepanbilic9748]

People still play cs1.6. XD

[@Darkforest127]

I played a match of insurgency 2014 got immediately rpgd in spawn. The enemy team then lobbed hundreds of grenades across map killing me again about 10 mins in i uninstalled. Sandstorm is better in everyway absolute masterpiece

[@righteousone8454]

Can we get more players playing the old game, this is the game where it all started, and it plays so much quicker, yet more relentless. Going back to the original after 4 year break, I realized I have missed how amazing the original was. In many ways (imo) 2014 version beats out Sandstorm. Unreal engine is sluggish, not very responsive, and it seems to lag your gameplay. Original Insurgency brings a smile to my face to this day. I highly recommend buying original one, and populating the servers. If you like PVP, it's amazing, and it feels like completely different game from Sandstorm, in a good and refreshing way. Cheers

[@RawDoggin_78]

they call the INS2014 more realistic and that sandstorm has too many problems don't get me started on INS2014 the absolutely fucking ridicilous fast running speed, the whole game being a rpg and grenade shitshow, weapons unrealistically one tapping you when there is NO WAY IN HELL happening, the horrendous spawncamping and spawntrapping... the game wasn't serious either; it was just a bunch of ARMA wannabe's trying their best commando impressions and halfass "tactically" talking and giving shit callouts, only to rage when they die and talk shit to the enemy after match ends. everyone is a dumb casual with bombs in their hands. for fucks sake just be a little self aware people.

[@ryansegura987]

I came from insurgency 14, i loved the tactical gameplay and pace of the game, intense. Limited Hud. I need a game fps shooter like this modern from a big studio gaming,something next level fidelity graphics like MW 19

[@pedersandy2037]

I think sandstorm can be better in the future, but cause of the lack of some customization and maps and nightmode, i find insurgency 2014 to be the better game

[@vale_recca]

How customization and maps is better on the source ?

[@pedersandy2037]

Glenn .P not better but less, there is technically more customization on sandstorm, but i still feel like its lackinh some things idk. And there is just way fever maps

[@noelschaible8663]

I have hundreds of hours in the original insurgency and I am still playing it from time to time. I was super exited for sandstorm and immediately picked it up after release. But i was really disapointed to be honest, in contrast to the point of this video that the movement wasnt that smooth i really missed the old movement and even more importantly the weapon handling. The combimation of these two gameplay aspects somehow worked extremely well for me. That combined with the game being extremely smooth (on top of that i have never experienced any lag in the old insugency) made for a incredible experience for me, i can always go back to insurgency and be back into the controlls in seconds, It just feels so good to me and resulted in me usually being on top of the scoreboard which i am absolutely not in other games. Sandstorm just doesnt have that. For me sandstorm feels clunky, the weapon handling and recoil feel off, it is still quite easy to get kills but it really feels terrible. Another aspekt is the realism and "hardcore playstile" i never felt like the old insurgency had either of those. Realistic hardcore shooters are games like: arma, squad, escape from tarkov etc. Insurgency (at least for me) was always the casual game with brilliant controls and great infantry combat. Just running and gunning was beautiful. Also the coop modes were really cool, mowing down hoardes of enemies and dropping them left and right, i loved it. Theres nothing hardcore or realistic about that, no communication or tactics are necessary and I prefer it this way. The half hearted attempt to put insurgemcy sandstorm into the hardcore genre of games with strange recoil, artillery and open maps that reward passive gameplay doesnt do it for me, at all. I would always pick the original insurgency over sandstorm for it is the game i can always go to and just have fun.

[@theronmiller6584]

I think I played in a game of insurgency with you once. You kicked me and my team's ass.

[@boogie5]

SOURCE ENGINE just FEELS so good! ....rip, until HL3!

[@fimmt684]

I must say I like the design of Sandstorm way more than the classic insurgency, however, what really kills it for me is that the game runs awfully. I mean, even in low settings and higher fps it’s still not smooth as it should be, and not to mention the stuttering... for now, I definitely stick with the 2014 version along with some mods, I prefer a solid performance that allows me to enjoy the game at its fullest.

[@glennhooker2762]

I finally feel like Sandstorm is where it should've been at launch, obviously not including the new weapons. Very few people say this game is dead but it's more like the hype is dead. The game was doing mediocre in the beginning and I hope they at least stay away from the game modes for now and focus on game-changing features and overall improvements.

[@shredgordon3240]

Everyone seems to forget that day of infamy even exists

[@theoldspiceguy7977]

As a pve player I found insurgency 2014 a tense, challenging, team oriented game that punishes you for your mistakes and carelessness while I found sandstorm pretty much unplayable with its aimbotting AI, smoke grenades not doing anything, server crashes, game crashes, hit reg issues, reloading issues, plus immersion breaking visual bugs. Floating gas masks and corpses t posing.

[@Corium1]

"Coming to console" lmao

[@Texan8005]

I still play 2014 because I think it will be easier to grab fun mods

[@SoupyRamp]

Sandstorm was alright until I got that dreaded menu bug. Still haven't been able to fix it. So been back to 2014 Insurgency, don't miss Sandstorm at all

[@jarodvaldivia6948]

Dude, how do you turn off that dark mode in insurgency gameplay? When i play it looks so damn dark and i can't see anything without a flash and my brightness set on max, how to make it look clearer?

[@rarefeline]

I love both. Played way more Insurgency 2014 though than I have with Sandstorm.

[@ryle_kittenhouse]

How many times will he say "Before we begin" "alright circling back to original question, but first" Im 5 minutes in and Im hearing this.

[@tristanpeterson8556]

the biggest thing keeping me( and probably many others) from making the switch to sandstorm is it yet to release for macs.

[@ace-e2i]

i still play insurgency 2014 cuz i don't have cash for sandstorm

[@KillaArmadilla]

I feel like weapons are harder to handle and clunkier in sandstorm than in 2014

[@lazuardi6661]

I legit haven't switch to sandstorm yet because all of these cool weapon mods. More and more servers use expanded armory mod that makes its fun, and it means more weapons, more nades, pistol, and it changed a lot of playing mechanism. And note this : Spawnkilling is easier on the original Insurgency and its fun lol

[@Baconbits16]

Good video, but needs an update to include new information. Sandstorm lowered recoil again, lowered graphics, and added a death cam & micro-transactions to further appeal to casual/console. It's changed considerably from the original vision. IMO pushing boundaries, highlighting gamer ownership, and portraying how games could be gradually transformed into something different, but similar. PUBG to Fortnite, Sandstorm to CoD hard mode.

[@mythicgaming2552]

I'm a former Insurgency 2014 pro player and Insurgency source just feels much better to me. Sandstorm is a completely different experience. I like how Sandstorm looks, but there is not nearly enough content to warrant the price of the game and the map design is horrible. It's also much easier to see enemies in Insurgency 2014 which is nice. Also Sandstorm's customization system and factions are dumb. All the combat dialogue makes it difficult to distinguish between friendlies and enemies.

[@barbarossa9591]

How is damage in Sandstorm compare to first game? Is it still took 2-3 bullets to kill or more?

[@mythicgaming2552]

@@barbarossa9591 slightly higher in Sandstorm, but not by much. In source every gun can be a 1 hit kill. In Sandstorm it's 2-3, but depends on the situation and of course there are still 1 hit kills with snipers and headshots.

[@funnysecksnumber6998]

i hope that they dont enable crossplay, and i also hope that console and pc goes different paths, and they increase that fucking recoil on pc, what the fuck is this a laser beam?

[@tarkov.shorts821]

this game is so super underrated.

[@CoffeeRampage]

I think 2014 Insurgency is great, Sandstorm really needs mod support. Also the maps are somewhat lackluster; I didn't find them nearly as enjoyable as 2014 Insurgency.

[@r4yker442]

I'm coming from the future! There is now official mod support! Maps, guns, addons etc. Etc.

[@VectorMonz]

The movement of Insurgency 2014 was way better. You could run and gun which made the gameplay more exciting.

[@daveh16]

Agreed, Sandstorm just feels soooo sluggish, like your character is literally moving in slow motion. And the maps have too much verticality in them.

[@WRoark]

To be fair I’ve seen pretty nutty grenade launcher line ups in 2014

[@ThreeProphets]

Sandstorm doesn't have mods yet

[@ahumanbeing9850]

i have been playing insurgency 2014 for about 6 months because my pc isn't good enough to run sandstorm and it uses linux one of the big details that i think were missed in this video is the player skill levels in insurgency 2014 i still do terrible against other players because almost all of them have thousends of hours in the game it's a big issue for a player like me

[@danpaunescu9302]

One of the only things i don't like about sandstorm is that they switched to longer range stuff, which makes attacking a nightmare

[@Wtf_Noodles]

Sandstorm has heavy memory leak issues and bad optimization, that's why I play 2014

[@matarada1510]

true

That only would be a bother when you have a shitty PC. I have no issues whatsoever with Sandstorm

[@rianfagundes9466]

@ "shitty pc"? You probably has high end pc gamer! Most of the users has a normal mid end pc gamer. You're an exception.

[@GreatHunters2]

A 2014 game on source!? Man, the graphics were amazing when I played it in 2015 on the source engine from 2004.

[@youraverageamerican7526]

I find the recoil of some of the firearms in sandstorm pretty accurate. Depending on the size of the round and the weight of the gun you're shooting really makes a difference. I have a 12 gauge that feels like a 410. and a 20 gauge that feels like a 12.

[@bons244]

If they improve old maps (by adding details, improving lighting) and then introduce new large scale maps in Ins2014 - I bet it will outperform Sandstorm. The game is just that good.

[@DopeFiend]

2014 felt more hardcore

[@Hey_Revolver]

I own both. To be honest, the 1st one is really way more fun to play than Sandstorm. The sequel just feels to casual, like nearing CoD level, so the fights aren't as intense as the 1st. If you were to buy just one, I'd say play the 1st, it is waaaaay better, plus it has workshop, so customize all you want. Inurgency 8.0, Sandstorm 7.0

[@LtActionCam]

I prefer to play the original insurgency over the sandstorm version. I love playing with people that want to work as a team. Unfortunately in sandstorm, I never got the vibe I was looking for.

[@biggestbog]

Sandstorm is just messy compared to the original in my opinion. The og is really fun and tactical but sandstorm just really feels unfinished to me

[@FROSTB4NE]

Was insurgency not way easier to control the recoil than sandstorms? I thought Insurgency had less kick but I haven’t played it in a long time so i can’t really remember too well.

[@weeschwee]

Yeah, I thought insurgency had easier gunplay. It may have more vertical recoil, but I think sandstorm added more horizontal recoil and weapon sway which is hugely exaggerated by the much larger level design. Overall insurgency feels better to me, bit some of that could be due to performance.

[@marksmanmax1158]

Generally speaking, Ins2014 weapons kick harder than Sandstorm weapons. The recoil is easier to control for LMGs and pistols, however, and probably also SMGs due to how SMGs are handled in Sandstorm (aka horizontal recoil out the ass). Horizontal recoil was in Ins2014 but it's hardly noticeable, really. Of course, the game also runs better, and contrary to what Billy said, I think Ins2014's movement is better than Sandstorm's. Vaulting in Sandstorm is debatably useful anyway since you can still crouch-jump most obstacles, and the whole inertia mechanic which basically causes you to slide around at max weight isn't in Ins2014. There's also more weapon sway in Sandstorm than Ins2014, and Focus is much stronger in Sandstorm.

[@keithprice7119]

I am still playing insurgency 2014 because I just feel zero reason to pay more to pretty much play the same game with slightly better graphics. I don't give a shit about XP and progression. If I want that I play COD or BF

[@artmax1998]

better graphics, but sus controls

[@potatoes5829]

And worse performance

[@TheCluelesshobo]

Your dude getting stuck on stuff in INS 2014 is not the fault of the source engine, its the fault of the map maker / model designer not apply clips and smoothing out areas you can get stuck on.

[@KhaosInductionCreator]

1 year ago: "Is actually going to be coming to consoles in the next few months" Now: "You were saying?"

[@squanchysquanch1840]

Just released on consoles last week 😉

[@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849]

I play regular sandstorm because it’s available on Mac. It is excellent.

[@robert4598]

9:48 What? This is wrong, sorry. The Sandstorm maps are waaay to crowded and restricted! 2014 Insurgency had the best Maps that did not feel like Rainbow Six Siege

[@walker_texas5143]

I love both games. I wish that Day of Infamy was more popular though

[@CEOofSleep]

I wish they slowed down the character speed in Sandstorm

[@nafis6668]

a deal breaker for me.

[@c4scompsmith]

Sandstorm makes many "quality of life" improvements, things that make the game nicer or more intuitive.