Bioshock Infinite is the WORST Bioshock... change my mind

Bioshock is an amazing series. However out of all the games, I think Bioshock Infinite is the worst one. It's still a good game, but the others I think are better.
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Bioshock is a series made by 2K Games, and is highly regarded. It has both futuristic and retro elements which were continued in Bioshock 2. Then in Bioshock Infinite, they flipped the theme around to make it bright and colorful with a new setting and characters.
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[@AshyGr33n]

Playing Bioshock Infinite is like ordering a nice steak but somehow receiving a roast chicken that's cooked with the same spices. Sure it's still delicious and tastes somewhat in the same vein of what I wanted, but it ain't quite what I had in mind when I ordered it.

[@HelloKolla]

Slightly disagree. On top of being different, it just has a bunch of objective issues that are bad on their own.

[@babasemka]

Oh, you didn't get what you expected? What a greek tragedy! What are we gonna do now?

[@nudapac]

@@babasemka i will find you

[@babasemka]

@@nudapac mmmmm-hm

[@nudapac]

@@babasemka and i will eat your shit

[@Suonynon]

Bioshock 1 and 2 taking place in an underwater city, to me, feels more unsettling than the bright sky aesthetic in Infinite. The dark green lighting and the dim environments look creepier tbh

[@faceless2302]

I'd say Rapture was also a lot more cool for me personally, I've always liked marine biology and ironically have a fear of big open water so it was really cool getting to explore the environments and see everything at the bottom of the ocean. The bathysphere section from 1 is probably my favorite videogame cinematic moment ever. Columbia by comparison just kinda takes place in a normal city (but in the sky)? Like there's no weird life or sense of being super out of place up there other than everyone hating you for no reason, if you just never looked down you could pretend you were on the ground the whole time. I would've liked to have seen maybe some giant birds or floating gas-filled jellyfish creatures or air whales or something that would've suggested a whole different ecosystem and way of life, something to remind you that you're in a fantasy setting.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

It could have been creepier and unsettling if they went with the Early Gameplay trailer version. With the crazed politician

[@jonaspete]

Bioshock 2 plot was pushing the limit already.

[@le2zruWtaR8DauQ3]

how tf is that an argument? it's in a different area doesnt mean it has to be unsettling all the time

[@degayify]

Bioshock Infinite is Bioshock for Redditors

[@unoriginalperson72]

Elizabeth fans

[@sanster0011]

No,

[@d4cto]

​@@sanster0011 yes

[@NeoAya]

...so Bioshock

[@mavhiro855]

YES

[@expiredmilk1809]

The convoluted plot, I could deal with, but the restriction to two guns, the regenerating shield and the campaign being presented as a roller-coaster experience were what convinced me that Infinite derived too much from its contemporaries for its own good.

[@joshuaingram571]

Don't forget the location based auto save.💔

[@vikinggamer7727]

I guess the restriction for 2 guns is to make it more realistic in how many guns you can carry...but, then again, what about holding a minigun and a shotgun, where would you put the other gun.

[@nightshroud9671]

I really hate it when most of a franchise lets you be a walking arsenal but suddenly in one game(usually their most recent game) goes "lol 2 weapons only" Its jarring, messes with the flow established and kills the fun. Max Payne is a prime example of that bs.(And Dead Space with 3 making it so you only have TWO weapons instead of four)

[@moss1w]

@@joshuaingram571THAT SHIT PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH

[@sakuratwister870]

@@nightshroud9671 The restriction of two weapons is meant to encourage players to use vigors, tears, sky-hook melee and sky-line attacks during gunfights. This actually made the game fun for me because it adds variety to the combat.

[@j.peters1222]

I enjoyed the story until the last hour or so. They just took it in a really weird direction at the end. The gameplay was alright but felt like a step back from the previous 2 entries.

[@JeffarryLounder]

Yeah honestly. I was following through with the story, trying to understand it as much as possible (even wracking my brain in some parts), but right before the ending, the game threw me for a total loop, and I was put into a state of sincere confusion. I felt like I was dreaming. I had no clue what was going on the entire time and I had to look up afterwards what the lore was for any of it. Overall the game nearly made me question my existence. 0/10 would not recommend another existential crisis. But the rest of the game was fun though.

[@WhiterunGuard50]

​@@JeffarryLounderEnding is also dumb that booker isnt the og one like remeber every small decision booker made created a new timeline example *Booker took a shit before getting baptized* this creates a new timeline where booker took it and it didnt.

[@jida8907]

If any of you followed Infinite's development, you'll know it got plagued by delays and rewrites. It's why the game is also all over the place and schizophrenic. Levine just kept changing his mind about the direction of the game, constantly thinking of something to add, something to change, something to remove and something to scrap and start all over. If it wasn't for the publisher forcing them to just release it after getting delayed for the 3rd time the game probably still won't be out. They also had to fire almost everyone in the dev team after that if you remember that news. One example is mentioned in the wikipedia page (the development of the game has it's separate page) where near the end of development he suddenly wanted to add a multiplayer mode and had a team work on that mode, but obviously there's no multiplayer in the game so they also scrapped that. There's also an interview with one of designer/art director who also worked on BS1, SS2 and the Thief games but had to quit and work on the Last of Us instead: >"The art team and level designers had been working on Finkton for a long time, with Wells directing the style. The inspiration was like the slums in Jamaica or Key West. All of the housing was wooden and colorful, as if painted by the residents to make the depressed quarters more livable. And each bright shack was stacked atop the next, climbing into the sky like an anthill, with the skyline piercing through it." >"Ken had been in level reviews numerous times. Then one day, the Finkton team was doing a play test, when Ken decided the entire stage was wrong. It looked like the residents lived in garbage. It needed to be beautiful, because Columbia was designed so that even the poor lived beautifully. It was all wrong. And it had to go." >"Wells was furious. Levine had been looking at this for months. In August of this year, Wells announced his new role as art director at Naughty Dog Studios." Amusingly, the actual slums area in the game (Shantytown, Finkton is the factory area) doesn't look like the beautiful colorful slums they're talking about so I guess he changed his mind again. Then there's also the DLC that changes the main game. In the main game they made both sides evil by the end, the Founders were basically the racist government and the Vox as soon as they start the revolution just went with killing everyone, not just the Founders, and even their leader Daisy threatening to kill some kids. But the DLC revealed she didn't actually want to kill the kids and the twins made her, so that Elizabeth can kill her for the plot. And the ending, where through some sci-fi quantum mumbojumbo they say that killing Booker in the baptism kills every single Booker/Comstock in every infinite timeline. Sure lets go with that and accept that this is how their parallel universes/many worlds works, All Comstocks should be dead at the cost of all Bookers being dead too right? Except one of them somehow still survives and is in Rapture in the DLC and Elizabeth wants to kill him. If there really are infinite timelines then there's probably infinite of these Bookers who also somehow survived in the same way. I don't think they even explained how he survived the supposedly "Kill all Bookers/Comstock" drowning. And I just don't like how they felt the need to shoehorn Elizabeth into Atlas and Jack's BS1 backstory by making her be the one responsible for letting Atlas know Jack's phrase.

[@frostbackup]

I remember when Infinite came out and every games "journalist" was tripping over each other to fellate it the hardest. It's a dumbed down version of Bioshock which was already a dumbed down version of System Shock 2.

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

Journalists are blown away at the most minimal attempt at storytelling. The Last of Us 2 is the biggest proof. The story is told the same way as the first, but they didn't care _what_ was told. And the poor chaps at IGN who actually reviews the story are few and fired eventually.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

And now, they make articles on why it's acshully raycist because of the Vox Populi. What's even funnier, is that they tried to say this was the SMART person's shooter.

[@Ignisan_66]

Basically the only thing Bioshock Infinite has common with the other two Bioshock games are the -plasmids- vigors. I played Infinite first, I liked it at first but then the story got so confusing and retarded that I stopped caring. And no, I'm not gonna watch 10 "story explained" videos just to understand that supposedly "profound" story. I'm done with Infinite. I recently played Bioshock 1 and it was so much better in pretty much every way.

[@gregorygranger6481]

Please stop saying the r word

[@77dris]

The plot was amazing, the best in the series. The people who find it "convoluted" just didn't have the brain power to understand it.

[@_j.e.m.s]

I wonder how people that played Infinite first then the other two games feel. Infinite always felt like it was missing a thing or two that would have made me love it as much as the first two games. But that could be because I was expecting more of direct sequel than a new story

[@Toro563]

That's because it's literally missing stuff So many stuff was cut down that looked really cool for reasons

[@stillth3sameg735]

I played infinite first ~2014, then tried 1 in 2016 but never finished it bc I made the mistake of trying to play it on a macbook pro lol… terrible experience. I’m playing 1 on the switch right now and its been great. I loved infinite, great story, graphics, and gameplay. 1 is very different and the darkness annoys me and strains my eyes… I honestly put them on equal footing (I’m at the part on Bioshock 1 where Tenenmbaum wants me to be a big daddy)

[@andreadangelo2299]

Allegedly it waas in development hell for a lot of time and what we have is something that was kind of cobbled together

[@Ignisan_66]

I played Infinite first then the other two games. I have to say the first two games are way better than Infinite. The third game is a convoluted mess.

[@stillth3sameg735]

Coming back to this now that I finished all 3 again on the switch: So after playing 1 and 2 and then 3, yeah there are definitely some glaring issues with 3 and the story is nowhere near as good. The play experience was kind of irritating, if anything. This contrasts sharply with my first time experience with Bioshock, where I played Infinite first then tried Bioshock 1 a couple years after that (and I loved Infinite, but hated Bioshock 1... interesting).

[@lechuzaarg2404]

IMO the main issue is that Infinite feels more like COD, unlike the original Bioshock wich comes from games like System Shock. Immersive Sims are reaaaaally cool when you get into it, and Bioshock was like a "light" version, that's why it became popular while keeping some elements. Infinite was design with "make it similar to modern games so it sells" in mind and yes, Bioshock 1 had the same issue during developement, but it still maintains it's ImSim roots. Also, personally, the concept of "objectivism" and Ayn Rand's philosophy are more interesting than Infinite's themes.

[@visionhawk4403]

I don't know. I found the "American Exceptionalism" and "Christian Supremacy" themes interesting. They're definitely opposite Rand's philosophy, so it was interesting, to me anyway, in exploring those differences. Especially after playing through all three and their DLCs back to back again recently. And then seeing that Elizabeth was there at the beginning on the plane just before Bioshock 1 took place in Burial at Sea 2

[@lechuzaarg2404]

​@@visionhawk4403 The extreme contrast of both themes is interesting tbh. Like making two games with opposite ideologies? Actually cool. But beyond that, I think Bioshock 1 is more interesting. Probably because I've never heard from Ayn Rand in other place or media, so it was foreign to me.

[@alef-0]

Bioshock 2 has the best gameplay for me, but it tried to do so much with tower defense missions and a experimental multiplayer. Just wish people played minerva's den and thought a little more about infinite plot with their head out of their asses.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

The problem I had when I first played it was that it didn't *feel* like a Bioshock game. The weapon variety and inventory being chopped down to 2, the majority of the vigors sucking aside from 4, the lack of creative ways to approach an enemy compared to the first 2, and that godforsaken ending.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

Bioshock Infinite reached for the sky, but ended up sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

[@LamWarp]

Ironic.

[@elizabethcomstock265]

@@LamWarp my game is the best

[@pickleman47]

3:03 I thought the boys of silence were pretty creepy when I first saw them. 4:29 I feel like objectively the plasmid wheel is easier to use cuz it froze time and needed one button. The plasmid in infinite are also very powerful, the desicion for less is because in 1 u would have a plasmid for hypnotising big daddies and making secruity turrets shoot enemies. In infinite you have possession which is essentially both combines into 1, also infinite has vigor traps and different ways to use them like undertow can grab enemies and pull them to you, return to senders 'trap' is essentially absorbing damage and then lets u throw all the bullets shot into you back at them as an orb which can be placed as a trap. U can also upgrade it so that while absorbing damage u can collect the ammo shot at you. just like u can upgrade charge to do explosive damage. The argument for guns can be made that in bioshocks 1 and 2 the games end up forcing you to use different weapons when u run out of ammo, in infinite it is much of the same except u have to pick up another weapon rather than already having it, also certain enemies dont user certain weapons and so you would need to choose what gun to use where, also liz can help u adapt a battle to how u want to play. I tended to go with one to deal with canon fodder and another for high damage but lower ammo. I feel like the ammo types were turned into the vox variations of the guns but it was not that well done. The story is honestly a bit overhated, 8:52 they take ur means of transport and say u can have it back once u help them, 9:02 they start shooting at you because in that universe when u appear Daisy says ur an imposter because Booker is dead and u can even find audiologs of the booker in that universe. 9:13 well liz gets captured by song bird and then u go to rescue her but then u end up going into a tear in the future where booker never saves her which is why she is old and she tells u that time rots everything and while its too late for her its not too late for the elizabeth in bookers world and so she sends him back with a letter for younger liz which is the song used to control the songbird. Which u end up killing because you lose the means to control him and because u destroyed the siphon in liz's tower shes now a interdimensional demigod that can go into other universes at will, which she does to kill songbird. Then afterwards liz find outs that despite u killing comstock there is still an infinite amount of comstocks in other universes, so shes like 'yo booker go back in time and kys' so they go to when booker makes the choice of becoming comstock or booker and drown him so comstock never existed in the first place because there is no booker in the past anymore. Tho i do agree the story is quite complex but once its understood its not that bad esp considering how it leads to the DLCs. great video tho, love to see videos on older games cuz theyre quite rare these days.

[@Zorrio]

literally got a tattoo from bioshock 1, this game impacted me so much, some of the best world building ive seen in gaming, they way u can just listen to audio logs to know what happened to certain places and when, or just the environmental story telling and all of that isnt even obligatory to progress, its just that interesting and fun to explore and I think more games should use their media to tell stories like that. Because even some of my friends who dont play single player games or care about stories loved bioshock 1, they were always checking around for audio logs or clues about what happened and so on, I was surprised to see them actually care like that. And I think its because bioshock uses its video game form as a strength to tell its story

[@OnionDude]

0:28 this reminds me of a *certain* game franchise , where u play as a nerdy ass scientist with a crowbar and an orange metal suit :):):)

[@tam_451]

lmao

[@d4cto]

Can't think of any games like that.

[@eureka_effect_gaming]

Hmm, the only game I can think from that is a game about portals and a psychopathic robot…

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

I thought pretty much everybody agreed that Infinite was the weakest Bioshock. Although I could see how someone might think it's the best if they were too young to play the first one or something and played Infinite first. Anyway I didn't think Infinite was terrible, or even bad... just really hard for anything to measure up to the bar set by the first one.

[@GLHVAlways]

Can someone explain how did Elizabeth end up on a plane with Jack if the plane came from surface, and why Atlas didn't know what is the activation phrase if he ordered brainwashing? It does not make sense that he does not what is the phrase if he ordered creation of it!

[@the3dotsguy...610]

I dont even want to compare the OG bioshock to infinite... They feel so different... Im glad they exist

[@Gruntvc]

I agree. I still remember to this day a Bioshock Infinite fan telling me that because I didn't think this one was a 10/10 Masterpiece and I'm gonna quote here. "I represent everything wrong with humanity and I should self delete myself." Wow... Today, they've morphed into toxic RE fans who blindly defend every single RE game as a 10/10 Masterpiece. At least now they just tell ya you're blinded by nostalgia if you don't agree with them. Progress.

[@thegreatnahwhaile]

in the original 2 bioshocks in the spirit of immersive sims the gameplay and story were pretty tightly interwoven. in infinite some parts of the gameplay flatout contradict the story. like if everyone in Columbus is extremely religious then there'd be no reason for them to genetically enhance themselves or for comstock to try and traverse different dimensions which are probably sins that god would look down apon i dunno

[@wolfiesworld9361]

As with everywhere in history, not everyone eats the company stew.

[@zoltanbojan8035]

@@wolfiesworld9361 yeah, but you would think the ultra religious zeals would do something about them. Tho there is nothing contradicting about Comstock travelling to different dimensions.

[@noice6421]

You can carry 4 weapons and select them through a menu, which i didn't know about during my 2 walkthroughs, also you can explain 8 plasmids instead of 11 in 1 and 2 with infinite's time period. It's like 40 years apart from the first game's story.

[@Seallussus]

First one was exploring the politics and ethics of it's themes and, huge plot twist, the story actually ended in the first game. That's why the second game is a "let down" it's more of a normal shooter. Straightforward and most of the story is mainly more of what we have in two. So. 1 made a story and effectively finished it, 2 explored a bit more and was fun. But the arc ended. There was little there. But they told their story. No need to keep squeezing it. Now comes infinite with exploring a couple of different things such as scientific....whatever the whole tear and timelines thing, but also the religion and slavery things. Family, loyalty, alternate timelines....etc So. It's telling a very different story. It's like a haunted house story and zombie survival story. Both are technically horror but it just feels wrong to compare both. I will admit that some thing in infinite made little to no sense story wise. And I did immensely enjoy the little sisters aspect to the first game. All are fun and can exist. If anything huge respect to the devs for making a new game and exploring new things. Now everyone just want to milk an ip dry with no room for artistic exploration.

[@Asuka.the.Perfectionistic]

bioshock infinite feels like a dream to me, it leave a deep impression but i can't recall much specific details

[@matthewhwang7496]

I just finished this game after playing it over the course of months and couldn’t agree more. Despite all of the game’s controversies, the world building and atmosphere is undoubtedly the best part. The ending is obviously a lot thrown at you at once, but since the first 3/4 of the game has little to no lore or sense of going anywhere, the last quarter is incredibly overwhelming . This is why I can walk away from this game being more appreciative of the physical beauty in the world (much like a dream) without caring too much about what happened within it

[@timexcape7961]

​@@matthewhwang7496 Its half nightmare though, some hideous characters. Half of the NPCs looked like bug people or Aliens. The other half were realistic.😂

[@coruscant100]

Aside from the messy story and mediocre writing, something I wasn't a fan of in Infinite was the change in atmosphere. In Rapture, you felt like you were deep beneath the sea. The water leaking, dripping, and the groaning of the buildings made you tense and worried that any moment the water would break through and you'd drown in the ocean. There was a sense of gloom and doom as you were wandering around a dark and derelict city on your own against a mob of insane people ready to kill you. You felt isolated and just wanted to get out any way you could. In Columbia, there's none of that. It's bright and sunny there all the time. I get that it's trying to make you feel like you're in Heaven, but it eliminates the gloom, dread, and fear that Rapture made you feel. You interact with normal people for parts of the game and even have an ally right by you, which takes away that feeling of isolation that you're on you're own. There's no real sense of danger or thinking something around the corner is going to get you. Columbia, while beautiful looking, doesn't hold a candle to the dread and gloominess that Rapture had.

[@FirebonE_88]

Oh, man, there's nothing to change. You were spot on. Decent game, but certainly no way near 1 and 2. Great video! Is the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series next on the list?

[@pennsy6755]

How hard was it to not mention Elizabeth’s reputation to addicts?

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

Elaborate, I'm autistic and don't get the joke

[@pennsy6755]

@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 answer me this, what have sfm/blender artists done to Elizabeth in the past 9-10 years?

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

@@pennsy6755 Ah, now I get it

[@_G3M5_]

@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 i still dont get it =( i dont watch weird fanart

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

@@_G3M5_ It's just porn

[@BattlewarPenguin]

Wait a minute, were they trying to expand Bioshock universe? With Ryan making his city for man in the ocean depths, Infinite for god and faith, and a third missing entry for Goverment and state?

[@LamWarp]

Probably. Though government and state would be something on the ground, and at that point, it would be too much like every other game. It's doesn't feel unique enough to be a Bioshock game IMO. I'm all for it though.

[@BattlewarPenguin]

@@LamWarp There will be a Bioshock movie by Netflix in the near future. I would die of happiness if it was about that. Although any Bioshock content is great! Great video you made! And thanks for answering my comment! :D

[@dubioustheatreyt8096]

Bioshock Infinite's story is certainly rough. When I first got through playing it and begun discussing it with my friend, we both kinda agreed that, the premise was good! The execution, was not. My friend described it like having the world-builders and the writers in two entirely separate rooms that could only pass notecards to each-other. The quantum mechanics could've worked, but they weren't made cohesive for the player. Its hard to participate in a story when you don't know what that story is. I think it could've been a comprehensive story like the first two games, it just... wasn't.

[@zombiecupcakes01]

I find the vigor system way better. You can go through areas and select which two you’d like to toggle back and forth between. It forces you to get creative. For instance I like setting up a fire mine and then drag my victims to it with the water noodle vigor. Very satisfying! But yea everything about the guns is a step back. They don’t have those cool visual changes like the other games did. I don’t mind carrying two because you can find all the good ones pretty much everywhere.

[@thefunnifastmanfromtf2]

I wont try to change your mind because your right.

[@halo6534]

Ahhh yes, I remember I was 19 ish when this game finally came out. I remember being pretty upset after playing. I was expecting the second coming of video game Christ. But it was the time were literally every game was being overhyped, overrated, and just disappointing. Much like today, but just way worse. A sadly painfully average and pretentious game with a “you just don’t get it” deep story.

[@spouwnerring]

There are a lot of plot-holes in this game, however I'm going to focus on 1, because it stands out to me: So is the timeline where the Vox Pupuly got there weapons the Booker from that timeline joined the Vox, because the Elizabeth he was chasing was moved from Monument Island to Comstock House, however he died in battle before he could reach her. However when the Booker and Elizabeth we follow enter the timeline where the Vox Pupuly got there weapons the Elizabeth from THAT timeline is no where to be found. In fact kind of just forgets that our heroes hopped universes as evidenced by Comstock not acknowliging that he's now dealing with 2 Elizabeths instead just (1 Elizabeth that's in his custody and another that's helping us). And you what would've been really cool: having a fully brainwashed and fully juiced up Elizabeth be the final boss. Alternatively, we could just fix this plot-hole by having Elizabeth teleport the guns needed for revolution to their universe (no universe hopping required) and then our heroes temporery join the Vox as they both want Comstock dead. It's only once Fitzroy desides to kill Fink's son that our heroes desert the Vox by killing Fitzroy.

[@Saiko1516]

A few weeks back, Everywhere i went theres a bunch of people who really really really really hate bioshock infinite. At this time i dont know anything about bioshock series so i asked why they hated it. They all went quiet and never replied back. So at this point bioshock series got me interested. Went to all the articles and reviews about it. Asked a bunch of people if bioshock infinite is really that bad. They all responded positively saying that it was a masterpiece and could be the greatest on the series. The same on article and some youtube reviews of it. Well this convinced me to play bioshock series. So outright i bought the bioshock infinite on ps3 that comes with bioshock 1. I first played bioshock 1 on ps3 b4 Bioshock infinite. And it really hit me like a truck. Great game 🔥. So i went and tried bioshock infinite.. And i just finished it today. I must say i dont get the hate on the game?? I fcking love infinite. I havent play the BS2 but i'll be on it soon. In anycase i consider bioshock infinite and 1 as a masterpiece. Theyre on the same level *for* me. And some people who i met online said the same thing. Maybe its upto the persons taste??

[@TheEvilWhitebowser]

Recently i have been playing the entire bishock trilogy for the first time and i just finished infinite a few hours ago with 0 spoilers and i must say as i was playing it i was confused by all the hate it didn’t make much sense yeah it wasn’t like the first 2 games but it was a good different then i got to the ending and i sat in silence for around 10 minutes trying to figure out the ending because it made zero sense to me it felt like it came out of left field almost like they didn’t like the original ending so they just made up something thats why it went from a good game to me to one of my least favorites i am ok with sad endings but this one felt wrong to me like it shouldn’t of happened so i do think thats why so many people hate it

[@pokermitten9795]

Infinite opens up all these very emotional things but doesn't satisfy in the end IMO. You have racism, religion, politics, quantum mechanics, multiverses....but none of these themes are adequately delved into. The first two games are much more meaty when it comes to dialog and philosophy....Infinite even had a talking protagonist but still couldn't deliver a message.

[@JeffarryLounder]

I don't think Bioshock 2 was a step down, especially due to its circumstances. Players were already expecting another giant plot twist from the previous game, so when Bioshock 2 was being produced, adding a cliche and expected plot twist would've been too corny. Sure, Bioshock 1 was still a masterpiece, but I think the way Bioshock 2 handled the continuation was amazing in itself. It really shows you what happened to Rapture after the death of Andrew Ryan, as well as patching up previous plot holes made in Bioshock 1 that were quite obvious. Plus, the perspective of a big daddy was something that players on number 1 had been asking for since shortly after Bioshock 1's release.

[@pokermitten9795]

Two is the most fun, for sure. The spear gun is the chef's kiss of the rapture world IMO.

[@cb225]

If you've read Rapture or listened to the midnight series, that whole arc in Rapture is very fleshed out and has a great story.

[@alfredlaalpacadeageofempir9215]

>There must be an alternate reality where Bioshock Infinite is a good game. >0:55 Our Big Daddy told us to not be ashamed of our Drills. >2:30 The last time i was baptized, it burn me. >4:13 Asking Lamp to seek things is like asking a Beheaded Kamikaze to not explode. >4:45 *ASMR_Sounds.avi* >6:06 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 >7:58 HombreEnSillaDeRuedasMan >8:33 The less complicated fanfic story. >10:47 R.I.P LamWarp, Cancelled for disliking a game from 10 years ago. >I just notice that Elizabeth is Gap Hag just like Yukari Yakumo.

[@UFT-8]

i think we can all agree that elizabeth is one of the best video game compagnion ever

[@SeriousLeo5]

I don't really like BioShock Infinite as well. I played BioShock 1 before, really loved it, so i remember being excited for Infinite when it was announced, and when the game was released in 2013 i remember enjoying it, but feeling kinda dissapointed. When i replayed the entire series a few years back, my feelings towards the game were mixed. My main problem with the game is the fact that it got rid of all of the "immersive sim" elements. BioShock 1 and 2 were a sort of a more simplified and streamlined "versions" of something like System Shock 2. Infinite has none of that, and the sad thing is that the game seems to have had those elements, judging by the earlier gameplay demos from E3 2011 and 2012, but they were cut, and what we got in the end is a game that streamlined it's gameplay elements so much that it lost all of the series's identity in the process.

[@itsjasmine8973]

Bioshock 2 literally has no reason to exist like even ken levine him self said that so my order will be Bioshock 1 Bioshock infinite Bioshock 2

[@kwagmeijer26]

No Bioshock has a real reason to exist... BS2's reasons are just as valid as BS1 and especially infinite. Ken Levine is just stupid here.

[@ac_qai8861]

Bioshock infinite is definitely a top 3 bioshock

[@themeltingpoint3867]

Bioshock 1: Post Society Collapse Bioshock 2: During Society Collapse Bioshock infinite: Pre Society Collapse

[@_G3M5_]

bioshock 2 plays after 1 ...

[@somedayslater6276]

She didn’t have to drown Booker. He was never going to be comstock.

[@unoriginalperson72]

Spicy take you have there, I have never played any Bioshock so I have no opinion but I could imagine those who really REALLY like the games won't really like it

[@visionhawk4403]

I loved Elizabeth. I was really disappointed when I found out the character I was playing as is supposed to be her dad. That was a creepy feeling.

[@Bazztoner]

I only have two negative? comments: First, vigors are supposed to be comboed, Crows and then Devil's kiss make the crows be made of fire. The water plasmid can be shot and it boosts the electricity one. You should have experimented more with them Second, the story is actually easily understandable. The ending and some other details are not TBH but the main twist with the Vox Populi is explained in dialogue even

[@Ferdinand208]

Infinite is a nice console shooter that wants to pretend to be a bioshock game. It is an ok game but a bad bioshock.

[@alang.bandala8863]

Finally, I was the crazy man in school just by saying that Infinite was the worst of them all. The internet is giving me the reason after all those years

[@khm6585]

The graphic, the scenery and the atmosphere was amazing ngl. Like you can legit feel like you are venturing into a different world, just like Bioshock 1 & 2, a place where everything is different from what you know. But the story is bad, just plain bad. One main part of the story that I hate so much is that, for a good chunk of the story, you have to get to an airships, you fought numerous enemies and traps just to have that ship be taken away from you moment later. That moment made me feel like I just wasted a few hours to achieve nothing.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

Bioshock Infinite is the fall from grace for Ken Levine. Up to a few months prior to release, the game wasn't even in a functional playable state! All of the stuff that got them awards at game shows was cut from the game, and what you're left with is a miserable shell of it's hype And don't even get started on Burial at Sea, the story for that is just basically Ken Levine throwing a temper tantrum and trying to sabotage his toys before he left 2K.

[@deathpanda1904]

Fyi Comstock is a alternate version of booker if your confused Edit:if you want me to go into more details I will

[@markjohnson1734]

The atmosphere of infinite is unmatched. Columbia has so much personality and charm. However, Rapture allows you to dive deeper into it (no pun intended). I play these games to escape and enter a world full of creative ideas and mystery. So in a way no matter how you look at it, both allow you to win as a player. Because you get two cities to run around in! R.I.P. Bioshock series you will be missed!

[@icecoldfingerz]

My issues with Infinite as someone who considers the Bioshock series the best gaming narratives ever is like you said, the contrast of it being light and not scary at all, as well as how they “your princess is in another castle” you through Infinite so many times. I love Infinites story otherwise and it’s a relatively short game but every time you feel you’re making progress Elizabeth gets snatched up by a Handyman, Song Bird or Comstock etc until the end

[@friedteto]

Finally someone disagree even ppl simps for Elizabeth, also the fact i got confused at the ending of the game but i got the meaning of the whole thing in infinite.

[@Christian-gr3gu]

Ok why the hell do people think 2 is a step down

[@Valce]

I agree with you on the horror aspect and the vigors. I found the vigors completely useless in Infinite, and redundant. Much faster just shooting enemies. I also preferred the horror aspect of 1 and 2. Made the games feel much grislier and real to me.

[@munchkin_mania]

The ending of lamwarps videos is so iconic and the music is great

[@ayushkumar9525]

Play prey next

[@timothyfinch7295]

Why would I change your mind when you're right?

[@randomguyontheinternet8345]

We expected an open world exploration but got a very straight hallway game. I hated it. It bored me. It had no repayable value.

[@ROOKTABULA]

The timbre and way of speaking by this narrator made it really clear: Misanthropic. Professional, modern day, whiner. Great game, even if the conclusion does require one to pay attention and think (those are good things).

[@beloved-child]

After playing 1 and 2, i initially hated it. The weapon and vigor simplicity vs the uniqueness and customization of the previous. Then i remembered how beautiful columbia was b4 i was seen as the devil.....and kept seeing it as i played....then started riding the skylines.........then saw fascist, racist, dark nature behind the facade of Columbia ..... I also am fascinated by cults and those that lead them. Comstack is a great example.

[@phant0mdummy]

I just rolled end credits 5 minutes ago. I had not played the game since it released. Over the last few weeks I replayed 1, 2 and infinite and I gotta say, I really enjoyed Infinite. To my surprise, all these years later, I'm rating them 2, Infinite, and then BioShock. There's so much that 2 did to make BioShock feel awful. It ironed out all the jank and kinks that the original has, fixed the awful hacking, and improved combat, plasmids and tonics. As for infinite, while a lot of the story is better than I recalled, it's also trying to do and be too much. It is being too smart for a dumbed down game. The immersive sim aspects were basically thrown out, but we got better combat and better synergy between vigor combos. For the most part, infinite had awesome pacing. Only a few sections went on too long, and combat fatigue kicked in during certain encounters. But the more I replayed infinite the more I thought "this feels like borderlands, with skyrails".

[@alpolo007]

I hate how Infinite went with more weapons, but still had an upgrade system for them. It gives you more options, but discourages you from using all them. It’s impossible to upgrade all of them and all your plasmids.

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

After receiving my 4th Vigor that did EXACTLY what the previous 3 did I was disappointed. The little tutorial pops up and says "hold L2 to lay a trap!" I was mentally done. Such bland basic abilities, BORING. We have 8 superpowers that can all be thrown or laid in a trap, ONLY difference is animation of each power. I got bored of it so fast. I'll still finish the game, but the Vigors were SERIOUSLY disappointing and unimaginative to say the least. Vigors don't add anything to the game, which is a massive letdown in an otherwise amazing video game.

[@ivansobol7334]

It's always a good day when Lamwarp uploads, no matter the topic!

[@KlausWulfenbach]

IMHO There are four Bioshock games: Bioshock, Bioshock II, Minerva's Den, and The Magic Circle.

[@fulviogregoriopalma8425]

3:57 Vortigaunt reference

[@bio4439]

i wanna make videos like him, can you guys give me tips about editing?

[@LamWarp]

I can't really give tips for that. It's just something you have to experiment with and get a feel for. I guess you can search tutorials for how to do specific things, but as a style, that's just something you develop over time.

[@Jacobmelrose26]

I don't think I'll be able to change you're mind tbh. You got some good points. Bioshock 1 and 2 are two different genres from Infinite. I think this is why so many people dislike it. Infinite is my favorite of the series. One reason for this is the environment does more for me. I think it's because I love the steampunk authentic and the music kinda goes along with that. Another reason is the story. Yes it does have some inconsistencies but I feel like I learned something new everytime I play the game. I understand thats not for everyone. Also Ill say youre not dumb for bot getting it. I also didnt understand fully at first. But everything does make sense eventually. The only thing about the story I dislike is that Booker and Elizabeth keep jumping dimensions expecting everything to be the same. For example their deal with Daisy. But I think I can see past this when you realise the older version of Elizabeth sent Booker back to the original timeline when he went to save Elizabeth. Of course none of thiw ends up mattering since the end result is the same. Booker has to die.

[@miguelpadilla5899]

I tend to enjoy stories in a game. I am not someone that will yell when Mario has to rescue the princess again, but when a story wants me to care about itself, I will pay attention and analyse it and... Yeah. The story of Infinite is a mess. It's not just because it's incredibly convoluted, it's also because its filled with things that makes no sense whatsoever, to enormous plotholes.

[@thespade3577]

I completely respect your opinion however I disagree with your opinion. I admit that the game has a lot of faults but what it has is still very good. I had recently replayed the game on hard to revisit it as it provided a unique itch that was different from rapture. It showed a beautiful city that was lifted above the earth but was still rooted in its problems. It still lives up to what bioshock as a setting set out to be a man's misjudged belief that you can make a society quarantined from the world without still being plagued by it. Rapture was created by Ryan as a response to escape the nuclear age however Columbia and Comstock were to escape regret. I think infinite does this well with the final confrontation with slate wanting a mercy killing. I like a lot of people who did not kill him the first time around as he was a comrade but when I saw him next as a lobotomized vegetable I did. Ever since that moment without hesitation I do it the first time around. The game play is actually pretty good. I like using the pistol as its fast and has a pretty substantial ammo capacity. The weapon variety never made me feel pressed for ammo. I choose to scavenge every thing I can find and spend less on ammo & health to better upgrade weapons and vigors. The vigors actually do play well for me as the variety and combinations can liven combat. Fully upgraded murder of crows & devils kiss is a broken combo as it kills everyone and whoever's left has to deal with oops all crows with everyone becoming a crow land mine. Clash in the clouds is a fun experience for anyone who really likes the combat as it allows for experimentation to see what really goes well together with an assortment of gears, guns, and vigors. Running and gunning have damage multipliers with every kill, a shield that recharges faster, and another multiplier for aiming sights with your trusty shotgun. I'm fine with infinite being the black sheep of the trilogy because love it or hate it takes pride in doing something different.

[@comedylyfe2113]

The lack of mutants in bioshock infinite diddnt feel right, there were not enough mutants, it would of been actually cool if they had splicers or splicer like mutants as the main enimies in infinite

[@KaosNova2]

If you want a Bioshock Experience, literally play System Shock

[@ReallyNoOneAtAll]

That's what bothers me so much about Infinite. It's not a bad game persay, and if it was called anything other than Bioshock no one would have any of the complaints they do. Simply put, Bioshock Infinite is a good game, but it's a really bad Bioshock game. *_SPOILERS AHEAD_* The only saving grace of Infinite was Burial At Sea Episode 2 and that's pretty much only because it had a more plasmid favored gameplay loop and it makes Bioshock 1 the definitive canon universe and it's story / ending the canon ending of everything. Still though, the game sucked compared to BS1. It was a cop out to say "We made the story too complex with too many inconsistincies and loopholes so we're just going to wrap it messily and call BS1 the one true universe where all this comes to an end." *sigh*

[@CrimeGaming1337]

I agree, I didn't understand Bioshock Infinite's story. Maybe I am just dumb. Either way the story in an interactive medium such as games should be easy enough to follow. This is not the case in Bioshock Infinite, which is a waste. They could have dumbed down the story and worked more on the gameplay. Maybe release a separate novel which explains stuff in more detail.

[@CrimeGaming1337]

Or maybe just sprinkle lore all over the game and make it mysterious, so players have to watch lore videos afterwards. Looking at you FromSoftware ;). At least in these games they still have good gameplay, and the story is not so much in your face.

[@fiffif9878]

WAIT WHAT???? YOU CAN CHOOSE PLASMIDS FROM THE WHEEL???? I THOUGHT I HAD ONLY TWO SO DIDN'T CHANGE THEM FROM THE FIRST MOMENT I GOT THEM!!!

[@PETERTHEGAMER69]

If this game is so bad then why was I like "hmm, sure I'll play this game for 10 minutes and go do something else" but ended up spending 5 hours on it in a single day...

[@LamWarp]

Because it's not a "bad game" itself. It's just the worse one in its series.

[@MisterM4n]

wish you could defend elizabeth instead of her being immune to enemies

[@baka_ahiru4564]

Man i feel nostalgic about this game, but you're right. Worst Bioshock games, could be a masterpiece but nah, let's make some money. Nice work man!

[@vikinggamer7727]

It's too much work to be considured a money grabber.

[@DishonoredSkull]

Bioshock Infinite was my first Bioshock game and by extension my first "immersive sim". I loved the game a lot when I played on the 360, few short years later I play the first and second game. When I got around to playing Infinite, dead excited to replay a game I loved after many years, I found myself not liking the game almost to the point of... not hating the game, but kinda feel indifferent about it, couldn't really care for it. Personally Bioshock 2 is my favourite then 1, they were just better more fun games and also better immersive sims in my eyes. Infinite is pure nostalgia to me now.

[@league_of_physics]

well return to sender is actually pretty broken: when you stand behind the wall you can't shoot your enemies and it's vigor with most posible damage too - ofcourse if you playing on easy mode you probably don't need to care, but on 1999 mode it is blessing

[@SL4PSH0CK]

for me, 2 was an introduction to the bioshock franchise, and its great, so was infinite. it was up their toe to toe with tlou at the time, and infinite does story and action adventure shooter well both balanced and in higher difficutly its resource management.

[@MrFireWolf]

tbf, Bioshock Infinite lore was complicated but used to make sense then Burial at Sea came out..

[@nathaniel6958]

Mannn if they would’ve gave us the bioshock infinite that they previewed in the teaser gameplay a couple years before it came out IM STILL PISSED THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE COULD’VE AND WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE !!!!!! 🤬

[@ktrn6713]

in defense of vigors, unlike plasmids i used almost all variants (i didn't use the water and fire one) all the time where in rapture i only used like 3 or 4 (and 2 of them were lightning and freezing which are almost the same) and the rest i found useless especially the security bullseye because you have hacking unlike in columbia where i posession was 2 plasmids in one and lack of hacking made it actually useful. Also i don't understand how someone didn't use vigors in infinite, i used the all the time and i actually found choosing vigors much easier and better than plasmids with the quick swap and all that.

[@robiluc4716]

I got the chains tattooes right after finishing the original Bioshock 😆

[@Memoquin]

I love Infinite, but it does feel like the story leads the gameplay, and as such they game itself doesn’t play as well as the previous games. Burial at Sea is brilliant however

[@gerard-bergerturbofire]

great critic ! You sumed up exactly everything that bothered me with this game but I couldn't clearly point it. You did it gretaly and I love your humour and rythme

[@Slavic_Snake]

controversial opinion, but... I think all bioshock games are mid

[@Coltonflix910]

It took me 3 replays to finally come to my senses that infinite is indeed a masterpiece 😅 Took a long time ngl. It's probably because the first and the second time I played it I didn't bother paying attention to the story 😂 I installed in my mind that infinite is "trash" because the social media said so. Lmao i got brainwashed through the internet

[@egglucu8997]

the fact is that bioshock infinite only has 2 weapon slots, it's like modern fps games today like cod and battlefield, and this is the easiest bioshock game because everything is cheap and there is armor that can regenerate itself

[@egglucu8997]

and I'm actually confused as to why they didn't connect the story again with the previous series even though the previous story could still be continued. They instead changed the essence of BioShock in this series as if it wasn't BioShock. The gameplay is getting easier because we won't be fighting Big Daddy again like in BioShock One. and I will no longer meet Big Sister in BioShock 2. I never even died once in BioShock Infinity, unlike in the previous series, especially in BioShock 2, I always died by Big Sister.

[@Qwertyuiopaz]

I don't agree with you, but Bioshock Infinite is definitely the roughest and most flawed game in the series. Despite this I really like it due to how much ambition and risks it seemed to take. The whole timeline thing was a very interesting concept which while I think it created a bunch of plotholes, was still very cool. I also really like the aesthetic that the game had. The first two bioshock games probably had a better atmosphere, but I have a feeling it would have worn off in a third entry. The biggest problems I had with infinite was the weapon limit (which prevented infinite from having the best combat in the series) and I also don't like how they tried tying infinite into the main franchise. I get its part of the bioshock series, but lots of moments from infinite kinda ruined bioshock 2's story. Burial at sea (despite me liking it alot more than most people) kinda butchered and cheapened the whole series. I really wish it just took place in a different universe, which would have made sense for the story anyways.

[@tg-misfortune]

2:19 Да, товарищ! 🚩 Благорю за великолепный видеоролик по любимой игре, за субтитры отдельное спасибо!

[@lovestospuge666]

Infinite always felt like they were trying to be more like Halo or Cod

[@ghostface_killer06]

Lam i got a question,i actually like your videos and you should post more but why you like post videos from a month to another you busy or something? Dont forget we love your art fr.

[@LamWarp]

Partly because I'm busy so I can't work on it constantly, but also these videos just take a while to make.

[@primrose5031]

Bioshock infinite fans when you ask them what they liked about the game *besides* just the story/graphics

[@wolfiesworld9361]

I loved Bioshock 1 and 2! I played them many times. I guess when Infinite arrived I was ready to surface. ***Spoilers*** The pure beauty of the setting combined with the hypocrisy and cruelty of the Fake Founding Fathers left me ready to burn it all down. Which I did. It is amazing to leave a gorgeous cloud city in flames. The DLCs let me back to Rapture, so I was not disappointed. No explanation why I am drinking my potions in Rapture instead of shooting them up, but that is probably the way things are going.... I enjoyed your video....Thanks! I think 2K might be remastering the game or will put out a new one..

[@aziz7323]

bioshock infinite is a masterpiece as a game, but it's the worse bioshock.

[@real2rek]

I played Infinite first. I'm amazed how Bioshock 1 and 2 are praised. - Complicated navigation mess with no actual story, srsly "my plane crashed, I'm off to explore underwater city" wtf xD - Questionable design choices that FORCE you to use certain elements of the game by making you feel like an idiot - Small cramped spaces filled with garbage and no place to maneuver - No actual locations, every space is dark shithole with no redeeming features, doesn't feel like a city - AI that can be bamboozled by standing under the stairs - Lack of ammo, thanks for giving me the gun and no ammo to use it, am I playing dark messiah now? - Dark atmosphere created by sophisticated mechanic called jumpscare. - And cherry on top: community of fans that are triggered that studio decided to make the game they wanted instead of fan-service they served with Bioshock 2. Yet for some reason videos like this exist, and fans of 1 and 2 feel entitled to tell what Bioshock is and isn't. Most opinions about Bioshock 1 and 2 are nothing more but a copy of a copy. But muh "no gods or kings only man" But muh "would you kindly" But muh "big daddy"

[@LamWarp]

Infinite is very different, so at that point it is personal preference, that's why I said "change my mind". For me, BioShock 1 and 2 are much better.

[@pokermitten9795]

The story and philosophy is so much better in rapture than Colombia and it's not very debatable. The art and gameplay can definitely be discussed, sure.