BISMUTH! *Steven Universe* Season 3 Episodes 19-21 FIRST TIME REACTION Steven vs. Amethyst Bismuth

BISMUTH! Steven Universe Season 3 Episodes 19-21 FIRST TIME REACTION Steven vs. Amethyst Bismuth

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@lort8334 Жыл бұрын

Lapis DID actually try to kill Steven… she literally held his head in a bubble of water 😂

@deondrex18k 3 ай бұрын

I feel like she was blinded with rage and she was cracked

@downbeatdialga1341 Жыл бұрын

21:33 Yup! Any gem that’s poofed and then bubbled is put into stasis. If you recall when the CGs first poofed and bubbled Peridot-when she was rambling on about the Cluster saying, “You don’t know about th-“, before being cut off-when Steven freed her and she reformed, she finished her sentence, RIGHT where it was cut off. “…the Cluster, you insufferable half-formed mega CLODS!” (I’m paraphrasing the quote, don’t exactly remember what it was). For Peridot, her train of thought and even her sentence at the time of when she was poofed were basically put on pause…it’s like if you jump in a video-game, and pause while you’re still in mid-air. When you resume the game, the momentum you had going is what you’ll have to work with to recover. So yeah, poor Bismuth being poofed for thousands of years, meant the last time she was outside was during the war, when her dear friends were still alive 🥺

@bomberdawesome 3 ай бұрын

Maybe I'm just dumb, but how was Lapiz able to retain her time being poofed? Was it the mirror?

@CaramelisedOmlet 2 ай бұрын

@@bomberdawesomeLapis wasn't bubble, just trapped inside of a mirror, so she couldn't reform but she was still conscious.

@bomberdawesome 2 ай бұрын

@@CaramelisedOmlet That makes sense, but if thats the case, how come when Pearl got puffed she didn't know what happened to the house. She wasn't bubbled so shouldnt she have been concious when holo pearl was destroying the house.

@CaramelisedOmlet 2 ай бұрын

@@bomberdawesome Because poofing for gems is like passing out for a human, Lapis had "passed out" and when she had fully recovered, she tried to reform, but was left unable to. Still consciousness, but just not able to create her form due to the mirror being in the way.

@GreySeashell-j3m Жыл бұрын

30:18 All quarts are made to be soldiers. That's why Jasper said Amethyst is supposed to be like her.

@kayla8402 6 ай бұрын

Yeah... it doesn't change Amethyst's value as a person, but by the standards of homeworld, she's literally physically less powerful than Jasper, and that's hard to overcome. What the Crystal Gems/Rose offered was freedom to be a whole person outside of your predetermined "birth" qualities and assigned roles, and then of course fusion helps literally overcome personal limitations by working together and becoming something better than just the two together. But also, she's learning about Homeworld values, and despite knowing it's bad, it still hits hard, because that's supposed to be her culture supposedly. And of course neither Amethyst nor Steven know at this point why Steven/Rose's powers are so... powerful and varied.

@mightynein776 Жыл бұрын

I think the reason why I don’t find bismuth way of thinking that logical is because the whole point is to get gems on there side so it would kinda be contradictory if they started to shatter other gems who’ve also been like born into that society

@747gabe Жыл бұрын

Its that once the weapon/punishment exists, justifying its use is the wild card. Bismuth wanted it for the diamonds but was willing to on friend and self as well

@Kyss111 Жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly, the whole point was to free all gems, with the breaking point it only the crystal gems that would be free

@JoeSnoe126 Жыл бұрын

yeah bubbling a gem is already this story's form of sustained violence. The show never disavows violence completely but it does draw a line with shattering.

@cream7226 Жыл бұрын

@@JoeSnoe126 oh damn that kinda made me realize their hidden meaning behind violence and shattering, you might be right xd

@lokazoum4816 6 ай бұрын

@@747gabe Exactly. It never is black and white, but Bismuth clearly isn't going to keep this for the Diamonds only. She sees her enemy's life as inherently less valuable than her comrads, which justifies her killing them. But the "enemy" is filled with gems that are equally victims of Homeworld's society as the Crystal Gems are. The moment Bismuth starts killing their enemy gems instead of trying to convince them, is the moment "liberation" isn't possible, can't liberate the DEAD.

@revangerang Жыл бұрын

Amethyst was alone when she emerged and never saw another of her type, so no, she didn't know what she was "supposed" to look like until Peridot said so. She did already have self-esteem issues before hand due to being the youngest, not being around during the war, and being from Earth/the kindergarten (aka the result of imperialism). And just when she was starting to feel a bit better is when Peridot dropped the "supposed to be" thing on her. She mostly managed to brush that off too, but now this whole thing with Jasper and Steven is really getting to her. :( Poor thing. She really has so much going on.... Disability, abandonment issues, inferiority complex, youngest AND middle child syndrome, and second-gen immigrant stuff AND colonizer guilt that she was born into.

@serviammaza4758 Жыл бұрын

Pearl actually has A LOT of powers First, she can use her gem to project light to act as flashlight Second, she can store seemingly infinite items in her gem Third, she can project her thoughts, memories and images from her gem Fourth, she can create holograms I think there are more but I cant remember. She of course can also shape shift but she doesn't like doing it I'm pretty sure her additional abilities are because she is a pearl. They are meant to become servants and her abilities help pearls be a good servant to their owners. The additional abilities of all other gems are meant for them to be good at their jobs. A good example would be lapis and sapphire. Lapis are meant to tera form planets. Having control over water helps them better 'destroy' planets and life on the planet. And sapphires can see the future to be able to advices to high ranking gems

@TragicSun Жыл бұрын

While it's true that her being a Pearl played a part of her powers, it's also clear that she ended up developing new hidden abilities throught her experience and experimentation, Bismuth herself said in this last episode "Lasers? when did that happen?" Pearl had to learn it after Bismuth's disappearance. It might also be interesting to know when did Pearl aknowledge that she could use a spear, a gem weapon, which doesn't make sense for a Pearl. If we add her learning to swordfight, and use her piruettes as an advantge in battle! It wouldn't be crazy to say that she is one of the most skilled fighters in SU.

@EwMatias Жыл бұрын

I think all gems can do the flashlight thing, or at least I think I saw Garnet do it.

@arc7853 Жыл бұрын

She can also hold living things inside her pearl too, not gonna spoil anything but, it is a thing that can happen

@RainbowDrop Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the first two everygem can do

@EwMatias Жыл бұрын

@@RainbowDrop I don't remember seeing anyone else storing things in their Gem. I believe that if they could Rose wouldn't have used Lion's mane for that

@gladeseason3462 Жыл бұрын

Amethyst with her hair up is such a cute look 😭 I love her so much

@mezkennedy4106 Жыл бұрын

When they get poofed/destabilized, they have new outfits after reforming again. Black shirt to torn white shirt. We've known Lion was Rose's due to all her things being in his mane. Amethyst didn't see other Amethysts due to emerging a lot later. Lapis did try to kill him during their fight, she tried to drown him and Connie.

@revangerang Жыл бұрын

46:54 Ohhhh yeah that's true! Literally all she has are her hammers. And as the saying goes, "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

@pengtotapenguin Жыл бұрын

Theres no point in beating homeworld if theres no gems left to recruit. Steven wants the crystal gems to win against homeworld with as few casualties as possible and i dont think that way of thinking deserves the title of "naive". But of course bismuth's way of thinking isnt very naive either, shes been through a lot and so have the crystal gems and she just wants to carry her friends to victory. Bismuth did what she did for the crystal gems as a whole and steven did what he did to protect the lives of all gems. Personally i'm *more* on stevens side here (though i *dont* think bismuth is wrong). Rose founded the crystal gems with the mindset that they have to stand up and save the citizens on homeworkd from the toxic and harmful normalized way of thinking. We shouldnt shatter anyone unless its COMPLETELY necessary. Steven shouldnt have melted the breaking point imo, just in case

@simonsonian8977 9 ай бұрын

Also, Bismuth doesn’t just want to shatter the Diamonds like a lot of people say. She wants to shatter all the “upper crusts”. Gems like Sapphire, Lapis, and Topaz. Anyone born into a more privileged life than her. She doesn’t seem to understand that, even if the benefit from the system, they are still oppressed by it and would be killed if they stepped out of line. Also, the Breaking Point is a melee weapon, not some massive ranged weapon like a nuke, so it’s doubtful she could ever just casually kill the Diamonds with it unless all of Homeworld had been defeated. 99.99% of its usage would be on soldiers and guards who, again, would be killed if they didn’t fight this war. People like the Famethyst, the Jaspers, Carnelian, and the Rubies. At first, Bismuth’s message is to kill dictators, but in reality she would just be performing a different kind of genocide. Obviously she’s not a bad person, I don’t think she realizes the implications of her actions, but I think there’s a lot more nuance to this episode and this character than people give SU credit for!

@WolfPrideProductions 9 ай бұрын

"deep cut" refers to the color and the size of Amethyst's/her gem. The deeper the cut of a gem (for any rock) refers to mainly how rich the color which correlates to the smaller size/cut of the stone and the way it is able to show a richer color.

@capn_toad Жыл бұрын

i think its important to know that in gen culture, shattering someone is extremely taboo. like, more taboo than killing is in human culture. without shattering, gems are practically immortal, which makes someone a HUGE deal. maybe for us it would be obvious that of course people have to die during war, but for gems it's practically unheard of.

@phuni8739 Жыл бұрын

Respectful counterpoint: the cluster

@capn_toad Жыл бұрын

@@phuni8739 yeah the diamonds were fucked up and evil what else is new

@phuni8739 Жыл бұрын

⁠@@capn_toadWhat I’m trying to say is that shattering isn’t unheard of. In the episode, “The Answer,” Ruby is nearly shattered because Blue Diamond didn’t like how she fused w Sapphire. BD said that Ruby would be shattered and all gems in the vicinity turned to ruby as if they were gonna aid in shattering her. We know that the Diamonds are fucked up, but we also know is that the brainwashed Homeworld gems that follow them worship them like gods. If the Diamonds want to shatter anyone who doesn’t fit into their strict hierarchy, the homeworld gems will be happy to help. (Remember Peridots spiel when she was talking about how perfect YD was) 👍

@Kyss111 10 ай бұрын

@@phuni8739yeah but it's still under the order of the diamonds, the forced fusions and the cluster are a new concept to the gems, look at how garnet and pearl reacted, there was never a war between gems until now, in that time of war shattering is still very taboo and only been done by the diamonds

@SilverScribe85 Жыл бұрын

The best way I can describe Amethyst's upgrade is a cross between a whip and a Morning Star flail

@ananon3560 Жыл бұрын

God I love Bismuth, she's so cool! Both as a plot device in this episode and as a character. She's a person who at this point in the story marks both how other gems see Steven, and a tragic yet understandable antagonist who needed to be stopped. And just,, look at her! She's so cool! She needed to be stopped here because she refused to listen that Steven is not Rose, not necessarily because of her extremism. She does have a point in thinking something extreme needed to be done to end the gem war, I just think that most every Crystal gem would not agree with the solution she came up with. It's never said directly in the show, but the gem war must have been a horrific slog, because you have two sides of neigh-immortal regenorators poofing (or mostly in Homeworld's case) or shattering each other. On top of that, shattering is *not* a true death, doing it just physically fractures a consciousness so that they cannot reform again. Something had to stop it, and the first ones to pull the nuclear option happened to be Homeworld (though it might have been Bismuth, if Rose hadn't stopped her) (last sidenote: yet another benchmark on literally experiencing Rose's character development in reverse! You hate to see it!)

@shipshow463 Жыл бұрын

One thing that I wish more people would keep in mind here is that Steven was literally forced into poofing Bismuth. Steven avoided poofing Bismuth for as long as he could. He tried repeatedly to talk Bismuth down. He wanted to have a discussion. And Bismuth just refused to stop. Call it forced writing if you want but at the end of the day, Steven only poofed Bismuth when she threatened to "shatter" him with the Breaking Point (which would probably kill him). Steven obviously disagreed with Bismuth's way of thinking but he would never have resorted to such violence if Bismuth didn't threaten his life so badly. Maybe Steven and Bismuth could have peacefully come to some sort of understanding if they only talked things out. Too bad Bismuth just refused to do so. Even if one agrees with Bismuth in principal, her way of dealing with Steven here is simply unacceptable. Again, Steven makes every effort to de-escalate the situation and each time, Bismuth strikes at him again with deadly intent. I understand that Bismuth thinks Steven is just Rose in disguise, but it's still a really awful way to treat someone who has shown you nothing but kindness. And the only thing Bismuth based her hunch on was that Steven and Rose said the same thing one time. That was just a horrible way to handle the situation. I also find it notable that Bismuth chose to confront Steven away from the other Crystal Gems. Likely because Bismuth knows that her point of view wouldn't be popular with them, that they'd support Steven over her. This also explains why none of the Crystal Gems were ever aware of just how extreme Bismuth had become. Because Bismuth purposefully hid it from them. Why else hide these beliefs from the other Gems if they mean so much to you, enough for you to literally attack Rose twice? Imagine if Bismuth had succeeded in "shattering" Steven and killed him. Would any excuse she could come up with satisfy you? "I thought he was Rose." Well then, why not stop for a minute to make sure before killing him? "I thought he might bubble me again like Rose did in the past." Well then, if his plan was to bubble you all along, why did he waste all that time and energy trying to reason with you and de-escalate? I've thought about this episod for many years now and have yet to come up with an acceptable excuse. In a twisted way, Bismuth is actually pretty lucky that she failed to shatter Steven. I get feeling bad for Bismuth and to be clear, I don't think her ideology is inherently wrong. But let's not forget the context of what actually happened. Bismuth attacked Steven repeatedly with the intent to hurt/shatter him. Steven tried to talk Bismuth down as much as possible until Bismuth forced him to poof her (or he would have been killed instead). Then Bismuth's other friends agreed that keeping her imprisoned like before was for the best (which makes sense since she literally just tried to kill Steven). The writers structured the episode this way on purpose. Why? Imo, to make it clear that Steven had no choice but to poof Bismuth here, to take away any moral culpability he might have. Even if you agree with Bismuth, it should be hard to be mad at Steven since, ya know, it was either poof Bismuth or die. And yet it often feels like people get mad at Steven anyways

@Gary_The_Man76 Жыл бұрын

🤓🤓

@Kyss111 10 ай бұрын

@@Gary_The_Man76 Awww little guy is too stupid to read

@caldercockatoo2234 9 ай бұрын

@@Gary_The_Man76 Lol what? You seem confused lil bro 😂

@wtimmins Жыл бұрын

I LOVE how the 'fight between Steven and Amethyst' is totally inverted. It's refreshing, and so appropriate for this show.

@alexvigue4578 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I dunno. If Bismuth had her way, she would have shattered Lapis. (You can see a Bismuth poof Lapis in her backstory when she shows Steven how she got trapped in the mirror in S3E3. Rebecca Sugar confirmed that this Bismuth was ours during 2019 Comicon.) Her methodology is too radical, at least in so far as saying that all these homeworld gems need to be shattered.

@padparadscha9921 Жыл бұрын

Answering stuff as I watch. (Recommending from deleted upload) Yes amethyst is ina different outfit. She got a new shirt. The Crystal gems always change outfits whenever they reform the holograms are one of pearl’s powers. It’s likely not something exclusive to them but to my memory they are the only one we see doing it. Amethyst emerged after the gem war and lived alone in the kindergarten till she was found When a gem is poofed they aren’t conscious so they have no knowledge of time passing, so a gem could be poofed for a million years and only feel like a second passed All quartz’s are made to be soldiers. They are big strong tanks like Jasper made for fighting (except amethyst) Bismuth didn’t design rose’s sword for a fair fight by her will, it was what rose wanted. Shattering wasn’t a requirement to rose because bubbling and sending them away had the same effect of taking them out of the battle, if they are shattered they are straight up dead with no chance of redemption. Rose didn’t loose the lives of all her comrades, they were corrupted. Bismuth just assumed they were all dead because she didn’t know about corruption.

@sebastyann123 Жыл бұрын

The thing is that those gems fighting the crystal gem ( at least most of them) weren't fighting nor shaterring other gems bc they wanted to. They were FORCE to fight them. There was literally no need to shatter them. Creating more of Rose's sword it's literally the easiest solution, not only bc you will destroy their form and can just bubble them but bc destroying their physical form with that sword its 1000s times more easier than having to accuralately aim the breaking point in their gems. To use that weapon they'd have to literally restrain the gem to destroy them. Also when will you stop justifying the use of the breaking point when the alternative is quite simple and bismuth themselves said they tried to use in on Rose when she rejected that idea, was willing to use it on steven AND on herself lol and if you really wanna take it there, why bother sending killers to prison. Just kill them instead of "bubbling " them .

@GreySeashell-j3m Жыл бұрын

Lion being Rose's has been confirmed ever since we came in his mane and saw Rose's things lol

@kaylagaymon4873 5 ай бұрын

13:34-13:36 Pearl: What did you two do?! You've ruined the ruins! Me: It's already been ruined 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DonnaBump Жыл бұрын

If we have bubble as a choice, choose bubble. . . . . . spoilers. . . . . . . . . . . . We who have seen the show know what it really would've meant to shatter the diamonds, and why Rose could never allow that. All these people who are arguing that shatter was the right choice. 🤦‍♂️

@azraelmacool3194 Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget this is a children’s show. You don’t want to teach kids that the only solution to their problems is to kill their enemies

@andalilbitqueer Жыл бұрын

I disagree with the idea that Steven's ideology is inherently naive, I think it's one derived from compassion, and a belief in restoration over retributation. I specifically don't think it's naive, because of real world examples like the TRC after aparthed South Africa.

@francescawhite4166 Жыл бұрын

I get what you mean, but I think irl it has to be a combination of the two. In the heat of a war, you have to be like Bismuth, and in the aftermath after you've one, you have to be like Steven

@andalilbitqueer Жыл бұрын

@@francescawhite4166 My thought is, I don't really think Bizmuth's philosophy is wrong either, I just don't believe Steven's is any more naive or any less legitmate than Bizmuth's

@747gabe Жыл бұрын

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 n they said in the aftermath be like steven... the other side would be dead/resentful thats terror today

@padparadscha9921 Жыл бұрын

@@francescawhite4166a ig problem with bismuth’s way its that at the core it’s just “believe in our cause and don’t question it or die” which then leads to essecpntiwlly the same system as the diamond’s where everyone is following unchanging leaders and questioning their authority or their judgment results in death

@luzonofficial3418 Жыл бұрын

@@francescawhite4166 If I was the diamonds and I saw the crystal gems using the breaking point I would invent something more sinister and powerful. I will grab all those little dirt clods crystal pebbles and grind them into a blender and siphon their minds and suffering to power massive weapons of destruction. I will invent weapons that would surpass beyond the little war crimes the baby breaking point would do. My gem colonies would create innovations that would surpass nuclear bombs and the suffering of forced fusion experiments. The crystal gems dare use that petty breaking point? Homeworld will create something more devastating and disgusting than that primitive weapon. I will harvest the pure energies of those rebels and exploit them till they break. This is the consequences of using the breaking point. The diamonds will not make the story of the crystal gems to be looked at as a saintly story after using the breaking point. Those crystal gems clod pebble dirt defective low life beings will be known for eons as mere objects that we siphon energy from for future colonies to come. The diamond themselves will use bisumuth’s laughable gem shards as personal entertainment through torture as an example of the consequences of making a primitive weapon. Overall Steven helped the crystal gems dodge a bullet 😃 Irl examples is the creation of nuclear bombs, mustard gas, flame throwers and their consequences of causing more people to create more destructive weapons.

@michaelpadilla-pc3ju 3 ай бұрын

“We were told that violence in itself is evil, and that, whatever the cause, it is unjustified morally. By what standard of morality can the violence used by a slave to break his chains be considered the same as the violence of a slave master? By what standards can we equate the violence of blacks who have been oppressed, suppressed, depressed and repressed for four centuries with the violence of white fascists? Violence aimed at the recovery of human dignity and at equality cannot be judged by the same yardstick as violence aimed at maintenance of discrimination and oppression.”

@troy6646 Жыл бұрын

I like to think that if anything, leaving bismuth out would be a possible issue. I don't think she's irrational but i do think after settling down she'd try to get to homeworld herself someway and try and shatter the diamonds herself. She might even get a little army going who knows. I also like to think garnet might see similar possible futures. It would take some crazy new info for her to change her mind...

@ananon3560 Жыл бұрын

15:53 Amethyst might not have just known intrinsically (gems do have a sort of pre-programming that gives them information on their preset roles), but she did come out of a hole in the Kindergarten (literally a child garden in the gems' case), so it would have been obvious that her hole was smaller and that she came out alone. It wasn't a problem when the only gems she talked with were Rose, Garnet, and Pearl, but interacting with homeworld gems makes it obvious that they consider her a defect, which definitely hurts

@adius256 Ай бұрын

In the end they retroactively dodged this whole thorny question by being like "oh yeah "Rose"'s problem with the breaking point wasn't about not wanting to shatter gems, it was about not wanting to shatter DIAMONDS. Yknow, for REASONS."

@LDIndustries Жыл бұрын

You'll figure out more reasons why Rose didn't agree with Bismuth's way of thinking as you go through the show, but the core ideological disagreement here is the juxtaposition between being principled in the valuing of life and dehumanizing or, in Bismuth's case, de-gemifying the enemy. Rose's position is one of defending yourself in battle, fighting for your cause, but not taking it so far as to do the things your enemy does. One of the founding reasons for the Crystal Gems was the way the diamonds would threaten shattering to gems who stepped out of line and the ones who perpetuated that weren't the regular foot soldiers from home world. Yes there's exceptions like Jasper, zealots who really can only be changed through a drastic emotional and psychological shift or need to be taken out, but most of the gems aren't like that. By introducing the breaking point Bismuth revealed her ideology to be one of winning no matter the cost and inflicting the same pain on others that was inflicted on them and their allies. She obviously has her heart in the right place and she cares very deeply for upending the unjust hierarchy established by the diamonds, but who would actually be liberated by her way of doing things? Because the goal in the breaking point isn't just the shattering of the diamonds, you know Bismuth would use that weapon on any gem she came across on the battlefield. And yes, in the heat of the moment people should protect themselves but protecting yourself has to be proportional not only to the threat you face but to the amount of harm you have the potential to cause. In a world where enemy soldiers can be poofed and bubbled to remove them from the fight and be revived later then there is no truly justifiable way to go around shattering every enemy soldier you see. Not to mention the demonstrated effects in the real world of punitive wars meant to get back at people for causing harm. All that does is create terrorist cells and never ending (not to be cliche) cycles of revenge. Bismuth's ideology intuitively feels satisfying, but it's also unsustainable and morally corrupt.

@747gabe Жыл бұрын

Ayeo gems cant all lava swim Garnet went alone for that reason in giant woman (so i guess garnet, bismuth, earth beetle can)

@WraythSkitzofrenik Жыл бұрын

Pearl is such a Bismuth stan.

@revangerang Жыл бұрын

I could be wrong, but I believe the other crystal gems aren't dead, but corrupted like Centipeedle

@taecampus Жыл бұрын

Soooo now that Bismuth has been introduced, I have a question I've been wondering 🤔 Did Bismuth poof Lapis?? In Lapis's flashback of her visiting Earth, we see a gem literally lands behind her and punches her. And it looks like Bismuth. I wish they could go into that

@purplesigh192 Жыл бұрын

its confirmed that it wasnt our bismuth just some random one

@alexvigue4578 Жыл бұрын

@@purplesigh192 "Rebecca Sugar confirmed in the 2019 San Diego Comic-Con that Bismuth was indeed the Gem who poofed Lapis in the Gem War the whole time, but they didn't recognize each other when they met each other again in "Reunited", making this theory correct." Take it with a grain of salt, I wasn't there, but this is what I've known for a bit. Bismuth poofed a lot of gems, including a lot of Lapis Lazulis.

@taecampus Жыл бұрын

@@alexvigue4578 awwww, I wonder if they had an extra season or two, if they would've gone into that

@ColinTedford 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm not sure how Pearl's hologram power still worked when she was poofed. Bismuth is a hard episode. Up until now I've leaned toward thinking that the Breaking Point would just encourage Homeworld to do the same, which is probably not a net benefit. But now I'm remembering that Homeworld already shatters people - except as far as I know at this point I don't think we have any evidence that they do it in battle. So that's kind of a muddle. Another thing I hadn't thought of until now is that shattering doesn't seem to have much practical benefit over proofing and bubbling. You save some storage space? I guess its main benefit would be terror. If they shatter those who fight but bubble those who surrender, that might be useful (enough to outweigh the costs, I don't know). I feel like the general dilemma gets bogged down by the particulars here, but I think I still lean anti-shattering. But regardless, Rose should have said something, at least after the war. And just packing Bismuth away at the end of the episode feels wrong. Bubbling her in the moment, fine. Taking a little time to figure out how to handle that conflict, fine. But the way it's presented feels like they don't plan to come back to her anytime soon, and that doesn't feel right.

@ikirbeeburgr Жыл бұрын

The scabbard is the sheath for the sword, also Lapis did try to kill him, when she took the ocean to make a tower, and when they all went to confront her she made water copies of them and the water copy of Steven tried to drown Steven and Connie.

@Gary_The_Man76 Жыл бұрын

If they followed bismuth way, gems like Peridot, Lapis, those Amethysts in the zoo would be dead

@revangerang Жыл бұрын

I have a lot of thoughts about the morality of Bismuth, Steven, Rose, and the gem war, but I can't really talk about it now without spoilers haha

@TeddyK1ng Жыл бұрын

I finally caught up!! I can finally watch along with you guys!!💜

@pieflower6419 Жыл бұрын

Be careful and watch out for spoilers, I got quite a few when following along with reactors. Enjoy the show ❤

@TeddyK1ng Жыл бұрын

@@pieflower6419I have watched all of SU and the movie and future lol..

@pieflower6419 Жыл бұрын

@@TeddyK1ng Oh I just realised you meant caught up with their reaction series, I thought you meant you were watching SU at the same time as them 😂

@TeddyK1ng Жыл бұрын

@@pieflower6419 I mostly mean with watching along with YOU guys as in the comments! Like my opinion has relevancy again other being like 10 reactions behind!

@pieflower6419 Жыл бұрын

@@TeddyK1ng Yeah I get that, it's so weird leaving a comment ages after everyone else 😂

@stancinatti8198 Жыл бұрын

I know a lot of people sometimes see rose as bad or confusing but it looks like if it wasn’t for her home world would already have earth

@dukesavill498 Жыл бұрын

I mean she's not perfect but I kinda like that about her

@phuni8739 Жыл бұрын

Dude something that I’ve never really jived with in this episode is how bismuth was robbed of 5,000+ years of time, comes back for one day, and is immediately put back into stasis. Literally tells Steven that he’s better than his mother and he goes and does the same thing she did. (Minus telling the gems of course) like they dedicated nearly a whole season to Peridot’s character growth as someone who started off as a villain but couldn’t offer anything to a character who was already a Crystal gem. Just bubbled her away for the foreseeable future.😭

@phuni8739 Жыл бұрын

I wrote this before watching your reactions and Indi really hit the nail on the head. Like I literally wrote the same thing they said

@natalimoina 8 ай бұрын

Except Steven was left no choice and Bismuth forced him into this.

@lays5277 2 ай бұрын

I think the resolution of bismuth makes sense because it's a kid's show. In real life oppressors should be fought but what good is it gonna do to tell a seven year old that? And also, Steven is a CHILD, and his safety matters more than Bismuth's ideology. It's because she attacked Steven that the other gems didn't want to bring her back (though I'm glad she does eventually get brought back).

@GreySeashell-j3m Жыл бұрын

No matter how much "experience" steven has with homeworld gems, won't change who steven is at his core. And definitely won't make him a _murderer,_ because that's what you guys are insinuating, that he should become one at the age of 14 because its "naive" to have morals, even against your enemies.

@kayla8402 6 ай бұрын

It's worth noting, gem warfare is rarely fatal except by intent, so... shattering is normally a deliberate, shameful form of execution. The intensity of the warfare is what it is, but shattering? Way past that to "the Diamonds' means of enforcement". It's a MASSIVE cultural taboo. Gems just don't die. That kind of a turn on Bismuth's part is well beyond the pale. Notice even Jasper's hammer helmet normally just poofs. Bismuth doesn't get how that level of bloodthirstiness, especially in gem culture and life span, is toxic. And this isn't just Steven's naivete, Rose herself had to bubble Bismuth over this, and Rose is very much the core ideal behind the rebellion. I don't think it's indecisive, they have a near-infinite lifespan, and Rose's big deal is CHANGE. If they're still alive, they can try to change eventually. Death is the end of growth.

@tallmanthesecond Жыл бұрын

The end of season 3 is one of the best runs of episodes I've ever seen in any show. I love Steven vs Amethyst and just this whole overall Amethyst arc. Bismuth I think might be the best episode of the whole series, the "then you really are better than her" ruins me every time

@wirdest1210 Жыл бұрын

Bismuth is my favorite character, I love her so much 😭 Just wait for it, she won't go forgotten 🤭

@revangerang Жыл бұрын

Controversial take but I think you would get more tears/emotional reactions if you were watching without Indi bc your attention wouldn't be split :/

@lokazoum4816 6 ай бұрын

This isn't a black and white thing, both sides are correct in a way, but I think it's important to point out that a real life revolution is aimed at the people who maintain the status quo through social and political power, NOT victims of society, like criminals or marginalized communities. Bismuth believes that any Gem that doesn't support the rebellion deserves to be shattered, and the problem with that, is that the 'enemy' gems are all victims of a society that enforces everything on them. To shatter them, is the same as shattering that Bismuth that hadn't met Rose yet. Steven is naive, but he's a compassionate person that sees the good in everyone. Bismuth is at best, misguided, or at worst, a hypocrite that talks about 'liberating' gems, after placing them as unworthy of mercy, because they stand with the society that has taught them, and CREATED them to do so. Cant liberate the DEAD, you know?

@Peridot5xg Жыл бұрын

Oh, that ending hurt...

@scarecrow108productions7 8 ай бұрын

27:30 Looks like Bismuth has a pants problem... 😂😂😂😂

@xmant8842 Жыл бұрын

Regarding your conversation about how what bismuth wanted kind of makes more sense, i have two quotes for you. The first: "an eye for an eye and the world goes blind." The second: "we must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy"

@wtimmins Жыл бұрын

Bismuth crystals are the most fake scif-looking things ever. Go look them up! They are AMAZING.

@Jordan-gp3mj Жыл бұрын

Ah the ole moral debate episode. One of my favorites. I’m on both their sides. But let’s be honest, it’s all Rose’s fault Bismuth is like this. Locking someone up, telling everyone they died, and then changing your entire existence to be half a human child is not the best move. She should’ve written it all down and THEN hidden it in Lion. Or made a bunch of tapes.

@EwMatias Жыл бұрын

There's really not much practical point in shattering gems when you can bubble them and hopefully let them go later.

@-i_own_you_- Жыл бұрын

Oh bismuth..

@cOve_the_dragon 4 ай бұрын

31:25 PERCY JACKSON MENTION!!!! PJO FANS ASSEMBLE IN THE COMMENTS

@proctologistbarbie Жыл бұрын

goddamn I already knew I effed with you guys’ politics but that post-Bismuth discussion was everything!! it’s like you say, revolution is often violent and requires the removal of the current power base in order to take true effect; but because that isn’t likely to happen, reparations are really only possible through the routes that the privileged deign “appropriate.” who’s anyone to say Bismuth was entirely wrong? when you live under subhuman conditions for so long, the measures you will take to escape them HAVE to be drastic. the timing of this video is so great considering the current geopolitical conflicts going on this week. thanks for an amazing reaction as always, so excited for more as the deep political discussions are only just getting started!

@GreySeashell-j3m Жыл бұрын

The point is to not take both extremes. Many mistakes in the past resulted from taking an extreme side. But yeah, in some cases, you don't have a choice. Except Bismuth did, the crystal gems had another choice and Bismuth wanted the extreme to get it over and done with, barring consequences.

@luzonofficial3418 Жыл бұрын

If I was the diamonds and I saw the crystal gems using the breaking point I would invent something more sinister and powerful. I will grab all those little dirt clods crystal pebbles and grind them into a blender and siphon their minds and suffering to power massive weapons of destruction. I will invent weapons that would surpass beyond the little war crimes the baby breaking point would do. My gem colonies would create innovations that would surpass nuclear bombs and the suffering of forced fusion experiments. The crystal gems dare use that petty breaking point? Homeworld will create something more devastating and disgusting than that primitive weapon. I will harvest the pure energies of those rebels and exploit them till they break. This is the consequences of using the breaking point. The diamonds will not make the story of the crystal gems to be looked at as a saintly story after using the breaking point. Those crystal gems clod pebble dirt defective low life beings will be known for eons as mere objects that we siphon energy from for future colonies to come. The diamond themselves will use bisumuth’s laughable gem shards as personal entertainment through torture as an example of the consequences of making a primitive weapon. Overall Steven helped the crystal gems dodge a bullet 😃 Irl examples is the creation of nuclear bombs, mustard gas, flame throwers and their consequences of causing more people to create more destructive weapons.

@Runaway_idiott Жыл бұрын

I mean it’s a kids show so I get the whole “positivity and compassion” lesson but like realistically bismuth is right. Home world does not play fair so you cant logically beat them fairly

@luzonofficial3418 Жыл бұрын

@PolarExpression1225 2 ай бұрын

@@luzonofficial3418 I see your point, but what is the alternative? It's clear that the diamonds are too high and mighty to adhere to the diplomatics of these "pebbles." And the only reason steven got close enough to them was because of his relation to Pink Diamond. What if steven haven't been there, what then? I know what your getting at with the "eye for an eye and world goes blind" thing, but it's not like Bismuth's viewpoint was unjustified. If they want to stop them, they have to look like a threat. Something that can actually affect the diamonds' control. Something, that would make the diamonds listen. Sometimes, to beat a monster, you gotta BE a monster. Look at our own history: you can't win many wars by being nice. In a perfect world, this wouldn't be the case, but we unfortunately don't live in one.

@Hylianmonkeys 18 күн бұрын

Rose never would have liked the idea of bismuth shattering pink diamond. For obvious reasons.

@LucyTape 11 ай бұрын

Your videos are so fun and great❤❤❤❤

@Leechington 3 ай бұрын

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@luzonofficial3418 Жыл бұрын

@scarecrow108productions7 8 ай бұрын

28:46 *S U C C* 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@phuni8739 Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with Bismuth’s logic here. They were under oppressive rule. She stated, “I would have taken the war to Homeworld and shattered the DIAMONDS. I would have liberated EVERYONE.” Bismuth too was brought up in that caste system setting. I don’t think it’s far fetched to believe she’d also wanted liberty for ALL gems living under the Diamond authority, not just crystal gems. That isn’t to say that she wouldn’t shatter anyone else, just that that her objective was freedom over any means. She immediately accepted Amethyst and Steven as new recruits, and would likely do the same for any Homeworld gem in support of their cause. Also, we know that Homeworld is NOT above shattering. I mean look at the cluster (millions of shards) and the gem experiments! Both of which being heavily implied OR stated to have been made out of shattered crystal gems. They were at war and Bismuth was fighting for the liberation of her people. Shattering her Homeworld foes was the fastest and most effective way to get there.

@luzonofficial3418 Жыл бұрын

@phuni8739 Жыл бұрын

@@luzonofficial3418 Duh????? I still agree with Bismuth. Violent oppression can not be combated with entirely nonviolent means. And to me, the shows equivalent to this is shattering. There are a lot of things to take into account here.

@phuni8739 Жыл бұрын

@@luzonofficial3418 + I don’t think it’s useful to delve into the ‘what if’’s and the hypotheticals. What’s done is done. If Rose hadn’t bubbled Bismuth, the crystal gems’ victory wouldn’t have been guaranteed. There’s no telling what would have happened. I am not saying that they would have won. What I am saying is that I agree with Bismuth. (Or rather, her moral compass-what she’s willing to do for her cause)

@bitchcraftwitch351 Жыл бұрын

@@phuni8739 I disagree with you. In a way they are combating in an offensive way already but the breaking point is too much. It will obviously create a cycle of pain to homeworld gems. It would give homeworld the thought to do the same to the crystal gems.

@PolarExpression1225 2 ай бұрын

@@bitchcraftwitch351 I see your point, but what is the alternative? It's clear that the diamonds are too high and mighty to adhere to the diplomatics of these "pebbles." And the only reason steven got close enough to them was because of his relation to Pink Diamond. What if steven haven't been there, what then? I know what your getting at with the "eye for an eye and world goes blind" thing, but it's not like Bismuth's viewpoint was unjustified. If they want to stop them, they have to look like a threat. Something that can actually affect the diamonds' control. Something, that would make the diamonds listen. Sometimes, to beat a monster, you gotta BE a monster. Look at our own history: you can't win many wars by being nice. In a perfect world, this wouldn't be the case, but we unfortunately don't live in one.