Spectral Suite Walkthrough | Bitwig Studio 4.4

[@phild5322]

Ok fellow Bitiwg users, I suggest we all contact Bitwig to get Placidus (their CEO) to outline exactly what the future is. There was never a mention of paid add-on’s being introduced when we were buying our licences and renewals. These add-on’s feel like exactly the sort of thing that should of been included under the renewals. They’ve stated that this is the first add-on, suggesting this will be the norm now. They either need to reverse this decision, or outline exactly what the product development pipeline looks like for the coming years with regard to paid add-ons or core product improvements. Let’s not let this rest, is very concerning and feels like profiteering to me

[@hez]

agreed - the lack of transparency around plans is no longer justifiable if we don't know what's going to be included in the yearly subscription fee and what's going to be sold separately. i knew before that i was paying 170 eur a year to support a really creative dev team & benefit from all of their ideas - now i'm not sure exactly what i'm paying for

[@TheQxY]

I already send an angry email haha. I think it's best as many of us possible do to get the message across.

[@WavejumperUK]

I’ve asked them to explain how they haven’t breached contract law here and am awaiting a response. Non of this was explained in writing on the upgrade plan when we took out the plan. Any changes to it cannot be retroactive in a legal context they have to accept the terms at the point of sale.

[@podniebny]

@@comadamptog6606 As for creative DAWs you still have Renoise on linux

[@suntanbear4763]

My licence has just expired, I feel it has been good value with the functionality added between 4 and 4.3 and would have renewed. Now I don't know what will be included in the renewal and what other goodies would be additional expense. $169 renewal plus $79 for Spectral Suite is not small beer. I won't be renewing in the short term unless they need to do a U-turn on this or 4.4 is massive

[@paulgeorgmusic]

People at Bitwig. I’m fine with renewing the licence for new updates. But honestly this is exactly what i expect to get from the annual license renewal fee. I love and want to continue using Bitwig, but this really needs to be explained.

[@resonatestudiohub]

And why are we paying for the annual renewal? Just to get two minor updates per year and then pay extra for new devices?

[@gravity00x]

bugfixes mayt 😂😂😂😂

[@phild5322]

Way to piss off you user base Bitwig 👏🏻

[@JP_Idols_of_Torment]

Bitwig - add me to the list of people that are concerned. Amazing , forwarding thinking product that is defining the future of music production. You need - and deserve - a much bigger piece of the pie. Don’t scare away those loyal to you by changing your business model at this crucial stage.

[@mattiasaxelsson]

I agree with what's been written here. Everybody should e-mail Bitwig and express your concerns about this. Innovation has taken Bitwig really far, greed can change that fast. Bitwig is expensive as is, and I believe most people as well as me think it's worth it because of the pace of development going on. Most of us are probably not professional musicians that make a lot of money from our music. Bitwig should really be careful about how they proceed in the future.

[@Teckstudio]

I did ... right away after receiving their "newsletter". My first reaction "Wow, new stuff to play with" ... then I saw the price and my jaw dropped to the floor. Everyone has to send an email and everyone should under all circumstances avoid to buy this first piece of what might be the end of Bitwig at all.

[@cakefacedemolish7400]

Future? They just break their EULA and act like nothing's happened. What can we say?💔

[@alexsenf]

I never thought I’d be leaving a negative comment on this channel. I really never have anything negative to say on anyone’s channel. I’ve been paying for Bitwig since it came out, updating my license every single time. This is not the way to go, Bitwig. Sad day today.

[@bartondisplay]

This is the breakdown: 1. You pay for a yearly subscription to receive new Bitwig features as they roll out. 2. Bitwig releases new features. 3. It costs EUR/USD 80. Unacceptable.

[@segfault-berlin]

So what am I paying for with my yearly renewal now? If you're not going to give us the new goodies in the updates why should I keep renewing?

[@VoidEx13]

To be able to buy addons :D

[@stephenroldan5107]

Same I renew in a week.

[@natecornell]

Would love if these were included in the upgrade plan I’ve already purchased

[@tgoodjenkins]

I just got bitwig a month ago. Loved it. "Loved". When it says I get free updates for 1 year, I expect to not have to pay for anything that year. Boy I'm glad there's so many options these days. And my free FL 21 update is right around the corner. Along with these 4 devices Bitwig has developed a shit business model, and some pissed off customers. A lot accomplished at once. Hats off Bitwig. 👏

[@reptilespantoso]

4.4. now includes Spectral Suite! Bitwig reversed on their decision.

[@N8oRMusic]

Thank you for listening to your customers by including everything into your software again. Bitwig rules once more.

[@AgathosPictures]

I just bought Bitwig Studio thinking I was getting the full version, but this essentially changes my version to a lighter edition. I figured the cost of yearly upgrades would cover additions like this. What are the upgrade plans for if significant features are treated like premium plug-ins?

[@gravity00x]

ure not paying for anything. they are milking you. i can assure you that bugs that have plagued bitwig for years, are still present to this day.

[@Noldy__]

Damn! I thought having a yearly update won't exclude me from getting any new goodies within that period. 😔😪

[@averagebedroomproducer5008]

it shouldnt

[@tysonrogers]

Part of the fun of Bitwig is following a tutorial by Polarity music or other KZbinrs. Today, I cannot because I don’t have the same tools. If this is the future, where we all have a different feature set, I don’t see it being as much fun and less of a community aspect.

[@macronencer]

That's a great point. I think the community aspect of Bitwig is one of its great strengths, and it's a shame they chose to jeopardise that by creating a multi-tier system where not everyone has access to all features.

[@jclosed2516]

@@macronencer Completely agree!

[@JC20XX]

Today I cannot because obesity is less relatable in a few ways

[@Krell666]

Lovely new devices that are right up my alley. Unfortunate that it breaks the yearly updates model. Feels a bit dubious...

[@AlexReidStudios]

Bitwig is one of the only major companies that charge you annually for 0.XX updates. Usually those updates also include bug fixes that should be free. Even with that we were happy to pay. Now it feels that BW really is not caring about their customers. Feels like these are going to be the first paid addons of many. I Believe both business models are not compatible. Glad to know a vast majority is dissapointed.

[@Skyverb]

I agree on Bug fixes. They rolled out one that was free atleast. On pirated copies of Bitwig you get a very loud morse code message aslimg u to buy the product. Which is hilarious. They had a 3.X update (forgot which one) that made my Studio version play that until one random update they did like 2 weeks later; where it fixed the issue for me. But bug fixes shluld always be free. New features I kinda get; they are a business after all. But not bugs.

[@shitmandood]

Unlike you, I don’t pay every year for nothing. If the feature set in the next release isn’t interesting, I’ll let the renewal lapse. Even with these new tools, I don’t see any reason to pay the renewal fee, because I don’t feel they’re needed. They have to produce features in the next release that I want, then they get a renewal from me.

[@AlexReidStudios]

@@shitmandood I understamd that but there's an issue there and I can explain it with an example. When I was in 4.2 I got a bug that didn't let me use some synths. It got solved on 4.3, and if I wanted that I needed to pay. Thankfully I also wanted the convolver, otherwise it would have felt like Avid.

[@shitmandood]

@@AlexReidStudios Are you on a Mac? I'm on Win 10 and I haven't seen any bugs like that.

[@AlexReidStudios]

@@shitmandood I'm on Win 10 too

[@williamshaneblyth]

Thinking of swapping to Ableton if this is the new way Bitwig is gonna operate . Shocked . So much for my subscription

[@kris_lx]

With such a small dev team, this means that they're wasting time developing paid addons and thus it means there is less developing time for regular updates (for which we all pay for in our update plan). So not only are 'premium' devices no longer included in the update plan, a lot of developing time gets taken away from us so they can create these 'premium' devices. So in the end we still get less for the same amount of money and if we want more we need to pay extra. I guess I will no longer be renewing my update plan and by reading all comments here it looks I will not be the only one. Let's see how well their greed plays out for them, when many people just stop the payments.

[@BoopPOPO]

Exactly this only encourages more useless shit over important core evolution Bitwig is easy audio routing, the browser < that is the gold, not some dorky spectral resonators or my-first-vst chorus effects

[@natophonic]

Similar thing happened with Propellerheads and Reason... they spent an increasing amount of time on RE's ('Reason Extensions') that weren't included with updates and which (like Spectral Suite) couldn't be used in other DAWs. Meanwhile, Reason itself suffered and fell far behind, so you had a split between users seeing no point in spending $150 on a Reason 'upgrade' that was essentially bugfixes and maybe one or two mediocre RE's included, and users (like me) who switched to a DAW with modern production capabilities and could run VSTs in a stable way. Spectral Suite does look pretty great, but frankly I'll be spending my limited funds on a VST version that I can also run in Reaper or other DAWs in the future.

[@meru_lpz]

Thanks for listening to the community Bitwig

[@reptilespantoso]

THANK YOU BITWIG FOR HONORING YOUR COMMITMENTS !! Trust restored!

[@microroom1]

I love bitwig. After working with Cubase, ableton, etc. Its my best daw so far and i will stick to team at bitwig. Thnx for listening to the community and lets go together hand in hand 😊 love my bitwig ❤

[@kavokei1337]

Thank you, Bitwig, for making this right. I just renewed. I've no idea what the thinking was behind the original add-on release, but hopefully this whole debacle results in a lesson learned that keeping your user community in the picture is always a better idea than trying to slide in a fundamental change to your business model under the radar. Please carry on making awesome, innovative software - I'll keep buying the upgrade plans (even if the prices increase to keep pace with the cost of living).

[@JoshuaTMagee]

Bitwig, I'd glad to see that you listened and learned from your customers and reversed course on this decision. Hopefully it wasn't too late to do lasting damage to your brand, since Bitwig remains (at least IMO) the most exciting DAW on the market with lots of future growth potential. Please continue learning from this experience and commit to do better. Thank you for listening to us.

[@icarusz000]

The spectral suite looks awesome and offers a lot of sound design possibilities! What a shame that the brilliance of the new plugins is overshadowed by the irritating fact that it's a paid add-on which is not included in the update plan.

[@rainerzufall6512]

This would have been exactly that kind of content that would have had me extend my subscription.

[@superactivitylad]

@@rainerzufall6512 it is the exact kind of content i was expecting when i was tricked into upgrading recently.

[@TheQxY]

Honestly this might turn me off from using Bitwig as my DAW and go back to FL Studio. Ridiculous this is not included in the yearly subscription plan.

[@shivbhalla]

Bitwig could learn from FL Studio's strategy. Lifetime free updates attracts heaps of new users and ensures eternal goodwill from the userbase

[@meru_lpz]

I was considering renewing my Bitwig license, but unless the new devices are included im not sure if its worth it... the version I already got works good enough EDIT: Renewed my Bitwig license. Thank you for having listened to the community - YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!!!

[@Jixata]

This is really callous. You're charging 1/4 of the entire DAW for a small set of plugins. This on top of the yearly upgrade cost. I guess Bitwig are hoping their customer base will accept this being the new norm... How many paid / feature limited versions of Bitwig are you going to end up with?

[@СтаниславР-в7и]

I LOVE BITWIG. THANK YOU!

[@wilhelmbras]

OK, so you've just screwed your business model up here a bit. Hope you'll go back on this promptly, I will not renew my license for some trimmed-down, base version.

[@balrojmusic]

One of the promises with the annual upgrade plan was, "all future updates in the following 12 months are free", that was the deal, and i was very happy to fund the company every year, and now i will think about it and stick to the 4.3 versión for a long time unless they consider their customer feedback and respect their promises.

[@benbainbridge]

Great tools that I would expect to see included in the license renewal fee as with many other comments this isn't the way to grow or support your community it simply divides it.

[@religionoffreedom]

Yay they gave it to us! Thank goodness, because I don’t want to look for another DAW. Now it’s time for Bitwig and all of the creators to show off these new tools and convince even more people to switch to the absolute best DAW. The Spectral Suite truly puts Bitwig over the competition again, as their devices and capabilities always do. Thank you Bitwig.

[@aidarka580]

Bitwig, you were supposed to make one stop DAW for creative music production, but in the end you choose to make expansions… Hope you will figure out how to make more money other way, because now I’m feel unstable with you… I thought Bitwig philosophy is to constantly develop itself with new creative workflows and tools with hassle free subscription model. It was nearly ideal

[@traqmol4667]

Sorry, but no. You sold us the yearly subscription exactly to get ALL the new updates

[@matthewallthetime218]

Agree with all the comments so far that the business model adjustment seems outside of what was promised with the annual update plan. I love Bitwig. I would love to have these. I don’t think the price is outrageous, but I want to know what it’s going to cost to keep Bitwig up to date (with everything) *in advance* so I can make a decision. Bitwig, don’t mess with people’s expectations like this. It’s bad business. We do have other options.

[@Teckstudio]

After one day of thinking I guess there should only be one reaction (actually its three): - DON'T EVER buy this Add-One - The next one might be The Grid V2 oder Poly-Synth2030! - Write Bitwig about your feelings (don't get to emotinonal) - We paid for Studio, we paid for all, we deserve all! - Skip your next anual renewal (if possible) - Maybe invest in VCV-Rack. Or some gear. The current version will hold up for a while. And we will see what Bitwig is going for. Of course this is a great plugin, I guess - only sponsored influencers who got it free and praise it to heaven know for sure. But we paid for the development and we want our fair share. Bitwig can sell this one as a open VST to other DAWs but not to Bitwig-Studio owners who already paid in the promise of beeing rewarded by cool updates an new features. Only my thoughts, what do YOU think?

[@Andy-Kach]

This should be available for all who have Bitwig Studio Upgrade Plan.

[@progstermusic]

If these new devices had become available in the mainline subscription, the user community would I think be thrilled with yet another wonderful Bitwig innovation. They would also feel, I think, even if they didn't get their personal most-wanted request implemented this-time-around, that Bitwig was nevertheless providing very good value for the (fairly high) ongoing subscription fee. IOW, by simply continuing on the line of their successes so far, Bitwig could have retained a unified, satisfied user base happy to continue their path of creation with the software and their endorsement and financial support of the company. Instead, with this decision to stop supplying top-level creative development in the mainline subscription, Bitwig chooses to a) create a user base that can no longer count on being able to cross-load each others projects, b) to create a great deal of new, unnecessary dis-satisfaction with the value being returned for the price of the mainline subscription, and c) to actually cause a portion of their former user base to decide to deprecate or even totally leave the platform. Supporters become detractors, just like that! And the wound is entirely self-inflicted. It would not surprise me at all if the lost revenue from jilted customers leaving far exceeds the gained revenue from selling these devices separately. I suggest an immediate U-turn. (The first rule of holes: Stop digging!)

[@connorsol]

I'm part of Group C. I paid for the educational license in college a few years ago and didn't want to pay the subscription model so switched to Ableton Live 11 because they added MPE support. But I always wished I could have given Bitwig another shot. Hearing about this (even after it's been reversed) made me definitely happy I didn't pay these profiteers and happy I didn't waste time learning a software that was going to try and upcharge me to keep using it now that I'm "addicted to it". I mean what are they, Martin Skreli?

[@RababaInc]

wait - bitwig is a subscription model? where is that stated?! i wanted to pull the trigger on bitwig next week and thought it was a one time buy thingy

[@leonordmann]

My upgrade plan is to expire in a few months, so, naturally I was looking forward to buy an upgrade plan soon, maybe with a possible holiday discount. Now I'm not so sure if I'll even do that. Well I'll have to see how they handle this situation now and then will judge from there.

[@mattiasaxelsson]

Same goes for me.

[@starnak1389]

So we pay annually for a LITE version of Bitwig Studio ? It was never mentioned on the deal it's abusive.

[@KnzoVortex]

Hey you, yes you, Bitwig user concerned about this new “add on” situation, if we want our message of concern to really make it to Bitwig, every one of us should send an email of some kind to Bitwig if you haven’t already. The contents of the email/how much you say doesn’t matter so much, but we should at least let them know how we, the customers, feel about this decision directly and what our grievances or dislikes might be specifically, and what we might suggest instead etc. - and we must do so en masse.

[@hazmatproduction4562]

As stated by literally everyone else, I won’t be buying this when my update plan from last holiday season is up for renewal in 2 months & we didn’t even get a major new update version I’m that year timeframe. These should’ve been added to Bitwig studio 5 for update plan subscribers

[@TedHughes]

I am editing my comments to reflect Bitwig’s decision to make Spectral Suite part of release 4.4, and back-dating the release for those with recently lapsed upgrade plans. TY for listening and your humble and reassuring response. I’m super-excited to now be able to try out these cool new modules as part of my upgrade plan. Again, TY Bitwig. Well played.

[@日月朋克]

Bitwig, You have successfully renewed the user's trust in you，well done! 👍

[@ringthane69]

Just renewed my annual plan last week, which covers me until September 2023 (and hopefully the release of 5.0). This will probably be my last update. So now we have a $169 annual plan plus $99 "extra special packs" per year? Is this not why some of us left Ableton? If I'm paying over $200/year, why not just go back to M4L? Can't express how disappointed I am in this.

[@Overxpossed]

that's what I red about ex ableton users.

[@TerenceKearns]

for the same money you could have got reason+ with no upfront purchase. not quite the same, but not much different. At least you can trust them.

[@ringthane69]

@@TerenceKearns Reason hasn’t been on my radar but will certainly give them a look.

[@АндрейБ-ч7ж]

it's a prank?

[@AlexReidStudios]

Also, I got that these are specialized devices but... Transient splitting is becoming and STANDARD for music production and mixing since SplitEQ was launched. That one is not specialized at all. Question is: what is Bitwig going to consider specialized or not?

[@AlmerosMusicCode]

Agree, it's totally arbitrary...

[@adev8565]

If they had introduced this payment model earlier, I guarantee you that the grid itself would be an add-on.

[@buckminsterowski]

very disappointing as a subscriber. I will reconsider updating my license

[@freeborn3172]

What a terrible business and community move Bitwig. If you didn’t expect this reaction from a loyal community - that’s bad. If you clearly were expecting this and wish it to blow over (so you can rebuild your business model into an unsustainable one) - that’s way over the top. You have sooo many options to go about this, what made you choose this?

[@VidaMusicRST]

In my opinion Bitwig is cutting its own throat. I've been using Bitwig for 2 years now, and along this time I've done free advertising for the company, most of the people whom I show bitwig end up switching, for one obvious reason: the upgrade plan makes it worth it. Now it GETS MUCH HARDER FOR US TO CONVINCE SOMEONE TO SWITCH TO BITWIG since, from now on, we have absolutly no garantee that cool new devices are gonna be free.

[@hazmatproduction4562]

Not “free” if the subscription for updates costs 160 Euro

[@allenclarke9642]

Nah I'm good thanks, will be questioning my subscription plan now too. What exactly does it get you?

[@battlezonetrading]

I had full trust in Bitwig until today, they did their happy super users really dirty.

[@hiltonstroud1399]

Great Plugin idea. Poor execution by Bitwig wanting one to buy this. They are kinda already a paid subscription model with yearly cost, of course that's up to each person if they do that. It's a half way house between perpetual licensing and subsciption model. Happy to pay update/ugprade fees even yearly ones at a fair price. but it needs to include all devices/features etc. It seems most the bw users out there don't like this move.

[@phild5322]

What makes it worse, is that it feels like something that should definitely be included in the Studio licence. It sets a very worrying precedent, as they already said in the press release that this is the first add-on, suggesting this will be the norm now

[@gravity00x]

even if you wanted the new plugins, you cant buy them seperate. they require the newest version of bitwig

[@rknm777]

I'm very disapointed for this awful marketing decision. 1. The content is overpriced. 2. It should be included in subscription plan for free for users with active sub plan. 3. No info about how much of this "addons like" functionality will be in future and how it will work with current sub plan. given current direction you could expect everything (just imagine, SoftClipper+, MSEG++, ThreeNewGridVisualisations+, and so on for 50 bucks per year per device ) new provided to you via packages and you still have to pay just for the core bigfixes yearly. Note for users who considering to purchase bitwig license: this is a very bad sign. Consider switching to Ableton, S1, or another major and well known DAW.

[@tysonrogers]

Surely this is included in the upgrade plan, right? I’ve been slowly transitioning from Ableton, but may turn back if this is the future. Seems disingenuous.

[@jilbertogarcia8869]

Pay for updates yearly 100 euros and now pay too for new additions? Bitwig CEO prefers people uses Ableton, it's the only thing that explain that. Bitwig users paid 400€ for license bitwig studio, and plus 100€ more yearly for updates. What is I'm paying for? Everyone one here feel hurt cause everyone thinks the company ethics are other than that. Bitwig failed us.

[@safko_dsp]

THESE DEVICES ARE AWESOME! As an Ableton user, I’ve been thinking of making the switch to Bitwig, so after I saw this video, I decided to check out the price… but they’re only available as an add on which is extra on top of Studio… oof. I’ll hold off on switching for now

[@phoenixvette]

Don't switch, use both. Become a true Jedi

[@edgardelvalle9290]

My upgrade plane expires July 2023, and I'm not renewing. Moving back to Ableton

[@nsr3956]

best DAW by far.. thanks Bitwig.

[@CybreSmee]

Average DAW, great modulation functions.

[@bigjaysdrive-in328]

Best Ableton clone you mean.

[@AziDoesQuestionableThings]

@@bigjaysdrive-in328 i mean ableton doesn't have the Grids, but it doesn't make it any worse of a DAW, can't linear-style daws just co-exist without people trying to claim one copied another?

[@astralyd]

Aside from the price, these look interesting but I think you should focus on core features instead.

[@cldbrbn6070]

You mean like the stuff they are claiming we WILL still get with our update plans?!? 😂 yeah, not a good look!

[@gravity00x]

core fratures have been abandoned since the inception of bitwig, where they promised over the internet project collabs as the nr1 feature. fast forward, they scraped their site and the internet of them evermentioning that. Its a borderline fraudalulent company.

[@onyamalloy3820]

Sorry, the effects look great but feel that they should be included in the usual annual renewal.

[@wuezo4000]

Along with all the other valid sentiments in the comment section, I feel it would be one thing to charge a 8 or 16 track user a price to get this suite. But it feels wrong to have to pay on top of the studio package which is already supposed to have everything offered by bitwig in it

[@leonordmann]

I could also understand that money it probably tight in these trying times, but this still feels like the wrong move. Lots of people saying they will not pay anymore for upgrade plans now (time will tell if they really do) but wouldn't it have been a better choice to focus on growing the customer base to generate more revenue? If that's even the motivation behind this... Would actually like to have some sort of statement by the Bitwig team concerning this issue... If this doesn't find a satisfying direction, then I might consider switching back to S1 (even if their last update was a miss too lol).

[@mikedurden]

Wow, first the crappy update for Studio One 6 and now this, lol. Bitwig and SO6 were my favorite DAWs but this is super disappointing. Seems like a good effort was put into this spectral suite that could have instead been put into actual long requested feature requests that many people have been asking for. I myself have submitted quite a few feature updates and every time I get a “thank you for your suggestion” reply email but nothing ever comes of it. Seems like they must be busy figuring out how to get more money out of us.

[@ringthane69]

I never thought I would feel "ok" or "good" going back to Ableton. I guess I was wrong lol.

[@KozmykJ]

I'm a LOT happier with Presonus Studgio One v6 right now.

[@mikedurden]

Yeah I agree. I’m actually going to go back to dig deeper into Ableton. I think now is the perfect time to learn Max for Live which I’ve been meaning to get to but had put off since I was using Bitwig so much

[@DIABOLOS]

So you pay a yearly subscription to get all the new updates. Bitwig releases a new update: 4 native bitwig devices but they decide to call them add-ons so you have to pay extra for them.

[@dissonate]

It would seem that buying a bitwig license now gets you bug fixes, and the opportunity to buy new features for an additional cost

[@gravity00x]

so much money for bugfixes that should be free. they are delusional lmfao

[@stephenroldan5107]

Ridiculous I have to pay for this. Having the renewal option. Which I pay in 10 days. Do I get it then?

[@roninmbattousai]

So, in a similar thought to the others, fantastic set of effects to be adding. Feels a bit strange for it to be separate of the overall bitwig platform yearly renewal plan as these are plugins/effects that are tied to only work with bitwig. If your product being offered here was modular to be used on lets say as a VST/AU or even standalone, then these packs might make more sense at the cost being asked (like when the cost of a set of 4 plugins is a quarter of the entire platform and can only be used on that platform.....). It is unfortunate to see what was a really connected development group with the community to make an interesting business decision like this. I hope this goes well for you as a company, but it does appear to be a move that makes the population of users have hesistance to continue with their renewal cost being unclear as to how it is applied for the licensing features.

[@AuralFlow]

Yes, it would be more justified if it worked in CLAP format (but native in Bitwig Studio)

[@peterlambert4664]

Thanks t Bitwig we appreciate your response and your excellent daw

[@Videoboy45]

Please, please, please listen to your users, Bitwig!

[@tinnitushoersturz]

That was a bad decision. Such updates should be included in the already expensive subscription.😕

[@Eight4aWish]

Have deleted Bitwig and asked for my money back for a recent annual renewal (not really expecting to get it but there you go). Returning to Ableton.

[@josipkokot8227]

Ok as a monthly payment of Bitwig over Splice... There was a promise that Every update, thus should be 4.3.9 - free! This is breaking that promise...This reminds me of bad Propellerhead (Reason Studio) practice. I have buyed version 11 and then for month did come update with HI res (normal to people in this century) interface. The update was NOT free. How bad is that... They have lost many loyal customers... I don't know why others crave to go that same path...

[@kaiateya]

I'm so glad this has had a reasonable resolution. Thanks for listening to us, and I renewed my sub early so hopefully the business people over there will get it too ;)

[@cyberhawken]

So the yearly update plan is just for bug fixes and simple devices now? All the cool additions will be behind a paywall? Makes me want to go back to FL studio again....

[@AltaPisco]

This is insane. Incredible devices.

[@acemojobean]

Thank you, Bitwig, for making this right: "Spectral Suite is now part of Bitwig Studio 4.4, which has an official release date of October 5, 2022. Anyone with a current Upgrade Plan now owns Bitwig Studio 4.4 and the four Spectral Suite devices. We will contact everyone who purchased Spectral Suite to offer a choice of a refund or an extension of their Upgrade Plan. Moving forward, all of our Bitwig Studio feature development, including devices, will be covered by the 12-month Upgrade Plan. Your support of Bitwig Studio (and us) means more than we can say. Thank you."

[@CybreSmee]

Why are you thanking them? They buckled to social pressure when attempting to extort their user base? You sound like a simp.

[@Baphometrix]

Bait and switch 😔

[@nemirov]

I have paid for bugfixes and features that users ask for years but not for time your coders waste on paid addons.

[@blastofffpv]

And I thought Full License meant Full. What is this pay-extra deal about???

[@JC20XX]

Alright, I'll continue my splice plan. Thank you Bitwig team for listening!

[@listenfidi]

Great job adding it to the renew plan 👌👌👌👌

[@marcotronic]

Seems the guys at Bitwig now changed their minds and made the Spectral Suite official part of Bitwig 4.4 now - I just got an email. Also all future updates AND devices are part of their 12-month upgrade plan they promise. :)

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

Is it’s back to Ableton time

[@nicolasjulliard7039]

Release these as VSTs that can be used in other DAWs. That’s the only way you could justify the price.

[@stephenroldan5107]

Traktion does that

[@Teckstudio]

My thought! This one should be - of course - included (for free) in Bitwig Studio AND be sold to other DAW users as an VST. That way you generate new customers and don't scare away your already paying fan boys (like me). 😣

[@Skyverb]

@@bassc Not only that, I feel lile all Daws should become plugins. I don't use FL studio; but ALOT of my friends do. So for collabs it's super usful to load FL as a vst in Bitwig and load their FL project file inside. Plus it got me to purchase FL which I never would have otherwise. Companies are losing free money for them XD

[@captain_crunk]

R e w i r e s u p p o r t .

[@DannoBoston]

Subscription fees or add ons. Pick one but not both. Don't double dip on your customer base or soon you won't have one.

[@averagebedroomproducer5008]

How to ruin a companies reputation

[@maniacnoise]

It is also a shame that no one from Bitwig is responding to this, just wow, they don't even care! Which makes this situation even worse!

[@ThePianoSup]

I love bitwig studio so i'm buying update plan, but bitwig, WTF give me my money back if you don't give new features within this what i paid for. What is the reason to buy your update plans?

[@sx178]

Thank You !

[@aciox-yt]

Hey all I just sent an email to Bitwig's sales, and I beg you all to do the same. Only by expressing our disappointment about this new "add-on" model can we have any hope of making a difference... Thanks!

[@mattiasaxelsson]

I did too. Bitwig need to know that this is a really bad and greedy move.

[@stephenroldan5107]

Did it also

[@KozmykJ]

This is a Mal Paso Bitwig. You may come to regret this step. Bitwig Studio was already expensive, now you've made the pricing situation even worse. Is the company in trouble? Cash flow problems ? I've seen a Lot of adverts encouraging Update Plan purchases prior to this announcement.

[@thaexception3406]

Wow great suite from someone who doesn't use Bitwig!

[@MrMarcLaflamme]

Interesting that you chose to use the word "Unlock" in the branding...

[@SalkinProduction]

Sounds like some awesome devices to have in your arsenal but I really can’t understand this new way to distribute new devices to users who already are paying every year to get your lates innovations. I really love Bitwig it is one of the most innovative DAW’s out there and since I adopted it I have been recommending it all I now making music. Now I’m probably gonna hold a bit back on that because this just seems really suspicious.

[@astralyd]

I'm not buying this, i'm supposed to have an update plan..

[@partyboeller]

Just lost my trust in Bitwig. They just lost my future purchases.

[@emikaela]

well, i suppose it could be a useful option for some people to have add-ons that can be bought separately instead of subscribing to all updates. right now it seems that these are accidentally not included in the "future-proof" subscription, but surely that's an oversight that will be fixed any day now?

[@guser7137]

No that isn't the case. You have to be running a recent version of the product to use the add-ons.

[@ringthane69]

Also -- I used to evangelize Bitwig to anyone looking for something new. I feel like a fool now.

[@AziDoesQuestionableThings]

in the same boat as you, everyone usually knows me as a bitwig shill on most socials i use, but seeing this, i fear that's at risk of changing, depending on how bitwig team handle add-ons/updates going forward...