BJJ & Muay Thai Overrated?

Q&A with the coach
Are BJJ and Muay Thai overrated?

[@marcusholbert2525]

Boxing footwork is underrated. Most martial arts don’t teach you to move/fight from weird angles.

[@user-nc8dx5uy6k]

Boxing is awesome for self defense.

[@nicholasnj3778]

We saw Robert Whittaker, Katate show how effective a Karate style is … Topria showed how effective boxing can be … Karate needs more respect and people need to train it more, Coatsa kicks showed he must be training with famous Brazilian Karate coach as those kicks were all Karate

[@rwdchannel2901]

That's what karate kata are for but a lot of people think kata are stupid because they don't get its just teaching things such as proper footwork.

[@WadeSmith-oe5xd]

Footwork is everything in combat sports. Thats why I get sick of UFC and other mma promotions where most of the guys have bad footwork.

[@ronselporter4739]

they exist , but boxing is the fastest and most affordable to learn before using

[@davidtrojanowski1861]

It’s kinda funny that I came across this video. I’ve been doing Muay Thai for years and just started bjj a couple months ago. One thing I learned over the years though is that no martial art is perfect, every single one has its pros and cons. The best martial art in my opinion is the one that makes you passionate enough to consistently attend classes.

[@jainittai5104]

Couldn't have said it better!

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

Nailed it !

[@zzzzzz69]

Muay Thai is a well-established sport in one country over a long time, so the state of it is gonna be generally sharp.

[@fullmetalexorcist1687]

Elbow combos can make you survive 2 to 3 opponents at a time.

[@ioanbugheanu6836]

UFC1 was quite literally an event created to promote BJJ and the Gracie family. They pulled strings to have Royce matched against opponents he would have the most advantage against (they were real fights obviously, but generally tipped in his favour wherever possible). They also had pre determined commentary written for the commentators (it becomes really obvious really soon). The Gracie family then have a big speech at the end of the tournament promoting jiu jitsu. It was a massive success, and in my opinion no small part due to it being a grappling art as opposed to a striking one, something which was uncommon to witness in a time of mostly punches and kicks.

[@nikogdatakogo]

it was. But bjj is heavily tested during Vale Tudo years in Brazil. And it was more impressive because those who challenged bjj were trained grapplers as well practicing lula livre. So UFC helped bjj conquer US and Europe but it has a huge popularity back home.

[@cuzz63]

Thats why they matched Royce with Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn.

[@MonkeyDao9]

I saw UFC #1 and Remember that the Savate fighter almost won it with a broken hand. What if he didn’t break that hand?!

[@ThatKenpoGuy]

I am not sure that Catch wrestling, regular wrestling, or sambo would have had the same effect if they had won UFC back in '93. The big selling point of BJJ was that you had skinny and relatable Royce Gracie going against absolute units like Ken Shamrock and winning. Most high level sambo, wrestling, catch wrestling, judo guys look like athletes and aren't particularly relatable. If they had won, it's what was expected. Folks who start with more traditional martial arts like karate or kung fu often seem to be the folks who are looking for the magic that lets a smaller and weaker person beat a larger and stronger one. BJJ showed on TV it could deliver that fantasy. Now there is obviously a lot more nuance to how strength and weight work in real fighting but I don't think any other grappling art would have had the same impact cultural impact. I do think serious fighters would have been encouraged to train more grappling. That said, a lot of old school karate guys seem to have trained at least some Judo back in the day so perhaps it wouldn't have changed much at all.

[@gersonencarnacion3744]

Thats also a reason why Royce was the one who fought and not Rickson since Rickson would have been expected to win.

[@0n344]

​@@gersonencarnacion3744 spot on, it essentially funneled all the the middle class people doing karate for self defense into bjj

[@RS-kq9rr]

BJJ is magic. This is the reality. It gives a chance to smaller guys to beat bigger opponents with submission....but only if the big guy doesn't know what to do.... BJJ also developed into sizes....some blue belts can beat black belts,if they are athletic and had some other sport like wrestling or Judo

[@nikogdatakogo]

@@RS-kq9rr magic is ruined when a heavy guy learns move or two. But it still impress people and it has that technique oriented approach that helps builing actual skill. And when you are not that young - it is good to posses a skill like that.

[@michaeltwowolves3055]

I’m very grateful I got into Maui Thai while I was in the Army from my friend in my unit from Thailand. After I got out in 2009 I was lucky enough to find a gym an hour from me that is a pure MT boxing gym, clinch work etc traditional training but it also spends time with Buddha and making the mind and spirit strong also. But there are some McDojo’s around here so I get what coach is saying for sure. But in 2024 I love Maui Thai as much as 2001 when I started!!

[@gman2419]

Tell me about this “Maui Thai”?

[@w1cked001]

@@gman2419it best done while resting on the beach sipping a fruity alcoholic beverage with huts done on top of them

[@u.s.sdeadass8703]

I like Muay Thai because of how versatile it is as a striking art, the culture and respect fighters show each other is great,I'm personally not a great boxer but my elbows and knees are decent, I love the stance (despite being vulnerable to takedowns), the clinchwork is awesome and I wish Thai clinching techniques got utilized more often in MMA, and also I just love the kicks they're fun, and just feel right to me, well, the whole art does

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

My favorite martial art

[@michiel5160]

I can't find numbers, but I would argue that judo is worldwide a lot bigger than MMA and also has a higher level of competition. I don't think judo succes in early mma would have had a big impact on judo. But BJJ was a small sport back then and got a big boost from Royce Gracie's succes in the first UFC events. It really was a great marketing campaign.

[@drr398]

The difference would be that a sort of No Gi Judo specifically for mma would develop, which would lead to Judo being more effective in the streets and less of a sport

[@BWater-yq3jx]

You might've seen a return of some of the techniques not used in the rule-set.

[@michiel5160]

@@drr398 MMA guys take stuff from other arts and use it. Other arts/sports changing bc of MMA? I can't think of an example. Even BJJ rules aren't made to make it good for MMA. MMA is just another sport and not the gold standard. There is probably more money in boxing. Judo is bigger. Wrestling is bigger in certain countries. A lot of people don't care about MMA or street fighting.

[@DapperArtImagery]

I felt Judo has been understated in the MMA community. Yoshida vs Gracie was a pretty good match back then that really gave me the impression that high level Judokas could easily compete against BJJ in grappling

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

@@DapperArtImagery if the judo guy is good the bjj guy won't be able to control him in the standup and most likely won't get him to the ground as a result. Now on the ground it could go either way they are the same art on the floor.but judo has better standup technique and control to get you to the ground, generally speaking bjj would look to take you down and control you from there.

[@smitnkp]

I remembered watching Van Damme Kickboxer when I was 17-18, from the plot, he was searching for muay thai teacher but end up with a Chinese kingfu master and his Filipino niece and the scene Van Damme kicking palm tree was hilarious. It's just pure Hollywood fantasy and I thought no one would believe that, clearly I was wrong. 😂

[@user-ng9gd4vl9s]

It was a good film

[@Jeffro5564]

Movie was great but clearly you didn’t like it lol couch potato

[@Nak_Muay_Farang11]

My main issue with Kickboxer was that Van Damme used next to no Muay Thai in his fights or training sequences. Honestly, the closest thing to Muay Thai we got was him kicking the tree. Everything else was standard Van Damme high kicks, splits, and helicopter kicks.

[@evankalis]

Bjj is more defensive by nature. Emphasizing guard game etc and so for non-grapplers it might be the best first choice. Then as these atheletes dont have more hours in the day they might bias towards their fundamentals in the space of grappling which ends up being defense. To me, wrestling and boxing are more pervasive but people take those two so much for granted that they get highway blindness.

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

Hahaha. UFC 1 was a infomercial for the Gracie family. The Gracie's structured the tournament so that they could win. Can you imagine a timeline where their infomercial backfired and another martial art exploded in popularity? For example, is there an alternate reality where Sumo has become the world wide phenomenon and nobody talks about BJJ?

[@fennec812]

I think people largely misunderstand how much of martial arts is a popularity contest. Many people look for “the most effective,” etc.-and that plays a bit into it-but a lot of what the general public sees as “good” is down to marketing. That isn’t to say BJJ or kickboxing are bad. Just that people confuse their popularity in discussion as a confirmation of quality. Not always the case on a gym by gym basis. Speaking from the U.S. POV, I think a lot of people are a little… slow when it comes to thinking about martial arts, too. Years of doing this stuff now and I’m a big believer that most people think if it’s popular, accessible, represented in MMA, and (crucially) they are practicing it, then it’s obviously some high quality martial arts. In the same vein, if something is less accessible, less understood, and doesn’t overtly show up in MMA, then it must be bad/low quality/fake, etc. Which, again, not always necessarily so. My sense is that people really don’t have their wits about them when it comes to thinking about this stuff. There is a lot of immediacy bias, a lot of bandwagon fallacy, a lot of valuing things within the “norm,” and a lot of justifying one’s own time investments. None of that is particularly surprising human behavior, but a part of me is very disappointed in it. The martial arts at this point are pretty accessible in terms of information and a lot of weak thought processes can be patched up with a few basic Google searches. Instead, the cycle of weird takes and low-nuance views just seems endless.

[@Maodifi]

Great statements!

[@danielcarrillo9497]

Nicely said 😎😎

[@jasonpoilovs4903]

Understanding the nuances of a particular subject usually points to some proficiency in that subject. These black and white statements are more than likely coming from enthusiasts rather than participants.

[@NDOhioan]

I've definitely noticed there's a "specialization is bad" culture among some casual combat sports practitioners. Having a diverse skillset is good, of course, but people tend to ignore that taking at least *some* time to train in more specialized styles has its own advantages. - Boxing may be "just" punching; but it also places a heavy emphasis on footwork, head movement is an incredibly useful asset (even if you have to be more subtle with it when kicks are involved,) and it can give someone a baseline competence in striking far faster than arts with more "weapons" require. And that's all ignoring that a typical attacker's most likely going to be throwing hands, because we don't live in an 80's popcorn movie where roving bands of kickboxers assault people in the streets. - Judo's current ruleset sucks, but being good at standing throws is *still* a *really good* skillset to have. Ending up in a clinch is not an uncommon phenomenon, and being able to throw someone and remain standing has obvious utility both in combat sports and real-world self-defense. And the use of the gi has the added benefit of helping practitioners get used to fighting while wearing a jacket, which is a pretty good skill to have if you live literally anywhere that has snow in the winter. Not to mention that breakfalls are such a useful skill to have that I really shouldn't need to explain it. - Semi-contact karate gets dunked on a lot, but someone with that sort of background is going to have at least a conceptual understanding of good hit-and-run tactics. Take the time to add in more functional styles, and their karate background can be a great asset. - Even Modern Olympic Taekwondo, at the very least, is going to give its practitioners a solid amount of flexibility.

[@blockmasterscott]

Listening to you talk about the advancement of fighting styles because of the internet and stuff, got me to thinking of us guys in traditional Kung fu and Tai Chi. Our result of of increased contact with other fighting styles actually forced us to take a good hard look at our forms, and we discovered a ton of grappling techniques that we did not realize were there in the first place, and I have to say, the old masters knew what they were doing. It's just that the knowledge was lost, and thanks to having to up our game because of contact with American boxers, Muay Thai and BJJ guys, we've gone back and discovered lost grappling content in the old Chinese forms, especially Chen Tai Chi. Also, another result of the BJJ craze is a lot of traditional schools incorporate ground fighting as part of the curriculum. Traditional does not mean static.

[@zzzzzz69]

Chinese martial arts are getting whipped back into shape is it? Is the bullshido narrative soon to change with emerging proof of effective application?

[@user-zr1dr7nz8e]

Here's what people think Tai chi includes: forms, breathing, talking about magic qi power, crappy demonstrations of magic qi force. Here's what actual Taijiquan includes: stances, moves, rooting, footwork, takedowns, throws, defense against takedowns and throws, joint locks, especially small joints and neck, internal strike power and capability, strikes with the hand, strikes with the fist, strikes with the elbow, strikes with the hips, body and back, strikes against tendons, ligaments and pressure points, kicks, trapping, leg traps, analysis of applications of all moves learned, fixed grappling exercises, free form grappling with varying rules and intensities, analysis of body mechanics, probably the most sophisticated analysis of force, its generation and application of all the martial arts, Chinese medical theory, functional theories of yin and yang, functional theories of qi, study of philosophical treatises on the art going back hundreds of years, and cultivating exercises such as Qigong, which is far healthier and more power building than it appears. As well as a living lineage capable of teaching all this stuff. And a lot of teachers will teach it alongside other internal or grappling arts such as Xingyi, Baji, Bagua, Shuai jiao, which emphasize similar things in a different way. In my opinion we are yet to see the integration of the best of Chinese martial arts into MMA.

[@eyestr1]

​@@user-zr1dr7nz8e Out of curiosity, how long have you practiced Tai Chi for?

[@user-zr1dr7nz8e]

@@eyestr1 started summer of 1999

[@user-zr1dr7nz8e]

@@eyestr1First martial arts I learned was a bit of judo and ju-jitsu from my father. Then I competed in wrestling and then for many years fencing. Nearing the end of my fencing competitive years I discovered Taiji and a Vietnamese Kung Fu style, both with very competent teachers. Early 2000s I became a fan of MMA and have generally followed developments in martial arts culture since then. I followed the Taiji to China where I lived for many years though not all of that studying under teachers. I studied with a few different lineages, the vast majority of what I learned in Taiji from Chen style. A few things people don't understand about taijiquan. There is an enormous difference between lineage Taiji and popularized Taiji, and this is not only misunderstood in the West but also in China too. You have to experience it to believe it kinda and really there is no way to learn it without someone showing you the real stuff. Most people and even most people practicing Tai chi forms, even in China, have never encountered the real stuff. Also, it really does take a ridiculously long time to understand and master Taiji. I had some conception of what it was and how it worked within a few years of practice. But honestly twenty years passed before I finally had my breakthrough understanding, and while I now do actual Taiji, I still have a long way to go. As one teacher told me, "It takes everyone this long. If you got it any faster wouldn't you be calling everyone else an idiot?" If you have never experienced it, let me assure you that the skill of some of these lineage holders is unreal. But like all other arts it is skill within the boundaries of what it does, and nothing does everything. Still, Taiji is rather broad, with lots of techniques for lots of scenarios and a comprehensive approach good for self defense. Though you could say Taiji is all a single principle in the end, the principle that allows you to 'borrow force' to control your opponent. Some teachers emphasize the subtleties of push hands and other focus more on combat moves, throws, slams, and breaks. Taiji can submit, but is better suited to sudden strikes and attacks to joints and ligaments, though really there is a little bit of everything. Sword is common, sometimes you get spear, kuandao, fan or baton, though the teachers who can teach combat principles of these weapons are now few and far between. Finally I'll say, Qi is in fact absolutely central to Taiji and there simply is no way to properly perform or even to comprehend Taijiquan without having a real working understanding of Qi. It's not esoteric or theoretical or BS, not to the Chinese, and not to anyone who understands what they're talking about. Taijiquan is the flagship internal art in China, but there are many other internal arts and in some of them you will find teachers who are genuine masters and can genuinely break you into pieces. Why, you ask, do you see these MMA fighters destroying Tai chi masters on Chinese television? Well, you don't. I've seen those videos too. I was as good as the 'tai chi masters' taking part in those pitiful exhibitions after a couple years of practice. Now I could have beaten any one of them using Taiji alone. Had they showed up at the groups I used to train with half the students there at any time could beat those guys at Taiji alone, say nothing of fighting. Taiji masters don't usually show dominance by knocking you out. Instead they walk you across the room and gently sit you down in a chair and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

[@YoutubeCommenter1]

Judo might have developed in a different direction, but it would not be "more highly developed". There are still ten times more practitioners of judo worldwide compared to bjj

[@JEFFMAN90]

But Judo is slowly dying because they cater the art more to kids.

[@Szt1998]

​@@JEFFMAN90It's not the kids, it's the Olympic Committee.

[@Todo_fighting]

​@@JEFFMAN90 judo isn't dying

[@charliericker274]

This is a great take. I agree completely. Any style of fighting can be honed if there is a lot of competition under a good set of rules. If enough people partake in something, then the best practices will become apparent.

[@IDRUSKI]

So because people thought BJJ was so great after UFC, it really has become that great because so many people are practicing it. But if any other martial artist got that first UFC win, everybody would be talking about that entirely different style today. It's something to think about how if something else got that special attention at first, how it would look like today, with so many people trying to improve it, boxing, judo, etc.

[@DagwoodDogwoggle]

Normally I comment. I can't add anything. I think Ramsey's take on the question is exactly right. I've got a few years on The Coach so I was definitely training and around to see everything he discussed happen.

[@ballistic6175]

Hey Ramsey. Do you have any advice for a 25 year old boy who doesn't know what to do with themselves in life? Every option I have currently makes me depressed and I'm not sure what to do. I work out a few days a week (Strength training/ Jogging) and that helps with my depression but I still feel very lost. I'm also agnostic in belief. Hope you are well and thanks.

[@Kyzer306]

Hey Ramsey great channel and thanks for all the content. I want to pick up grappling but cant decide between Judo and wrestling so would probably end up training in both eventually once time and money permits. Which do you recommend starting with since I imagine Judo would take longer to become competent at

[@andreabrahao8285]

Are you an adult? Then go for wrestling or BJJ. Judo is extremelly harsh on your body. That's why you usually see Judo athletes transitioning to BJJ on their late 20's.

[@Todo_fighting]

Do you boxing or muay thai?

[@Kyzer306]

Adult early 30s not a stranger to sports and managed to stay injury free so far… and I do Boxing

[@aquaticstripper]

I agree with the point about the amount of practitioners. That's also why wrestling is so good, there's a version of it for basically every corner of the globe and it's been around for a really really long time.

[@marcustrebonius3410]

People go on about BJJ, but traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu is very effective in my mind! You don't start off in a prone position, it's from a standing position!!

[@RamseyDewey]

No fights start from prone positions.

[@marcustrebonius3410]

@@RamseyDewey Exactly!! On my first two lessons of Japanese Ju Jitsu, my class learned the basics of disarming a knife, glass bottle and dealing with punches. By the way, Ramsey, please watch a video by Fight Commentary breakdowns, called "Korean team takes on Streetbeefs". I was very impressed with the first Korean fighter. Koreans tend to excel in good kicking technique!

[@cuzz63]

key phrase "in your mind".

[@THEBAIRAMAN]

The only problem with BJJ and Muay-Thai in my opinion are that nearly in my country Brazil, the gyms only teaches basic-to-nothing to begginers while the coaches think they are some kind of Wanderlei Silva just from having some medals

[@yossarian_lives]

Muay Thai & BJJ are both excellent fighting systems/styles. Greco Roman is really underrated and blends really nicely with Muay Thai.

[@honigdachs.]

It's not necessarily that they're overrated, it's just that people who don't have a really deep, experienced insight in martial arts tend to think the combination of two is all you need, or that it's the ideal thing that everybody should be doing. At least for MMA. That of course hasn't been true for a very long time now, but back in the day the typical MMA gym would mostly have BBJ and "Muay Thai" (more like kickboxing with elbows) classes, so that turned into a paradigm in the late 90s and early aughts.

[@mynameismynameis666]

striking is a huge system that is hampered just by the fact that one has to worry about other things than striking as well in todays mma

[@donovankennedy1113]

I took shotokan before getting into muay thai and had the hardest time changing from that snap kick style, I think it took me a few months, but they told me I has a nice stiff jab then asked if I took boxing or karate.

[@fauxbravo]

The thing is, I don't think you have to stop doing the different kinds of kicks. You just have more options than someone that doesn't have them. I use chambered kicks and muay thai straight-leg kicks. Kinda depends what the situation calls for or what you have room/time to use.

[@donovankennedy1113]

@@fauxbravo yup I still do both depending what I feel is best.

[@ninjasolarteam]

Do a video on Yaw Yan(its an MMA kickboxing style in the Philippines. Heavily based off Arnis/kali and other styles that combine related to empty handed combat. Its like muay thai but with arnis based limbs and taekwondo splits and long high kicks)

[@RamseyDewey]

I was just in the Philippines. Whenever I asked the locals about martial arts, they pointed me toward taekwondo schools and the new Tiger Muay Thai location. In all the islands I traveled to, it was shockingly hard to find any Filipino martial arts.

[@blockmasterscott]

@@RamseyDewey I just came from the Philippines also, I ran into the same situation. For example, a gym near my family's house has an "MMA" sign on the outside lol!

[@ninjasolarteam]

​@@RamseyDewey you could at least look it up on youtube or any website like wikipedia to find out what yaw yan is? Yaw yan(sayaw ng kamatayan. Which translates to "Dance of Death" founded by Napoleon fernandez) that style is most likely mma style similar to muay thai. It is also a branch off style of jeet kune do. That style has many styles like jeet kune do and kajukenbo.

[@ninjasolarteam]

​@@RamseyDewey i know you tried to find it. Its very Rare to find nowadays and could not find it anywhere. There are a bunch of yaw yan schools and gym in some area in manila

[@thebackbencher666]

Good vid , enjoyed it.

[@phoenixknight8837]

Do traditional martial arts such as the Northern and Southern kung fu styles or Okinawan karate or offshoots of Kyokushin have a role to play in actual self-defence as opposed to the simplified judgement that it must work in mma in order to be effective? Also, have you ever covered American Kempo/Kenpo and Shorinji Kempo as effective arts? On a side note, Ramsey Dewey has the accent of an old school American actor or tv presenter. Cool to hear!

[@stephenhoang5724]

The lack of realistic sparring in many traditional martial art schools is why many of these martial artists crumble when sparring with boxers, Muay Thai fighters, kickboxers or MMA. If you spar a lot you will have few problems.

[@honigdachs.]

I'm not familiar with the chinese styles. Okinawa Karate is entirely geared towards civil self defense and is very good for that - if the dojo is taking it seriously and isn't just running through etiquette, basic training and kata performance. Kyokushin, like Muay Thai, produces extremely tough people. You will have a hard time meeting an actual Kyokushin black belt who isn't incredibly well conditioned, has bad technique and doesn't have indominable fighting spirit. That is of course extremely valuable for self defense. The "problem" I see with Kyokushin is that since most of those dojos are very competition-oriented, the training is very much geared towards that specific ruleset and a lot of self-defense specific areas tend to get neglected (throwing, clinching, grappling, punching to the head). That is of course something that can and should still be trained, but from my experience in Kyokushin gyms, few people do that.

[@HeavyMetalRonin402]

Ive asked the great Lawrence Kenshin this question and now I ask you this very question, Ramsay. Aside from full contact styles where its already present, so this question doesnt apply to them, We won't see this in our lifetime, but say, one or two hundred years from now, do you feel that the traditional karate styles will abandon the more snap style round kick in favor of the muay thai style round kick?

[@FreebyrdFayelanx]

Lawrence Kenshin is Muay Thai propaganda shill, sponsored by a Nak Muay Thai. Me: 17yrs TaeKwonDo; I hope Karate never moves from snap kicks - both snapping and MT Roundkick (found in a lot of other striking arts) are both effective, and have pros and cons, namely reach, speed and power - either plus or minus in those aspects.

[@metalface_villain]

well bjj and muay thai combined makes up 90% of fighting so they are definitely not overrated. if you take nogi bjj and muay thai and add a few elements of boxing and wrestling you are basically as complete and competent as you can get when it comes to 1v1 unarmed combat.

[@glock_9ine956]

Very well said

[@jordanjmdjmd74]

Bjj and mt make up maybe 10% lol. Ask any fighter, an almost all will say wrestling is by far the most important.

[@mlc808]

Amazingly, this statement is both a vast exaggeratoon and a vast oversimplification at the same time.

[@metalface_villain]

@@mlc808 what is bro talking about?

[@glock_9ine956]

@@mlc808 tbf I agree with what was said

[@miquelcolet6946]

I love the shirt!!👍👍

[@dirtygeazer9266]

I think grappling in general should be viewed as an excellent style bc majority of weapons self defense is wrestling and bjj techniques like kimura Russian tie etc

[@saiyanninjawarriorz]

Ramsey what's your opinion on Kyokushin Karate?

[@charlesdourado8292]

I think he has a video on the topic

[@univeriseman8008]

Its over talked about. Thered 100s of other combats

[@FreebyrdFayelanx]

Ten thousand and more apparently.

[@Laughingman9432]

Well, I've enjoyed the benefits of training. Muay Thai and Brazilian jiu-jitsu for the last 5 and 1/2 almost 6 years keeps me sharp and focused. I guess my only thing would be. They could be overrated in a sense of they are now a lot more mainstream but I enjoy them

[@kaliduncanel3356]

Anytime anyone considers a style the "best" style it thus becomes overrated.

[@basalvaro]

Coach Ramsey, take a look at this new tournament called " Kombat Taekwondo " . It's gonna change taekwondo sport for the better. Punches are allowed to the face and it's inside the cage. I want to hear your opinion about it.

[@RamseyDewey]

I’ve taken a look. No one involved has responded to me about what the rules actually are.

[@basalvaro]

@@RamseyDewey cool that you've taken a look. Maybe later they'll answer you. They are still new in the game.

[@jaynemoon5659]

@@RamseyDewey Hello mr Dewey . I’ve been reading jack dempsey book and it’s helped my punching power so much. My question is should I study a Far Eastern martial art such as wing chun or karate as they might have a different technique to creating a powerful punch . There’s apparently a Japanese term for a karate strike called ikken hissatsu meaning one strike one kill . Is there anything I’m missing out on just by using Dempsey method ? I’m an mma fighter . My name is ares from England . Hope you can respond and explain on KZbin as I watch your channel a lot . Thank you

[@thunderkatz4219]

Love your videos I do karate and judo

[@EvilWeiRamirez]

I think you should have said savate instead of judo, catch wrestling, sambo, etc. Gerard Gordeau was Royce's competitor in the final round, but Gerard was kinda seriously injured. Iirc, he broke his hand, and had a few teeth impaled into a foot from his earlier bouts. Round housing a guy to the face doesn't always work out the way you want it to.

[@RamseyDewey]

If Gerard Gordeau had won UFC1, nothing would have changed. He was a kyuokushin practitioner, by way, labeled as “savate” by the promoters for some reason. Everyone already believed in karate. It would have been business as usual.

[@timehrenfeld234]

Every martial art has strengths & weaknesses, and BJJ & Muay Thai are no exceptions. However... anyone who is trained well in one or both of those is a problem.

[@Todo_fighting]

Both taught properly are the best.

[@FreebyrdFayelanx]

@@Todo_fighting Almost any martial art taught properly is the best.

[@nikogdatakogo]

Catch wrestling routine and ruleset is basically very taxing of one's health. There is the reason why it has historically AS A SPORT evolved into freestyle wrestling. You cannot effectively promote catch as it is (with allowing grabbing fingers and some nasty cranks). It will not achieve the popularity because it is very damaging in a training process.

[@TamadorStoneskin]

The 4 most common martial arts for mma are boxing, wrestling, maui thai, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Of those 4, BJJ and maui thai are usually the funnest to train. Therefore they get the hype. Doesn’t mean that other martial arts don’t work in mma, just that those 4 are most common.

[@ralfhtg1056]

About numbers: For Karate it is estimated that there are between 60 and 100 million practitioners. And I once heard somebody say for Judo the numbers are slightly bigger.

[@RamseyDewey]

As far as judo and taekwondo, you can get fairly accurate estimates of how many people practice those since they have a highly regulated central governing bodies. Karate is much more difficult to estimate since there are hundreds of styles across the world, and even the largest karate governing bodies only oversee a handful of them at most. So you will find a lot of radically different claims about how many people practice karate across the world… including self reporting from individuals claiming training they don’t actually have from lineages that don’t exist. It’s hard to sort out.

[@ralfhtg1056]

@@RamseyDewey indeed. I just quoted the range of numbers I came across over the years. The number of roughly 100 Million Karate practitioners is the estimate of the WKF.

[@Andres-bz7dq]

As a pro mma fighter who base is Muay Thai and wrestling. I took a pro boxing fight as an excuse to work on my hands I lack it I need it it's so underrated. Boxing over Muay Thai for mma all day imo

[@fullmetalexorcist1687]

On the street you have to avoid going to the ground. Boxing and Kali are phenomenal. Panantukan is the evolution of boxing. I myself wished I would have gone to a Kali dojo instead of a Wing Chun kwoon.

[@ElDrHouse2010]

a bit by some fans, some jiu jitseiros are geuninely arrogant and think their martial art alone has no flaws i see them sometimes, critizice bjj once for one flaw and you get an army of Gracie Jiu Jitsu cultists on your comment section saying its the best thing ever, flawless, beats everything else because they watched UFC1 & Gracie beat a bunch of people with no grappling experience (couldnt beat the wrestler Ken Shamrock tho). If anything Wrestling is what has always been underrated. Muay Thai is neutral, i seem some people that say its the best of the best & other humble fans that know it needs wrestling & submissions to compliment it.

[@mlc808]

There's BJJ backlash because of the fanboys who think it's some perfect magic solution to fighting. Combine that with all the vids of BJJ guys just pulling guard without any offense and smirking like they've accomplished something. That's not fighting. BJJ is just a (boring) sport now.

[@mlc808]

You don’t have to do boxing to learn striking. You don’t have to do wrestling to learn grappling. And someday, the BJJ fanboys will accept that BJJ isn’t the only style with submissions, and the MT guys the same for striking with legs (though they are not *nearly* as vocal or obnoxious. I think this is what annoys people: the attitude that MT and/or BJJ are ‘the answer’. They certainly have some good answers. But they aren’t the only, or even necessarily best paths there for every individual fighter. The specific style is like the 3rd most important ingredient in fighting. Maybe.

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

I do agree with Ju Jitsu, but Muay Thai can be a give or take the sport provides dangerous offense but defense leave you open in an mma fight. I think boxing is becoming a big part of the sport and underrated Sean Strickland showed just the basics of boxing can take a long way in mma Great video tho and insist

[@klsecond5755]

want to bash Jiu Jitsu but you can't even spell it smh.

[@Jayy_Kicks]

BJJ and Muay Thai are not the be all end all of Martial Arts. I'll be glad when people start respecting each other as Martial Artists regardless of the style they practice or the reasons they do it. It's been getting annoying seeing a lot of people in the community act like if you don't do MT, Wrestling, or BJJ what you practice is ineffective.

[@Todo_fighting]

It is annoying seeing those persons sayings what about the stance, what about legs, what about this and that, people like to practice different martial in their pure form, not everything has to be mma.

[@FranciscoElBrutal]

Well…BJJ is Basically Just Judo! 😉Seriously though, good content. BTW, I tried my first Sanda class this past Friday. I had fun and it actually feels good to spar - keep in mind I’ve never took any striking arts.

[@tamamalosi]

What if Dan Severn had won his final against Joyce Gracie? Would freestyle with Hammer Fists, Slaps, Elbows and Head Butts be king?

[@FreebyrdFayelanx]

Great ways to strike without gloves, unfortunately their banned techniques in Bare Knuckle competition.

[@AngryGrape1337]

In what world is Muay Thai and BJJ overrated? If anything, they're still underrated. Sure you see a lot of Muay-Jitsu guys in UFC, but that's us watching the sport of MIXED Martial Arts, plus we're seeing an endless deluge of other stylists since the early 2010's from backgrounds such as Karate, Taekwondo, Kenpo, Kung Fu, Wing Chun, Sanda, even Lethwei. Lots of people know about UFC, but if you asked them about Muay Thai, they'll look at that question as if it's from Mars. I still think Boxing is the most overrated martial art there is. I still have to hear about KZbinrs playing Boxing.

[@JEFFMAN90]

How is boxing overrated?

[@AngryGrape1337]

@@JEFFMAN90 It's just everywhere in our culture. We're still not over youtubers boxing, people who have no business in combat sports at all. I mean, it's just way more prominent compared to Muay Thai (at least here in the States) and in the outside world, you would be more likely to hear about Boxing than Muay Thai and MMA. It's underrated in the realm of MMA because most UFC fighters' striking is more Kickboxing-based and only a few are fully Boxing-based(i.e. never throwing kicks).

[@klsecond5755]

@@AngryGrape1337 you can't say which people have any business in combat sports smh, we are meant to be promoting it instead of gatekeeping. Be better.

[@AngryGrape1337]

@@klsecond5755 Well obviously not, but I can say that there's a difference between hobbyists and athletes. Rodtang and Tawanchai are athletes, KSI and the Pauls are hobbyists pretending to be athletes. If they want to make it as athletes, by all means, go for it. But they must be athletes, because the issue was all KZbinrs are doing is play fighting and pretending to be serious. It's actually a good thing combat sports doesn't accept ANYBODY except skilled athletes.

[@klsecond5755]

@@AngryGrape1337 You can never pretend because there is no cheating the sport, you can start whenever and still be athletic as some are more gifted genetically. KSI and the Pauls seem athletic enough but Jake is definitely delusional for believing that he can fight Canelo as well as become world champion. The top KZbinr boxers have had grueling camps with other pros and trained like professionals but some of them don't have that mentality. It's a huge counterproductive negative because combat sports is a business at the end of it and has been effective in helping others find themselves in new peak conditions.

[@GrinningNimbus]

There are quite a bit of vudeos of guys kicking poles and stuff for muay thai. If you're new and looking it up and your algorythm isn't set up for martial arts channels they show up really fast

[@terencejeffries5359]

how do all? in the '70's in auckland city [ 200,000 ], 4:1 karate / judo clubs though police youth citizens association every 3rd suburb had boxing with some judo training available. no karate at most. cheers, taztez

[@honigdachs.]

That's one of the most important arguments that everyone somehow forgets. On the internet people constantly talk about being a "complete fighter" and how if you don't incorporate XY, basically everything you're doing is crap and a waste of time. But you can then also kind of tell who's actually training anything and who is just a talker on the web. As you said, how many people are actually able to do all this stuff? In most places, you'll have a hard time finding ONE gym that actually offers GOOD boxing, BJJ, karate, judo or Muay Thai. That's already a problem right there. Then there's the financial aspect. A membership in any good school, gym or dojo costs 80 bucks at least. How many of those can you afford? Then of course, in order to become somewhat good in anything, you'd have to attend training at least 2x a week. And then there's the fact that a day has 24 hours, a week has 7 days, and supposedly you're a person with more or less standard human anatomy that can only take so much strain within a certain time frame. And at least some of us are actually adults who have a life to run and manage. So I'm not quite sure what these people are talking about. The reality is, if you can find one good gym and devote your time to doing one thing right, you're already way more competent in terms of fighting and surviving than most people out there, period.

[@willhocks19]

Surely Khabib’s techniques demonstrated highly developed sambo and wrestling? I do understand your point about the early UFC being biased towards BJJ, and the disproportionate popularity that allowed it to get.

[@w4rf4c39]

I think the fight that propelled BJJ to the front of the line was Daniel Severn vs. Royce Gracie. A true David vs Goliath of the time

[@WadeSmith-oe5xd]

Naoya Inoue proved that vertical fist punches work in pro boxing. I think boxers are way behind China and Okinawan style straight punches. I think Muay Thai could improve by practiciing vertical fist straight punches, but we had elbows and knees in Okinawan Karate already. But yeah, Jiu Jitsu works. We cross-train in both Japanese and BJJ styles.

[@somebodyperson1741]

Vertical fists have always worked

[@Sbv-25]

Jack Dempsey taught the vertical fist in boxing and that was in the 1920s!

[@WadeSmith-oe5xd]

@@Sbv-25 Well, there isn't much good video from back then. At least I haven't seen it.

[@Sbv-25]

⁠@@WadeSmith-oe5xdIt was taught in his book “Championship Fighting”. Ramsey explained the technique in video form but still recommends you turn the first (at the very end of the motion) as a defensive measure (the shoulder roll from turning the fist protects against counter punches)

[@cuzz63]

"I think boxers are way behind China and Okinawan style straight punches." lol.

[@KentPetersonmoney]

Afte4 watching outlander it had me thinking. What if a modern martial artist went back in time and fought someone say in the 1820's. Would that guy dominate everyone in a fight? Would a female mma fighter dominate the fights with the male fighters from that time period? Just thought this would be an interesting topic ramson.

[@RamseyDewey]

Most modern martial artists would get choke slammed by Abraham Lincoln.

[@YitroBenAvraham]

Fact: most fights get finished one way- punches. Boxing is the most lethal art in mma. The data proves it. Anyone who says otherwise it spewing bullshit.

[@MartialArtUK]

They are all great styles but they also cause the most serious injuries . Also encourages violence for money . Sambo is also great. But we must remember that these styles are all re brands for marketing the orginal styles and fighters , they where diffrent , all martial arts are good at what they do, everything changes, good martial artists should remain humble no matter what style.

[@imactuallyimmortal]

Love the shirt 💀

[@nitkis419]

Question for the coach: Ilia Topuria dropped Volk like a sack of potatoes saturday. Why does it seem, that some people just have incredible God-given power? How much of it is genetic? How much can you improve it by training? You rarely see fighters at featherweight doing what Topuria does, dropping people OUT COLD with one or two shots. If you were Volkanovski's coach, how would rate his gameplan? Would you have done something different? And the last question, why do you think 33 is the age after which fighters start to seriously decline?

[@MartialArtUK]

When we compare martial arts you over look two things . In striking, it's a big diffrence between striking in gloves to no gloves , whats more real for self defence? Not competition ? They are both very diffrent situations. And in Grappling people say grappler Easy take down a striker , but where? On a matt made for falling over ? How much Grappling happens on a pavement? Grappling for competition or for self defence real life scenarios is very different. We don't talk about that all the focus is proving on the play matts with the soft walls and all the body pads. Is that realistic? Is that the best martial art ? What about injuries? Is the best martial art the one that damages the student the most? Or aggressive? Or is it a style that makes people more intelligent and healthy ?

[@mlc808]

So you've never seen the kind of fights where the wrestler slams his opponent to the concrete? Why do people forget that wrestling isn't all scrambling around on the ground for legs. Throwing is a huge part of it (and doesn't require the thrower hitting the ground).

[@theimpaler5034]

I took up MT I liked it for the fact western trainers are rude and arrogant the thia trainers are so humble it reminded me of my uncle who was a pro boxer/ promoter most western trainers think there really tuff and can beat anyone

[@Abrecanx]

6:03 “new year Week?” That’s a bit intense.

[@sherman90210]

If you are a master in boxing and wrestling, you can train bjj and muy thai. But, if you dont, go back to gym, and train boxing and wrestling till you become one

[@dospulgasenunperro]

Can you give us your opinion of Topuria

[@eamonwilkinson2333]

He's good

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

Not exactly, but I'll say that just from my own personal view and opinions, Muay Thai from my understanding of it is essentially the original version of MMA minus the groundfighting and submissions in general for entertainment purposes. And is the probably the best art as is without adaptation specifically for mma. 2nd would be japanese jui-jitsu but you would need to make some adjustments to that. Bringing me to bjj , specifically the emphasis on groundfighting which Is most of the art, i just personally see as an illogical inefficient approach to a combat situation sport or "in da streetz" unless that's literally the only fighting ability you have. Not saying you can't make it work and if it's all you have then go for it. but it's definitely not optimal to fight on the ground, all aspects are worth training but not all should be your go to strategy. And obviously I'm nobody so my opinion doesn't actually matter but many before me and many right now would and have had very similar views and opinions.

[@codylasik1380]

OM u r a damn goober bro!! 😂 funny n I would want u as my trainer but a goober lol.

[@nicholasnj3778]

Ken Shamrock was a Catch Wrestler and lost to Hoce/ Royce , Ken was also "jacked" as they say so I'm not sure it would have had the same affect ....

[@cuzz63]

Obviously it was all set up to let Royce win. lol

[@travesty-studios]

Striking has a lot more variables compared to grappling, especially in terms of luck.

[@owainkanaway8345]

I am not a fan of Muay Thai. I am more of a fan of the other kickboxing styles such as Savate and Sanda. Unfortunately there are hardly any Savate or Sanda gyms in the US.

[@lifeisgreat1718]

Sucks for you. High level Muay Thai is great.

[@owainkanaway8345]

@@lifeisgreat1718 It doesn't suck for me you clown, it's just not my style.

[@owainkanaway8345]

@great1718 How does it suck for me? You don't even make any sense. It's just not my style.

[@owainkanaway8345]

@@lifeisgreat1718 Sucks for me? It doesn't suck for me. It's just not my style, you piece of ****.

[@owainkanaway8345]

@@lifeisgreat1718 It doesn't suck for me you clown. Muay Thai is just not my style, what you don't understand?

[@MannElite]

Boxing counters everything besides wrestling, Also, BJJ is useless without wrestling. You would think that Muay Thai is superior to boxing because it includes more strikes, but its not really the case. Staying defensively sound and fighting behind a good jab, and straight right when needed will pretty much top any other striking art, this has pretty much been well tested and established now.

[@EugeakaEugene]

Most martial arts and mma fans are clueless about martial arts that Hollywood and Olympics ruined with greed and charlatans. Judo used to have leg locks. Shotokan karate that belongs to organization like JKA is a rare thing, but this is where there is no excessive bouncing like you see in WKF which is Olympic thing now. And contact is welcomed in JKA, but overshadowed by WKF organization. Next thing is that people think Karate is not legit and there is only Shotokan and Kyokushin or American "karate". But there is more than these styles and most traditional styles are Okinawan styles like Goju Ryu, Uechi Ryu and Shorin Ryu. No fancy high leg kicks. No bouncing. Kumite (sparring reminds Combat Sambo) because you punch with gloves, throw, submit and its good for street fighting, wasn't ment to be for competitions. Sad most ignore this. Goju Ryu can belong to other organizations who are more sport oriented, but real version never competes and not belong to sports organizations because of tradition not to be ruined by becoming hungry for money sport. The more people explore, do research, the bigger arsenal they have. If you are only relying on 2 or even 4 martial arts it can be not enough and your style becomes too predictable. I think Sanda, Combat Sambo, Japanese Jujutsu, Karate and French Boxing Savate are so underrated and overshadowed just by marketing that Muay Thai and BJJ have. Islam Makhachev, Merab Dvalishvili are sambists. Robert Whittaker's standup is Boxing, Hapkido and he is also a black belt in Goju Ryu

[@rwdchannel2901]

If UFC 1 was won by a Sambo guy who said Gracie wasn't allowed to wear a gi and had to wear shoes then I could see how people today would say it was rigged by the Sambo guy. That's what Gracie did to Ken Shamrock when he said he wasn't allowed to wear his wrestling shoes. At least Sambo guys would be more accurate at saying its a fighting system that can work really in the ring and outside of the ring seeing Sambo includes boxing and throwing. BJJ classes these days aren't even teaching boxing techniques and people such as Rener Gracie act like choking someone out to the point of passing out is somehow more humane than simply punching someone in their solar plexus and walking away.

[@sclg560]

Kinda. If you don’t wanna be Brandon Ortega you need to wrestle. That said he is still good.

[@ericschaab5135]

On one hand, disciplines like jiu jitsu, taekwondo, judo, etc... Have more practitioners. On the other hand, the rule set on competitions became stricter, and now those arts are not as spectacular to watch as they used to!👎😔

[@jonpaul3868]

BJJ destroyed by Saku, and Muaythai... You know what happen to Rodtang. No single MA is "the best"

[@jg3000]

Catch wrestling was already really advanced. It just seems like BJJ is becoming catch wrestling.

[@M_K-Bomb]

I have a question for the coach and don't know where to post it. So I'll post it here. My question is what is meant when you (Ramsey Dewey) say they can't fight? This mainly pertains to self-defence guys. I can understand that if it's a matter of showing flaws in their fighting techniques, as in techniques that don't work, or bad form. For example kicking with no hip rotation, or dropping their guard and having their neck exposed. But, just saying someone can't fight, sounds a bit like being a bully and just saying they aren't that good fighters. Personally, I'm more concerned of the validity of the information they can provide rather than if I could beat them in a fight. Not saying you (Ramsey Dewey) do it, but, I don't like some of the elitism around martial arts. And, it's all over the place with traditional, self-defence and in combat spots. I say this as someone who has turned to training by myself as an interest in martial arts for personal fun, learning, exercise and of course self-defence. But, tends to be an exercise to the most to be honest. Yeah, doing it by myself just works out better suited to my life and a lot of my goals. And, none of those goals are to be the best fighter around.

[@RamseyDewey]

Can’t fight = inability to intelligently defend oneself in a violent altercation

[@M_K-Bomb]

@@RamseyDewey Yeah, but defend themself from the average person, like someone who has just done a year or two of martial art or someone who is a good fighter who has done five years or over? See when I took an MMA class I was the least skilled, but if I kept with it, rational would say I would be better at defending myself against people who just joined. See you being a skilled and a well-trained fighter talking about someone who isn't at the same level as you may just sound like boasting. I guess the question would be if a student of yours trained for five years and was still losing a lot of sparring matches to others with the same amount of training but won against people with less. Would you say they can't fight? I think that makes it easier to understand. Sorry for the need for clarification., though you are criticising people on the thing they do as a profession (self-defence, Krav Maga instructors).

[@M_K-Bomb]

@@RamseyDewey Thinking about it further, I'm guessing you mean basic intelligence not highly intelligent. That being said that's worrying. I'm also like, why not. All the reality-based self-defence and Krav Maga stuff I see starts to look the same and repeat. So for myself I would (and do) want to move on to develop further skills.

[@Sbv-25]

Ramsey how do i escape a whizzer from standing? I only see whizzer escapes from the ground on youtube

[@RamseyDewey]

Relax, let your arm go limp and wiggle out.

[@henrygeiger8520]

It’s pronounced: Shang-high

[@SINdaBlock411]

a judoka would never misbehave like the Gracies did, completely different culture from Brasil, zero machismo and all about honor and respect and dignity

[@cahallo5964]

I believe muay thai is overrated yes, I don't think it's a bad art or anything of that matter, that'd be delusional to say, but people on the internet pretend it makes you undefeteable and inmortal, same with bjj in the grappling department.

[@yamazaki997]

Khosai , Chatchai , Samart - transferred well to boxing . Great muay Thai fighters never shinned anything other than pads and bags . Yes bjj is overrated but only by people who train it - can you win a fight from your knees and by not punching ???😂I think cross training is only way. Bjj , wrestling boxing and Muay Thai are 4 pillars of mixed martial arts .

[@jlogan2228]

They are not themselves over rated, the priblem is every asshole online who either name drops them to sound cool, makes them out to be the best of the best without question, or whose only references are sports or movies.

[@charlesgraham9954]

lol, i don't see how anyone could ask if Mauy Thai is overrated, parts of BJJ yes, but nothing about Muay Thai is overrated. Muay Thai is better than boxing as a whole.

[@SINdaBlock411]

if anything jiu jitsu's been watered down due to popularity, unless buttscooting and pulling guard (looking at you Mikey Musumeci, you better not start crying again like you did with Sneako) is your idea of "advanced", in a real fight any legit samboist, wrestler or judoka would destroy most jiu jitsu geeks and nuthuggers out there

[@SINdaBlock411]

overrated doesn't even begin to describe what bjj and muay thai are

[@SINdaBlock411]

sambo is not overrated at all, even if some Russian guy would've been in UFC1 instead of those Brazilian con artists, they would not have needed to cherrypick any opposition in order to dominate, sambo is what bjj claims to be, but unlike bjj people samboists are TRULY HUMBLE (not the fake humble people like Joe Rogan, Jocko Willink and Rener Gracie keep promoting) ... in fact, Sambo, judo and wrestling are the very reasons why bjj became so hyped up to begin with because Brazilian newspaper articles literally showed an open invite from the Gracies for UFC1 candidates and it literally stated "NO WRESTLERS ALLOWED" or something in those lines ... had a guy like Fedor or Aleksandr Karelin been in the early UFCs, Royce and even Rickson wouldve been squashed like pancakes, so making that comparison is strawmanning at best since Sambo, unlike bjj, doesn't need to brag nor pretend, it's already dangerous and effective enough as it is, even without the hype, unlike bjj people, wrestlers, samboists and judoka let their actions and results speak for themselves, bjj people can't do that, they need the hype, the drama, the insults and the whole 9 stinking Brazilian yards

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

I called 911 like five times asking them, excuse me Are fireworks legal in NY? The answer is no. Then I went on and told them that on 4th of July we were stopped by the bridge. The river here shooting off fireworks and we were given finds and our fireworks were taken away So then I said but you allow these communists to have more freedom than Americans in America. Americans can't celebrate 4th of July, but the communists can celebrate New Year's and whatever else celebration they do that involves fireworks like the opening of a new store. They're always setting off fireworks. It don't even have to be a holiday. They just do it every single day of the week. As I was writing this fireworks were going off.

[@ruledtrendy5066]

The UFC was created to advertise Gracie Jujitsu so I guess the UFC is effective 😁

[@cuzz63]

While the statement is true, there was always the risk of it backfiring.

[@hanz1491]

Muay Thai? No. BJJ? Most definitely. BJJ is great but has definitely been getting exposed the last couple years in MMA. It just does not seem as offensively effective as other grappling arts, especially since a lot of BJJ guys do not have or care about having good takedowns.

[@mlc808]

And! There’s nothing remotely useful about scooting around on your butt like a dog with worms that is useful in ‘actual combat’.

[@klsecond5755]

actually get a stripe before hating on a sport you can't do.

[@osamamanan2723]

Sambo fighter would have chewed bjj in my opinion. But I dont know how to fight😂

[@FreebyrdFayelanx]

Ramsey, these two arts are enormously romanticised online. 100% they are overrated. I also think some people are amazingly dumb, know nothing about martial arts and can't read between the lines: All those Saenchi, Buakaw guys fought as 5yr old children! Yes, children! They have amazing skill and became famous. But it could have been almost any striking art! There are very, very, very controversial and disturbing videos on KZbin of 5yr olds in Thailand, fighting. The only thing that Muay Thai has over Taekwondo (TKD, my martial art of 17yrs) and other striking arts, are the much more realistic rulesets as opposed to point-sparring and competition - which is debatable whether you want to do a possibly safer sparring or sport competitions or not. Maybe there are less McDojo places? Maybe? It is however, a a GREAT martial art with great fighters like Saenchai and Buakaw. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i53Xk3ehebt-qa8 BJJ is a great martial art and king-of-the-ground martial art, although, not the only martial art with ground techniques, nor are they all are original techniques. However, outside of one versus one opponents, is it the best? I believe it's possible to subdue multiple opponents, but it's very unlikely. To use myself as example, if I had poured all my enormous amount of time into BJJ instead of TKD, I'd be phenomenal at subduing (singular) bigger guys and striking martial artists. However, I think I'd very likely not be good at subduing more than one opponent, by comparison I really do think I could defend myself against a few guys at the same time, and win, if there was an obvious prelude to the fight.

[@sincityinfinity6255]

Ni shao han yu ma?

[@RamseyDewey]

你会写汉字吗？

[@sincityinfinity6255]

Wo bu hui han yu. I may have not wrote this correctly, I don’t know how you typed in mandarin symbols so I’m obviously doing pinyin. I’m not fluent but I do practice mandarin every day. How long did it take to become fluent if you are fluent? I’m assuming you’re fluent living in China. Ni jia ra zhong guo.

[@RamseyDewey]

@@sincityinfinity6255 My Chinese sucks. I'm not fluent. Fluency means being able to carry on meaningful conversations. I'm not there yet. I can read characters better than I can speak. Trying to communicate in pinyin is problematic in the long run because there are hundreds of characters that share the same sounds. We're not just talking about lexical ambiguity, I mean lexical incomprehensibility. If you want to write in Chinese characters, your computer or device should be equipped with the option to add the languages and keyboards in the options menu.

[@sincityinfinity6255]

How is it living in a place where you don’t speak the native language fluently? Is it common for people to speak English there? I assume not but maybe the Chinese people can accommodate with you.

[@stefankeeney8462]

Nah Ramsey not gonna lie this kid has a point, if you look there IS some of these poor videos it’s fuckin wild 😂😂😂

[@dr.floridamanphd]

I think BJJ is way overrated. But I think Muay Thai is invaluable for training and conditioning.

[@FreebyrdFayelanx]

The 80's Kickboxing world champions were generally Karateka, Taekwondo and Kung-Fu practicioners who undertook other martial arts too, e.g., Benny the Jet (Karateka, Boxing, Judo); those arts all have knees and elbows too.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

@@FreebyrdFayelanx this applies more to the MMA bros than anything, but when I see someone saying “I study Muay Thai!” it’s because they throw leg kicks and pretty sloppy ones at that. And they tend to have some gnarly leg injuries themselves as a result of a lack of proper conditioning. While other modern martial arts incorporate elbows and knees to a degree, it’s not quite to the extent that Thai fighting does. They also don’t incorporate the type of conditioning needed for bone hardening/strengthening that you see in Muay Thai. If you go old school, and see how the OG masters trained, absolutely. But most of that type of stuff isn’t part of the syllabus anymore. My older brother took karate lessons (forgot which style) back in the 80s and they had to do knuckle pushups as part of their conditioning so that you don’t readily hurt your hand when punching someone in the face. That seems to be missing from many schools/dojos today.

[@klsecond5755]

@@dr.floridamanphd BJJ isn't overrated though

[@dr.floridamanphd]

@@klsecond5755 it absolutely is. If you want to learn grappling then look to Japanese jiujitsu, judo, or sport Sambo. Combat sambo is an entirely different beast. Ken Shamrock, nearly 30 years ago, showed how easy it is to nullify BJJ.

[@klsecond5755]

@@dr.floridamanphd Ken got beat by Gracie. Grappling is mastered by wrestling and every tier list you can find would prefer BJJ over JJJ, Judo, and Sambo. Can't beat the statistics over effectiveness.

[@aquaticlibrary]

BJJ is definitely overrated at this point. It was all just fabulous marketing

[@klsecond5755]

isn't, you jut can't get a stripe.