BJJ vs Wrestling - Narrated Roll - Coach Firass Zahabi

In this episode I narrate a video I posted months ago rolling with Johnny Yates a decorated Greco-Roman wrestlers. This video is meant to highlight some of the interesting exchanges that occur between these two different grappling arts. Special thanks to Johnny for rolling with me and allowing me to film it even though this is bjj is not the discipline he is trained in.
Train at Tristar Gym contact Tristar dorms at [e-mail] let us know what date you would like to come down and receive a quote for you stay.
checkout timtam.tech they make the worlds best deep tissue therapy device.
checkout jujiclub.com and pick up my instructional videos on "Reverse De La Riva Lockdown" position and be sure to checkout "Zahabi's Pass Prevention Favourites"

[@frankysharpp]

1:02 "they are both great grappling arts.. ..blending the two together is the ultimate"

[@n0simpathy304]

Ehhh... Judo. Don't forget judo.

[@treroney4720]

@@n0simpathy304 especially against a wrestler

[@pigheartsmith2218]

Wrestling, judo and bjj = Unstoppable grappler

[@anotherguy5038]

John 14:21

[@OlivierTravers]

Summary: Don't bring shoes to a heel hook fight!

[@elenchus]

but DO bring heels to a shoe fight

[@jonnybrigs4862]

@@elenchus Steel caps and big tread > Heels

[@DaneJiujitsu]

Don’t bring your heel hooks to a street fight

[@elenchus]

@@DaneJiujitsu yeah you wouldn't want to end it too quickly. Street fights are rare and must be savored, so go for a complex and subtle technique like a triangle choke

[@yaboi-km2qn]

Don’t get in street fights.

[@orangecountyyouthsportsaca2614]

Greco-roman wrestling does not allow opponents to touch the legs. So his stance and Leg Defense weakness plays directly into BJJ.

[@randall172]

hey you can play baseball and ill play soccer lets see who wins!

[@rye-bread5236]

Yeah until the bjj guy gets suplexed on his bloody neck on something other than mats.

[@29beer]

Ryan Dravinski man your stupid

[@markwhite4348]

@@rye-bread5236 the bjj guy can also wrestle.. everything the wrestler can do, the bjj guy can do.. and does (by the 100s and 1000s of hours at the high levels) everything the bjj guy does, the pure wrestler has not been exposed to it all wrestling is naturally incorporated into bjj.. yet here you are, comparing the two as if they are apples and oranges.. which is not the intent of this video or firas you said in another comment that you trained bjj.. it is so obvious that you don't

[@rye-bread5236]

@@markwhite4348 Bullshit. I'll call it right there. A bjj guy cannot shoot as well as a wrestler. That's illogical af? I will admit both are important bjj does have it's place. My preference is sweeps (pendulum being my fav.) The guard work and subs of bjj is my focus. That is true. Bjj is foreign to wrestling. Why can I not compare two sports/arts? While it's true in no gi bjj there is some wrestling. I didn't see any in Gi style Gracie barra when I trained. I train but more for mma so in a way you are right. I do not train true sport gi bjj. No gi is my focus. I still respect jacket wrestling though (judo is scary shit)

[@elenchus]

I feel like this comment needs to be read before people comment themselves, so please take a moment before you write your angry response to Zahabi. Sparring (rolling) is not fighting. This is not a match. There is not a winner. This doesn't go into a record. Rolling is not meaningfully different than hitting a punching bag or drilling a takedown. When you hit the punching bag, the bag does not "lose." You do not "win." They are merely training tools to help you get better. The video is not of a fight. It's friendly sparring so Zahabi can continue to polish his skills against wrestlers, and so Johnny can (presumably) develop submission defense and expand his grappling skills. The only objective is to learn. If you join a BJJ school, you will roll like this between 2 and 5 times per day. Your opponents may have wrestling or judo backgrounds. They may be much bigger or much smaller. They may be male or female. When you are in BJJ, this kind of encounter isn't a challenge fight, it's just another day at the office. It's totally ordinary and unremarkable. We don't derive from it profound meaning as to the power of BJJ or of our own skills.

[@techdoge9650]

Exactly, we have a lot of bjj/no-gis come to polish their stand up technique on our wrestling gym and many wrestlers I know also train bjj/no-gi to learn different ground techniques.

[@surkhiyan7203]

Sick of idiots making it a 'VS' fight.

[@KrigRaseri]

Not a VS fight but definitely not the same as drills or hitting a bag, it's just sparring.

[@nikhilgupta-yq7bj]

Bro i don't see a single hate comment over here

[@elenchus]

@@nikhilgupta-yq7bj I read probably 20+ before I wrote that comment.

[@torynichols2413]

I can't think of a more anxious moment than feeling firas getting a hold of your ankle

[@JP-by6pe]

mommatoldme 😬

[@arjunkathayat7300]

I can, Imagine Palhares getting hold of your ankle.

[@marcomonaldi9058]

@@arjunkathayat7300 bruh, get the wheelchair ready...

[@fabooshka]

Even worse than public speaking

[@k2m524]

Wish Alexander Gustafsson would be part of Tristar Gym and train with you guys, he needs to go to the next level if he wants to get that belt..

[@yungkage1693]

You look like a Gustafson lesnar love child

[@k2m524]

@@yungkage1693 Well Gustafsson is swedish, i am icelandic and Brock Lesnar for sure has some danish or germanic blood in him. So i am just as tall as Alex and almost heavy as Brock. 6'5 , 250. Vikings. :D

[@BjorsN]

As a swede i would love that man

[@hyperceptional]

Agreed.

[@DickoWA2010]

Coach please make a butterfly guard dvd. I know you have mentioned it a couple of times now. Loving your rldr lockdown and pass prevention favourites and butterfly would work so well with them. Thank you for the incredible content.

[@tomfletcher1735]

Yes!!

[@ToutEtRienTV]

Merci Firas pour cette vidéo très intéressante. Opposition de style dans un randori très pédagogique de ta part. Merci également à Johnny pour s'être prêté au jeu. J'apprécie tes vidéos tu as toujours des pépites de savoir à nous transmettre. Tes vidéos "ask me anything" sont des mines de "gems" également, j'espère un jour pouvoir venir au Tristar gym pour en apprendre encore plus. Cordialement.

[@Jammydodger69]

I always think that wrestling would be even more effective in real life combat situation. Imagine an Olympic level wrestler slamming you on concrete floor. Not very good.

[@bazarovism]

I think allowing strikes benefits wrestlers too

[@norbertomilan1906]

Fights always starts standing you have to get close to utilities your wrestling and striking will touch first

[@colet1096]

@@norbertomilan1906 This debate has been settled. Pure grappling will dominate pure striking almost always. It's not even a question any more.

[@andycarpioandy3158]

Judo is more efficient and faster at slamming and or taking multiple people since the slams are almost instant and your always standing while your opponent is on the ground which is almost unheard of in grappling arts but wrestlings biggest benefit is takedown defense so it does have its place in a street fight

[@andycarpioandy3158]

@@jasonablah7702 no doubt the odds are against u but why not take as many with u as u can with u and I practice by throwing someone within 2 to 3 seconds if I dont do it within that time frame I start again to be fair most of the people I practice with are very much beginners but that's most people on the street and honestly I prefer striking in a situation with multiple attackers not that I've been jumped before it's all in a controlled situation so I will give u that

[@mmabandwagon1391]

Camera quality looking top notch coach!

[@Nameless2k6]

Was just watching the last one before it cut halfway through wondering what happened. Lol! Thanks for the knowledge, coach!

[@bobsmitty2119]

Good video !! As a wrestler, who practiced with judoka before stepping onto a bjj mat, I can appreciate this narrative. The biggest threat to me, with my background, I believe are submissions that attack the legs. They will catch you off guard in the worst way if you have no experience with this type of offense.

[@bogdanpatru2742]

Bro, your leg lock entries are so fluid and effective. I love it!

[@hakhinds]

Thanks coach! Beautiful exchanges at a high level, a lot to learn. Really love and look forward to these commentary videos! Please keep them coming

[@TanyerLamb]

Camera work was mostly me avoiding being suplexed into

[@juanrodriguez7227]

Should have made a video on based on you grappling a freestyle or collegiate wrestler who use scrambles and attack legs, not the Greco guy who doesn’t attack legs and whose defense is almost null when on bottom.

[@bane3991]

Wrestlers aren't trained on bottom. They're not trained on how to attack legs either. You can see Gorgon Ryan submitting a college wrestler. A lot of wrestlers train BJJ and get tapped.

[@luckyowl451]

love the narated rolls, i hope we get more!

[@rowanbae4031]

I hope he goes to the Olympics and follows his dreams. Good narration coach

[@timm285]

This was a great video

[@BenFitterman]

Thanks Firas. This was really fun to watch.

[@skipper2leo]

my new favorite video on youtube

[@HittokiriBatosai]

I always wondered how this would go, thank you very much for this awesome video

[@6nosis]

Love the nod to Rickson with “flow with the go”... ty for that...who else caught that?

[@mohamedndiaye2004]

Best coach in the game!

[@jonaherazo7326]

Wrestler will always lose when going by bjj rules. I would like to see the BJJ guy going by wrestling rules

[@RennyRe]

In the end - at least from my personal experience - it all comes down to individual years of mat time and athleticism.

[@boywonder4509]

A lot of unanswered questions here. First, what exactly was the objective/goal for each individual? Was submission the goal? If that’s the case obviously the submission grappler will always have the advantage. Second, BJJ vs Wrestling is a little misleading. Firas is competent in wrestling. I may be mistaken but Johnny Yates doesn’t seem to have knowledge of jiu jitsu. So many of these Jiu Jitsu vs Wrestling/Judo arguments seem flawed because they’re always posed within the context of jiu jitsu rules. In my opinion wrestling is a more sound martial art because it teaches you how to grapple/initiate while standing i.e. hand fight, close distance, tie up, clinch, take the opponent down and then use a variety of techniques to control on the ground. Jiu Jitsu is an amazing art but these skills are lacking or not trained with enough frequency. Hence why it’s easier to go from wrestling to jiu jitsu then the other way around. Just my opinion though.

[@PBrrtrn]

I don't think the point is to argue for the superiority of either style but rather to focus on the specific exchanges happening between high level grapplers

[@boywonder4509]

@@PBrrtrn What's the point of focusing on the details of specific exchanges? I'm assuming to evaluate the effectiveness of each art and/or technique in relation to the other. But it's difficult to make an accurate evaluation without context. I'll definitely admit I have a bias towards wrestling but I watch these videos and it's seems there's a hidden bias towards jiu jitsu. Maybe I'm wrong but either way context is important. Someone could put out a video of high level NCAA wrestler rag dolling a jiu jitsu blackbelt giving details and I'd be equally skeptical. What was the context of the situation? Was the blackbelt able to use submissions? Did he train takedowns throughout his years of training? Etc...

[@heymelon]

@@boywonder4509 I'm pretty sure he gave some context. Also he said in the video something like "this guy has thrown me on the mats loads of times, but now we are in my world". So I assume they have done pure takedown or wrestling sparring as well. But firas is a bjj guy at heart that is also well versed in wrestling, so maybe this is the video he feels he best can narrate. It is very interesting to me to me personally at least to see what bjj moves works well against a high level wrestler that doesn't know bjj. Not sure why this is an issue worth complaining about really, this is not a click bait channel trying to disprove the effectiveness of any martial art.

[@PBrrtrn]

@@boywonder4509 I personally see a lot of value in these videos because I'm the only one who wrestled at my Jiu Jitsu academy, and I only did so in high school. There's exchanges like the granby roll to heelhook that you normally wouldn't see at your average training session because not everyday you see an olympian candidate rolling with a high level black belt. I would actually be verry interested in watching the same sparring happen without submission, i.e. focusing only on sweeps, takedowns and passes and seeing in what sort of positions the wrestler has the most advantage, as I don't get to try that sort of thing very often.

[@cameronjukes9962]

@@boywonder4509 The goal of their roll was whatever either wanted, but obviously submissions were allowed. Firass has said many times that he thinks the divisions between grappling sports aren't particularly useful/important and that good grappling is good grappling. BJJ practitioners should be training stand up as well. Also you might think wrestling to be superior, but in this instance, with more realistic rules than an NCAA wrestling match, the wrestler got caught in a lot of submissions. Being good at standup is great, but limited if once you take your opponent to the ground they can blow your knee out.

[@NOEL861Ramin]

Really love the way you get the heel hook with the roll if he sprawls. Could you do an Video about that technique? Thanks for your high quality content. Best regards from Germany

[@elenchus]

that would be dope

[@markwhite4348]

watch Garry Tonon vs Gilbert Burns breakdown: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqfbqmmBpLh6bNU ultimately, you have to be comfy with granby rolls and obviously leg entanglements

[@Tang77so]

Love to train with Coach Firass...I really like his style, first class...

[@educatedscum5306]

I appreciate these coach !

[@seanB81]

Enjoyed this video. I was good at wrestling at a high school level, but only did it for a couple years. I'm also a BJJ brown belt. I blend the two and definitely prefer the top grappling game. Where I have had trouble is going against superior wrestlers - those guys that wrestled since age 5 lol. Leg locks is where I have had some success. My school also really only started focusing strongly on leg locks about a year ago. So even at brown belt, I still have a long way to improve my leg lock game.

[@liftedpineapple7616]

BJJ and wrestling exchanges are crazy. My coach who was a D2 wrestler went up against a Pan-Am Gold medalist and it was interesting

[@Mike81139]

You only post clips where you're dominating the guy. Do it with Jordan Burroughs

[@bso1469]

Its not like he wouldnt tap him lol. Jordan may be a better wrestler but still a white belt in bjj

[@elenchus]

You do it. Zahabi is just doing some friendly sparring with a friend of Tristar and putting a commentary track on it.

[@Mike81139]

+Benedek Somodji Why doesn't put out a video competing with someone on his level?

[@markwhite4348]

@Michael Glenn firas would tap him in under a minute.. and countless times in a full round.. please educate yourself before spewing ignorance wrestling is PART of bjj.. they aren't two separate sports.. so a high level mma coach (and black belt under the best bjj coach in the world) is always going to do whatever he wants to a top pure wrestler in pure grappling rules (bjj) and not for nothing, but firas will dominate literally 99.999% of the population.. he's a top mma coach (on the planet) and again, has very high level bjj.. so essentially you are asking him to post a few obscure clips where he is competing in bjj against strictly the top bjj guys in the world.. do you realize how absurd this sounds in regards to your intent to come here and hate? he isn't posting for ego.. these guys don't care about ego. only the insecure care about ego

[@Mike81139]

Mark White Dude, they're just grappling. The difference between MMA snd grappling is that there's striking in MMA

[@WiLoC21]

Sure strictly Bjj vs strictly wrestling you will be able be able to submit the wrestler with leglocks , heelhooks etc.. Give the wrestler a month to learn leglocks defenses and basic Bjj guard passing, he will be dominating most of the exchanges on the ground . Not to mention the advantages a wrestler has in a real fight dictating where the fight will take place .

[@ZanderVanBarrel]

lol everyone in the gym wants to be on the video one way or another. Great vid like always

[@SerbianTexan]

Awesome! Thank you for sharing this coach!

[@Ofirleibeltrading]

Firas great video first and for most Can you please share a good technique against a wrestler for bottom position such as guard or even half guard and also the turtle positions Thank you this year I’ll come to train with you inshalla

[@RangerFu]

Love your explanation :)

[@deezlilnuts]

Great video and love the commentary over rolling. I do have one question... what is the aim of this roll? Not talking its effectiveness to learning. I mean what is Johnny's objective in the roll? Is he attempting to submit Firas too? Is it a sub grappling match for both of you? Or is Johnny just trying to work like it's a Greco match? If anyone can let me know please reply. Thanks! : )

[@eliwhitney7038]

I'm curious about it too

[@Jomitt711]

Thank You for this, Coach.

[@oneguy7202]

You need both is like shield and a sword, if a wrestler suplex you in a street you are done. Ofc to know sub and guard is very useful, luta livre and cacc is also wrestling

[@markwhite4348]

every good bjj schools incorporates it all.. pure wrestling and catch obviously do not and are limited rulesets so all these catch comments are extremely ignorant

[@oneguy7202]

@@markwhite4348 catch have a form of wrestling that you fight with jacket a d is very similar to judo, the most bjj schools that I was just care about medals and competitions, bjj also have limits grappling not.

[@pictishblood5688]

Get a catch wrestler like Curran Jacobs.

[@cmacbrown]

Or Those two big dudes wrestling behind them

[@Kubaaa555]

or just any high level catch wrestler

[@lisheltonanderson8645]

Now you know Jacobs would take over the gym 😂😂😂😂😂 so they are not having that.

[@jonnybrigs4862]

Yes! Catch v BJJ would be super interesting.

[@markwhite4348]

firas would tap him in mere minutes, i would bet

[@Abbassis15]

cant tell if the greco guy was being nice or is just not that great, as greco wrestler he had so many options and chances to throw him , from the basic collar tie to some under hooks , to double underhooks, just so many options but didnt capitalize weird maybe he was being nice

[@michaelgrayrn4579]

Thank you! Another amazing video.

[@BrutafulStudios01]

This is why Khabib vs El Cucuy must happen. 10th Planet vs Pure Russian Bear Wrestling.

[@shinobi1x]

Wow.. learned so much from this. Thank you sir!!

[@MackTrainingAcademy]

Blending of bjj and wrestling start to form an even better art. Then add striking in.

[@tuffnutz3131]

Damn dude, were you ripping apart a white belts knee? Vicious man.

[@jameshoyt3692]

This doesn't show much due to the guy being a Greco roman wrestler. It would be different if it was a ncaa all-American wrestler. Greco is very limited once it hits the ground, whereas a collegiate wrestler would have much better movement on the mat due to top and bottom.

[@amirmo9789]

Top you are teaching us so many things..

[@ginolee5219]

Ive been doing jujitsu fpr a little over a year now and im starting to put some techniques together but i rolled with a high level wrestler today and I felt the difference it was a weird roll but fun

[@ChrisSlowens]

Thank you for these! Former wrestler and BJJ neophyte... wanting to adapt my wrestling as fast as I can to BJJ and avoid the pitfalls that other wrestlers run into.

[@LightlessDimension]

I wanna see a catch wrestler/luta livre

[@markwhite4348]

danaher black belt will run through a catch wrestler..

[@counterkidnapping1737]

I can't believe the Greco guy lost. It looks hard to throw Firas seems like he has all the counters

[@gallolocoparisien]

14:34 Master 🤙

[@supernucleargaming1851]

Catch wrestling vs bjj if you know anyone I loved to see a video on that

[@aqdjbcr]

I mean I like firas and all but constantly heelhooking a wrestler doesn’t really accomplish anything. Yes I know you can leglock someone who has no clue about leglocks. I’m a blue belt and I’m not trying to do that shit

[@CoachZahabi]

It's not that easy. You're welcome to come visit and give it a try.

[@Thadon33]

I totally love your video bro. I’m in Toronto but would love to come out to your gym

[@CoachZahabi]

come visit we are always in the gym.

[@Thadon33]

Sounds good, Chief

[@jwkolm]

The more impressive part of this video isn't the leg locks he lands, it's him sweeping a high level wrestler. I find sweeping a wrestler so hard to do.

[@cianw10]

Whats the name of the thing on the wrestlers knee? Im guessing its to help protect a knee injury?

[@varieze117pj7]

Thank you from an old wrestler.

[@dzambujo]

thank you for the knowledge

[@CephlonMayngrum]

catch wrestling is more practical

[@nooneatall5612]

Nice evening coach!

[@mgojich]

I like the grabbing the arm on omoplata. I've never seen that before. 10.06

[@honestlee9921]

buddy I have no idea what the De la heva lock down is but I always hear this shit on your channel.Is it magical?

[@elenchus]

I think it's just that it's spelled differently than it sounds (in English, anyway). What you're looking for is the de la Riva and reverse de la Riva guards. In BJJ schools, these are usually just shortened to DLR and RDLR guards, so that's what it means if you hear the acronym. Anyway, DLR and RDLR are frequently used when the BJJer is on his back and his opponent is standing. It's a guard that, at it's most basic level, traps a single leg of the opponent (although the other leg comes into play for sweeps and so on). They're often considered to be sone of the most frustrating guards in BJJ.

[@honestlee9921]

@@elenchus hey thank you for the explanation. That's what the fighting community is supposed to be about. Fighters helping other fighters

[@elenchus]

@@honestlee9921 glad i could i help. there are so many different techniques and guards in BJJ that it can be completely overwhelming

[@honestlee9921]

@@elenchus absolutely

[@rryuan]

Would you be willing to film you doing a wrestling match? Or perhaps one of your black belts with limited wrestling experience?

[@jorgezepeda8190]

Beautiful!!

[@k9m42]

Straight BJJ vs Straight wrestling goes to bjj all the time due to submissions. However wrestling breeds the toughest fittest athletes.

[@psyience3213]

Very cool video. I feel like a purple or brown belt should have no problem with a wrestler though.

[@elenchus]

depends on how good the wrestler is. remember that in BJJ "sparring" (rolling) there aren't any weight classes or age groups etc. You will frequently face guys that outweigh you by 50 or 100 lbs, so not only do you have to be really good at jiujitsu, but your wrestling opponent might be much larger. But a 140 lb purple belt is still a purple belt. Not saying that's what happened, but it's something to remember when we don't know the context.

[@thaboshikwambane]

Any reason why none of them are wearing rash guards?

[@juliand4442]

Firas would you ever get other mats that aren’t so slippery for the gym ?

[@candysuxxx11]

love it

[@docsdirtyfinger636]

What kinda coach goes for a career ending submission like that legit every time, great coach lol 👍🏻 any BJJ class I have been to your not even aloud to attempt that till a brown belt come on mannnnnnn

[@bmlsb]

That's great he is wanting to train jiu jitsu, he will have many years of fun training ahead of him

[@JediPhenix]

On voit que le lutteur commence très fatigué et qu'il a beaucoup lutté auparavant avec d'autres. We can see that the wrestler starts very tired and that he has struggled a lot with others before.

[@beliefiam2302]

Let's see all those BJJ submissions on a Catch Wrestler.

[@francisconikotian2326]

Jhonny should start doing catch Wrestling

[@raggledaggle721]

Do you have a video sparring in his world? would love to see

[@paragon1782]

My comment got deleted? anyways please do more narrated roll videos......

[@samcannons8491]

Firas what program are you using to do these breakdowns ?

[@ramtron1775]

That armbar was so smoth.

[@destro1989]

Those mats must be gross af.

[@jacobcummings5825]

In a gym like that, they must clean them every day

[@Thadon33]

Kind Citizen Because of how slippery we’re told they were during that roll. Nothing that mopping doesn’t easily fix tho

[@barryirlandi4217]

I guess you have heard of soap and water ?

[@l.z.6553]

Nah. Obviously sweaty during training but its like that everywhere cos you cant avoud it. They clean em good though.

[@ALIASWA]

Nah, they clean them with soapy water every night.

[@danielthefreeman8150]

5:30 go for the gogoplata

[@demianthebackpackmaia435]

What happened to that yellow shirt from juji-club?

[@CoachZahabi]

Demian 'The Backpack' Maia it will be back soon

[@demianthebackpackmaia435]

@@CoachZahabi awesome. The only reason I didn't buy it before was that the shipping cost made it too expensive, but now that I saw there is free shipping to the states, I was disappointed to find it gone

[@sonicfx5431]

BJJ is definitely more effective when mastered but wrestling is more practical.

[@ethiopiansickness]

2:22 The QUEBEC KID

[@johnhall87]

Do you feel like shoes greatly aid you in the hunt for a heel hook?

[@uzelon3888]

What's the point to do bjj with a wrestler. Or you do grappling nogi or you limit him so much. Bjj has the advantage because it doesn't care about been on the floor or been on their back. Disavantage

[@elenchus]

it's not a match. They're just sparring. There aren't any winners or losers in sparring. Coaches must roll with people at all levels. He just thought this particular roll was interesting.

[@uzelon3888]

@@elenchus but if you roll with a wrestler the point is to do with their rules, if not what you learn...

[@elenchus]

@@uzelon3888 You learn how to deal with wrestling tactics and techniques

[@elenchus]

thanks very helpful

[@magcitrate]

All I see are leg locks. Is this what I need to do with wrestlers? Wrestler kill me. But I gonna try leg locks.

[@Jaythejet98]

I’m a folkstyle wrestler, and recently rolled with a purple belt and brown belts. I notice in our exchanges there are certain chains of movements that bjj guys are more comfortable with. Base disruption seems to be a concept that is preached in their techniques, and the feel is very very different from that of another wrestler. How many years of wrestling do you think equates to that of a purple belt? Or maybe what level wrestler equates to each belt ? I’m 20yrs old and plan to walk on a college team or strat training catch as catch can. It’d be awesome for you to watch a quick roll and maybe give a tip on how to handle sweeps as a smaller (135-140lbs)wrestler? kzbin.info/www/bejne/poDNhKKor7iUqdE Thanks!!!

[@Jaythejet98]

Kalle Pikku yea Rickson was a huge proponent of cross training from what I understand

[@markwhite4348]

@@kallepikku4991 most of what you said here is simply not true 5 years of wrestling + 1 year of submissions = bjj black belt? is this seriously what you think bjj is? more like: 1000s of hours of guard, passing, submissions/breaking mechanics, scrambles, sweeps, etc and none of danaher's top students are/were decorated wrestlers.. garry wrestled young, but nothing crazy.. gordon i don't think wrestled at all, nor nicky.. don't think eddie did either, or most of the up and comers on the pro scene.. the point you are missing is THE top BJJ (and MMA) SCHOOLS THEMSELVES train a ton of wrestling/stand-up.. and not only that, they will bring in world class wrestlers/judokas to train with.. sometimes pure wrestling, sometimes with submissions that affect takedowns (kimura, guillotine, etc), sometimes within a bjj roll, etc, etc this isn't to say that a super good wrestler will not run through "your average" bjjer.. but at the highest levels? or even a blue or purple that trains a ton and competes?

[@crossfitbilly]

Johnny is super strong. I would love to see him train BJJ.

[@GrecoRoman123]

Best BJJ vs Wrestling match: Mark Coleman vs Allan Goes >:)

[@Momsspaghetti777]

Why not try a decorated freestyle wrestler I feel like they’d have good leg lock defense

[@markwhite4348]

delusional

[@gallolocoparisien]

Beautiful although too quick for beginner's eyes 😅🤙

[@thatkindofguy234]

Isn’t heel hooking in a friendly roll a bit much? You can literally disable someone for life

[@kungfujoe2136]

catch is the ulitemate is freestyle the same as catch?

[@joshuacohen6814]

That was fire

[@trampley]

How much BJJ training do you think it would take for someone like Yates to avoid being submitted? How about to start submitting decent people (purple belts, say)?

[@charlesbell5500]

The obvious answer is that it would take him a long time of BJJ training to be able to beat purple belts, but I'm gonna answer this a different way. I believe that if a wrestler wants to be good in BJJ, they have to narrow down their arsenal. They need a few solid submissions and a great strategy. He's almost always going to have the strength advantage over his opponents so he will need to find ways to fight those types of battles. He really needs to nail his wrestler's pass (double over pass), and he needs to perfect his d'arce, rear naked choke and a key lock of some sort. I find those are the 3 most effective submission for wrestlers (rear naked choke is a staple, no one could go without it but wrestlers have amazing d'arces and their strength allows them to snatch kimuras more easily). And he would obviously need to come up with an entire leg lock defence system that he must drill endlessly. I think if a guy like Johnny perfects his passes, is proficient at RNCs/d'arces/kimuras, has strategies to bait his opponents into playing a strength game and has a great leg lock defence system, I think he would do very well in BJJ. He won't need to learn stuff like how to maintain mount, how to spin for armbars, stuff like that because let's be honest, that takes years to learn, we're talking about a guy who has a specific skillset, what he would need to do to be good at BJJ in the shortest amount of time possible. I think what I laid out would take him about 2 years in my opinion.

[@elenchus]

honestly, not that much. I think if he really threw himself into it for 3 years with a good coach he could develop vedecent submission defense and some guard passing/survival. Remember, in MMA, you don't have to win on the ground. MMA rewards stalling on the ground, so you just need to freeze up the match for a little while and you'll get stood up, or conversely, just survive until the round ends. Of course, that assumes an MMA context, not like Metamoris or something.