Gordon Ryan VS Pat Downey - BJJ Feb 29 2020

[@BurtonSKnowles]

Love or hate him, Gordon Ryan never plays dirty and is truly an artist of the "Gentle Art." So many times, his opponents are slapping him, using brute force or dirty tactics, but he never does, because he doesn't need to. He trains and thinks and is constantly learning and it translates into a calm, focused, tactical game, that he wins. Much respect.

[@squidink58]

Beautifully put!

[@James.1_2-3]

Could you duck him off in private next time? The wrestler made him look foolish

[@didif4791]

He’s the best Submission Grappler in the world… one would expect him to dominate a wrestler who is almost 30kg lighter and haven’t won any major international competitions Dirty tactics? …Gordon Ryan was defensive the whole time, Downey doesn’t know ANY BJJ and the guy got tired… the guy is almost 30kg lighter then Ryan!!! 😂 This is Gordon Ryans game, and he should at least have taken the initiative🤷🏽‍♂️ When Downey and Ryan freestyle wrestle… Downey is taking the initiative and defeats Ryan in little over a minute… But Gordon Ryan is still a master at what he does and it’s a treat to see him perform🙌🏽

[@andrewmacfarlane4899]

@@didif4791 thing is, getting a takedown is not a victory irl, you have to finish the fight. If it were a true fight Gordon would have the advantage even after being taken down unless he got head slammed.

[@mikeperez8]

@@James.1_2-3 found the hater 🤣

[@prithvib8662]

Holy shit a video of a match that's not by FloGrappling this is amazing.

[@TheSolder777]

Holy Beautiful

[@CentralBase]

I just came

[@benjiboi6669]

@@CentralBase got me dead

[@tomarintomarin9520]

@@CentralBase wat

[@CentralBase]

@@tomarintomarin9520 we had a nasty breakup

[@FH-pn1tm]

"Get up! Get up Pat of Troy, I am not going to let a power half nelson take my Glory." -Gordon "Achilles" Ryan

[@juliantoocold]

this should be the top comment

[@bernie3075]

This comment should be pinned

[@emirakbar4624]

Get up get up dont make me waste my roids🤣🤣👎

[@Deathadder1994]

I haven’t watched the video yet, so I hope I hear this

[@Beastzz77]

Gotta respect Gordon for fighting on his feet most of the time. Gordon doesn’t even stay on feet against other Top level Jiu-Jitsu guys but he did here.

[@villitipota4788]

Whats the point..hes going against the best stand up doesnt go anywhere..its gonna end up on the floor so why not get straight to it

[@ubermensch9688]

@@villitipota4788 because he wanted to prove a point. ;)

[@liamhornby5476]

I actually think guard pulling wasn’t allowed for the match

[@danielsnake23]

@@villitipota4788 he was trying to tire the guy out for the freestyle match

[@BuggyChokeTheWorld]

@@liamhornby5476 that was a different match vs bo nickal

[@looneyty1]

Pat didn’t even attempt to go to the ground. Kudos to Ryan for at least trying in the wrestling.

[@lucasday7330]

Imagine having or BJJ experience and willingly going to the ground for a submission competition against Gordon. Lmao

[@imightdeletethislater3810]

@@lucasday7330 Imagine having rudimentary wrestling knowledge and willingly competing against an All American in their domain. Oh wait, thats exactly what Ryan did. LmAo.

[@yodaddy4683]

Pat took him down at took his back twice in the first 8min so thats false

[@Lockdown335]

​@@yodaddy4683 Nah he didnt took shit my man lol No hooks no back bruthr... watch 14:40 onwards when the supremely conditioned wrestler quits.... Quitting is considerably more embarrassing then giving back exposure in grappling especially this kind lol

[@yodaddy4683]

@@Lockdown335 Pat put GR on his knees twice in first 5 minutes, lasted 17min in Jiu jitsu with the best ji jitsu practitioner in the world.. Tapped in fear of his shoulder getting hurt. Then go to the wrestling portion and Gordon gets Tech'd in under 1minute....

[@micvili7527]

The drapes are nice touch makes it look professional

[@jag8968]

Hahahaha

[@rafaelalmeida1923]

Hahahaahahahahah

[@Wyndstrom]

It's to hide the local strip club advertisements

[@AveryBlueRemix]

😭

[@thetruebatman4632]

Lol watch it all the way to the end and just take a look at Gordon’s dominance, Jesus.

[@User-54631]

The announcers tone is funny to me I don’t know why..sounds like he is announcing golf

[@justinnsmma11]

He makes me feel safe

[@jointhefuture]

Would much rather watch bjj instead of golf

[@tabor503]

Lmao

[@tabor503]

@@jointhefutureeh that’s a tough one 😂

[@user-sw5wn8go3k]

He knows what he's talking about at least

[@1253bryan]

Fantastic for the sport. More kids need to grapple, wrestling, Judo, Jiu Jitsu, just do something.

[@blokin5039]

Pervert 😑

[@Sindra2025]

Yeah most of the people have to know how to defended herself

[@manuelburac9474]

Then magically pat got recovered for the wrestling match wtf??

[@dreiigHiveSGClips]

acting on point

[@orelviscardenas3247]

you obviously never had shoulder injuries before

[@cricka09]

@@orelviscardenas3247 ok doctor🙄

[@orelviscardenas3247]

@@cricka09 having shoulder injuries makes me a doctor?

[@cricka09]

@@orelviscardenas3247 you claimed someone has never had a shoulder injury because of their comment. I would have thought it was pretty obvious my comments were sarcastic, you diagnosed them as not having experienced shoulder injury

[@mrtjcombo7]

Power half Nelson is not a submission 😂

[@frankiecal3186]

It is if you knew how to crank it right like catch wrestling.

[@justsayin3600]

It'll be called the Gordon 1/2 Nelson when it happens again.

[@rcnyoplait]

Then why did he tap? (submit)

[@jhonfamo8412]

It fucked his shoulder up somehow.

[@ericr2617]

I guess it is when Gordon puts it on you

[@Jsanch23]

saw this after I saw the wrestling match between them and now I feel better. lol

[@baboonjames8407]

Sameeee lmfao

[@Precisionmagert]

He was breathing heavy 3 minutes in. He tapped to exhaustion and the position

[@rhumandlove393]

He tapped so he could be fresh for thw wrestling portion. What a joker

[@patricklutherwinchester4260]

What a loser and clown Downey is.

[@Loneshdo]

How can such a high level athlete have such poor conditioning

[@benjiboi6669]

Its like when you roll with youre coach as like a 1 stripe white belt

[@lucasday7330]

@LoneShdo some guys just breath like that. He wasn't gassed. If he was he wouldn't have been able to go for takedown

[@JamaaLS]

16:50 No means NO Mr. Ryan

[@Tuf_frijoles]

Ryan wanted 🩸

[@alfiesolomon3531]

You lost track of reality. It's not up to Gordon to put a stop to the match, it's the referee. So it's the referee you should blame for not respecting the tap

[@JamaaLS]

@@alfiesolomon3531 didn't look up the rules on D.

[@alfiesolomon3531]

@@JamaaLS and you didnt either because there is no D here. All rules and sanctions are applied by the referee only, so if he just stares passively like a dummy the match goes on. You can stretch all the excuses you want, you are always going to be wrong m8.

[@alexkehoepwj]

As soon as Downey volunteered to enter the guard, it was all over

[@EricSteinHealthyChef]

He was tired and looked for an exit. Not worth going extra if he was unavoidable deep into “the system”

[@TheDanielmeeks]

Eric Stein you mean he was a bitch

[@lassiterleon737]

The system of levers and clamps

[@MrHeathcliff83]

@@TheDanielmeeks no hes knows his strenght and weakness and i guess he is smart enough to make that clear, early enough. good ego pat.

[@rhumandlove393]

@@MrHeathcliff83 he tapped early so he cluld be fresh for the wresting portion haha

[@jonmoris9354]

lol its because he was wrestling the whole time where as gordon was just waiting for a mistake, differnt athletes from different sports

[@alm8399]

This is closer to a younger brother calling mom for help than it is to being an injury.

[@virgian2]

Ryan was just toying with him.

[@erikbritz2637]

Hmm doubt it Ryan knew he had an game opponent so took his time.

[@erikbritz2637]

@@ChestofGold 😂

[@ryangibbons7311]

Downey was going to cave at some point. Gordon couldn't offensively force the action on Downey in this rule set. Gordon took the safe route

[@thetruebatman4632]

@@ryangibbons7311 bingo. It’s Gordon freakin Ryan.

[@liampurnell7297]

He said before he went out he was going to go out and wear him down as much as possible. It wasn’t even a submission he got him with, it was Downey giving up

[@SwampCityRadio1974]

I tapped during rolling because of an old shoulder injury but my training partner didn't stop for the reason that he felt he hadn't applied a submission. The reason that heavy sparring isn't considered assault is because consent is given by both parties. It is a consenting activity in a controlled environment with built-in safe guards like the tap, mat rules, mat etiquette etc...IMO when that consent is withdrawn by one of the parties and the other party knowingly continues fighting you start getting into dangerous territory where what you are doing could be considered assault in a court of law. If your partner taps you stop no ifs no buts.

[@thelifeofrus]

This is a tournament with two elite level grapplers. You don't stop till the ref says stop

[@aristolochene]

valid point

[@hoochfarmer4394]

I agree with all you said bro but you can see Gordon’s just having fun with him after the two he’s not actually putting much or any pressure on anything

[@performancej8017]

@@thelifeofrus that’s BS.

[@StuffAndMemes]

Just stop

[@Iamstevenarceo]

Hey ref, just wanted to remind you that YOU SRE REFFING A MATCH.

[@0mniVerse777]

Gordan looks like he can continue to roll for the next 30min straight lol

[@krupag8149]

Announcer: “In side control here” Gordon: “In What control”... IN MY CONTROL!!

[@johnmagnum1904]

The breath control and conditioning gap is huge

[@anthonymagnotta3428]

It’s a different type of conditioning. Downey is expending a ton of unnecessary energy.

[@Gibomartinez87]

Way more impressive than the Outer bounds wrestling match showcase

[@kallepikku4991]

16:50 Referee just starring at the competitors for 20 seconds after the tap. LoL. Some quality refereeing right there.

[@SorryImLate-fv1xf]

Well it was kinda confusing because all he did was a power half Nelson and he kinda just gave up and tapped it even pissed of Gordon

[@stevenoverlord]

Horrible reffing they were nervous because it's Gordon ryan and even shittier sportsmanship from Gordon. That's obviously a move that could exasperated a bad shoulder and tap out means let go get off me not whining and holding on smh

[@wayne47able]

Because he wasn’t hurt

[@evo9467]

This was one of the best No Gi fights I’ve ever seen.

[@Steve-jb8qy]

literally the worst one ive ever seen. you need to elevate the matches you're watching.

[@kh2716]

Downey shouts and whoops after winning a wrestling match with a BJJ practitioner and then rolls up and dies when it comes to jiu jitsu.

[@cdb0816]

@Wrestling • Judo MS didn't see gordon doing that. And at least gordon engaged in the wrestling match, Pat did everything in his power to avoid actually grappling in the jiu-jitsu match

[@dyluluu]

power half nelson w the legs in hurts like hell so i kiNda dont blame

[@CrimxSun]

16:20 "Yeaa... Downey starts being downed"

[@kenoh39]

Thanks. Will you post the tournament ?

[@hoppy760]

Not sure what Downey's strategy was but he was using a lot of energy. You can hear him breathing quite heavily in the first 4 minutes. I think he put on a good show. Played aggressively on the feet and got some takedowns without over committing to the ground game. He looked better than Bo Nickal's match with Ryan. I would like to see matches that are no more than 10 minutes. This would force Ryan to get the fight to the ground and showcase his submissions. Otherwise we see a lot of stand-up grappling with very little takedowns. Imagine a wrestler at Downey's level knowing more jiu-jitsu and subs. Just look at Nick Rodriguez, he's a beast and his level of wrestling is nowhere near Downey's. And he's only been at sub grappling for 2 years or so.

[@austinwynn9496]

Fast forward to Downey getting KO'd in mma on the belator undercard.

[@jh883]

I can't believe the commentator is saying, "THEM hips".

[@redrumrabbit]

Is that a Nike tattoo ?

[@gabsab7667]

I have a very basic understanding of Bjj. Wrestled in high school. I saw the wrestling match between these two and downy absolutely dominated. My question is, Why isn’t that the style he imposed in the bjj match to gain advantageous positioning? Can someone tell me what I’m missing. In the wrestling match he had multiple positions that would be considered dominant in bjj. Why not take that approach in the bjj match.

[@TheLZempir3]

Because if you push someone out of bounds in bjj they restart you in the middle. No points for that.

[@theasianviper6365]

The main reason is that a takedown is not the goal of bjj, submission is. So if you're really good with takedowns, your opponents will just pull guard or butt scoot so all the energy you put into your takedowns is useless. Second is that wrestling is completely focused on takedowns, takedown defense and pins. That means that whoever will practice wrestling will have better takedowns and takdown defense because they put more time in it. That being said, I do think that bjj has to spend more time in takedowns as it's the way to get a fight to the ground.

[@TheSantos173]

@Adam Khan dude, I do BJJ and committed to it for life, but he asked a good question tho. If you think about if you give your back to a wrestler in the real world 8/10 times it’ll probably not be in the grass. Of course BJJ has finishes which is awesome but both have their pros and cons. It all comes down to who is fighting anyways. Supplement your grappling with some striking and you’re better

[@smarterthanyou2255]

Because being able to move somebody outside of some lines isn't actually doing anything if points aren't awarded for it. It requires a ton of energy and does literally nothing for you in bjj.

[@UroboricNate]

No threat of submission, kinda like great bjj or wrestlers in mma who can afford to throw with all their power without fear of beimg taken down.

[@qwertyqart]

what fight is it and why the setting is so weird, with drapes n shit?

[@TheSnakesign]

There's been a global epidemic going on, have you been in a coma for three months?

[@qwertyqart]

@@TheSnakesign haha, yeah but why they have folks at the edges then. and what competition is. btw, epidemics, when it goes global, is pandemics.

[@scrapson8789]

@@qwertyqart folks on the edges Are there to make sure that they don't go past the edge of the mat and then are there to also make sure that when they reached the corners of the mat they stopped them and reset them in the center in the exact same position they were in

[@christophsteck531]

@@TheSnakesign the match was before the pandemic a few months ago (more than 3)

[@michaelangelo7431]

Gordon whether he’s faking or not, whether it’s a sub or not, when the guy taps- it’s done. You stop. The man threw his mouth guard.. get your anger in check

[@johnny5.56]

Yeah Gordon was just seething with rage huh

[@prestonphillips6552]

16:50 Can someone explain why Gordon seemed like he was upset that his opponent tapped? Doesn't that mean he did good if his opponent tapped? Why did he want to continue?

[@ItsCreepyStory]

Downey knew he was in trouble and copped out I think Gordon wanted to toy with him And get the sub

[@vinniciuselion4544]

Because he wasn't in a submission position, only a transition, he wanted to toy a bit more lol

[@Tehz1359]

He was basically saying that Pat tapped for no reason and faked injury, without putting it in those words.

[@josesoto3594]

All the comments are about gordon toying with Pat but no one mentions how pat didn't attack and the wrestling match lasted 1 minute

[@stefanwilkinson1536]

And why didn't he attack? Could it have been because there are actual consequences for attacking the world's best grappler in a setting when submissions are legal? 🤔🤣

[@josesoto3594]

@@stefanwilkinson1536 because he never trained jj and doesn't know how to do a sub?

[@stefanwilkinson1536]

@@josesoto3594 so, he agrees to a submission only match against Gordon Ryan . . . and didn't bother to train any submissions? Why bother to take the match at all? He knew it would be good for his name to compete against Gordon. The difference is, Gordon met Pat in the middle and was willing to exchange during the wrestling bout, and he lost (Gordon himself admitted beforehand that would almost certainly be the outcome). Pat played things as safe as he could during the grappling match and initiated nothing, and he ultimately tapped while in a power half Nelson. Point is, there's a reason Pat didn't attack: he wanted to safe face and energy.

[@smarterthanyou2255]

Because moving your opponent outside of some lines isn't as meaningful a win as getting someone to submit.

[@cypresspuz]

Nobody cares.

[@innertubez]

Amazing skill discrepancy. Downey ragdolled Ryan in wrestling but Ryan's BJJ is so much better than Downey's. (Yes I know Ryan is a BJJ legend but still)

[@scarred10]

That's not a skill discrepancy, they both are dominant in their own style.

[@benfrancais1526]

16:49 I thought his knee was boutta say hi to Jesus

[@terranceshorty4578]

I thought that was why he tapped

[@goku-pops7918]

crazy seeing how a high level wrestler like pat, wrestles exactly like an ADCC match. shows BJJ wrestling is much more a mix of greco and nogi judo

[@nunyabusiness1317]

“Power half it wasn’t a submission.” Lmao...

[@f.b4862]

This is a heck of a fight 🤼‍♂️

[@russellward4624]

Does Downy have the mark of Igon on his right shin?

[@scottnorton4256]

Downey DQ'ed from any respectable BJJ completion in under 30 seconds for repeated slaps to the face, it's almost like the wrestler is afraid to go to ground

[@kenclarke5966]

I wish I could see both unedited

[@greffett1969]

that power half can tap you if you try to power out of it.. injures your neck

[@johnbettertonx1]

Oh I get it. “Inside control”

[@TheTNPfan]

Love this commentator

[@alexanderwindowcleaner]

Took his Soul!

[@grippro472]

The fought after the a wrestling match right? So they did 2 matches?

[@Daugust77]

It was this then the wrestling match.

[@danielyerbme]

Is that Nike logo a tattoo?

[@markangelo4491]

That Nike Swoosh Tattoo was 🔥

[@vw5233]

14:48 this sequence is crazy

[@MrMrbrianbechtel]

Gordon just wore Downey out with that single collar tie lol

[@kallepikku4991]

Plus constant Step Outs.... and that 30 pounds extra didn't hurt either.

[@Felix-nk1hq]

14:35 15:03

[@johnmcgrath5813]

Nice one

[@LibertyJefferson]

Does Downey have a Nike swoosh tattoo on his leg?

[@blakeharris9705]

Yeah and “hakuna matata” and the eye of Horus...he’s an interesting guy lol

[@JackHenryKane]

Doesnt February have only 28 days

[@sien481]

Downey fake the injury to not get choked so he didn’t have to deal with the embarrassment of being submitted

[@smarterthanyou2255]

Exactly

[@user9675]

he tapped because he was gassed and knew Gordon could do anything he wanted to with little chance of escape. basically tapped so he could save himself from being destroyed in a prolonged fashion and to get on to wrestling. kinda cowardish but smart i suppose

[@jayw3rms]

Why did gordon suck so bad in the wrestling video, but magically gets way better in this one😂

[@hitman47784]

So this is the pros & cons between the 2 grappling sport.

[@thejookking]

I just watched them both wrestle. Pat Downey owned Gordon Ryan. So, the wrestler needs to LEARN BJJ. The grappler needs to LEARN wrestling.

[@DetailingJourney]

@@thejookking gordon doesn't need to learn wrestling, he won't compete in wrestling anyway

[@thejookking]

@@DetailingJourney I'm talking about being a complete grappler, Sparky.

[@DetailingJourney]

@@thejookking yeah you have a point, but not in gordon case

[@smarterthanyou2255]

@@thejookking Ryan is more of a complete grappler than the wrestler though

[@davejung52]

Can’t people really not see that Downey tapped because of his left leg almost breaking at 16:51 ?

[@zBryRobinson]

Yes his leg bending made me cringe

[@wayne47able]

@@zBryRobinson he said the injury was in his shoulder. He just flat out quit from the pressure

[@cdb0816]

It was his shoulder. His leg was nowhere near breaking lol

[@hotbaconbap6485]

Gordon doesn't ain't even putting guys in submission and they're still tapping lol

[@Ghost_Party]

Uhh

[@GreenDistantStar]

15 mins of collar-ties.....

[@racer89gt]

I’d be interested to see 2022 Gordon in this match.

[@DhatKidWill]

Complete suffocating pressure

[@joebeast15]

What happened to wrestlers being the best conditioned athletes that can push a pace like no other? He literally got so tired that he had to give up. Not a good look.

[@levishepard3696]

Wrestling lasts for 6 minutes not including OT. Wrestlers inexperienced in bjj always get tired until they get used to it. I think he could adapt if he put the effort in. Pat Downy isnt a scrub lol he’s literally an olympian.

[@joebeast15]

Levi Shepard no he’s not “literally” an Olympian. In fact, he hadn’t actually made the Olympic team yet. I would concede he’s an Olympic LEVEL wrestler but he’s not “literally” an Olympian. From what I read from people in wresting circles, they were saying he actually probably wouldn’t have made it this time around because of another guy ( forget his name, I don’t follow wrestling) in his weight class whom was better than Downey.

[@joebeast15]

Levi Shepard the fact is he got tired and took the easy way out to avoid getting choked. It’s a pretty shameful thing to do. Gordon went out and took his beating in wrestling rules like a man, he didn’t fake an injury to save face. Pat Downey got tired, gave up, fakes an injury ( which was magically healed 5 minutes later when it was time to do the wrestling). On top of that, Gordon actually elected to stand and wrestle with him in the No gi grappling rules ( his strength) instead of sitting to guard and immediately leg locking him. So yeah, that’s what happened

[@levishepard3696]

joebeast15 k

[@joebeast15]

Levi Shepard k indeed

[@laskorski42]

Lmao just saw Downey’s Instagram claiming “it took Gordon 20 minutes to beat me in his ruleset, it took me 20 seconds to beat him in mine.” Dude stalled for 17 minutes and the minute he engaged he got tapped by a non submission.

[@myrongaines5542]

Downy didn't want that ground action

[@nonparticipant4671]

Downey was fighting kind of dirty. I feel bad that I'm not sorry to see a dirty fighter get a painful sub.

[@malik6896ify]

They should have done one match with both rule sets and 20 points for the tech fall

[@RecoveringReporter]

Piss-poor reffing, Downey was tapping at about 16:51 and was crying out in pain. Can't really fault Ryan, his job is to go until the ref stops him.

[@nbnery]

1 camera for a BJJ match recording? Great work guys. We saw all the 50% of that match

[@studentsays393]

Just seen this comment as I am watching the video. There is at least two cameras 9:45

[@studiouswadoo5027]

This was really eye opening for me. The problem with BJJ is their takedowns are very weak. The no-gi / catch wrestlers try and incorporate both arts but these elite freestyle wrestlers like Downey are nonetheless hard as shit to takedown. Even the upperbody wrestling from downey was impressive. When it got to the ground it wasn't even close though

[@kevinjohnson6549]

What? Gordon took down Pat easily once he had the body lock. The reason the match was so long because Pat refused to engage for fear of the ground. It’s not that Gordon’s take downs are weak but that Pat was running from him the entire time.

[@lucasday7330]

@@kevinjohnson6549 Gordon was backing up most of the match??????

[@kevinjohnson6549]

@@lucasday7330 lmao what 😂

[@trippystizz]

🥩👩‍🦼’r

[@Steve-jb8qy]

thats completely based on the bjj academy. i fight with Alliance and the head instructor at my academy is a black belt on judo as well, so we work takedowns regularly.

[@James.1_2-3]

Holy shit. This video is over 17 minutes lol. The wrestling video is less than 1 minute 30 seconds. Says a lot

[@AgeBjjsteph]

Ryan you are a beast

[@abennett]

This was a grizzly bear playing with a gazelle.

[@animadverte]

Very disappointed by not respecting the tap. Palhares used to do that.

[@DetailingJourney]

He did the right thing, only stop when ref stop it

[@Dolph-fe2ks]

Gordon "It's Not A Submission If He's Tapping" Ryan

[@BrunoSirilo]

respect the tap

[@tomwalker389]

Are they friends in real life?

[@FR-ty5vn]

I’m confused - Wiki lists this as a grappling win, but freestyle wrestling loss for Ryan...?

[@shaykh_Mahboob]

They had a wrestling match right after this where downey beat him.

[@FR-ty5vn]

@@shaykh_Mahboob wow - same day? They were probably both exhausted.

[@vw5233]

4:39 ring around the rosie armdrag

[@greffett1969]

How the hell did he stand up the first time with that power half on him. wtf. I have to roll over when it’s on me.

[@fernandolausekerz4880]

El Papá de los pollitos el Rey y eso que Ryan solo evoluciona en cada lucha ahora seguro le cuesta menos no pierde compostura en ningún momento Samurai dirían algunos 👑

[@DrHarbirSingh]

The shirtless guy did well given his size disadvantage

[@DrHarbirSingh]

The wrestler looked tired as soon as he started?

[@nickc3250]

What did he weigh?

[@rashadhajiyev9660]

Gordon has a fighter character !

[@gritz2013]

Hey look, I didn't come all the way out here not to get my submission!

[@johnbettertonx1]

Why does he keep calling it “side control”? They’re standing!!

[@Arpedzio1]

He's saying inside control. Inside of the tie.

[@johnbettertonx1]

Arpedzio1 I know I had to hear it again and then I was like, “Oh, “inside control” like a collar tie🤣!”

[@psytron939]

Like honestly, even if Downey would get sick takedowns, once theyre down Gordon takes total control. THe only way Downey cant be submitted is by not touching Gordon, which is kind of what grappling is all about. Do people still believe Wrestling is better than Jiu-Jitsu? It can be, and wrestling has things that Jiu-Jitsu could learn from, but as a general note, you cant argue the fact Jiu-Jitsu is a more complete form of grappling.

[@karlkristiansevaldsen155]

Watch their wrestling match and imagine if the floor was concrete. And to make this clear, Gordon is the nogi absolute number one in the world no questions about it, but Pat Downey is not even close to being wrestlings number 1 guy. Compared to Sadulaev which is similar to Gordons Size, Pat Downey is a fkn little shitkid, but even Pat Downey is way stronger than the best nogi guy, now imagine Sadulaev. Wrestlers are always way stronger and they adapt to mma much quicker than regular jj guys because of their specimen physiques. The best fighters are usually wrestlers, and there will be a takeover in mma from freestyle wrestlers, it's alrdy happening. The russians will eat the bjj bois.

[@smarterthanyou2255]

@@karlkristiansevaldsen155 imagine if ryan wanted to destroy this dudes knees

[@dylanlorrain7574]

Wrestling isn't better than jiu-jitsu when there fighting to the submission. But if there fighting in mma, or folk style Wrestling or free style Wrestling format than Wrestling is obviously superior. The better wrestler can avoid being taken down and controlled, get takedowns when he needs, and if he is also the better striker than he will completely dominate. Most of jiu-jitsu is stalling and winning by criteria, Gordon Ryan is the exception with haveing extremely good submissions similar to a ko punch or a pin.

[@hvogel7763]

Pats knee looked like it was being bent when he tapped. Gordon had his shin across pats knee and was cranking his weight forward putting a lot of it on the knee. May have been a reason for him tapping. Idk

[@hvogel7763]

16:51 his left knee

[@FlameableMusic]

Still odd he grabs the shoulder right after. Btw, did it look like he tried to tap/yell at 15:25 too. Maybe same tactic?

[@aiaquino3688]

Was the referee sleeping?

[@blessingsandmotivation5498]

Gordon the goat

[@francothedago6537]

Wow Downey really took this match? Wth was he thinking? And tapping out to a power half nelson which isn't even a sub? Lmao,I got a bad shoulder and wouldn't tap out to that,yes it does put some pressure but not enough to tap out

[@erikbritz2637]

So can anybody brown belt or higher share if my theory of staying low with legs far back as in ready to sprawl being a good defense for leg locks imanari rolls etc. Cause im new in Bjj and im focusing on escapes and being sharp with 3 of my best subs BUT i know leg attacks will be coming someday and would like to know if my theory of hang low and ready to get the legs away is a better strat then like in this vid being too upright making legs vulnerable?

[@Alex-xi3bw]

I'm a brown belt lol. Staying low makes it harder for your opponent to attack your legs, but easier to jump on your head with a front head lock, which can lead to guillotines, darce chokes, back takes, etc. There's no right or wrong way to stand, there's pros and cons to everything.

[@smarterthanyou2255]

Gotta learn the leg lock game broski. When you learn attacks you're also somewhat learning how to defend because you know each step you're trying to prevent. And like he^ said there are pros and cons to weigh out when it comes to stance and approach

[@jobjob-kx4bd]

First pressure the neck, than the chest made submit that the always plan of GR. And do that with the smile...

[@andylouie6217]

Why is Pat so slappy?

[@shindrithargriethrat8408]

When somebody taps, you stop, regardless.

[@mysteryman2219]

Can someone explain why it seemed like Gordan Ryan was kind of mad that he got the win with a power half nelson? He seemed like he was upset?

[@McLovin810]

Gordon basically wanted to prove to himself and everyone who doubted him before the match that he could win under the rule set. He basically played at 20% intensity to tire his opponent out and then win with a legitimate submission at the end but his opponent didn’t let him lock up a submission and tapped to a power half nelson which is not even a submission, rather a common wrestling move.

[@mysteryman2219]

@@McLovin810 Thanks man! Makes perfect sense now!

[@McLovin810]

Mystery Man couldn’t tell if this was sarcasm but if it’s not then you’re welcome bro lol

[@smarterthanyou2255]

His opponent pretty much pussied out at the end there. He knew he was gonna get RNCd

[@nicholassmith8212]

The commentator sounds like hes calling basketball game. We are watching the match not listening to it in a car. Very knowledgeable though