Kia Ceed PHEV 1000 km challenge

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Bjørn Nyland

Bjørn Nyland

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@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
So many people ask the same question: Why didn't you charge during 30 minute lunch? The answer is quite obvious, but not so clear for many people. The car has only 3.5 kW on-board charger. It means that during 30 minutes, you will only get about 10 km of range. And the price per km for the electricity is in fact higher than for fuel. That's becuase you have to pay 1 SEK/minute to get access to 22 kW AC. But you can only utilize 3.5 kW of it. And if I would charge there, I had to park the car at McDonald's, waste precious time pulling out the type 2 cable, plug it in, start charging and then reverse the process after food. And the charger is about 1 minute walk away from ChopChop. It's quite clear that adding 10 km of range has absolutely no impact since we have more than enough range anyways. I checked the refueling at 16:00. It fills up the fuel at a rate of 34,300 km/hour. So 10 km of range would take about one extra second to fill up while you're already refueling. I don't know if that make sense to you or not. The whole charging process would have taken 3-4 minutes extra while saving only 1 second of refuel time. Now let's see how many people who will still ask this question in the comment section :P
@degerrit
@degerrit 4 жыл бұрын
Makes sense, thanks, I wondered the same! And I guess in terms of CO2 emissions (because EV drivers care, right?), those 10km extra EV range (or 50km if you go all the way) will not really make all that much difference for your carbon footprint either, considering you've burned fuel for at least 900km anyway.
@keithware5314
@keithware5314 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right Bjorn I have an Ioniq PHEV and I very rarely plug in away from home it's not worth the hassle for a few miles. I was on holiday in Devon last year in a lodge and the owner let me plug in every night for free which was perfect for me. Everyone has different ideas on what they want their car to be or do but there should be one common want for all drivers, keep the air we breathe as clean as possible.
@andersolsson9064
@andersolsson9064 4 жыл бұрын
I agree that it's in that case not worthwhile to add just 10 km of range during a 30 minute break. But which charging network asks for 1 SEK / minute for AC-charging? My experience is that AC charging is usually paid for by the kWh, not by the minute - usually 2-3 SEK / kWh in Sweden. Much cheaper than petrol!
@keithware5314
@keithware5314 4 жыл бұрын
@@bdeithrick I agree I never block a charger because I have an alternative method of propulsion BEV'S don't. The Ioniq PHEV out of interest cannot use above 22kw. When I first got the car I tried to use a 50kw charger just for interest but it wouldn't have it.
@keithware5314
@keithware5314 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bjorn I get regularly asked is my battery degrading fast on my Ioniq PHEV because I constantly run it very low and I charge it to 100% every time because it is a small battery. I have not noticed any degradation in over 2 years and I believe it is because on a PHEV the battery never gets stressed. The maximum charge rate is 3.3kw but mostly 2.2kw on my domestic supply and when driving when I accelerate hard the engine kicks in and does the hard work taking the strain off the battery. As I see it a BEV battery gets rapid charged which apparently degrades batteries and under hard acceleration it has to supply a lot of juice to the motor so it doesn't have such a peaceful life. That is how I see it and I would like, your views on it too, you may disagree and you have more experience with EV's than I have.
@OrganicStuff1
@OrganicStuff1 4 жыл бұрын
Man this guy works so hard respect
@nomisastro2000
@nomisastro2000 4 жыл бұрын
So strange seeing Bjorn using a fuel pump.
@martingorbush2944
@martingorbush2944 4 жыл бұрын
I thought that he will pee there. ;)
@tkermi
@tkermi 4 жыл бұрын
ICE, ICE Baby 🤢🤮🤣
@Reason077
@Reason077 4 жыл бұрын
Rich Rebuilds is ditching EVs and going back to gas cars. Bjørn next?
@francescoboselli6033
@francescoboselli6033 4 жыл бұрын
People: “2020 can be more strange” Bjorn: use a fuel pump
@benjamin_flux
@benjamin_flux 4 жыл бұрын
Best comment :-)
@noer0205
@noer0205 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Björn for the video! I really liked that you have added a reference fossil car to the 1000 km challenge. To me it makes perfect sense to have a benchmark in the table. Also the upcoming EV's now have something to beat.
@tobiasstaermose
@tobiasstaermose 4 жыл бұрын
Our Outlander PHEV can actually use Chadamo and charge at around 16kw, so on longer trips we usualy just plan a few stops and top up a bit a on the battery :) Dont know why so many PHEV's does not include fast charging.
@Aleks-kx3zj
@Aleks-kx3zj 4 жыл бұрын
16kW is not fast charging... and really fast charging (>50kW) is only possible for bigger batteries.
@tobiasstaermose
@tobiasstaermose 4 жыл бұрын
@@Aleks-kx3zj faster than 3.7kw ac, I know its not "fast", but in 20 min I actually have 25-30km of range, its super convenient eg when shopping on the daily commute. Much much faster than only having ac.
@kardy12
@kardy12 4 жыл бұрын
Fast charging on a small battery would put a lot more stress on it. So even if it was available, not sure it would be such a good idea to ram 50kW or faster speeds into it.
@tobiasstaermose
@tobiasstaermose 4 жыл бұрын
@@kardy12 just because it's charging on a 50kw charger does not mean it receive 50kw. I think it maxes out at around 16kw, and as it has a 14kwh battery it's only around 1,1C, and that's really not that hard on any lithium battery. It's all down to the chemistry, some rc lipos can charge at like 15C+.
@MylanPS3
@MylanPS3 4 жыл бұрын
Some Mercedes PHEV's have DC charging too nowadays. They use a CCS plug at 24 kW max I think for the A-class PHEV (might be different for other models).
@Angusoksen
@Angusoksen 4 жыл бұрын
KIA! Please make this Kia Ceed SW with Kia E-Niro 64kwh powertrain! Europe desperately needs an all electric stationwagon! and tow hitch as well! :)
@greengrubwoodentoysaustral8452
@greengrubwoodentoysaustral8452 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, bring it on! Australia also needs an EV tow capable station wagon. Will it be MG or Kia to fill this market first?
@VolvoMetal
@VolvoMetal 4 жыл бұрын
@@greengrubwoodentoysaustral8452 Probably VW, they have mentioned a wagon version of the id3 with "perfect aerodynamics" Not sure if it can tow though.
@JohnDoe-vx3z
@JohnDoe-vx3z 4 жыл бұрын
I second that, but the current battery might not fit in the available space.
@alconaft4343
@alconaft4343 4 жыл бұрын
No, they want do this. Check how much battery is popped up from eNiro/Kuna. There is not enough clearance for it. They need design that car from scratch as electric.
@ronaldusher39
@ronaldusher39 4 жыл бұрын
New Nissan EV can tow
@MrTechfreak95
@MrTechfreak95 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for that reference test. :) It really shows that the difference is not that big, at least with tesla / e-tron. But as you also mentioned the charging time can be used useful if that makes sense. :D
@Chrisb8s
@Chrisb8s 4 жыл бұрын
The thing is. Most people would rarely even use the gas if it had a fast charger
@Chrisb8s
@Chrisb8s 4 жыл бұрын
I had a chevy volt before my tesla. It has a “mountain mode “. The motor will fill ip the battery to 50% for attacking mountains. It would use it as would get close to my destination i would kick it on so i could drive electric in the cityi.
@AnatoliiIsaiev
@AnatoliiIsaiev 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice test! Thanks a lot for showing the time it takes to do a long trip on EV over plug-in hybrid. This was very important for me to see. I don't have much driving experience and you clearly showed that driving on petrol vs electric is not that time consuming anymore. The long trips are the only doubt I used to have. Not anymore, thanks to you. Thanks a lot for your dedication and performing such tests. Your channel, by far, is the most interesting. Thanks for the comparison charts on Drive.
@jost4786
@jost4786 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, as always, Bjørn! I have a BEV and a PHEV. Both going fully electric locally and only charged at home. Of 30000km on both cars, 10-20% is long distance high speed driving in Europe with the PHEV which has 85 litre fuel tank. I can then stop where I want to stop and not where the car needs me to stop. Fuel cost is not the high cost when owning two new cars. Fun fact: I also have two heat-pumps in my house saving more electricity than both cars use!
@0hypnotoad0
@0hypnotoad0 2 жыл бұрын
"not where the car needs me to stop" except... at the gas station?
@jost4786
@jost4786 2 жыл бұрын
@@0hypnotoad0 you do not need to stop there often and for long time. It is next to your hotel at the end of your travel after 1000 km and takes 4 minutes without any planning in any country. Great flexibility on my holidays
@jrherita
@jrherita 3 жыл бұрын
Lolol.. so funny watching the timer while gassing up here :). Excellent video Bjorn - I wanted to see what the conditions were of the benchmark car vs the EVs and this was great.
@TillGroos
@TillGroos 3 жыл бұрын
If someone wants to tweak and optimize consumption, cruise at 120km/h on the speedo (and not 125 as Björn did), because the Ceed PHEV will run in HEV Mode only if you go faster than 120km/h. And also use the SatNav and Auto-Mode (not EV Mode), so the car can decide, when to spend the batterie. It will not make a big difference, but burning less dinosaur juice is always good :)
@cicciottobiscotto5070
@cicciottobiscotto5070 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I'm not sure I understand - cruising at 120km/h would have made the car use battery in a 'smart' way rather than emptying it all at the beginning?
@IxLuckyxI
@IxLuckyxI 4 жыл бұрын
An interesting plug in competitor would be an Hyundai IONIQ Plug In Hybrid. The plug in has the same tank size of around 43l as my normal hybrid while providing around 50 to 60km on electric. Going with the same consumption that I get with my normal Hybrid of 3.7-4.2l per 100km you should be able to easily do the 1000km with a single tank and charge combined. Would be very interesting to see how much Norways and Swedens elevations impact this forecast to be honest
@keithware5314
@keithware5314 4 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting but I don't think Bjorn will be doing any more PHEV's
@martindravecky
@martindravecky 4 жыл бұрын
I have Ioniq PHEV and real range is somewhere around 900km with half road at 135km/h tacho speed and avg summer consumption under 4,5l/100km (with 4 people on board, full-ish trunk and 1 full charge in mid-point)...
@carlito1777
@carlito1777 3 жыл бұрын
@@martindravecky To get 1000km you need to stick with 110km/h, it is around 1/2l/100km/h less.
@Reason077
@Reason077 4 жыл бұрын
That's actually a bit dodgy that the odometer is so inaccurate. This car will under-report it's true milage by thousands of kilometers over it's lifetime!
@marianzdarsky9504
@marianzdarsky9504 4 жыл бұрын
Good for the warranty though...
@lukass.6609
@lukass.6609 4 жыл бұрын
Does it really matter? Not really, doesnt matter if the car has 200 or 208 Thousand Kilometers, its purely down to maintanence and use. Those will affect how long its life will be much more than a few thousand kilometers.
@audineb
@audineb 4 жыл бұрын
The reason for not regenerate downhill may be because of use of cruisecontrol. If you have driven without (adaptive) cruisecontrol and coasted downhill, using either your brake pedal lightly or maybe a regenerate setting on the gear-shifter (like the B on the Volvo T8) you most likely would be some % higher at the bottom.
@alejandromeneses7735
@alejandromeneses7735 4 жыл бұрын
Nice quick fuel stops. In Germany you have to first fill up, then walk into the store, stand in line behind customers buying coffee and pastries and deciding what brand of cigarettes they want... it takes at least five minutes to pay.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, nice.
@RandyTWester
@RandyTWester 4 жыл бұрын
The car might not use regen unless the cruise control is on, or the brake is applied slightly. It might have a setting similar to the Prime's 'charge mode' that lets you charge up the battery before a fuel stop, so you leave with a full tank plus full charge.
@enyaq_gorm
@enyaq_gorm 4 жыл бұрын
flammable liquids in a car and you have to stand there filling the car? It will never catch on, too much hassle.
@MikeDeeee
@MikeDeeee 4 жыл бұрын
The fumes can be addictive, that's probably why people still do it.
@samusaran7317
@samusaran7317 7 ай бұрын
​@@MikeDeeeeThat and a noisy exhaust. I'd rather listen to music
@JohnDoe-vx3z
@JohnDoe-vx3z 4 жыл бұрын
25:06 this is surprisingly fast. I usually end up with 100km/h average (including breaks) in Germany when driving at 130. There is always traffic or construction zones bringing down your average. I guess the difference is how many breaks you do, I'd do 3-4 on 1000km.
@KevinT3141
@KevinT3141 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, for most people on a long trip a good EV is not slower at all.
@ChannelPotato
@ChannelPotato 4 жыл бұрын
Cost Problem in Germany is that we are not able to charge for 0,10€/kWh it is more likely 30-35ct/kWh...
@marcgirard7551
@marcgirard7551 4 жыл бұрын
Great video with great scientific value! Thank you, Bjorn! You make great points about the fact that a lot of the charging time will actually be quality time to eat or visit places or whatever.
@dfjelddalen
@dfjelddalen 4 жыл бұрын
Been hoping to see this challenge comparison, very interesting and thanks for doing it! Of course in addition to the surprisingly small time difference there is that sweet freedom of knowing your fuelstop is 2 minutes not 20 or 50 minutes, and no risk of a significant queue at the pump 😜 Agree completely that chargers should have the same simple UI, som much easier. Also Nice car and quite relevant choice! 👍
@onlineo2263
@onlineo2263 4 жыл бұрын
So over 1000km and 9+ hours driving a Tesla model 3 Performance is 35 mins slower. I think most people can live with that difference, as most people don't do 1000 km very often and when we do that distance mostly we stop more frequently than that.
@nachocollantes7602
@nachocollantes7602 4 жыл бұрын
Most people can live with the difference but most people can't pay 60k euros or more. How much does that Kia cost? 26k? I think the correct question should be: would you pay 40k euros more because of the ecology? I have 2 sons and 1 daughter. What car could I buy?
@sakru100
@sakru100 4 жыл бұрын
@@nachocollantes7602 For your children and their childrens future you should be ecological even if its harder/cost more
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
You don't need to get Model 3 Performance. Model 3 SR+ did it in 10h30min and costs a lot less.
@nachocollantes7602
@nachocollantes7602 4 жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong Bjørn and all here, I am agree in general with all of you. I (we) have big difficulties here in Spain. You have way way more chargers in your country than in ours, so the electric choice have to point to Tesla, which is not a problem. I could buy the M3 SR+ but it won't be the best solution to my 5 occupants needs. So I need the Model S, which I love but I can't afford it. The Model Y is the choice. I like it and I can deal with panel gaps and all that kind of things that I don't really mind too much. So I have to spend the biggest amount of money by far I've ever spent in a car that I don't like the most, but....could be. The nearest service point is about 2 and half hours away from my house. The ranger service takes 10 days in North Spain to attend the service. Not all the countries are like Norway, Sweden, Holland...and I am considering to buy a second hand Model S but...it's a risky business... Apart from that, I think that this kind of videos are the most important. Here in Spain, we are still discussing whether the batteries are more pollutant than the diesel. The majority of the people here don't distinguish hybrid, plugin hybrids or even electric (Toyota is guilty for this). The electric vehicle is for rich and mad people, they say. We need this kind of videos.
@kasmopaya2676
@kasmopaya2676 4 жыл бұрын
Once the v3 Superchargers are up, the difference will be gone. Just wait a few more month.
@felixklusener5530
@felixklusener5530 4 жыл бұрын
Good test and relevant for people to make a decision. For Norway it's very clear that an EV saves money and you don't loose too much time. For my country (Germany) it's different. Fuel is cheaper and electricity costs way more and you don't get a VAT discount for EVs like in Norway. Model 3 SR+ costs about 20k € more than the Ceed PHEV. Since you can use electricity for daily driving anyway and costs for long trips are not significantly higher, an EV doesn't save you any money. A car in the same price range here is Ioniq, but 1.000 km in Ioniq will take 5 hours longer. Now people need to decide what they want.
@DG-uv3zw
@DG-uv3zw 4 жыл бұрын
Well for Germany there is now id3. It should work pretty well, and its VW... For short city trips used EV is best choice as a second car... And you save big money buy not buying Hybrid in the first place...
@LiquidScience-25
@LiquidScience-25 4 жыл бұрын
I just ordered this car and I cannot wait!
@stevemccormack9948
@stevemccormack9948 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a real nice car. Kia should make a fully electric version of it.
@AaronStarkLinux
@AaronStarkLinux 4 жыл бұрын
Probably they are working on that. They have the eNiro and eSoul now, more Kia/Hyundai models will be converted soon.
@kasmopaya2676
@kasmopaya2676 4 жыл бұрын
Once the Model 3 gets the new battery, the battery day will show and the 1000km challenge will be done with the v3 Superchargers, Tesla is as fast, or faster then a Hybrid.
@nukularpictures
@nukularpictures 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah sure Tesla will have developed a battery with more than 2x the capacity / l or capacity / kg. Like all of the other, bigger and industry leading battery manufacturers did not manage to do that... Come on Tesla is also just a company and not a magic show. If they improve it by 20% I will be surprised and the battery day get just delayed further and further. I really can not understand the hype created around Tesla. Its a car, thats it. And in the near future there will be electric cars that will equal the performance of the Tesla. So yeah.
@autosundspiele1602
@autosundspiele1602 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest testing! For comparison the pricing in Germany: 170 kWh per 0,33€ -> 56,10€ plus 60 kWh per 0,31€ -> 18,60€. Still cheaper, but very close.
@PawelMrozik
@PawelMrozik 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video Bjørn, although I disagree with your calculations as they don't present a realistic picture of vehicle ownership. To buy and drive a Tesla Model 3 LR here for a total of 100,000km, assuming 90% of the charging is done at home at 0.10c night rate, with the remaining at a Supercharger, the total would come out to around €61,000. A Kia XCeed PHEV, assuming 80% of travel is in EV mode and charging at home, would cost about €32,000 after 100,000km. The gasoline equivalent would be around €35,000 in the same scenario. So you are not really saving €60 by driving a Tesla, and I see it as very misleading. Comparing something in a similar price range and class would have made more sense. The only thing that I did not take into account is depreciation and the model 3 would be at a huge advantage, but as Teslas become more mainstream and battery technology improves, the ones with the older battery packs will begin to depreciate faster. Either way, you would need to have about 60k vs. 30k intiially. Compare the charging time with a Leaf 62kWh, which is more expensive than the XCeed and drives like Queen Mary- and you now have a difference of 4.5 hrs. The technology is getting there, but we are not there yet.
@superchargedpetrolhead
@superchargedpetrolhead 4 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@malte_hoffmann
@malte_hoffmann 4 жыл бұрын
In Germany (in the Noth west region) fuel costs on average 1,31€ per liter. Electricity at home is 0,265€per kw/h and 0,33€ per kwh at the supercharger. So the fossil would cost 79,91€ (actually a bit more because you also spend electricity) and the Tesla would cost 72€. So it's only a 8€ saving (this year). With a more normal fuel price of 1,45€/L it is 88,45€. So the savings would double.
@RonsonDenmark
@RonsonDenmark 4 жыл бұрын
15:00 + 26:00 Good to see you are using a SK700-2, world's best pump from the world's best company ;) And a NC3 terminal (I think), also Gilbarco.
@jhonedoe3734
@jhonedoe3734 4 жыл бұрын
I like your analysis at the end, but for me at least it's not about money or travel time, it's more about the hassle of keeping your eye on the battery level with EVs and charging more frequently than Diesel cars. I know this hybrid doesn't have a long range but if you do the challenge with a Volkswagen Golf for example, you won't even need to think about refueling since it has up to +1200km of range on a single tank. Of course you will stop to rest but you won't have to think about charging all the time, and you can stop wherever you want, not specifically in a gas station.
@samusaran7317
@samusaran7317 Жыл бұрын
Thinking is too much work?
@wrenchingfool5284
@wrenchingfool5284 4 жыл бұрын
1000km challenge is a very relevant challenge for anyone who regularly or even occasionally takes road trips and is looking to purchase an EV. EVs are far better city cars than almost any ICE vehicle, but the struggle has been making them less inconvenient for long trips. I plan on doing a similar topic on my channel once its up and running, doing a 500mile challenge (I will give credit to you for the idea!) on US roads and the weaker US charging infrastructure.
@Johnrick90
@Johnrick90 3 жыл бұрын
I dare you to try a CNG 1000 km challenge! Since most newer CNG cars come with only 9 liters gasoline tank.. planning is key and also luck about finding station with good pressure to max out cng gas tank capacity. Sweden have at least decent CNG stations. But also exciting to see money efficiency and how much of total distance were made by fossil. In Sweden most CNG stations have 100% bio to offer. Then no co2.
@ThomasT1976
@ThomasT1976 4 жыл бұрын
Flot arbejde, Bjørn!
@jasonw98
@jasonw98 4 жыл бұрын
Bjorn, what you miss when you are driving a PHEV compare to EV?
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Lot of things. Like instant acceleration, not having to pay a shitload for fossil juice, etc.
@jasonw98
@jasonw98 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland Well in my country 1L of RON 95 fuel price can only buy you 7.7 kWh or less of electricity, so it doesn't make sense for us...
@marcell1968
@marcell1968 4 жыл бұрын
The question of this test is” wil there be an ev that is faster than this fossiel car.”
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 4 жыл бұрын
Only possible if the ev didn't have to charge. But then there are already plenty of fossils which can go more than 1000km on a tank. If you drive at the same speeds over the same distance the only difference is the stops.
@Gutomino
@Gutomino 4 жыл бұрын
Need to say that this comparation works in Norway, where the gas is expensive and electricity is kind of cheap. In my country I drive with PHV about 40% chceaper than my previous EV. The reason is that 1 liter of 95 gasolin costs about 1,15 € and 1 kWh of electricity costs 0,2 € when charging at home. I've got kind of efficient PHV (Prius 2020) so even highway driving (130 km/h) costs me no more than 5 € per 100 km. So far 2 500 km costs me 100 € (gas and electric included). Oh and charging of my PHV requires at least 1 hour long stop otherwise it´s just wasting your time with handling the cable.
@dmunro9076
@dmunro9076 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you'll try a 1000km challenge with a Prius Prime. My guess (based upon my 2020 Prime) is that you'd average ~4.5l/100km.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Irrelevant. Watch 7:07
@mrmuds8624
@mrmuds8624 4 жыл бұрын
The instrument cluster in my opinion looks way nicer than the one one in the e-niro or soul ev. I don't understand why they don't use something like this, maybe when they do a model revision, they will start using it.
@costinioana
@costinioana 4 жыл бұрын
That's the "new" instrument cluster available in the ceed (and its siblings) range. It's not even available as standard everywhere - where I live, it's an optional extra.
@BoopBobBeep
@BoopBobBeep 4 жыл бұрын
Someone have kidnapped Bjorn! Bjorn will never drive a fossil car. This guy pretending to be Bjorn!😂
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Someone commented before watching the video...
@ivancajka732
@ivancajka732 4 жыл бұрын
The only PHEV I would drive: 250 hp 50kwh battery 20 L fuel tank The 3 cylinder gasoline engine only as range extender Driving on electricity only. Model 3 owner btw
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
BMW i3 REx is the closest match.
@ivancajka732
@ivancajka732 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah the Rex is the one that inspired me to write this hehe Funny how the plug-in hybrids that serious EV owners want to own/drive don't even exist even after all these years of electromobility. The legacy carmakers want to maintain the status quo and make dorky little circus clown cars.
@andyb6851
@andyb6851 4 жыл бұрын
@@ivancajka732 I think it would be too expensive to make and thus there aren't enough customers for it. And in the normal auto industry, it's all about the size of demand. Designing a car and buying robots to make it and setting up the factory is a huge expense, so the auto makers need to sell a large amount of a certain model before they even cover costs. Thus they are so risk averse with trying new things, they are afraid of losing time and resources on things that won't provide a return and in a way they are correct since too many such mistakes can easily make the whole company fail. And also, we know from EV history how for people who didn't want to wait at chargers, Tesla actually created 5-minute stop battery swap places for the model S. But people didn't use that service at all and thus it got abandoned, even though so many kept begging Tesla how they'd like to have it in the first place.
@Blindusek
@Blindusek 4 жыл бұрын
Or the Mercedes GLE with over 30kWh Battery
@alejandromeneses7735
@alejandromeneses7735 4 жыл бұрын
Ivan, I think that very few people who have driven an EV with a 50 kWh battery (and true fast charging) would think it is imperative to carry around 15 kg of fuel. How much would that even add after generation and storage losses? About 29 to 30 kWh?. Good base for a debate though.
@chadvader93
@chadvader93 4 жыл бұрын
now do it with a FCEV, costs will be enormous I guess 😅
@hamfish225
@hamfish225 4 жыл бұрын
and pray that no one used the pump just before you else you'll be waiting for the pump to repressurise
@chadvader93
@chadvader93 4 жыл бұрын
Hamish would be a good real life scenario
@georgepelton5645
@georgepelton5645 4 жыл бұрын
FCHEV
@maurof
@maurof 4 жыл бұрын
Dear Bjorn, I loved this 1000km challenge as usual! I think it's very interesting to make a comparison between the full electric and the plug-in hybrid. If you will have the chance, I would love to see the tests of Volvo XC40 PHEV Recharge, BMW X1 225 xe and so on ... with important focus on real consumption.
@dmukherjee8463
@dmukherjee8463 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the perspective.A proper benchmark hybrid might be the new Prius or its Honda counterpart, they are supposedly the most efficient. Curious if you could have them as well
@rizaorhan3995
@rizaorhan3995 3 жыл бұрын
Could you please do the same test with diesel and diesel/plug-in? Because i wanna buy a GLE 350or300 DE. Great work btw! Congrats! Greatings from a volvo employee of Ghent
@noproblem386
@noproblem386 4 жыл бұрын
oil price is currently low because of the pandemic... the savings will be even higher with the model 3 driven on these temps
@ronaldusher39
@ronaldusher39 4 жыл бұрын
£0.99 a litre while in lock down the moment lock down ended it went up to over £1.12 a litre
@RandyTWester
@RandyTWester 4 жыл бұрын
What I paid for a Model 3 in Alberta Canada would buy 90,000 litres of gasoline, or 409,000 KWh of home electricity, or 200,000 minutes of supercharging. Or a Prius Prime plus enough fuel for a million KM of driving on either fuel or home electricity. (same cost per km)
@IhsanDogan
@IhsanDogan 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bjorn for the video. It proves again, that EVs are not that bad as people think. A few years ago, I've read that in Germany, the average car drives 70 km per day. I live in Switzerland, where the distances are shorter than in Germany, but 70 km would apply here as well. The range of my Tesla Model X 100D is actually enough, that I can cover even longer trips with a single charge and I use the Superchagers every 2-3 months once or twice. It is correct, that a longer road trip will cost me 30 minutes more of my time, but with my Model X, I have every morning a fully charged (okay, it's only 80% to be specific) car. Before with the Diesel I had to fill up the tank once a week. It's correct, that you can fill up the tank in 5 minutes, but the detour through the gas station will cost me 15 minutes. That means, I've spent every week 15 minutes with filling up the tank of my Diesel car. An electric car is here a clear benefit, as I can safe this time.
@IhsanDogan
@IhsanDogan 4 жыл бұрын
@Seb C Absolutely - I was one of them. My calculation regarding Teslas maintenance cost was totally wrong. I never expected, that it would be that cheap.
@jestronixhanderson9898
@jestronixhanderson9898 4 жыл бұрын
This is great 60km is what most drivers will do on a work day, which is 70% of our life ! Double the pack and I can sell the leaf, both worlds :)
@DG-uv3zw
@DG-uv3zw 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it doesn`t really work like that... Double the pack means more weight( less fuel efficient) and also less power(already really slow) and much more expensive. They need to increase engine or motor power... Add at least $5.000...
@kasmopaya2676
@kasmopaya2676 4 жыл бұрын
@@DG-uv3zw Also the engine dies if it is not used much. BMW has a Service function that the engine has to be used regularly otherwise it takes damage. Even with this shieeett, a lot of REX engines die because of boredom. Just go for a little EV like VW-e up. Don't go Hybrid, just don't. Still all the dirty and costly fossil shit onboard.
@jestronixhanderson9898
@jestronixhanderson9898 4 жыл бұрын
Very good point for plug ins, they get fully cycled, this is where LifePO4 has more cycle life but similar issues and more weight. Plug ins hybrid failed big time here.
@rs9K78
@rs9K78 4 жыл бұрын
@@davids.6671 the battery is guaranteed for 7y or 150k km, whatever comes first. So in six years, with 3000 full cycles, your battery would still be in warranty. I wouldn't worry about that.
@matsa85
@matsa85 4 жыл бұрын
This was a great video to show that BEVs are better. Better than the acceleration test video because you get to make so many good points when comparing how stops are for each drivetrain. :)
@zocker1600
@zocker1600 4 жыл бұрын
when doing the same calculation with the prices here in Germany, then driving fossil is cheaper than electric.
@MikeDeeee
@MikeDeeee 4 жыл бұрын
Only if you drive very fast (which is possible of course).
@zocker1600
@zocker1600 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeDeeee no why, this doesn't make sense. I took exactly the same consumption data as Bjorn, just with German pricing: so for fossil: 1.35 €/L * 61 L = 82.35€ for EV (TESLA): 175 kWh * 0.4 €/kWh (SUC) = 70€ 60 kWh * 0.3 €/kWh (at home) = 18€ total: 70€ + 18 € = 88€ for EV (E-Tron): 220 kWh * 0.35 €/kWh (IONITY) = 77€ 70 kWh * 0.3 €/kWh (at home) = 21€ total: 98€ and this is with quite a high fossil price, I often see it here for around 1.2 €/L
@MikeDeeee
@MikeDeeee 4 жыл бұрын
​@@zocker1600 ​ The 230 Wh/km seem very high for a Model 3 driven at moderate speeds in Sweden and Norway (i.e. even with Björn's "VAT" he would probably not go above 130 km/h often). My Ioniq (with all-season tyres) uses around 180 Wh/km with adaptive cruise control set to 135 km/h (=130 km/h GPS) in summer; I thought the Model 3 was just as efficient. I pay just under 25 Cent per kWh at home/destination and typically 30-35 Cent per kWh on the road at CCS fast chargers. So for a mix of 1:3 for home/destination charging and fast charging (as typical on a longer trip), I end up with €5.50 per 100 km. At a speed of 130 km/h, petrol definitely can't beat this. An efficient Diesel car can get close though with current prices.
@zocker1600
@zocker1600 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeDeeee I fully agree with your numbers, I wonder why Bjorn's consumption is so high, I was just taking his kWh numbers. But that being said, in Germany prices are still higher, at home I pay 30 Cent / kWh and on CCS fast chargers it can go all the way up to 70 ct / kWh when I assume a mix with an overall price of 35 ct/kWh and 180 Wh/km then it's 6.30€ / 100km Diesel is 1.06€/L (!) right now over here, so when I assume 5,5 L/100km then it's 5.83 € / 100km pls don't get me wrong, I am 100% PRO EVs, but the price argument doesn't cut it, because it is not really cheaper you can see the current prices in DE here: www.clever-tanken.de/statistik/historie/diesel
@onedankind8168
@onedankind8168 4 жыл бұрын
@@zocker1600 aren't those the consumption numbers for 120km? I also don't think it's a big deal that it may cost 20$ more for big trips like this when 99% of other charging costs 1/10th. Especially when we're talking about only really efficient hybrids. All other fossils will be worse.
@walterk8602
@walterk8602 4 жыл бұрын
Good honest challenge. When talking about petrol price comparisons, don't forget that the petrol price includes road tax, which will be added to ev travel costs one day.
@nukularpictures
@nukularpictures 4 жыл бұрын
And energy tax, and eco tax, etc. At least in Germany the taxes on fuel make more than 60% of the price. So yeah once it will start becoming more mainstream it will change. You can basically double the price then but hey in the first years it is cheaper :)
@martinweston8147
@martinweston8147 4 жыл бұрын
I have a Kia PHEV on order for my next company car (in the UK), only options on the company list were petrol / Diesel standard ICE or a choice of 2 PHEV the Mini or a Kia Niro, the Niro is the more efficient and best in size for our family, so I went for that. It will save me £2k each year in fuel and tax, so it's the best option. Yes I would much prefer a Model 3 or E-tron but they are double our budget for a company car and so not on the list. I would say around 50% of the journeys (not milage) will be via EV, so its a real good options for many users who have no better option.
@kjellking5264
@kjellking5264 4 жыл бұрын
As it is a PLUG-IN Hybrid, why didn't you charge it while you had lunch? Also, you also have to calculate the difference in purchase price of both cars...
@DG-uv3zw
@DG-uv3zw 4 жыл бұрын
Because charging for 20min gives you only few kilometres of range...(maybe 10km but if you accelerate slowly and don`t drive 120km/h ...)
@kjellking5264
@kjellking5264 4 жыл бұрын
Dusan Gavrilovic ok that actually makes sense... 👍 But still, like Bjorn always says, always remember your ABC’s, Always Be Charging. But that would have made the trip even more expensive I guess...
@sakru100
@sakru100 4 жыл бұрын
It also takes little bit of time to find charging spot, put in the cable and start charging. Bjorn wanted to be as fast as possible just for reference
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
On my first stop, I had a 5 minute restroom break. That would add 1.5 km of range to the battery. But I would waste 3 minutes starting and stopping the charge. 30 minute ChopChop stop would have added 10 km of range. But I had to park further away MC Donald's and walked over to ChopChop. And the added range in a fossil car is insignificant.
@AnthonyWoodruffe
@AnthonyWoodruffe 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and I personally think a correct deco on the car to use Björn.
@lukekeegan9403
@lukekeegan9403 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this challenge Bjorn. As you say, this is a good reference for fossil vs EV to show that EV's are close to fossil cars (and will soon surpass them) in long distance driving times. Keep up the good work on your videos and your balanced and well thought out tests/challenges/reviews. Really enjoy them!
@Honeypot-x9s
@Honeypot-x9s 4 жыл бұрын
currently not very relevant here in the US. gas prices in my area of the US is about $2.30/gallon for "regular" which i think is fine, most family cars will happily run on regularly even with turbos and stuff. using same math for gas, 61L = 16.11 US Gallons @ $2.30/gallon = ~$37 Tesla supercharging in the US on per KWh basis = $0.28 /KWh. 170 KWh on supercharging = $47.60
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
But most people charge cheap at home. Very few people only supercharge.
@Honeypot-x9s
@Honeypot-x9s 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland this is partially true you are right. but when going on long trips, less oppertunity i think too slow charge for cheap at home. some hotels and rest areas, restaurants that may offer level 1/2 charging facilities for free if you paton them really being the only exception but these will slow you down further as well and only truly useful if needing a long break like a place to sleep or dont mine taking 1-2 hour lunch break. there is a free level 2 charger not far from here part of a convenience store also is a restaurant so they do exist and are rare.. but having used it one time when borrowing my friend's model X (HW 2.5) and honestly the 45 min lunch break we took barely added much range to the car like 15- 20 miles maybe?
@magnusolsson864
@magnusolsson864 Жыл бұрын
Tack för en bra video som vanligt 🇸🇪💪👍
@Ljuddoktorn
@Ljuddoktorn 4 жыл бұрын
I have some comments on both the choice of PHV and car owner economics. No, I am Swedish and not anti-EV, I presently own a BMW I3 REX with 200 km electric range. I was seriously into switching to Polestar 2 since I liked the car and the low hatchback concept and I need a towbar. So bear with me. I make mostly short trips about 20-40 km (85-90%), and occasional longer trips. I test drove the Polestar2, a very nice car indeed, and then did my cost calculation before finalizing my order. I checked the charging cost at quick-chargers and note that prices also at 50 kWh are increasing alarmingly only the last year at least in Sweden. The other alarm signal about ownership of an EV is when I look at the remaining depreciation rate of my I3, the value is more than 20% lower between a 2-year and a 3-year old car. I had two options, either a Polestar 2 (or Tesla Y, not 3 since I have a dog) or a PHV Estate (I don't like SUVs). Volvo is too technically complex (the supercharger compressor) and thirsty. BMW 3 Touring is on the horizon but only has a 3.7 kW onboard charger. Mercedes id an interesting alternative. The A250e has a very good electric range and a 7.4 kW charger. The rear compartment is a bit too small for my dog, so I tested a C300e Touring and it was no problem to run 50+ km on battery only. It also has 7.4 kW charger. The battery hump does not mean much to me. The comfort is very good and the energy-saving technology is superb. I also have a sporty summer convertible, a MB C300 2018 model with a 48V mild-hybrid system to recuperate brake energy (6.5-7 l/100km). So occasional long trips will not become too expensive to fuel up. But the main difference is that the C300e (demo vehicle) is more than €20 000 cheaper to buy. Since I drive between 10000-15000 km/year, It will take forever to make the EV cheaper to own. So for persons that can charge at home and mainly do short daily commuting (the majority) PHV is a very good if not the best selection for environmental reasons. But please Björn, try to test a good state of the art PHV next. A 7.4 kW charger makes relaxed dinner stops suitable for topping up battery (about 1.5 h) on the road too. And the issues with brake energy recuperation show that KIA is not leading PHV technology.
@FancyaBevMate
@FancyaBevMate 4 жыл бұрын
We love fossil comparisons can you do a costing comparison with the the following price for the vehicle tax if applicable and of course fuel for say a full tank vs a normal ICE. One thing you will have to factor in is the cost of ICE being discounted. Once you factor everything let's see what the real cost and the point of phev. Cheers and thanks if you can do this bjorn
@loydens
@loydens 3 жыл бұрын
Luftmotståndet ökar drastiskt över 70-80km/h så vid 110km/h blir det sällan laddning av nedförsbackar. Jag kör volvo v60 plug-in och den laddar bra när det är kraftigt medlut och jag kör efter 80-90 km/h vägar😊👍
@B1605
@B1605 4 жыл бұрын
Did you touch your nose while using pump terminal? Be careful, you don't know who touched the screen before you :) I know it's beyond control, people don't realize how often they touch their face.
@kwiat126p3
@kwiat126p3 4 жыл бұрын
Please stop this bs. Everybody in this fast moving world has already met c-disease (we both know what I mean) and we all live well. Yes, some people have left the chat but they’ve been ill already. It’s just the statistics to make you feel scared. Have a nice day
@luisfernandes4145
@luisfernandes4145 4 жыл бұрын
With my DIESEL Citroën C5 lll tourer, I probably would do it with just One tank, 70 liters cap. BUT I would not be faster than an EV if I did travel with wife and sons. I would have to stop every 2 hours or so ( pee and snac stops😁), and at least one hour for proper lunch. If I did travel alone, it would another talk. With family, the travel would be as fast as with the diesel, for sure.
@OVarlamov
@OVarlamov 4 жыл бұрын
Luís Fernandes it looks like you have never had to grab that precious "drive while they are sleeping" mode 😀 for me it was some 800km in one go in 6.5h once - no EV is there for quite a few years to come
@luisfernandes4145
@luisfernandes4145 4 жыл бұрын
@@OVarlamov I did 5h once, had to stop for pee! 😁
@AsztaliTenisz
@AsztaliTenisz 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Is the car charged itself in sportmode at the end of the 1000km? Is it consumes a lot of petrol in that case? thank you!
@chrishyde1216
@chrishyde1216 4 жыл бұрын
In comparison, the Hyundai Ionic PHEV has a 43 litre fuel tank.
@simond3975
@simond3975 4 жыл бұрын
Plugin hybrids are silly, if you need to use the petrol engine regularly they are relatively expensive to run, they are expensive to maintain, they are expensive to buy (unless you get a taxpayerfunded discount). If you want/need to drive far for cheap; get a diesel, and if you can afford it, use a small second hand EV-wifey-car for the local stuff. Last week I did 1400 km on one tank in my 10 year old diesel without even trying. I paid ~77 euro for a full tank, that's 0.05 euro pr km in fuel cost.
@lulululululu690
@lulululululu690 4 жыл бұрын
Plugin hybrids are great for people who commute within the battery range and then sometimes drive longer. You can commute pollution free without paying the premium for electric.
@Mr.Carter777
@Mr.Carter777 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you testing.Mange Takk
@jannetapio23
@jannetapio23 4 жыл бұрын
I bet you could do 9:45 on Model 3 LR/aero with warm weather, maybe even less. The best time was set in colder weather with cabin heater on.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
And my run was before supercharger v3 was out on that route.
@jannetapio23
@jannetapio23 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland you should definately redo the challenge with M3 😉
@runeversveen9598
@runeversveen9598 4 жыл бұрын
What about the model S Raven LR? A 1000 km test would be interresting. Can it beat model 3 Performance?
@kristofferhamre818
@kristofferhamre818 4 жыл бұрын
I dont think the Model S Raven LR would beat the Model 3, because the Model 3 has slightly better charging speed on CCS Supercharger and better charging curve. But would probably be very close!
@putrid_swamp_juice
@putrid_swamp_juice 4 жыл бұрын
Bjørn, how did you arrive at the Wh/km for the fossil car?
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's right.
@CrumResearch
@CrumResearch 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see Bjorn driving PHEV. So many good PHEVs coming out now, like RAV4 Prime and big SUVs like Aviator and XC90. We want a PHEV with a huge high-capacity battery.
@Ljuddoktorn
@Ljuddoktorn 4 жыл бұрын
Hi again Björn, If You do not get a MB C300e to test from a Norwegian dealer, You will be welcome to use mine after Sept 20 when I receive the demo car. Tell me if you take this offer.
@SmeekPeek
@SmeekPeek 3 жыл бұрын
If you compare the price with depreciation on the Tesla aswell the Kia would smoke the Tesla in every single way.
@costakis7895
@costakis7895 4 жыл бұрын
Ok this is new indeed, but I thought you didn't do phev or hybrid only Bev!?! Anyway this is most welcome Bjorn!!! Just take into account that most people can't afford Bev's yet this is smart move from you, I approve! Also I just ordered a new Corolla 2020 hybrid cause here in Greece Bev's are still sience fiction, on other news Tesla is launching a store in Athens and supercherges are planed!! You are all welcome for pure ev holidays in Greece!!!! Hope Tesla can drag us to the Future!!! This year incentive program is also starting!! Without proper infrastructure!!! I am very excited for the future!!!
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Watch 7:07
@catalicos
@catalicos 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting! I would very much like to see more PHEV cars tested since more and more manufacturers are bringing them to the market. For us mortals that don't have Tesla present in our countries and not even a well developed charging network, a PHEV car is a good compromise in this transition period. Personally I want to know more about how different brands implement the hybrid drive train and how different modes affect the consumption. So, for this Kia for example, I'd like to see how it's most efficient to do let's say a 250 km stretch: hybrid and constant chilling all the way or EV mode as long as possible then hammering and stopping to plug and charge, etc. Some of the new PHEVs, from BMW or Mercedes, are now getting real ranges close to 75km which is amazing for a daily commute or a few short trips around town, which is what most people want, me included. Then, for the weekly or monthly weekend getaway, I can rely on the petrol tank for the longer runs, without worrying about chargers being available on my route or not. Please consider testing a PHEV car now and again in the future. Some brands like Kia with the Niro have EV - PHEV siblings which might be interesting to compare head to head and useful too.
@carlomorischi3435
@carlomorischi3435 4 жыл бұрын
cataliness phevs are a scam
@rs9K78
@rs9K78 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bjørn, did you drive in HEV modus the whole journey? Or did you start as EV and then let the car switch over to HEV? (Why I'm asking: in my mind it would make sense that the total efficiency gains over 1000km might be better served by keeping the car in HEV mode instead of draining the battery quickly as it appears to me you have done...)
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Watch the video and you will find out ;)
@rs9K78
@rs9K78 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland Yeah I missed these few seconds apparently. Still my comment stands, I think you may have lost some overall efficiency on your long drive by draining the battery so quickly. (I watched your two Kia tests because I'm considering, still not sure, whether or not to ditch my Diesel Ford Focus and go with a Ceed PHEV, I'm gathering info ;) )
@patriotbarrow
@patriotbarrow 4 жыл бұрын
I think percentages speak more than absolute numbers: Would you accept a 5% increase in travel time for a 38.5% reduction in fuel cost?
@nevco8774
@nevco8774 4 жыл бұрын
How about testing a no compromise PHEV Mercedes Benz GLE 350 de? Its battery has a range of 103 km and has a CCS for fast charging. It has proper regeneration and for long trip for backup has a 2L turbodiesel. The company claims almost 900 km full range. You might need just one refuel and 2 fast charging on 1000km trip. Stay safe everybody!
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
It's totally irrelevant for a 1000 km challenge. As shown in this video, one extra refuel only took 3 minutes. And I had to stop to pee anyways.
@nevco8774
@nevco8774 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland Thank you for prompt answer. I still do not understand why people in Norway buy PHEVs? You have shown that infrastructure there is developed enough for EVs. Is that connected to long trips in Sweden or Finnland? From the taxation standpoint, parking, using bus lane, free ferries, free charging downtown and no need of serious maintenance an BEV is no brainer in Norway in comparison to any type of cars. Here in Minnesota the distance, lack of yet proper charging infrastructure especially in cold winter surely make people buy either a Tesla or a PHEV. In Norway to buy a new fossil car for commute does not make any sense to me. Thanks once again for your hard worked informative videos always chasing the truth.
@claudiobarbosa3111
@claudiobarbosa3111 4 жыл бұрын
@@nevco8774 the cars in Sweden are too expensive and give back too little on tax. In Norway, you get back much more in tax when you buy an electric car. If I livet in Norway I whould have bought an electric car immediatley. I whould love to have an EV but i have to wait in Sweden if i dont want to play 50-100% more
@djeffhawk7987
@djeffhawk7987 4 жыл бұрын
Begin at 10:00, finish at 19:31 it's 9h31. Minus 5mn border = 9h26mn. Minus 30mn eating = 8h56mn. Yes eating less to compare fairly the cars capacity, while you are eating when your ev is charging, and eating what is available nearly the best charger option to go as fast as possible. You are not eating when your wife is fueling and cleaning the window, and next fueling stop, she's eating and your fueling and cleaning the window. For me the result is : A phev (at 40000e) can do 1000km in 9h easily and the best ev in the world (at 60000e) in the country with the best charging network in the world, could do it when you are very good in calculation in 10h. You lost 1h for 20000e more, you can spend a lot of fuel for 20000e, sorry for the planet. That's the reason while since 2018 we have a "classic" Ioniq and for changing the second car this year 2020 we decided to buy a outlander phev. We have pay the ioniq new + the outlander phev new, the price of only one tm3 sr new. To be fair compare to the tm3 sr because of price gap then with long range. Don't forget that Tesla (and other) are very expensive cars. And in other countries that's not the same game for travel with an ev, like in France. Sorry for my bad English. Thank you for your videos.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
There are a few tings you didn't understand: 1. In many countries, EV incentives make Tesla economically equal to fossil cars 2. This is a real world challenge. It's not a cannonball run or Le Mans. That's why the 30 minute food stop was there. If you look through the comments, you will see that no one protested because it represents real world trip.
@djeffhawk7987
@djeffhawk7987 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland I understand very well i promise you. 1.Which fossil car ? 50 000e and more, 50 000e that's the price we paid our 2 cars new (ioniq28 2018 + outlander phev 2020) It does not matter, as soon as we talk about money it is delicate. 2.For me the real world with a car is liberty to go where you want, when you want and stop when you want. And not eat something look like food in the 23mn between the optimal charger. When you are waiting 23mn to charge your car alone (to play, work for you) that's 23mn you lost in your life. When a family have to wait 23mn to charge the car it's 23mn x 4 people, if you had child you should understand. And that's the real world, you are not living in the real world of most people. I have enough the car decide where we have to go, which road we have to take to go there, how many times we have to stop 23mn to optimize time travel not taking 2 days to go where have to. I respect you, you are clever, but sometimes you are not completely objective. Have a good day.
@user-in1gn6fw2eab
@user-in1gn6fw2eab 4 жыл бұрын
Ohh this is a new type of video : D
@martingorbush2944
@martingorbush2944 4 жыл бұрын
@7:10. There is an explanation.
@thomaseriksson3182
@thomaseriksson3182 4 жыл бұрын
Good review! Big suprice..but tanks anyway for this!❤️👍
@oysteinalsaker
@oysteinalsaker 4 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to Tesla-Bjørn doing the Cannonball run in a Model 3 to show how easy it is :-D
@jean-paulvandeheijning5088
@jean-paulvandeheijning5088 4 жыл бұрын
Quite usefull this test to put his other 1000KM challenge results into perspective. To be honest I thought the fossil to ev gap would have been bigger.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
It would in fact be smaller or equal to Tesla if it was a family traveling with kids.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps better to ask if it’s worth spending 30 euros to arrive 30 minutes earlier. :)
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 4 жыл бұрын
Over an hour once you take out the full restaurant meal and other messing about. Thats also comparing any fossil to the best ev so unless you want to pay Tesla money its hours of difference.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 4 жыл бұрын
@@siraff4461 I’d still take my Tesla instead of a hybrid.
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 4 жыл бұрын
@@SirHackaL0t. Good for you. You would also be paying more money for a car which then forces more stops and doesn't give you much choice in where they are. One of my vehicles is an ev but I'm not blind to its limitations.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 4 жыл бұрын
@@siraff4461 More chargers are appearing all the time, and when you say much choice, I think it’s better than petrol stations which can be very expensive on the main routes.
@TBasianeyes
@TBasianeyes 4 жыл бұрын
3:40 "my first planned charging stop" hehe
@rustyjoints4857
@rustyjoints4857 4 жыл бұрын
None of that windscreen cleaning stuff at fuel stations in the Uk!
@altern8ive
@altern8ive 4 жыл бұрын
Some forecourts used to provide a bucket and sponge. Problem is people would either drop the sponge on the floor making it gritty and useless or keep it for themselves. The provision was a loss maker and during peak times interrupted the flow of customers and was a catalyst for forecourt congestion which is why it's rarely available now.
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 4 жыл бұрын
Thats because everyone uses wipers now. Its not the 1960's anymore so they actually work. Nobody cleans their screen on a run the same as nobody stands there playing with a fuel pump. The actual refil took 38 seconds and was not needed in the first place. In reality this would have been well over an hour faster than the best ev and hours faster than most of the normal ones this competes with.
@christianheld9720
@christianheld9720 3 жыл бұрын
Good calculation. Bit how much cheaper is the the Kia or Tesla so it gets more perspective. If the Tesla would cost 8000€ more than it would take years to break even no?
@Elfutbolista2010
@Elfutbolista2010 4 жыл бұрын
Great content man! Love your vids. I have a kia optima PHEV 2020, and was wondering if there is an app or somekind of computer I can buy to see exactly how much it consumes, regenerates, etc? =)
@JohnDoe-vx3z
@JohnDoe-vx3z 4 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see a Merc A250e with DC 24kW, which could be recharged during a break. Will not make a difference in time, but in price.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
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@JPetr94
@JPetr94 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland From A250e configurator at mercedes-benz.de: Gleichstrom-Ladesystem (DC-Laden) 24 kW 580,00 € Für Ihre optimale Ladegeschwindigkeit mit maximal 24 kW und damit hohen Komfort. BTW, this is also nice: Wechselstrom-Ladesystem (AC-Laden) 7,4 kW 348,00 € Mehr Flexibilität im Alltag: Mit dem leistungsstarken Wechselstrom-Ladesystem mit bis zu 7,4 kW (2-phasig) laden Sie Ihren Plug-in-Hybrid schnell und einfach.
@JPetr94
@JPetr94 4 жыл бұрын
And GLE 350de can take 60kW CCS.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
@@JPetr94 My bad. I saw 24 kW and I assumed that it was a common mistake.
@JohnDoe-vx3z
@JohnDoe-vx3z 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland In 30min, you can get the battery back to almost 100%, giving 50-60km of range. Battery has a usable capacity of 10-11kWh (net 15kWh). Time-based tarifs are probably not so attractive when max charging speed is 24kW.
@ojeskog
@ojeskog 3 жыл бұрын
I'm loving having the PHEV as reference. The difference is that in a fossil you can stop for a break or to eat exactly anywhere you like on a long journey. It doesn't have to be at a petrol station. In the EV you are limited to where the chargers are if you are in a hurry. That's what you give up with an EV. I have for the first time dared to rent an EV for a half month visit to Sweden and Norway later in the year (that I hope goes ahead). It will be interesting to see how long distance EV driving works out where high powered charging networks are much better than where I live. Still a bit worried I'll struggle to pay for charging at places... Had it just been me and the wife I'd stuck to a PHEV but as we'll be having our baby son with us I'm sure we'll slot in enough stops at chargers + several other non charging stops too so travel time won't be affected at all despite driving about 3000km with a majority done over 4 long travel days. Or my wife will end up saying I told you it was a bad idea to rent an EV...
@brianparker2400
@brianparker2400 4 жыл бұрын
How do the times compare with two drivers swapping when one needs a rest?
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Irrelevant.
@brianparker2400
@brianparker2400 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland How is my question irrelevant? This is the way the wife and I tackle long journeys. We spend no more time than necessary at a service station. Limitation is generally my bladder endurance.
@nukularpictures
@nukularpictures 4 жыл бұрын
@@brianparker2400 Yeah that is what I do too. I swap with my girlfriend and we easily manage the first 500-600km without a break. 1000km we usually take two short breaks (maybe 10 min in total). But hey then the fossile car would be below 9h so it would not seem so close. You just do not have that possibility with an EV. Also the freedom to stop away from highways to get better food for reasonable prices.
@043400000000000
@043400000000000 2 жыл бұрын
Hi so what you think about Bmw 530e or Kia creed plug-in hybrid which one more economic car or is it big difference between them ?
@azera55555
@azera55555 4 жыл бұрын
please test the Outlander PHEV, the only ice car I'll ask for you to test
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Nope, I won't.
@nakfan
@nakfan 4 жыл бұрын
He only did this to have a reference time for a fuel / hybrid car.
@AsbjrnEliassen
@AsbjrnEliassen 4 жыл бұрын
Do the ceed have a heatpump? I got similar mileage two years ago driving down through Sweden in my Kia Optima PHEV. Getting good mileage on city driving, but for longer trips it get very similar to an ordinary fuel car, except for the regeneration downhill. On Norwegian roads I usually get around 3,5-4,5l/100km depending on driving style, distance and night charging opportunities.
@harsimranbansal5355
@harsimranbansal5355 4 жыл бұрын
Can a model 3 be just as fast if it uses the V3 chargers??
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Almost.
@ogamiitto8627
@ogamiitto8627 4 жыл бұрын
I just don't get PHEV's philosophy. Big and heavy polluting cars, with underused electric motorisation. Studies showed that in my country, France, majority of owners never charged the battery (no home charging station+poor public charge network). It's a shame theses vehicles benefit from tax advantages, thanks to WLTP aberrations.
@DG-uv3zw
@DG-uv3zw 4 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@VolvoMetal
@VolvoMetal 4 жыл бұрын
Plug in hybrids really only make sense if you plug it in at home like a ev and commute with the electic range but want/need the option of driving further, but you could probably make due with a ev then. Most people i know as well with plug ins, never plug them in, might as well get a fossil or non plug in hybrid then, because as you said all the extra weight make them less efficient when you don't start with full battery.
@KevinT3141
@KevinT3141 4 жыл бұрын
I plug mine in whenever I get home and it scheduled charges at night when the rates are lowest. I've gone two months and 2.500 km without a fill-up, and had it not been for Covid that would have been 4,250 km thanks to my daily all-electric commute. Totally worth it for me, thank you. Why not a full EV for me? I'm selfish. In the winter when I do ten or more 400+ km round trips for snowboarding I don't want to have to stop and charge. A Model 3 Long Range could have done it but I just couldn't afford one. I'm sure my next car will be a full EV though, as prices have been coming down as volumes have been going up, and the charging network for non-Tesla's here in Canada is finally starting to fill in.
@DG-uv3zw
@DG-uv3zw 4 жыл бұрын
@@KevinT3141 Yes, your situation is ideal for PHEVs :) only problem is you are maybe one in a million :D Btw, in winter because all that extra battery and weight(and huge petrol consumption) you basically nullify that summer gain :) well, almost... but certainly to some degree... And yeah, in 8 years of exploitation you can throw away that battery...
@ogamiitto8627
@ogamiitto8627 4 жыл бұрын
@@KevinT3141 Worth it for you, you use it as it should but as I said it seems that lot of PHEV owners don't charge on daily basis at home. I feel like these hybrid vehicles cumulate flaws of both elec and fossil techs, with low efficiency of electric motorisation that, yet, worsens CO2 emissions of the fossil one.
@sylvaing3228
@sylvaing3228 4 жыл бұрын
You should try this 1000km challenge with a Model 3 LR with the 18" aerowheels, the car should be more efficient than your Performance and faster in the end.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
It's pointless. It might consume 10-20 Wh/km less which equals to 10-20 kWh less. That takes about 5 minutes extra to charge up. I'm not going to waste my time doing that test. The data we have are already good enough to estimate the time for Model 3 with 18".
@kasmopaya2676
@kasmopaya2676 4 жыл бұрын
Next test for the Teslas should be: v3 Supercharger and the time advantage of them. Also the new palladium S/X will be able to use v3 Supercharger(CCS only), because they will have CCS. My guess is that B-day will bring more information in that regard.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
@@kasmopaya2676 Good point! EVs (especially Tesla) is continously improving. Whereas fossil cars seems to be going the wrong way. A few years ago, diesel with 70 liter tank was more common. Nowadays, you get 35-40 liter tank only because of PHEV.
@kasmopaya2676
@kasmopaya2676 4 жыл бұрын
​@@bjornnyland Indeed Bjørn! I think PHEV are the worst of both worlds, i take i3 Rex for example. BMW has an interval, if you drive electric only, the fossil engine has to be used from time to time, so it doesn't take damage from boredom. But even with this forced fossil drive, the engines die sometimes, because they want to be used. Just like the brakes on any car, if they are not used, they die because of rust(boredom). So in the end, you still have oil changes, a exhaust, and all the stuff to carry around. Avoid RHEVs at all costs, go for little EVs, or save up for a good EV i would say. "Model 2" is coming from Giga Berlin in the next years, millions of Teslas per year, Musk says. Just don't go RHEV in the meantime. Better then diesel of cores, but meh. Good evening to you and your wife.
@sylvaing3228
@sylvaing3228 4 жыл бұрын
Bjørn Nyland you are right, I did not think that way... I just thought it would be nice to see the very best time we can get so that we can compare it directly to other cars without having to do the math (even though I like maths). Anyway, great video once again. 👍
@Anthroplast
@Anthroplast 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, slacking is quality time
@thorarnerugsveen5794
@thorarnerugsveen5794 4 жыл бұрын
On the long holiday trips this summer we used the diesel car even though we have two electric cars. We saved a lot of time, without spending so much more money. Just as this test showed us.
@bjornnyland
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
I guess you didn't have Teslas?
@philippegillet1892
@philippegillet1892 4 жыл бұрын
Wee all know that burning fuel is not really good and ice cars howners also criticize ev for not being that green,true but one critical element that no one talks about is that for burning fuel in a ice engine is that you need air at 21% of oxygen, it would be interesting to know for a 1000km how much air is needed !!! Can you imagine the quantity of fresh air is waisted.
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 4 жыл бұрын
Look up what actually comes out of an ice exhaust then look up what makes up air. Every liter of air passed throught the engine comes back out - just not in the same mix as it went in.
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