MG4 64 kWh 1000 km challenge

[@koomaj]

No doubt, Björn is the hardest working car tester in KZbin.

[@FFVoyager]

Not just hard working - gives useful and practical information. 👍🏼

[@hli33]

Heard he's AI

[@bilgyno1]

Wow! This is the first Chinese car which I would consider to recommend in terms of replacing a fossil family car. With range and charging times like this it is a very feasible car to replace something like a popular C-segment hatchback. And so well priced! For €33k (€30k after subsidy) vs a Golf that starts at €36k (Dutch prices), this is a no-brainer. It shows good EVs already can be cheaper than fossil. The prices for cars like the Kona, ID.3, Atto 3 etc are way too high...

[@hf81aloha]

Björn looks as if this was the third 1000km in a row without sleeping. 😅

[@siasek]

That's a really impressive result for such a cheap car, you can see that unlike Toyota, they really took care of the battery cooling system! Perfect video,, thanks a lot!

[@bjornnyland]

Thank you for your support :)

[@pxidr]

For working on it, the CCS is an overly complex comms protocol. That's why some manufacturers and EV charger manufacturers had some difficulties for implementing it.

[@MarkusLinnala]

"You either implement CCS or charge cars." Forgot who said that. Also there is tolerances in cable pins and slots, and if cable side is in another side and car is another there can be problems.

[@EngineersFear]

There are now open source implementations of CCS and CHAdeMO. The latter is some 100 lines of code while CCS is many 10000s. And it crosstalks with other nearby chargers. No wonder it goes wrong so often.

[@pxidr]

@@EngineersFear Yep, CCS is a mess, also the PHY is pretty complex (PLC) vs simple CAN for Chademo.

[@RossYoungblood]

Bjorn! Love that you are still doing EV videos!

[@jasonblair4057]

Good to see a solid affordable ev. More choice is always good for the consumer.

[@thomaseriksson3182]

Cool! Riktigt bra resultat!✌️ Tack Björn.

[@trackdaylbs]

Great video. Very pleased I went for the MG4 Trophy. It gets a lot of positive comments.

[@philipperapaccioli2868]

Thanks for another excellent 1000 Km challenge. Would love to see a similar test for the 51 KWh LFP version, or at least your theoretical estimate of the time. Consumption would be similar or a little lower if you drive slower. Charging time would be about 50% longer. I would guess around 11hrs.

[@PJWey]

Would seem all versions of the MG4 wipe the floor with Leaf and Zoe

[@DroneAndBimmerGyal]

I have an orange 2022 Trophy (Luxury in EU) Long Range. Best car I've dver owned! ❤

[@ischju]

Better than my Kona for sure! Lane assist is pretty sold in Kona though. And the coasting ability from Kona is also very decent! Love it. On the Tesla I miss the coasting.

[@KubaYa1411]

That's why I'm changing my Kona to MG4😅 can't wait for first trip already TBH

[@ischju]

@@KubaYa1411 My leasing runs out in 1.5 years. So yeah, let’s see maybe I’ll get the next iteration then. Looks promising.

[@altoclef6688]

Kona lane assist loves to push me into a head-on collision. Narrow road where I live, lane assist thinks it's one lane and when I meet another car I need to cross the edge line. Good thing it lane assist can be turned off...

[@mattiematt9607]

AVOID IONITY WITH THE MG4. I had to call the tow truck because the handshake would fail every time. Then at the 11th attempt it worked, but it’s too unreliable and risky.

[@ischju]

Honestly, the charging curve is very impressive. This is fine for even long trips.

[@Nelsonrgpereira]

Don't forget ID3 58kWh had an update to charging speed a few months back, the 1st edition test you have is now outdated... MG4 can still be faster than it, but the data needs an update, probably you will do it with the ID3 PA(please test the 58kWh instead of 77)

[@tonychallinor6721]

My MG4 was delivered yesterday. I'm so pleased at the prospect of charging so quickly. My M1 ZS EV never charges faster than 32kwh. It also has lots of handshake issues when changing for the first year. It seems that MG hadn't done the testing to get software comparability. It improved and I never have issues now. Maybe same issue for MG4

[@georgepelton5645]

32 kW

[@MisterOaks]

I’d love to see this repeated in the 51kw SE trim.

[@chasingexcellence6646]

Check Bjorn’s old video on charging comparison between 51kwh MG4, 60kwh BYD Atto 3 and Ora. MG4 and Atto3 was a tie, while MG4 was faster in the beginning but slower towards 80%-90%, and ora was slowest all the way.

[@heijxje]

51 kW has an iron based battery and charges at only 85-90 kW/h max. Should take considerably more time to charge it, also probably needs more stops since the range on one battery will be significantly less. Then again, seeing as TB charges to 60% only a few times, I think that for this car precious minutes can be won by choosing chargers farther apart and charging to 80%. Would save a stop or maybe even two.

[@simondehaas8784]

Would be interested to see how quickly the ID3 Pro S facelift could do 1000km when it comes out. Later ID3s have got more efficient and the Pro S facelift has the Buzz' charging curve so I think it'd do very well. Am impressed with this MG4 charging ability though, super flat.

[@ProCelestialEmpire]

Dude that notes make you stand out and it will pay off.

[@PontusYT]

I had some kind of a brake failure when I test drove the MG4. The brake pedal went all the way down, it became extremely hard, luckily I gave it a quick pump and a hard kick which stopped the car. I was actually surprised I didn’t crash into a stationary car at a red light. Not for me this car.

[@riccardodanesin4531]

Mg4 for the win! I have and it's super

[@TorAsbjoern]

How is the MG4 during winter? 12 volts issues?

[@riccardodanesin4531]

@@TorAsbjoern no isssues with 12v at all.

[@JohnR31415]

First gen MG ZS, and we’ve had handshake issues kill the car - requiring a 12v reset

[@greenbeast45amg90]

What is handshake issues?

[@rui569]

This MG4 is a very good surprise. I'd take it.

[@letauch]

🎉 for reaching 300k subscribers!

[@dutchbavarian]

I'd love to see another 1000km test with the 2023 facelift model.

[@ricco123tube]

MG has just announced the MG4 77kw and also a 430bhp 0-60 3.8 sec version too.

[@bjornnyland]

77 kW is only 105 hp, not 430.

[@EXSKIN]

@@bjornnyland The X-power AWD is 443bhp same 64KW battery ,the 77Kw is 240bhp RWD UK spec

[@bjuraga]

@bjornnyland, i would love to hear what would be your time estimate for the 77kw version to do 1000kms

[@jestronixhanderson9898]

Just tested the xpower ! Dam ! 3.8 fast and finally throttle response!

[@PatricMelander]

Spot on with the estimation! That is impressive! 🤩

[@gzcwnk]

The BYD Dolphin has a hard task ahead of it to beat this car by the looks of it.

[@AWildBard]

I wonder how much smaller is the Dolphin? The price is 29,990 Euros I think 3,000 cheaper

[@stoapfalzrunden4150]

@@AWildBard But with smaller battery und less power.

[@AWildBard]

@@stoapfalzrunden4150 yeah, it's not in the same level I don't think

[@davidbrookes9424]

Can you do a video on setting up the sensors in the car scanner app please mate?

[@morgenmicha]

I wish I had seen this video a week ago. I was on the road for the first time last Saturday with my new MG4 Lux on a 570 km long-distance holiday trip, using the Ionity Chargepass. I had constant problems with handshakes, which was very annoying and unsettling despite my eight years of BEV experience. Is it now Ionity or the car? I have no experience with other providers with the MG.

[@arpa592]

Are you planing to do the 1000km test with the 51kWh version as well? Would be interesting to see how much the difference in real conditions. Nice videos, congrats for your growing family.

[@Tsenngu]

Just made a leasing deal on the MG4 luxury here in Norway with 0 cash up front. 25 000kilometers pr year including car insurance for 580$ a month. This is a bloody fantastic deal here. ( for comparison a Nissan leaf is for some reason 150$ more????) The cost if you want the standard 15K kilometers pr year it is 500.

[@kruemelfelix]

Just a quick question: Is Ionity with your old plan still cheaper than Tesla? Because I wonder why you always still go to Ionity. All new Ionity plans now are at 50ct/kWh or so and really not worth it.

[@jacobsmedegaard5426]

I think you should re do the id3/ born, with the 77kwh batteri, for 1000km challenge, because it charges with about 170kw peak now, so i think the time will be much better than the old one🙂

[@NeroSelle]

The 58kwh results are also outdated, they were done before the lift from 100kw to 120kw (i have seen over 130 delivered from charger) update

[@Nelsonrgpereira]

​@@NeroSelleyeah it can go to 135kw on some cases.

[@KubaYa1411]

Since peak power lasts for only a couple of minutes in VW, you won't save a lot of time I think. I imagine we are talking about 15 minutes maybe at the end of the day.

[@jacobsmedegaard5426]

@@KubaYa1411 i think it will be faster, because the vw id buzz have the same size batteri and it charges way faster than the old curve of ide, but i don't know if the og id3/born have the same curve as the id buzz, but if it has, then the time will be much faster, and it also have better consumption than the mg4 and it was driven at the Norway route and now there's also more chargers, so I'm curious to see how fast it will be now also 🙂

[@KubaYa1411]

@@jacobsmedegaard5426 it will be faster for sure as charges quicker, but if you trim around 2-3 minutes at each charging session you won't improve general score by 2hrs 😉

[@emil10139]

In Spain: TM3 SR (491 km WLTP, 170 kW CC): 39990 € MG4 Luxury (450 km WLTP, 135 kW CC): 37190 € BYD Dolphin Design (427 km WLTP, 88 kW CC): 37690 € The better in term of quality/price is obvious, but with all that Tesla needs a compact car with the same range. And yeah, the chinese need to lower their prices in oder to be competitive.

[@colla555]

You can see the trip meter while charging. Just press the right steering wheel button (as long as the icon on the top row above the "pop up" is lit up blue.

[@nathanwolf5547]

When I first had my ZS I found the same issues with chargers to handshaking. It took a little while for the operators to update their machines. It can’t have been the car as it hadn’t had any updates at that point.

[@michalvaner3167]

As a software developer, I can tell you that the thing that is at fault and the thing that gets it fixed aren't always the same. I wouldn't be surprised if the car did something wrong (not according to the protocol), but the chargers were updated to accommodate for its misbehavior, because unlike the cars, they could be updated relatively easily.

[@kevinmatthews2620]

good to know it charges like a boss on the Tesla SC Bjorn sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :) :)

[@c.brinker4387]

Thanks for a further long distance trip. The charging power is really awesome if you take the price of the car into account and compared with the slow VWs

[@narvuntien]

Hmm the charging problems will be annoying. Still have to compare it to the BYD Dolphin, which is the only comparable car value wise, I think, since that has a longer range than the small battery MG4 (also LFP has different charging characteristics) at the same price.

[@zeventwaalf712]

I had the ionity charging stopped issue a few times aswell with ionity. Not just the MG4, also Cupra Born. It starts for 1 second and then it stops and says 'Thanks for charging'. I encountered some other people and they said that Ionity has to reset the chargers then.

[@clayton4115]

20:25 would be interesting to see how the 77kwh Mg4 does.

[@electriccarstv]

Veľmi dobrý výsledok

[@johankarlsson6]

Sehr schnell despite Baustelle. 😮

[@pawekropi5077]

If you could also test the 4x4 top spec version, please 🙂.

[@blairjayson]

What he should report is the total time spent charging for the 1000km. Since he's correcting for stau the driving time is nearly the same for each car. The only difference between cars is the charging time, which depends on battery size, charge rate and the wh/km of the car. Then the total trip time = t_drive+t_charge.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope, it's not that easy. Not all cars can drive at the exact same speed. If you watch many of these challenges, you will see.

[@plamengichev919]

what is the name of the song that plays from time to time, its very cool.

[@maxlunatic6545]

With mg4 on the market, stellantis can pack their ev's and send them to recycling center

[@zimben8]

Sawasdee krab. Great test as always abc 555. I could life and change a view things with 2tone colors and different Wheels outside, the range and charging is good but the horrible,unsafe,extreme cheap and bland locking interior makes it a no go for me. This MG4 with the interior from the Ora Good Cat, and i would buy my first EV. Now i still have to wait... especially here in Thailand. How about the new Honda e:NS1 of HR-V basis ? U , hard working Man , take care.

[@thomashierzberger6945]

Cool! Björn, if i look at your consumption-column i cannot understand how it can be that high on almost every car? Your driving speed is very low and consistent. No crazy Settings on climate either. What am I missing?

[@bjornnyland]

Very low? How fast do you think I'm driving?

[@muggy._.7021]

@@bjornnyland120 km/h lol

[@thomashierzberger6945]

@@bjornnyland Guess around 120 km/h. Do you have a different asphalt or more elevation difference?

[@yj.c.]

EVs in general are inefficient at high speeds and efficient at city speeds - which is the opposite of fossils.

[@colla555]

Weird that you had the handshake problem with ionity. On Pfalzwerke and ENBW it worked every time.

[@gustavopedrosa81]

My use my a/c on ECO to give me a more realistic temperature

[@steakikan]

Too bad the price here is about the same as Ioniq 5 with less battery (51kwh variant). Gotta wait for other Chinese EV Maker and if nothing provide more value than Ioniq I think it will be a hardsell.

[@morganjohansson3341]

Ser riktigt trevlig ut. Har inte lagt märke till MG innan dessa elbilar

[@AutsajderRR]

why you charge with lights on?

[@IslaSprollie]

Good car but very colour sensitive, looks a little strange in bright colours. Better in Black/Dark grey

[@87tln]

Mg is impressing.

[@andersnor2]

Har samme handshake-problem med Xpeng G3 på noen Recharge-ladere🤔 Og på noen MER-ladere stopper ladingen ca halvveis før den er ferdig

[@charlotteclayman2556]

Any idea why my battery temp is showing -37.5?

[@vasylpoz]

Hello What is the nawet of Phone aplication to ev battery check please ?

[@janvilladsen2730]

Like to see the byd atto 3 range and 1000 km in norway. Know you did in thailand

[@keyem4504]

The climate controls looked strange. That's not what I know from the MG4. Is there any special software on the car?

[@mbx71]

@Bjørn did you know there is an app ChargeFinder shows the occupancy of Ionity chargers with level of car battery? In Ireland it works only with Ionity. Maybe it is something you can check for us? Can't add picture here

[@JohnR31415]

That really ought to be available as a standard API from all networks.

[@bjornnyland]

Yes. They even made a custom link to Teslabjorn on chargefinder.

[@Balance1973]

Was dead keen on getting hold of one, even just the 51kWh version. The charging handshake issues have taken some of the sheen away. Will now wait until the Model 2 is revealed, at least.

[@Octamed]

I wonder if a software update will come to address them?

[@Owsryudie]

My car is so efficient that I am shocked by these numbers. 64kwh for 200km let's say...?? XDDDDDD

[@kruemelfelix]

@@Snerdles 250Wh/km is insane. Like really inefficient for that car class.

[@林振华-t4v]

​@@kruemelfelixthis is actually a good number for my model 3 in winter tire.

[@kruemelfelix]

@@林振华-t4v What for crap tires do you have on your Model 3 that you need 250Wh/km in Winter? :O I'm at a average of 180 during November to February

[@shivan6416]

0.30 : Almost efficient as model 3. End of the trip: +30% consumption Big laugh, tx bjorn😂 But still very good car for the price 👍

[@bjornnyland]

It was efficient at low speed when going to Arctic Circle. At motorways, it was a different story.

[@shivan6416]

@@bjornnyland thats True ! Big penalty at high speed, like others MG unfortunately. But this one charges like a boss 😎

[@PJWey]

@@bjornnylandas you noted the drag coefficient. Good thing UK roads are all jammed full of slow traffic!

[@SustainableGal]

14:58 I bet the Russ stuck it there when you last parked at home? maybe when one of them came to take a dump on your driveway 😨

[@zoltanszeles9394]

MG4 with heatpump, and battery preconditioning kr 346300. Model 3 SR+ kr 369990. Less than 7 percent difference.

[@deanstyles2567]

Interesting that there's such a small difference in Norway. Here in Australia the Model 3 is $AU61300 plus on roads and the lower trim 64kWh MG4 will be $AU44990 plus on roads when it launches soon.

[@DrRogB]

Big difference in the UK too

[@zoltanszeles9394]

@@deanstyles2567 Just the highest trim has heatpump, and battery preconditioning, but it won't make much difference in Australia. But the lowest trim also has smaller battery, slower charging, less performance.

[@rjbiker66]

​@@zoltanszeles9394 the 51kwh MG4 is AUD39k + on road costs.

[@lukasz401]

Nice! But Model 3 1600 GBP to insure and MG4 900 GBP to insure. I am returning my Model Y LR because of the insurance costs, it would cost me 2000 GBP when my lease ends. BMW i4 idrive40 - 1200 GBP to insure.

[@repairman2be250]

A question from Down Under ( Australia that is), how much does it cost to charge an EV? I am impressed by Europe have infrastructure for EV, Australia is like 15 years behind.

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

All depends on your electricity prices for home charging. but for fast charging my wife pays pay an average of 50p per kWh in her Hyundai Kona, so around 25 quid (sterling) to charge to 100% for around 300 miles range (ish, these are not exact maths) as opposed to my Tiguan which costs me around 80 quid to fill up. and the range isn't a huge amount different tbh as my tiguan is a thirsty bitch, I think I got 300 odd miles last tank.

[@wigs1098]

40 to 60 cents per kWh is what I have seen in Australia. Depends on the charging company and time of day as well.

[@repairman2be250]

@@wigs1098 Alright, thank you very much indeed.

[@swatcher1]

Thanks for the vid and the conclusion ^^

[@olivetom1410]

"almost as efficient as a model 3" hum... No! At high speedy it is far from model 3.

[@VortexMotiveVision]

Very helpful.

[@rogerfinch7651]

Like a boooooossssssss! 👍

[@rmkkkk]

MG4 looks like bz4x from back 😂

[@Lewis_Standing]

Bjorn, why are you doing this to yourself doing night shift driving? You looked exhausted and unhappy at 9 mins. I get it's a popular segment but this sort of thing actually does kill brain cells. If im doing 1000km in my EV I'm not going at night to avoid traffic etc. I love the content but don't want to burn you out with this stuff.

[@JohnR31415]

Consistency is the important thing. No point in measuring a different traffic jam each time.

[@bjornnyland]

To avoid left lane huggers and ladestau.

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤

[@bradenmckay9576]

Like a baaaaaaaaars

[@BoomChing]

Yo Watsup

[@mediamike693]

+++🤩🐸🚗++SEEMS LIKE A GOOD CAR + IT IS PRICED 💲💲💲 WELL+++A CAR 🚘 WELL LOOKING INTO+++🤓+++👍🤗++++OFF 2 MY MG BEALER I GO+++🤓🐸🚘+++

[@aswad7368]

64 kwh and only 280 km?

[@davidkendall2272]

Bjorn, what are your thoughts on Europe converting to NCS charging standard now that Ford, GM, and Rivian have moved to adopt it in North America over CCS charging standard? For me over past 10+ years charging using Tesla NCS standard has been so easy, seamless, and trouble free I think it is way better IMHO. I have never had a handshake problem with NCS.

[@karlitono]

EU will force USB-C next for EVs. 😂 Seriously, CCS is standard in Europe and that's fine.

[@b127_1]

NACS in EU is not happening. Even tesla themselves use CCS2 over here. Most of the issues in NA aren't the fault of CCS. They just have crappy chargers and little experience in running and installing them. In Europe we have both crap CCS, but also good CCS chargers, like tesla, kempower or hypercharger. In addition, parts of Europe use 3 phase AC charging extensively, which the tesla plug doesn't support. I wonder how well NACS will perform when EA gets their hands on them. Superchargers have good reliability because tesla fixes issues immediately. EA will happily wait a few weeks or more. A different plug can't fix them not caring.

[@anttitoivonen7339]

Never going to happen as NACS only supports single phase AC charging and Europe is using 3-phase. CCS2 has no competition in Europe.

[@kruemelfelix]

Europe will NEVER get NACS. It's simply not possible as Europe has 3-Phase AC and the NACS simply doesn't support it. Tesla tried to use Type2-DC-Mid in Europe with old S&X but noticed that compared to the US with NACS that plug can't sustain more than 350A continous load and then also decided to go the CCS route (and some time later EU forced CCS as well). CCS2 is smaller than CCS1 in the US and also is the smallest connector possible here (which exists).

[@anttitoivonen7339]

Last CCS handshake problems I had with Model 3 were in 2019 when the car had just arrived to Europe. They were fixed quicky. CCS Combo 2 works very well now with Tesla.

[@tridrean]

♥♥♥

[@karlitono]

We want an AWD MG

[@alfrredd]

X-FORCE (64kWh 4WD 430HP) and LR (77kWh 2WD 240HP) versions are coming to europe this year. 😋

[@pawelzebrowski683]

Structure is not enough for me not enough safe, by the way at least they have5 stars not like c4

[@claessjostrom565]

Hi

[@apauma1]

Tesla model 3 is better in every way and the price difference is minimal. Why would somebody buy these chinese car?

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

minimal? it's an extra 15 grand for a model 3 in the UK... Also this has indicator stalks and a driver display.

[@apauma1]

@@DreadpirateflappyThe difference here is 5500 EUR if you compare the 64kw MG4 comfort with the model 3 rwd...and even with the bigger battery it has less range, less power, no supercharger network...tesla has better infotainment, speakers, efficiency, better driving assist it can do sharper corners. The downside of tesla, is the hard dampening (the new model 3 is more comfortable, lack of pdc, the vision parking is a joke. The drivers display i never miss. It is impresive every where you park you can watch youtube in 4k, netflix, tidal music, browse in internet, it has sentry mode, live cameras around you tesla... But if the difference is 15000 the mg4 is absolut worth looking.

[@jasonbello1408]

no one buy this in china.

[@danielsvensson9802]

First

[@currymacka15]

To bad it’s from China.

[@ensteffo]

Nah that's fine.

[@nordic5490]

Why ? Your house is full of stuff made in China, including the device you made that comment on. Most Teslas are made with Chinese battteries now.

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

Like every phone and pretty much every other electronic... do you not own a phone, laptop or any other gadget?

[@RogueMaverick_]

Bro step up your EXEL game. Rank by filter, make graphs..you can do better❤

[@bjornnyland]

Make a copy and you can do whatever you want.

[@bjornnyland]

And it's called Excel...