Lexus RZ 450e 1000 km challenge

[@br9mo]

9:35, Yes zeekr has started delivering to costumers in Sweden. We took delivery of our zeekr 001 a month ago

[@wowwow4942]

yes, a more comfortable and more equipped version of a polestar 4

[@veljkodjukic8783]

@Bjørn Nyland Did u know that Zeekr get new update. Now is reduce some irritating sounds which u notice in your first test. I'd like you to test it again, this time at the 1000 km challenge 😊

[@swecreations]

10:41 I like having the charging cable here, makes it even easier to plug in when parked in your garage as you're exiting your car.

[@adamkada8901]

Bjorn's music style is finally revealed

[@pontusa9533]

The closed stretch through Ljungskile Will be paved in june and opened for traffic in july according to news today.

[@mrrkrr]

+20 ninja calculation skills 🥷

[@Mark-de4hj]

Enjoyed this a lot man. Great personality! And definitely a sweet looking Lexus!

[@veluria]

New IONITY prices from tomorrow! Only 3 NOK with the premium pass. :)

[@colla555]

In Germany basically no changes. Still 69ct and 49ct with 5,99€ monthly. But a new option starts at 39ct for 11,99€ monthly. (Either way, since their chargers are spaced so far apart ENBW still is the better option (even Tesla Superchargers are more common than ionity, but still not as common as ENBW).

[@bellumCretatus]

It is written: EnBW. Ionity has many well located Autobahn locations, and once you travel also outside of Germany, you get nothing for your 17,99€ EnBW subscription.

[@rasch19785]

The punishment system is simply limiting the battery to 3.8 fast charging sessions in 24hrs .. this is up from 2 fast charging session/24hrs before the summer 2023 update

[@sargfowler9603]

Still 79.9p in the UK at service stations.

[@bobo-san]

ni ni ni ni 🤣😂 is the best part!

[@85glen]

This is hillarius, i belive a saw you when i was going back to Norway. or rather you passed me on the left :P Tried the Fat Leaf on a longe drive from Bergen To Ullared :)

[@robinholmes785]

Is the aggressive charge throttling to protect there ICE sales?? I have seen legacy manufactures craftily doing things to downgrade the EV experience, allowing the car salesman to convert an EV sale into an ICE sale.

[@lautoka63]

"Rich man's Toyota": that'll upset a few Lexus owners!

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

Haha, no it won't.

[@IstvanDarabos]

Why? That's the truth.

[@lautoka63]

@@IstvanDarabos And that's precisely why it'll upset them.

[@Odinscrow1962]

People get upset at the drop of a hat nowadays. Chill and have a laugh instead 🎉🎊

[@javieroargubi]

all lexus users know they want toyota reliability with luxury so they wont get upset with your statement

[@atledavidsen4837]

Is the car on 18" wheels or 20" wheels? Edit; Seems to be on 18" as the re-test of bZ4X was. You said 235/60 in the video and that would be 18 ;) Biggest differences would be from temperature, deep charge and driving speed. They are both made on the same factory (Aichi, Japan). So better would translate to styling and interior. Drivetrain and battery on AWD are similar acc. specs. The Lexus has a larger motor in the front but is also heavier. Anyway; thank you very much for the test. We are driving our bZ4X Executive Bitone from Norway to a greek island via Turkey in june - apx. 3.700 km. one way, so nice with tips IF we decide to "hammer it" from time to time. After 10 drives over the years this year's trip is more about experiencing Europe so the plan is smaller roads and some destination charging. Absolutely love the car btw.

[@rasch19785]

last summer I checked the infrastructure around Athens and I thought it lacked somewhat(and pricier than I expected) ,but then again,max highway speed is 90-100 so it's ok .

[@chriauc2976]

lol you like pain good luck keep convincing yourself it’s fun

[@justinseau]

Must be in nice to visit multiple countries with different food and cultures on your road trip. I did a 4,900 km road trip from Melbourne to Sunshine Coast, north of Brisbane and return in Australia and it was the same people, food and culture - not even close to leaving the country 😂

[@atledavidsen4837]

@@justinseau It is really nice yes. We get to see so much. We prefer the smaller places and towns, always experiencing that people are people where ever we go. Genuine hospitality, amazing food, staggering architecture, views aso. All whilst staying off the "beaten track". Our plan this year is Norway-Denmark by ferry. Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Turkey and finally our second home in Chios, Greece for 4-5 months. Can't wait to go. 😄

[@pine111]

At 6:34 when the car randomly started playing music and started talking to you at the same time got a laugh out of me. Still would never buy one of these, better options out there for a similar price. And why would I buy an EV from a company that’s denounced EVs as being bad all the time, even to the point where they lobbied against multiple clean air regulations?

[@miraphycs7377]

at least they are not like hyundai which hides recalls or byd which spend enormous amount of time silencing critics

[@pine111]

@@miraphycs7377 Toyota fighting against EV adoption for the entire industry by pushing against clean air regulations that would help our environment and the air we breathe just to benefit themselves is arguably worse than what you listed. And then having a giant BS marketing campaign about being “beyond zero” even though they aren’t even remotely close to being zero nevertheless “beyond zero” is borderline greenwashing. Also don’t forget Toyota has done similar things to what you’ve listed those other companies as doing, don’t forget they had an unintentional acceleration scandal that took over 80 people’s lives and they had the audacity to blame it on solely user error and badly installed floor mats when they had an accelerator pedal with a design flaw they knew about but was trying to hide from the public and government. They tried so hard to make the public believe it was the users fault and not their fault even though it was, in most cases, Toyotas fault. Thats scummy.

[@Edgar.10]

How did you get more info on your dash? i have a 2023 and i don't any of those extra info/date on my dash. Did the deal do a firmware update? (i am in the USA)

[@Edgar.10]

I've only seen max of 130kW max alos, and only for short time. I hope with a new firmware update it can do the full 150kW charging speed.

[@l4c166]

I Like the license plate 😁🤘

[@ParzivalHB]

Solid results for the RZ! And you know the RZ will still be supported many many years down the road unlike many other EV brands. Haters gonna hate, but their is no denying Lexus/Toyota quality and reliability.

[@yourcrazybear]

"Solid results for the RZ! " Incorrect. In reality it was quite mediocre. It was beaten by 73 other cars while it only beat 55 other cars. "And you know the RZ will still be supported many many years down the road unlike many other EV brands." That's a weird claim. "Haters gonna hate, but their is no denying Lexus/Toyota quality and reliability." Is that why so many customers returned their subpar BZ4X cars due to poor winter range? Or why Toyota issued a recall on the model because of the risk of losing the wheels while driving? It's kind of interesting how one of the largest automakers in the world is at the bottom when it comes to EV transition. Add to that their stupid claims about EVs and it's not hard to understand why so many people view Toyota as the clown of the industry.

[@ParzivalHB]

@@yourcrazybear The overall on this car is descent charge speed, pretty low consumption rate and EXCELLENT driving qualities with ride and build. That's SOLID. You are taking one metric and throwing this car in the garbage can. Future support is IMPORTANT - not a weird comment at all. Knowing your car company has a long history of survival, strong dealer network for any repairs necessary with an appropriate parts bin to replace parts without taking months, software updates, recalls, etc. is MEANINGFUL. Those are the other boxes many car company can't check ie. Tesla's takes months to repair, Fisker out of business, Rivian (hmm maybe they will survive?), Hyundai/Kia denying battery claims resulting in a totalled car, VW horrible software needing to hard reset the ID4. Pick your poison, there is NO perfect car company.

[@yourcrazybear]

​@@ParzivalHB "@yourcrazybear The overall on this car is descent charge speed, pretty low consumption rate and EXCELLENT driving qualities with ride and build. That's SOLID." If it had great charging speed and consumption the results would not have been mediocre in this test. It's not solid. It's mediocre. " You are taking one metric and throwing this car in the garbage can." I was commenting on the topic for this video, as were you. If you want to take a swing at the mediocre range you are welcome to do that as well. "Future support is IMPORTANT - not a weird comment at all. Knowing your car company has a long history of survival, strong dealer network for any repairs necessary with an appropriate parts bin to replace parts without taking months, software updates, recalls, etc. is MEANINGFUL. " On the contrary. It's a weird comment if you try and claim that the clown of the industry would be the safest bet for long term support. The simple fact is that if Toyota doesn't get their shit together soon they will meet the same fate as Nokia and Kodak. It's a risky move to buy a Toyota today. "Those are the other boxes many car company can't check ie." Nonsense. Tesla is the leader in the industry. They would be the last company to fall. Legacy automakers on the other are fighting for their survival. "Tesla's takes months to repair, " You better hide from people with experience telling another story. "Fisker out of business, " So will Toyota unless they change their path. "Rivian (hmm maybe they will survive?)," They are putting in a greater effort than Toyota to say the least. "Hyundai/Kia denying battery claims resulting in a totalled car," There are countless happy owners of Hyndai and Kia. "VW horrible software needing to hard reset the ID4." Horrible software? Much like the rest of the legacy automakers then, including Toyota. "Pick your poison, there is NO perfect car company." Which is kind of irrelevant since I never claimed that. It also doesn't change the fact that this car did get mediocre results in the test.

[@ianrob4760]

@@yourcrazybear History has shown us any company can collapse if the leaders do not look forward. Yes we look at Fisker but this is a tech world now and things move so fast and software defined cars which these are will be judged against market leaders. One reason Tesla is failing because others caught up and over taken and on top its build quality. However will it collapse, nope because ver gets that close a legacy maker will easily buy it

[@yourcrazybear]

@@ianrob4760 "@yourcrazybear History has shown us any company can collapse if the leaders do not look forward. Yes we look at Fisker but this is a tech world now and things move so fast and software defined cars which these are will be judged against market leaders. " Sure. That's why automakers are being compared to Tesla today. "One reason Tesla is failing because others caught up and over taken and on top its build quality. " You seem confused. Tesla is not failing. They are in fact the leader in the industry. "However will it collapse, nope because ver gets that close a legacy maker will easily buy it" You seem confused again. The legacy automakers are the ones struggling for their survival here.

[@TillGroos]

My info from Toyota is, that you don't get less punishment points if you charge slower. Would be nice, if it was like that. You should have limited the charging to 125kW to avoid the rapid gate, if that's possible in the rich mans Toyota. I drove 1300km over 4 days last weekend in nice 20°C weather, consumption was around 200Wh/km (2WD). We traveled with 5 adults, the car is always ready before the humans are. Nice and spacious car to travel with, but to big for the city.

[@bjornnyland]

There was no rapidgate.

[@stijndeklerk]

Why does it have to throttle back? I don't get it.

[@szalaigabor1714]

Probably because they bought some shitty cells and built that into the car so when you fast charge a lot, the cells individual SoC% will drift away from each other (because of different coulombic and Wh based efficiencies) and the BMS can't balance them fast enough so the BMS need time to rebalance the pack to avoid sharp SoC drops at low charge levels. Can't imagine any other reason.

[@bellumCretatus]

Must be the advanced Toyota battery technology

[@serhiim534]

Thanks!

[@taz2491]

Did they manage to put a glovebox into a premium Lexus? (The Toyota bz4x didn't have any :p )

[@franpostigo7669]

Good evening Bjorn, I've been following your channel for a long time. I wanted to ask you a question, I really like the Toyota bZ4X, but your comments are very negative, hasn't the update corrected the charging errors? I would like you to give me your opinion. Excuse my English, which is very poor. Thank You. Greetings from Huelva, Spain.

[@franpostigo7669]

@@aeroauto-h1b No 😉

[@MBergyman]

So, I can do 621mi days in total comfort, quiet, with a bangin sound system and living space and only cost me a couple hours of driving/charging on those days? Also, these cars are being quite nearly given away with really poor RVs on the lease. As long as the driving experience is up to par for Lexus, this will be my next car (huge step up from my Bolt). Thanks to all the spec sheet warriors for helping me get a high end Lexus at mid range Toyota prices.

[@apicharjiratanan4285]

Zeeker share same factory with volvo I would consider it

[@yourcrazybear]

"Zeeker share same factory with volvo I would consider it" Why?

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Zeekr is made by a different team of people than Volvo. Volvo and Polestar share a lot.

[@swecreations]

It's really unneccesary to have these "punishment points" when batteries in EVs are lasting 15+ years. Rated cycle life on the batteries in most new EVs puts them at over a million kilometers before reaching 80% capacity. I do like that the tires has some proper sidewall though and not some awful 21" rims.

[@hynoor7254]

BYD just announce the new 5-gen DMi cars, can run up to 2500km per fill up.

[@stephan4ever64]

Throttle and Coldgate. What does that mean?

[@Gazer75]

Sheesh Bjørn! Need to clean that lense :P

[@Im-mono]

You should do a BYD qin L 2400km challenge

[@kirlu50]

An interesting kpi would be the average speed including charging time, where you end with the same state of charge as you begin with 🔋

[@kosiranze]

A 1000 km challenge is probably not that far off from that, as the test should asimptotically approach the number that your idea for testing would net. And you could actually derive that data from within the test, by removing the time and distance traveled from the first leg up to a point where the soc is the same as it will be reached on the last charge of the test.

[@kosiranze]

@@Moody_Blues_ it would be comparable, but just as in the 1000km challenge, the soc to which the car gets charged would differ. This test would essentially present the cars average travel speed with charging on an infinetely long trip. The 1000km challenge otoh is arguably more relevant irl, as you generally start a road trip with a full battery and end with it somewhat empty. The presented test would essentially eliminate the advantage of a big battery for road trips in terms of range purely, and present the travel speeds after the first leg more accurately. If you are not sure on why that could be usefull, check out out of spec roadtrip comparison between lucid air and taycan, which clearly demonstrates that while lucid initially is faster due to its longer range, the taycan starts to gain on it after a few charges.

[@kirlu50]

@@Moody_Blues_ Anyway, it would still be interesting 🙂

[@ΣτέφανοςΚόκκαλης-τ1ν]

How its resetting? You plug a/c?

[@bjornnyland]

No way to reset. Just wait.

[@valtersvasilis]

@@bjornnyland I bet that there is a way. It might be as easy as changing time and date in car, maybe you need also somehow disable GPS (to prevent car from knowing time) and/or remove 12v connection (and BIOS battery if this car have something like that).

[@RupOase]

It's funny that Kona at around 0°C gets almost the same 1000km time, like the car that is more expensive, much newer, with improved aerodynamics and with hacks on, on top of the better weather. While I agree that the AWD will draw more energy, it's still a new chemistry than the one on the older Kona (that I have) and it seems to me that Toyota is actively mocking their customers (when it comes to EVs) on purpose so that they'd continue their hybrid legacy

[@LJLion]

Punishment point, really! Why would anyone buy this? Would I be able to claim the punishment point in reverse where they pay me back every time I get punished for using my car's battery. Toyota has become such a joke of a company. This is why I sold my Tacoma to move to a Ford Lightning.

[@yo2trader539]

Most automakers currently lose money for each BEV they sell (except for Tesla and BYD). Whether GM, Ford, Hyundai, or most Chinese and European companies, everyone is losing money in their EV business, which is why many are pulling back from EVs and shifting towards hybrids. Toyota would also become less profitable if this model became popular. Toyota's main EV product will be introduced around 2027/2028 with their Solid-State Batteries. It's why you don't seem them marketing their EVs. The less they sell, the better for Toyota.

[@LJLion]

@@yo2trader539 are you a Toyota mouthpiece? Legend has it once a consumer has had a bad delt hand, they're gone forever.

[@bellumCretatus]

@@yo2trader539 do you mean the solid state batteries they announced like 3 times in the past and then moved the date 5 years each time they missed their target?

[@manya3084a]

They release these terrible cars so customers trade in for a hybrid.

[@miraphycs7377]

bro clearly states that this is fine. Your deranged toyota hate is causing you to not see reality. U live in a la-la land

[@verygoodbrother]

The Kona is pretty good considering it is only 15 mins slower but at colder ambient temperature.

[@krzysztofkenobi8072]

So what happens if you go for 10 000km trip? How many fast charges you can make until it start to charge slower?

[@bjornnyland]

Nothing because you need to sleep.

[@krzysztofkenobi8072]

@@bjornnyland so if you travel onee day 1300km and second day next 1000km then throtling will not happen? On Lexus webpage there is mentioned DC Fast Charging is limited to two cycles of charging (Low → 80%) per day throughout the year. Two fatcharges per day is terryfying. But through a year would mean 730 fastcharges a year. Do the non fastcharging days accumulate so we can fastcharge more often after that ?

[@Thulebeez]

Execellent now this is proper review we have been waiting for , guess it time to place an order for the 2025 model year.

[@PenkoAngelov]

And that's the best Toy-ota can do!? Oof... "Can't do this, can't do that, don't do it like that or you get punished" Shiiiiiit...

[@miraphycs7377]

all electric car have "punishment" point. U sound like a toyota hater which is not surprising from deranged EVangelists

[@miraphycs7377]

bro clearly states that this is fine. Your deranged toyota hate is causing you to not see reality. U live in a la-la land

[@yourcrazybear]

Apparently. 😅

[@broderwow]

you might say that Toyota/Lexus encourages safe driving ;)

[@Allyourmonkeys]

I've been a Lexus driver for 10+ years. I love the brand for the reliability, luxury and maintenance cost. Yet now that I'm looking into going electric it's just not an option. They're so far behind on everything. The interface is horrible (always has been), and for the actual money you're paying the range is shit, the performance is crap. It's just an all-around bad look for such an established company. What's the actual market for these cars?

[@pouleichel2760]

"still charge faster that a leaf"......

[@szalaigabor1714]

Yeah. 10 years of additional development so I kind of expect it to be better :D

[@Mr.Kerokerokero]

Why model 3 highland 1000km result so bad?

[@bjornnyland]

Very cold

[@Odinscrow1962]

Let’s hope the wheels don’t fall off

[@limelight777]

😂😂😂

[@yourcrazybear]

🤣

[@benjaminsmith2287]

It's kind of pathetic to go back that far for this tired "joke."

[@SamiPaju]

17:45 Oops I did it again! :D

[@briannissen5762]

Thanks for the video. Very nice car. Not the best EV car, but i never drive 1000 km a day. 😊

[@yourcrazybear]

It's a mediocre car.

[@Wasssup3232]

What is dumb is Hyundai offers a 10 year battery warranty and don’t do the punishments system. Also the long term reports on EVs with over 100K miles that were primarily fast charged show only 10% degradation at the most.

[@MrVeeBlog]

C'mon Bjorn. Where are you hiding your boots and cowboy hat? lol. jk Thanks for this ride along

[@miraphycs7377]

If you are talking about efficiency, combined hgwy+city in SUV category. Only Tesla Model Y(AWD, Long Range AWD, RWD) gets more Le/km. If you are looking at whole bev category then only Lucid air touring and pure, Ioniq 6, Model Y and 3 are the only ones more efficient than this/bz4x. They match Model S, EV6, Bolt EV and EUV. It still more efficient than ID4, Ioniq 5, Model X, Mach E and everything from BMW and Audi.

[@SamiPaju]

Whenever I see a BZ4X taxi, I feel really sorry for whoever bought that car for that use... Or maybe they are driven by masochists...

[@darroncrick9993]

We went from a Ioniq PHEV to an Leaf 40kWh to a Lexus UX petrol. The Lexus is no dearer to run as it is so efficient and 10x more comfortable. Now we are back in a car that will do 1,000km without stopping and takes 5 minutes to "recharge" we won't be back in an EV for many years. I suspect we are not alone. I think EVs has past the point of unlimited sales growth....

[@HK-sd1mr]

Doing 10000km without stopping is stupid.

[@bartvandenpoel8568]

It's worse than my van that has the aerodynamics of a garden shed. Premium ??

[@sonnydaze1478]

16:40 This why the left is the worst side. 😉

[@JJSmith1100]

I would prefer a car I can drive what ever way I want to. This car sounds to complicated.

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

Tehn you should get an ICE car. EVs are limited.

[@yourcrazybear]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 "Tehn you should get an ICE car. EVs are limited." Limited in what way?

[@JJSmith1100]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 I understand that you have to drive differently and you have to understand battery charging, but this Lexus sounds to complicated if you want to get decent range and charging speed. It just seems that Tesla, probably most other brands, is basically just plug in and go.

[@SamiPaju]

6:45 ROFL

[@论论]

Dont buy it plz, save your money for RX better… my Lexus dealer is a very honest man on earth, he saying that EV tech is so new at the moment and china is very strong in R&D that upgrading each generation to next generation in 3 to 4 years. So if you buy RZ with very expensive price and after 5 year you will see alot new generation EV is start selling and your car value will drop like crazy. So the end of the story i go for RX than RZ.

[@lag3rgren]

I have the bz4x and actually really like it. Not perfect but much nicer and comfortable than a tesla. Weak point is fast charging, for me thats an issue like once or twice a month but you can plan around that. Lexus seems a bit better still. I have it on a “cheap” lease, Will keep it a few years until solid state becomes common place and hope EV is “the same” as ICE by then.

[@thegreeneyej]

No rear wiper, less janky instrument panel. Meh, pass.

[@Hagledesperado]

Mom, can we have I-PACE? No, we have I-PACE at home. I-PACE at home:

[@Demobot1]

Still can't beat the ID.4.

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤

[@tesla-spectre]

Toyota has missed the train. And they do not believe in change, they want to keep the combustion engines... I give them maybe 10 years.

[@yourcrazybear]

Toyota is certainly on the trajectory to bankruptcy.

[@pumpuppthevolume]

social credit points

[@benedictuswinner3995]

japan

[@pumpuppthevolume]

@benedictuswinner3995 I was just joking ...but that's what these points sound like 🤷‍♂️

[@ivanmihailovic421]

Cabin noise? Sounds like typical japanese car, missing thicker glass and 20-30 kilos of sound insulation on critical places

[@Twin.motors]

Very disappointing results. I think toyota is just making bad EVs on purpose so people assume they're all bad

[@samusaran7317]

Nah. Not everyone needs a 80% charge in 15 or less minutes mr impatient 😂

[@miciusbmw]

🇱🇹🇱🇹🇱🇹🤝🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@valtersvasilis]

Braļiukas! 🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻

[@IlVeroCiccioPasticcione]

Toyota Group has done simply the worst cars ever done. Mesmerazing, 3 out of 3 suck 😂

[@miraphycs7377]

bro clearly states that this is fine. Your deranged toyota hate is causing you to not see reality. U live in a la-la land

[@yourcrazybear]

It's quite funny how good they are at failing.

[@dixikloos5352]

Toyota/Lexus🤡

[@miraphycs7377]

bro clearly states that this is fine. Your deranged toyota hate is causing you to not see reality. U live in a la-la land

[@i6power30]

Feel sorry for you having to test this junk, bro.

[@atledavidsen4837]

Buying junk is when you have to see service on a not known unregular basis. For your newish car. This is not that. ;) Just a clarification of junk vs. quality. If you need longer range, or miss features pick another car. The factual quality? Unmatched.

[@szalaigabor1714]

@@atledavidsen4837 Factual quality will be determinded in the 2034 degradation tests when high mileage bZ4X, Solterra and RZ 450e cars start appearing. Until then we can't judge the quality.

[@atledavidsen4837]

@@szalaigabor1714 Factual quality is so much more than the battery. But you knew that. Besides, with the german Toyota Relax-program (that probably will find it's way to other countries too) in my case I would have to wait untill 2037. German warranty (with well stated terms) when servicing Toyota/Lexus at Toyota/Lexus dealerships anywhere in Europe is 15 (!) yrs./250.000 km. incl. battery. So tell me, why isn't other manufacturers that confident in their product? And what will this mean for deappriciation down the road? High mileage cars will surface long before btw. Plenty of bZ4X taxies here in Norway.

[@miraphycs7377]

bro clearly states that this is fine. Your deranged toyota hate is causing you to not see reality. U live in a la-la land

[@yourcrazybear]

@@atledavidsen4837 "Buying junk is when you have to see service on a not known unregular basis. For your newish car. This is not that. ;) Just a clarification of junk vs. quality." Incorrect. Junk is a relative term and we are talking about EVs now. "If you need longer range, or miss features pick another car. T"! If you want a great car you should definitively pick another car. "The factual quality? Unmatched." Nonsense.

[@Andi.Cristian]

Why would you take a drive and stop and charge so many times? What's the problem with a true hybrid and over 1k km? Regarding Lexus, i supose you tried EX30 from Volvo, constantly 175 Kw charging, a lot more power and range.... Lexus and Toyota, stick to hybrid.

[@geminispatricio8517]

🤣🤣🤣

[@MaurizioLattuada]

What a PoS

[@miraphycs7377]

bro clearly states that this is fine. Your deranged toyota hate is causing you to not see reality. U live in a la-la land

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

ABC Always buy Corean 🇰🇷 car

[@seb.4210]

Worst electric car you can buy peer money. Sad, toyota is still sleeping.

[@MadsDKN]

Toyota is thriving. Their EV strategy might be.. lacking, but it seems like they were right after all.

[@jandebuhr]

But still selling 11.2 Million cars 2023 🤣

[@yo2trader539]

Toyota making record sales/profits while sleeping. Imagine what they do when they're awake.

[@rasch19785]

It's almost as if they're deliberately bad at it, or they do no benchmarking and actually believe it's a good product. I'm 120% sure that the RZ,the Bz4x and the UX ev will be very reliable and durable cars,but they are not good in the key area..being good ev . I should know,I have a polestar and a bz4x ..the polestar is lightyears ahead. Now if the Toyota's had 800v like the Koreans,but with Toyota reliability,and a proper route planning software with pre conditioning,and Tesla efficiency.. youd have the non plus ultra

[@olaf4559]

Ahahahahah

[@braveintofuture]

As a German I wouldn’t buy a car in that price region that only goes 160km/h.

[@sophaman9193]

Is not convenient every electric car i don't care any brand of car including elon musk tesla buy a hybrid no headache ok