Ligier Myli range test

[@donkulous9165]

When he started Jamming to "I like to move it move it" in a car that only goes 45km/h I started laughing so hard. Love ya Bjorn... Keep rocking the videos man!!!

[@aarong9378]

This car makes the Mitsubishi i-MiEV look like a luxury car.

[@moestrei]

I Miev kinda has the minimum specs for an ev and was a great package (minus the looks).

[@nazzarenopisano652]

I initially thought, "Should I watch this one? Is it worth it?" I took the chance and you were hilarious! I love how you had so much fun embracing the limitations of this vehicle. Lesson learned - don't skip Bjørn videos!!

[@2phonesbabyken]

Hearing the electric motor struggle to maintain 45km/h the entire time was probably the funniest part of this video

[@lesbendo6363]

The motor. Bit seems loud, could barely hear Bjorn singing. I got to move it move it! 🇨🇦

[@lete66222]

​@@lesbendo6363true but have you heard disel powered mopedcars they are loud!

[@gasdive]

170 km range is fantastic!

[@onlineactivityvideo]

😄 so fun to see you driving this tiny car! I kind of like these little moving objects. 1000 km challenge? 😎

[@pegefounder]

For 100 km 133 minutes driving, 180 minutes recharging. So 10 * 133 minutes driving + 9 * 180 minutes recharging = 2950 minutes. Just a little bit above 2 days.

[@ericmentzel5278]

the consumption and the look of the belt-drive-train is very similar to my Citroen Ami. Higher charging speed is more important than bigger battery in this class, like you said.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

But charging speed is linked to battery size. If you double the battery size, you can double the charging power. The time for a full charge might be the same, but how much time you need to gain a certain range is less.

[@ericmentzel5278]

@@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 a VW eUp from 2013 has a 18 kWh battery. It charges with 40 kW nearly 80% SOC. A eGolf from 2019 has a 35 kWh battery. It charges with 40 kW. So, back to the good old EV times:-)

[@TheBoondj]

I am going to buy a myli epic. In reefblue i want to tak you for your video

[@geemy9675]

@@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 charging speed is only linked to battery size once you are maxxing out the cells charging speed. here for instance 12kWh / 2kW (6h charge) it could peak 10x faster no problem even a passively cooled Leaf can charge 80% in 30 min. these smale cars are never gonna have 400V dc fast charging..

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

​@@geemy9675 yes, I guess your right, with a 12 kWh battery, it should for sure be possible to have faster charging than 2kW. At least 1C shouldn't be any problem, probably 3C. I guess the major point could be the cost of larger chargers, as well as added weight. I haven't been able to figure out battery voltage for Ligier Myli, but I don't expect it to have anything close to a 400V architecture, to remotely allow using 400V DC-charging (as you point out never gonna have 400V DC fast). (As a reference I believe the Cirtoën Ami has a 48V battery pack. I'm not surprised if Ligier has a battery pack of similar voltage, and probably the same voltage for 4kWh, 8kWh and 12kWh configuration, just putting 2 or 3 modules in parallel if you want more capacity, to keep most of the design the same. As s minimum, I think an option for triple-charger would be interesting. 3-phase: 400V AC @8.7 A = 6 kW (3 chargers in star configuration) 1-phase: 230V AC @26A = 6 kW (3 chargers in parallel configuration) Or maybe just double-charger as an option too.

[@Tyriama]

Oh, this was you. Down Gjelleråsen I passed you when you let people past. We're not used to the 45kph cars here in Oslo. Much more common going out to the small towns. (Btw, the asphalt at Alnabru is "supposedly" getting worked on soon. They just redid the asphalt going down Grorudveien down from the Kalbakken T-junction and down to the 4-way with Tesla, as that was horrible as well with loads of potholes. One day we'll get to go to Alnabru without feeling that you're destroying the car.)

[@bjornnyland]

Yeah, I try to let people pass me especially on places where it's illegal or hard to overtake. However, as I said in the video, many Norwegians are very passive and they don't overtake even if there's many good places to overtake. Ligier is so small that it's easy to look past it to see if it's clear or not. Way harder to look past a big tractor which typically also drives the same speed.

[@maxhazeleger2854]

You pronounce it like ‘lee shjé’, so far awesome vid. Love to see moped cars getting covered!

[@jormungandr6247]

😄👍

[@CookeCraft]

Great little car. Thank you for testing it.

[@BoatLoadsofDope]

Iook at these the same way as Tuktuk or Citroen Ami. It's a more refined cabin moped. The high beam low/beam are exactly how it works on mopeds as well.

[@ahmednaim3413]

Congratulations for 300,000 followers

[@Danne89]

@10:00 The lights were like these on my Scooter Moped that I had when I grew up. Super annoying. I had to hold the "flash high beams"-button down to have both on at same time or otherwise I couldn't see shieeet...

[@benbeverley561]

This would work well I think in cities and suburbs like we have here in Australia, but would need to increase the speed to 60 kmh, which is what the majority of the roads are limited to. 45 kmh is just too slow and will slow down the trucks and buses.

[@antoniocirino8444]

Now it´s time the test of the Xev Yoyo. There is the light quadrycicle version and the heavy one which can go up to 80kmh.

[@vifgull]

I like to move It, move It.

[@flassi]

cannot be last video, we need 1000km range test :)

[@udoeiblmaier25]

And now please the 1000km challenge.😂

[@aarong9378]

That would be approximately 18 hours of driving and 42 hours of charging!

[@firehog]

We need north pole test too 😂

[@frankelf3151]

In the UK this will be called a quadricycle like the Citroën Ami.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

Quadricycle is the European classification L6e and L7e vehicles, respectively light and heavy. While the subclass L6e-BP are light quadri-mobile for passenger transport (like Ami and Ligier) And subclass L7e-CP are heavy quadri-mobile for passenger transport (Like Renault Twizy) In Norway all classes with 45 km/h max speed are called 2-3-4 wheeled mopeds. L6e-B are "light moped car" and L7e-C are "heavy moped car" (even if the later is not restricted to 45 km/h, but otherwise closely resemble) Some people argue that L6e-B and L7e-C are "not cars" because they are "quadricycle". Yes they are in that class, more specifically quadri-mobile. But what is a car? M1 class are: "passenger vehicles with a maximum of eight seats in addition to the driver's seat", several vehicles within M1 would probably not be described as "car". Car (according to Oxford Dictionary): a road vehicle with an engine and four wheels that can carry a small number of passengers I will argue that L6e-BP and L7e-CP vehicles fit perfectly well within the dictionary definition of a "car". Because "car" isn't actually a term with a legal definition, while quadricycle and quadri-mobile are. They are not necessarily mutual exclusive.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

Torally agree with the comment about battery size, and charging. I think smaller versions with 60 km and 100 km range could be interesting, as I expect the battery to be a significant contribution to the cost. I think the Ligier seems interesting, but I woudn't mind to save some on smaller battery. Chargning I think would be nice to have option for 3x10 and possible to run in parallel for single phaser 30 A, or 3-phase 10 A. then you could benefit some from 16A 3-phase and 32A compared to 10-16 A single phase.

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

yes but the range will be worse in winter... and in time

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

@@LoneWolf-wp9dn yes, of course, but if you only need 10-20% of the realistic range on any day, it seems a little overkill to pay for that much buffer.

[@Gazer75]

So the lights are more like the old school cars where the low and high beam has separate bulbs and the low beam is off with high beam on. Pretty sure cars I owned in the 80s and 90s had this light system.

[@yhfsywfit]

Bjorn any chance to review the Dacia Spring? Suddenly they r everywhere in 🇫🇷 France

[@alexjobs]

I like to Moove it Moove it 😂😂😂😂😂😂 ❤

[@kjh789az]

A,B,C - Always Be Crazy! Not a car, more an escapee from The Simpsons! Thanks for sharing this alternative reality.

[@phiiz3r]

Super handy little city car! If something like this can be made more efficient then fitting solar becomes a more attractive proposition.

[@luxaly9510]

solar doesnt help much toyota prius has solar roof option... it ads 8km a day at best... that means sun is shining optimal and no shadow...

[@jinny7]

....practically had Turtle mode from beginning.. lmaooooo

[@yogujoguyogi]

Your review is funny & entertaining. Good job.

[@Croaker369]

When you were back home it sounds like there’s an alarm for a impending nuclear attack being sounded. 😂

[@Watt_Ihr_Volt]

This one on the 1000km challenge, that would be a week's work 😂 I never undestood why they (ir the lae makers) put the limit on 45kmh instead of just 50kmh which would have made it less of a traffic blocker 🎉 5kmh make no risk difference but would make traffic a lot smoother

[@bjornnyland]

The law says max 45 km/h. Otheriwse 16 year olds won't be able to drive them legally.

[@Watt_Ihr_Volt]

@@bjornnyland yeah same here. O was not clear, I meant the law makers with "they" ... stupid law

[@henrikforsman2530]

In the EU you can drive these when you are 15 years old.

[@jacopodeangelis3033]

In Italy you can drive mopeds + this type of car at 14 y/o, the legal speed limit for this type of vehicle is 45kmh but basically every one of them can reach even 70-80kmh because the majority doesn't have a software limiter

[@febrianadji5758]

Micro car isn't really that efficient from get go Overseas, GSEV lineup from Wuling marked something close to 80 wH/km despite being in similar dimension as MiEV without trunk space

[@Mehrdadi94]

review Electric vans too. last week I drove a Toyota Proace electric from Oslo to Hokksund and for the first time i understood range anxiety :))

[@longstoryshortless]

Very Funny! Nice energy man, made my day)))

[@kawasaki1279]

well I live in Greåker and between two cities so this car would be ideal for me, yeah 45 is a bit slow but good thing there is parts that can make it go 60, just switch out the variator and poof 60 km/h in the diesel engines. for the electrics there must be a tweak to make it go faster. Anyway living between Sarpsborg and Fredrikstad these cars would be perfect. And I hear you can also get trucks...

[@rjbiker66]

But you aren't hypermiling the ligier when doing 45 km/h. Probably need to try 30 km/h. Is there an unrestricted version with taller gearing.?

[@fordwebster8113]

How much does this thing cost?

[@kristianmandell5194]

Hello Bjørn. Did you run at full power the whole time, after switching off the eco mode at the beginning of the video? 170 kilometers is incredibly good in that case. Although they don't say it, they usually mean that the range is based on eco mode, when it comes to electric mopeds. Thanks

[@philherb3843]

You need about 2-4 kW to maintain 45 km/h in flat terrain. So the motor is not on full power because of the speed limit. The few times on hills and acceleration would not change too much range.

[@artokiiskinen1058]

Comparing it to the silence makes more sense. I think the 73 Wh/km is okay compared to the 38 Wh/km for the SilenceS01 you tested. Weight still has impact. Silence is 215 kg with you on board and this thing is probably 475 kg.

[@verboseEV]

10% loss at 1 phase AC seems too low, that could expect the high consumption numbers.

[@thomaseriksson3182]

Ny frisyr!👍✌️ Snyggt! Bra video ❤ soundproof and suspension is not soo good!😁

[@michal_pasek]

The motor is making exact the same sound like Citroen Ami.

[@w0nd3rlu573r]

10:05 I am surprised they even bothered to put high beams on this thing :-)

[@eb1888.]

You could charge faster but would the battery need liquid thermo management. Does it have it?

[@Mues_Lee]

maybee you can pee on the battery :D

[@CampGareth]

Maybe not, a Leaf charges at 6.6kw (I think) and doesn't have active cooling. C rate might be high on a small pack but it won't be high for long and it won't be charging often since it takes so long to drain.

[@seb.]

15:48 best clip ever 🤣

[@longstoryshortless]

And what is the price?

[@colla555]

THe low beam / high beam pattern switching exactly behaves like an H4 halogen bulb with two filaments.

[@cadillacct5vwy]

Very nice videos you have 👍🏼😀

[@philherb3843]

I drive with various pedelecs, including a speed pedelec 45 km/h. I note my consumptions, so here is my list (without charging losses): pedelec 25 km/h: 3-5 Wh/km pedelec 25 km/h with kids trailer: 8-10 Wh/km s-pedelec 45 km/h: 20 Wh/km sitting upright and 15-17 Wh/km deep low. So the 70 Wh/km for the 45er car seems ok. I don't think you can charge it with 1C with a smaller battery, because the battery is not cooled at all. And a bigger charger is really expensive, you also need a charging station. For going to work and back, even in winter, the battery size is quite good. You can go one hour per direction, so about 40km and have enough reserve for extra tour to the family or shoping after work.

[@philherb3843]

Another thing about the lower power at the end. Normally, they use 48V batteries. They go down to 35V when empty, but at 15% they are still above 45V. The motor controller normally is limited in Ampere, so maybe 125A. At 48V this is 6kW, but at 40V only 5kW and at 35V only 4,3 kW. You need about 3-4 kW to maintain 45 km/h, so every hill will slow you down when the battery is nearly empty.

[@fredrik7814]

Hello Bjørn, There are several good deals on 2WD vehicles currently. The big question is how well they perform in winter or off-road conditions. In addition to most of them being rear-wheel drive, some cars have software that allows you to engage both wheels when you're stuck. Can you start testing this? It's very interesting for those who can manage with 2WD.

[@swecreations]

Proper nordic/extreme winter tires like the Continental VikingContact 7 is much more important than 2wd/4wd

[@EVSpeed]

could you send me the website link of that adapter for ac charging?

[@Joe-lb8qn]

Hilarious. I want to see you test the Microlino.

[@victormarian7889]

yes, at roughly the same price - only 10 % higher ! - the out - performance is much better, so hands - down ...

[@sivertliljedal490]

You need to try a utv (Canam or Polaris)

[@emgee44]

Recently watched your previous intro video to this car, interesting test drive. Would I buy one? Possibly, given the choice over a scooter and given the climate here in the UK, but the roads here are not much better than yours, in fact probably worse so and congestion would still be problem, at least with a scooter one could filter through the traffic.

[@TomLaceyJohnson]

I know you prefer google maps. But when you use cars without a satnav but have CarPlay or android auto, why don’t you tend to use android auto?

[@Spottermarc2011]

Looks like a competitor for the Opel Rocks

[@matynaty82]

Funniest video ever!!!! Bjorn you have to make 1000 km challenge. I would watch the whole live video if it would be so funny 😅

[@vorlon81]

Isnt this like the Hongguang mini ev?

[@alaasadek2908]

Any news about Tesla FSD? Can you test it in Oslo?

[@bjornnyland]

Not available in Europe.

[@faustinpippin9208]

I always find it weird that the gov limits this category to 45....just let it drive 50 so it doesnt stop traffic..... the extra 5km/h wouldn't make any difference for the car but it makes a big difference for blocking traffic but I guess i expect to much from the gov, it will probably take them 60 years to think about it

[@Jeruzalemforever]

I can say you need to balance the rear speakers with the front, standard they sound like shit (too little use of the back "bass" speakers) but with a little radio tweaking they sound a lot better.

[@koosb8162]

Ligier used to have an F1 team, right?

[@MMSaabChannel]

Can we get a 1000km challenge on this one? 😂 Handles like a boat 😂

[@pegefounder]

Let's make a calculation about hyper miling a Tesla 3 at 50 km/g. 14 m/sec * 1700 kg * 0.01 rolling resistance * 9.81 gravitation = 2,34 kW or 4,68 kWh for 100 km. 14 * 14² / 2 * 1,3 (kg m³ air) * 2.2 m² (front area) * cw=0.22 = 0.86 kW or 1.72 kWh for 100 km both together 6.4 kWh/100 km. This means extreme efficient. For the Ligier. Even when I estimate 1.6 m² front area with cw=0.38, this has at this low speed no big influence. This means inefficient.

[@MrUled]

In eco it may go further

[@AaronStarkLinux]

I think the belt in the electric motor has some loses.

[@johumm455]

yep, but a chain would be noisy. And a complete solution with build in motor is not yet available? Hub motors would be cool!

[@AaronStarkLinux]

@@johumm455 No chain, no belt, just connected to the wheels

[@aarong9378]

Swap the sprockets and see how fast you can get this car going! Put the big sprocket on the motor and the little one on the drivetrain!

[@obiskeyone]

1000 k challenge is going to take a week

[@ddensa]

Leroooy Jenkiiins!!!!

[@mkmproductions9257]

I would like to see a headlight test of this car!😊 But guess it's to bright in the nights for the moment. Edit: Comment above written before watching the video, but still, a proper headlight test would be fun!😂

[@twogsds]

Is Chademo disappearing from Europe?

[@yhfsywfit]

As a European w teenage children I appreciate this video. Also, I like to move it 😂

[@claessjostrom565]

I see Millennium Falcon!

[@joachimschulte8574]

I hope, there will come a 1000k challenge 😀

[@xboxice2005]

There must be a way to unlock more power in this.

[@geemy9675]

15:48 I like to move it move it doing 45km/h in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere

[@verboseEV]

Leeroy ftw 🏃‍♂️

[@impuls60]

This car was shockingly expensive when I looked it up. How can a 16year old afford 150-200k?

[@oleterje7209]

Do you have a day job again? I saw a spot marked «work» on your google maps

[@bjornnyland]

Work is at Circle K/Ionity Dal...

[@samusaran7317]

Interesting NEV

[@krisvandermeulen253]

It has the aerodynamic properties of a polished brick.

[@JDCarnin]

This thing, with this Range but with added fast charging would be totally sufficient for me. Sadly as far as I know no one implemented it in this class of car. Edit: Just looked up the price, I´ll keep my Deutschlandticket for the next 40 Years...

[@moestrei]

Love how you care about everything EV. However from my Moped days I know that you need enough power and speed to be able to float with traffic. Everything less is really dangerous.

[@bjornnyland]

Regulations, reglations, regulations...

[@seanwoo9140]

In Chinese market, the cheapest WULING mini EV can go beyond 80km/h😂, and cost less than 5k US dollars.

[@uwesz]

1000 km Challenge ?

[@Rocinante_Tech]

I think a Tesla on speed limit mode is a lot safer for young drivers. Does that little car even have air bags?

[@Mues_Lee]

With an airbag the whole car would explode :D

[@faustinpippin9208]

its about keeping the people around them safe, a 500kg car wont do much damage, but a 1700kg tesla... the fact that a 16y old can drive a 500kg is already really concerning, you know how stu...pid and irresponsible kids are nowadays, I would really prefer if toddlers would ride a bicycle around me, not a 500kg machine

[@Mues_Lee]

@@faustinpippin9208 In some countries in europe you can change a regular car to a 3-wheel based car and then 17yo can drive it. Basicly just the rear axle gets changed and mostly small cars, like a vw polo or others in that size region. But don't know about speed or horsepower limit in that case.

[@dt2526]

It reminds me of 2008 Chinese androids phone 😂😂.

[@kiwijonowilson]

Wow, I don't think I would want my children driving this here in NZ. 45kph is just too slow, even around town, and I wouldn't want the hazard of the children having to deal with angry motorists! Even 50kph would be a big improvement.

[@jameslastinger]

Hammertime! 🤣

[@KineticEV]

This is a good short range or city vehicle and like you said, it's a decent vehicle for a teenager who this may be their first vehicle and one they don't need t take on a road trip given it's power and speed. I do like the fact that it has a decent size infotainment screen. The fact that it's Android Auto compatible is great because other than the basic car functions I'm sure the infotainment isn't much to speak of. The car should definitely be kept to around town/local driving. Even the 60km motorways is too much for this one.

[@slmkbh1]

Norwegian Nisse 😂 Here in Denmark we call them Fjeldaber

[@slmkbh1]

It also reminds me of the time I tried a Kewet 4

[@ELCEV]

They should just rename it "ShittBoxx"

[@mfurmyr]

Snail mode and not turtle mode must be most appropriate on this car.

[@MrVeeBlog]

Its- sounds like an AM radiol, lol

[@xboxice2005]

45kmh is dangerous should be at lease 70kmh :)

[@s.kxx1956]

I like to move it move it

[@juanvga]

Looks cool. just give me at least 65 km/h

[@faustinpippin9208]

In my country people are also scared to overtake the 45km/h cars in 50km/h zones because the law in my country forbids people to exceed the speed limit even when overtaking, so they would be forced to drive only 5km/h faster then the 45km/h car so the overtaking would take a long time and its risky. And the police in unmarked cars also drives 45km/h to set up traps for people who overtake them to fast (to fill their quotas for monthly income from speeding tickets) so that makes everyone paranoid and scared so people prefer to just drive slow but that is just in my country, idk how it is in others

[@jacopodeangelis3033]

Here in Italy nobody cares about speed limit so we just overtake without thinking 😂, naturally if you get caught you're in trouble

[@Scrap-press]

​@@jacopodeangelis3033 I remember my first visit to Italy. I was driving on a badly maintained road with 50 kmh limit. At first i was confused why the locals had been been overtaking me with 80 but later I understood you're good as long as you're not caught. 😅

[@mondeo984]

In stupid Denmark you need a special drivers license and must be 17 years before you can drive a 45' vehicle

[@kullatnunu2087]

23:58 _"...this time I calculate 10% charging loss..."_ According to my experience of charging with 2.3kW for a number of 250 chargings so far I got an average of 20% charging losses. When charging the same car faster the charging losses are 10% or even less. Therefore tmo the consumption of the Ligier can be estimated to be 13.7kWh*0.8=11kWh which for 169km equals 65Wh/km. 24:41 _"...when you hypermile a M3 you can go as low as around 60, 65Wh/km..."_ Wait a minute...you probably didn't charge up the M3 with 2.1kW but much much faster which lowers the charging losses dramatically. There is a big error involved not considering the charging losses correctly. I doubt that the M3 or Teslas have drastically better driving efficiency. If one wants to find out what's really going on much much more effort has to be done in gathering oll the parameters being involved here.

[@bjornnyland]

You mixed up all the numbers. Consumption for Tesla or Kona is of course what the car reports which is not with charging loss. The charging loss you talk about in Model 3 is totally irrelevant.

[@kullatnunu2087]

@@bjornnyland Ok, thank you for clearifying that the Tesla and Kona numbers are car reported numbers without charging losses. I must have somehow missed that. But nevertheless the charging losses while charging with 2.1kW are more like 20% then 10%.

[@bjornnyland]

I already made a video about this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n33QenybbrOSl6s&ab_channel=Bj%C3%B8rnNyland In that test, Model 3 had 15.7 % charging loss at 2.3 kW. But as mentioned in the video, Tesla seems to have a lot of "idling" power consumption for pumps, MCU, communcation, DC-DC converter, etc. Those things are most likely not present in Ligier since it's way less sophisticated.

[@kullatnunu2087]

@@bjornnyland _"...since it's way less sophisticated..."_ Yes I agree. Thanks for the link. Will check it out.

[@nathanwolf5547]

In the UK we would call it a quadracycle…or a Wheelie Bin. We’d take the trash out in one. I’d not put an inexperienced 16yr old in one.

[@Deddily]

1000 km challenge? 😜

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤

[@nohcam22]

If you drove this around in America, people would overtake you, honk at you and give you the bird all at the same time.

[@lesterng5748]

You forgot brake check, maybe the car is to slow to break check.