Black Sheep Games - Game Sack

Episode 237 - Some games get a bad reputation simply because people expect so much more from a given series. But are these games really that bad??
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[@GameSack]

What are some black sheep that you feel don't deserve the hate that they get?

[@TheRdfrota]

Devil may cry 2

[@beatsbeercigarettes]

Game Sack "Bah Bah" Black Sheep, doesn't deserve all the hate.

[@JetWolfEX]

Sonic 3D blast, Actraiser 2 is alright, Dracula X and Rockman & Forte are games I enjoy, I like the higher difficulty even though it not as well designed.

[@marakarthegreat]

shining wisdom

[@LungMing23]

Game Sack I really enjoyed Resident Evil 5 and people complain about it all the time. Doom 3 is also some great fun though I agree it doesn’t feel like Doom. All in all though its a great game.

[@NyquistMatthew]

The mystic defender modern radio voice segment was hilarious.

[@DiamondDust132]

God damn those radio skits are hilarious.

[@lekanraposte6732]

Especially when they didn't have to add one for the last game of the video.

[@Dave7g]

Genius

[@TheSonicsean]

Did ya try using the fire magic?

[@abzhuofficial]

I felt the same way LMFAO, especially when it reminds me of Metal Gear Solid and the Codec convos - "push the X button to open the door".

[@Anex952]

HELP ME MYSTIC DEFENDER HELP MEEEEE!!

[@ByGeorge846]

Those radio tutorials would really help me in my day to day life. "The KZbin creators really need your engagement, and surely appreciate what you've got to say! Try using the mouse wheel to scroll down the page to the comments. Now, use the keyboard to type your comment, ad when you're finished, hit the "comment" button! Hurry, the KZbin creators need you!"

[@joeyvlo]

Mystic Quest actually served it's purpose for me. Rented it, beat it, and went on to play many more RPG's.

[@mymangodfrey]

That retro “all-seeing radio helper” is one of the funniest things you guys have come up with.

[@Foxysen]

Resident Evil 5/6 is actually where "need another character to open the door" makes the most sense since it's coop-focused. It's more about making sure that both players feel ready. So one of the players will not be forced into explosive cutscene before collecting all the ammo because another one is rushing.

[@DarkZide8]

Agree. I like Game Sack, but sometimes they focus on such weird stuff and don't mention the 500 things that are good with the game they are reviewing/taking a look at. Like the Online-multiplayer in RE6 was so easy to use with it's drop in and drop out system that you always had a competent player with you. I actually miss that a lot. It's probably the most fun multiplayer-game I've played tbh.

[@homerhat420]

SHEVA!! SHEVA!! CMON!! SHEVA!!

[@Trevelyan2]

The actual reason for any of it is to stream data and load in a new zone. The engine dumps all the data behind the player (usually), and loads in what’s behind the door. You can generally tell as conveniently, you can’t go back from any of these doors, like The Last Of Us’ 300 overhead doors that slam behind you.

[@reagandow850]

My week can now begin. You guys don’t know how much I love watching your show!! Thanks for so many great episodes!

[@Burning_Typhoon]

Same. I started watching years ago, then stopped until recently. And I've still got a huge backlog of episodes to catch up on.

[@reagandow850]

Burning Typhoon - I’ve been watching episodes over again lately. I swear, these shows are some of the BEST on KZbin. Joe does such a great job editing and both Joe and Dave work So was together. The whole show idea is just great!

[@BarendCombrink]

I laughed so hard at Joe's radio calls. Great stuff. I really love this channel, thanks for all the hard work guys.

[@brandonpierce9868]

Totally thought "Black Sheep Games" was going to be a developer or publisher I had never heard of.

[@GameSack]

Wouldn't be surprised if some dev/pub did call themselves that.

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@GameSack That's still a better name than STD.

[@Tuvok_Shakur]

same here

[@jook13]

@@ExtremeWreck the is a developer called VD-dev...

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@jook13 0_0

[@TonyDeCoste]

I am already excited for more of this new radio announcer character, hilarious idea!

[@jrvegeeta]

Those radio segments were funny as hell 😆 Always great to see a new Game Sack/PwS!

[@Metalders]

Nice touch with the Six-Miliion Dollar Man sound. ^^

[@justandardprocedure]

Thought is was Knight Rider...

[@Metalders]

@@justandardprocedure SIx-Million Dollar Man had i before, in the 70's. And the sound only appeared in the video when they said "bionic".

[@justandardprocedure]

@blake bishop lots of kids you know familiar with Knight Rider? Who touched your no-no place?

[@MitchTenderness]

The radio voiceover was hilarious. Nailed it.

[@DrRockso79]

Instead of a Black Sheep how 'bout a Greendooog!

[@hosebeefstick]

Damn, that's really good.

[@thepickles8833]

Greendog is the black sheep that keeps on giving

[@danhectic5629]

Greendog is the dark sheep of black souls

[@hosebeefstick]

@@danhectic5629 Woah man, it's 'African American' souls; come on now.

[@manbenitez247]

wack

[@frombauer]

The radio-ins were GENIUS. Well done guys!

[@Falcnuts]

Dave got those perfect dad Adidas, just needs a green patina from mowing the lawn and it's perfect.

[@adamphillip5305]

Dadidas

[@bayonetwork77]

Yeah Tony hawks 5 doesn’t have the game on the disk it comes in the first giant update. This means when the servers go down the game will be worthless and useless.

[@SmokeBreakGaming]

And nothing of value will be lost. Play Thugpro instead.

[@enriquedossantos3283]

There are a LOT of games like that nowadays, is sad that the discs no longer contain a playable experience, ALL games require updates, DLCs and patches to run or to be "complete"

[@NightFlyStudio]

"Help me mystic defender, HELP ME!" ... "Did you try the fire magic?" I'm dead XD

[@tempestararat1792]

I know I'll have a blast tonight just because of the new episode of GS!!!

[@hanselmanryanjames]

I never really realized how many games have radio buddies until Joe pointed it out. Every time I hear a radio buddy from now on I'm gonna be thinking about these awesome skits Joe made. We'll done !

[@kevinerosa]

Game Sack radio voice is awesome.

[@KesMonkey]

I love Game Sack Sundays.

[@weirdotzero7065]

"Physical copy" of Pro Skater 5. HA!

[@surrealbrain4227]

The multi-gigabyte patch you had to download? That's the rest of the game. It's a buggy mess even then.

[@MapleMilk]

That's one of the games I HOPE we're never able to emulate *shiver*

[@DJTEKTORO]

This game literally crashed on me 100% of the time before the start up screen. I fucking hate it and super dissatisfied, disappointed and hope it gets DELISTED!

[@bpgmstudios1041]

@@MapleMilk hahaha. i feel you. let the game be lost in history

[@gavinisdie]

When we get pro skater 6, you will have to download every file speratly

[@ModelJames13]

Now you've done it. Whenever they rerelease old games they're going to start adding radio buddies into all of them.

[@RetroGamePlayers]

I played Mystic Quest when it came out, and no joke I loved it. I was only like 12, but man the music was rocking and I was super bummed when it was all over.

[@The_RadicalOne]

🤓

[@commandonl1]

Me too, it got me into rpg's and i wanted more after this game.. and boy we got what we wanted. I love FFMQ!!

[@YumeKojoCosplay]

We had this game as a kid. Didn’t realize people thought it was bad. That was until I saw ProJared’s episode. The soundtrack is so good. I do plan cosplaying Kaeli and Phoebe someday.

[@rooksdoubleohseven9919]

I was unfortunate enough to play this post FF 2/4 but still enjoyed it for what it was. The problem was I had been renting it and got to Pazuzu's Tower. My birthday was soon so I asked for it assuming there would be lots more hours and content akin to my past FF experiences. Was so bummed when I finished it like a week after my bday, since I got games only twice a year on bday and Xmas. The battle song is still one of my top FF songs tho.

[@FinalBaton]

I hated mystic Quest back then! I already had quite some jrpg experience by time it dropped(Final Fantsay, Dragon Warrior, Final Fantasy IV) and found Mystic Quest straight up insulting! I tried to revisit it recently, but I just can't do it. The icon-based map is just TOO much hand holding for me. There's meat and bone, and then there's incomplete skeleton. Mystic Quest is the latter XD Kickass soundtrack though! Holy... hang on to something cause you're about to be blasted away!

[@Chezne]

SHINING IN THE DARKNESS IS NOT A BLACK SHEEP GAME. YOU TAKE THAT BACK, RIGHT NOW.

[@RedWolfy7]

I like how you release your videos near midnight on a Saturday. You really know your core audience well . As if they'd be out partying 😉

[@BlueflagAlpha]

sunday noon here

[@PabstOban]

I will never be able to play a classic retro game again without my brain implanting the “Radio Voice” randomly.

[@The_RadicalOne]

As soon as I saw the thumbnail, I thought Zelda II would be on the list.

[@andersgale9544]

Stop fishing.

[@robertdanker6193]

Reggie!!!! You are awesome my friend!!

[@AlucardsQuest]

Ideally, but everyone's talked about Zelda 2, Mario 2, and Castlevania 2 to death.

[@hdofu]

Zelda II is a well known black sheep

[@TheLastLineLive]

True but that's too easy. Glad they didn't do it honestly.

[@officialsuzyandy6387]

Black Sheeps: CD-i Zelda trilogy. 😏

[@ExtremeWreck]

XD good one.

[@evandavis5223]

I think they had a whole video on the CDI Zelda games, or they've covered them in the past at least. And while most of the games in this episode had some redeeming qualities, CDI Zelda has none.

[@andy6576]

The plural of sheep is SHEEP. Man, the education system is failing hard....

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@andy6576 Sheep are sheep to buy. Get the joke?

[@andy6576]

Um....ah....no....nope. I mean, I understand your statement but not how it invalidates the sheep-sheeps thing.

[@tiagato]

Mystic Defender and Phantasy Star with the radio guy telling you what to do are the best! hahahahaha

[@UnbornDecay]

You guys really need to do another episode of this. So many choices that you can do, it would be awesome

[@COLGrimm]

I just got pizza and now this! best night this year so far.

[@IAmTakeo]

What's up Joe and Dave? As always love the content. How are you all? Appreciate the info on gaming... It's a big part of our lives.

[@LungMing23]

Great episode guys! Thanks...I needed this tonight. Was a rough one.

[@briantaylorcloe7725]

Seahawks fan? 😿

[@scottcollins5240]

If there comes a Sunday afternoon that I do not hear the theme music for Game Sack, it shall be a very somber Sunday indeed.

[@Ostnizdasht206]

You can change the lifebar system in Mystic Quest to numbers if you want.

[@thefroyukenfiles3641]

You can, but it won't change the amount of space on-screen that info takes up.

[@After4th]

@@thefroyukenfiles3641 But more user-friendly and easier to read.

[@sonicdoesfrontflips]

For some reason I read that in Joe's radio guy voice

[@MattHall]

Radio buddy is my favorite Game Sack joke ever

[@joseagripino8664]

That radio voice over bit was top notch, kudos!

[@trevorbozeman]

I loved the idea of this episode, great job you guys!

[@dennett316]

Super Mario Bros 2 is always looked down upon as not a "real" Mario game, but it's probably my favourite of the original NES games.

[@AgsmaJustAgsma]

I blame Brentalfloss for making that statement popular.

[@sonicdoesfrontflips]

It's a great game. But if gamers had the internet and the same toxic attitude back then as they do now, that would be the end of Mario, regardless of how good the game was.

[@spoonhanz]

Genuinely loved it as a kid

[@LotoTheHero]

Man, I agree. I loved it as a kid and still do today. Even though it's a bit different it still always felt like it fit in to me.

[@GimblyGFR]

Super Mario Bros 2 is an amazing game, and the excuse that is not a real Mario game is deprecated since Nintendo themselves started using elements from the game later on the franchise. And, in my opinion, is far better than Castlevania 2 and Zelda 2, the other weird sequels of the time.

[@FurEngel]

You may not know this, but there is no such thing as a physical copy of 'Pro Skater 5. The disc was actually a coaster and contained no game files. Famously, it was done as a rushed release and when you put the disc into your system, it would download the digital copy onto your system.

[@GameSack]

I have a feeling a lot of games these days do similar things.

[@Zerohour2k12]

Game Sack is the Greatest! I always learn tons of stuff every episode! Thank you for introducing me to the Ys franchise! You're both Awesome Joe and Dave!

[@Eliassee]

I love the radio voice. Good job as always on the episode :)

[@Ghost_Of_SAS]

The reason Tony Hawk 5 is considered the worst thing on the planet is not because it's a bad game, rather because it shipped on a basically empty bluray due to time constraints: 95% of the game had to be downloaded as a day one "patch", which makes it worthless as a collector item.

[@straizo7985]

Pro Skater 5 is objectively a pretty bad game tho, Dave must've smoked some crack before playing to actually claim he enjoyed this turd

[@ItsTheFizz]

You better not delete that THPS5 patch for free space as that's basically the entire game... The disc only contains the tutorial level...

[@GameSack]

The sad thing is that Sony, Microsoft, etc etc let publishers get away with stuff like that!

[@almightycinder]

Guru Larry had a video about it. Their license was about to run out and didn't finish it before the date they legally had to ship out the games, so they literally shipped out the tutorial level and finished it in the month after they shipped them.

[@startedtech]

@@almightycinder Sounds like Black Ops 4. Disc included 12GB.....Then you had to download another 40. I don't understand why they couldn't have included all of the map files, audio samples, character models etc, considering we saw them in a Beta months before release...

[@sonicdoesfrontflips]

Imagine if they could do that shit in the 80's/90's??? Retro gaming as we know it would not exist.

[@sonicdoesfrontflips]

@Nosaveddata Yes! I've been saying that for years lol

[@gregman77]

You always manage to come up with very interesting topics. Another great episode. Many thanks.

[@IamJdTrent]

"Did you try using the Fire Magic"? If this wasn't my favorite gaming channel on KZbin,it is now. Hail to the 👑

[@JohnnyMatherson]

Acting is academy award winning at this point. No seriously though it's gotten better, the comedic timing an all is all improved, not that you guys werent funny before.

[@crashbandicoot5636]

Ahhh, finally my week is complete

[@pidgeo5]

The name of the Phantasy Star III arranged song is called “SEGAROCKS - Phantasy Star III - Main Theme (live)”. Love the little Deep Purple/Highway Star homage the band put in.

[@robertdanker6193]

Awesome episode!! Dave's face during the Wii Music game is priceless!!!

[@priestfan81]

Doom 3. Playing through after many years of hating it but it is a great game.

[@bald_engineer]

Starfox Adventures

[@antoinemonin1171]

Starfox on Wii U got way more hate

[@KitsuneYojimbo]

Honestly, I actually enjoyed Starfox Adventures.

[@adamphillip5305]

I love Starfox Adventures, wish they made a sequel tho it wouldn't be by Rare.

[@sonicdoesfrontflips]

Loved that one. Sadly it will never get a remake or even a re-release since Nintendo owns the rights and they have no interest in doing that

[@MikeandKatieShow]

That was some dinosaur game from what I read, it was reskinned with the Starfox name last minute with some graphic changes to use the Starfox name to sell it.

[@SharifSourour]

LOL to the radio helper voice.

[@RichHomieBodhi]

14:26 Dave rockin the dad shoes 😎

[@Turbo_Waitress]

Nostalgia absolutely plays a role in my feelings for Mystic Quest, but I have a soft spot for that game.

[@hosebeefstick]

5:06 "Edgehog," so you're fighting Shadow? Lol.

[@ckjuicyj82]

The radio chatter was hilarious!

[@Naeem_El]

Game Sack at 3:04am can’t get any better then this 😀

[@shouryuuken4147]

Nice to hear Joe defend Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and Phantasy Star 3. I think they get shit on too much in this day and age. And the former really was a great introduction into turn-based RPGs back then when I was only 5 or 6 years old.

[@besotoxicomusic]

I was bored to tears with MQ but I was 10 when it came out and understand its purpose was to bring in the younger crowd. I agree that PSIII was pretty good.

[@besotoxicomusic]

blake bishop I’m probably older than you, son.

[@besotoxicomusic]

Cristo Kocinaro lmao. Wtf?

[@cristokocinaro4013]

@@besotoxicomusic I wasn't talking to you. Go back to your emo guitar.

[@besotoxicomusic]

Cristo Kocinaro blues, jazz and prog.

[@xuntdmc]

Here to support Joe. Dont know what else to say.. youve been here for us all these times.. we're here for you, man.

[@RetroClash95]

What happened to Joe?

[@moviemetalhead]

...and what do you have against Dave?

[@ChubbierTube]

A new year and a new episode. We need to celebrate... at Casa Bonita!

[@tuffasgong]

I feel like Gamesack is one of those channels you can upvote even before watching the content.

[@JohnRiggs]

Earthworm Jim 3D. Boooo!

[@PuckmanBG]

*anyone is gonna remember earthworm jim in 2019*

[@Randhrick]

Its 2am I'm depressed because my holiday vacation are over ..... But at least there is a new GameSack to watch! When I think back about Mystic quest it feels like Japanese were very condescending with NA they literally made rpg for newbie. It was even called Final Fantasy USA in Japan. Edit: Ok that radio joke got me good lol

[@Millenium-Mige]

What's really weird is that it was also released in Europe as Mystic Quest Legend, making it one of the only Square SNES games released in the region.

[@evandavis5223]

That's exactly what the game was. It's also called Final Fantasy USA in Japan I believe. Same thing happened with SMB2.

[@det.bullock4461]

The weird thing is that JRPGs were already western computer RPGs of the time (now they are a very different animal) stripped of all (or most of) the bullshit frustrating stuff and adapted to console controls, but I guess by that time they assumed computers were unpopular for gaming in the western world like they were in Japan.

[@FinalBaton]

It really did feel insulting, haha. And as someone said, their precious JRPG genre is ripped straight out of the hands of Americans (Ultima, WIzadry, and the ever important roor influence of tabletop D&D). The nerve on you chodes from the land of the rising sun! Oh well, I can't stay mad at you, you make awesome games, haha

[@Randhrick]

@@FinalBaton Maybe the people who made these games did not even know that RPG came from the west. But the first Dragon Quest is clearly inspired by games like Ultima I would even say it's dumbed down. But to be fair , back in the days, rpgs were not that popular on console, the concept of making exp and getting stronger was an alien concept to a lot of people around me. So I guess a game like this was a good starting point for them.

[@McdonaldeS1986]

The first music playing through the final fantasy segment is amazing!!

[@balazsgyekiczki1140]

Radio add-ins were genius.

[@sadmeat8937]

Mystic Quest lol Starting off with a big one.

[@JSCG12]

Glad to see some love for RE6. I enjoyed it back in 2012 when it was first released and I've always maintained that as long as you don't go in expecting survival horror and just take it for what it is its a great action game, and even better in co-op. Still, I'm glad that they've returned to their roots with RE7 and I hope that its the direction they continue in.

[@txcforever]

Leon's campaign was great. Chris's campaign was OK but had some issues. The next one with the new guy (can't remember his name) was were I started getting bored/annoyed. But in general I prefer it from RE5 at least on single player.

[@khululyp]

I liked RE6 but it was a bit all over the place, like an anthology of all the resident evils but kinda mismatched and no real focus in it's gameplay. and too much reliance on quicktime events.

[@ZoomingOut402]

It is "not bad". Just incredibly bland, generic with questionable design choices. The snow level is one the worst sections in the whole series. The t rex boss was really lame too.

[@DragmaKerp]

Agreed, RE 6 is the culmination of what RE 4 started. In fact, even if people would hate me, I think RE 6 is better than 4

[@fonarte]

Re6 was too ambitious and falls flat in so many ways. But I still love it, and I especially love the setting, story and characters. Moving the story to a global scale naturally makes sense at some point in the universe to happen. It could have been executed so much better though and imo Chris's campaign is the best of them all. If it didn't have the re name attached to it it would have been received better. Re7 on the other hand is a fantastic game with flaws of it's own. And it really doesn't feel attached to the re universe at all until almost the end of the game. It really feels like they shifted gears half way through development to make it an actual re game. I really think though Re6 is a great game for them to remake someday completely by reimagining the entire game but keeping the same general story.

[@HelloKitty-ob1mx]

Dave looked real amused playing wii music, that game looks like so much fun

[@benjisurya]

"you re dreaming that you re running from somebody but you cant go really fast" HOlly S+++ Dave, I feel less lonely to having this dream! Im not alone after all!

[@TooBokoo]

Game Sack: The Black Sheep of KZbinrs

[@briantaylorcloe7725]

Which is a good thing, of course

[@TooBokoo]

Agreed. Lol

[@Digi123]

Bubsy 2 is da bomb!

[@ExtremeWreck]

Bubsy 3D is worse.

[@zacharygirgenti3790]

LMAO I love Mystic Defender! That was a great bit.

[@Jinx_Skeel]

the ability to jump is exactly what makes that bionic commando the black sheep of the series... what an unholy thing to do

[@ryanwilhite]

I'm super nostalgic for FF Mystic Quest. I was surprised back when I first heard it was bashed so hard by fans of the series.

[@28Pluto]

It's really no that bad overall.... It's just pretty bland compared to the other FF games of the era.

[@ryanwilhite]

@@28Pluto The criticism I've always heard is that it's too easy and simplistic compared to the other games in the series. They actually released it with the title "FF USA" in Japan, reinforcing the idea that American gamers were dumb and thus couldn't handle challenging games. I always thought that mindset of theirs was ironic given that the electronic computers used to program the games on were an American invention.

[@Gamesta100]

It was my first RPG and I loved it

[@antoinemonin1171]

When you are from Europe, the biggest surprise is that in North America, the game has "Final Fantasy" in it's title

[@LobsterPuncher]

I was taking my cat to the orthodontist and got a notification. I said "screw your braces Mr. Whiskers, I'm watching Game Sack!"

[@spencerstevens2175]

Nothing more terrifying than having to have someone else in the room to play with you a la RE 5/6

[@JetWolfEX]

I haven't played Mystic Quest, but the soundtrack is great, I prefer it over most FF music.

[@bartoman2]

I'd play Mystic Quest everyday over XIII, just saying...

[@bartoman2]

@Jason Voorhees More like because I dont like walking sims ;)

[@cristokocinaro4013]

That's not saying much.

[@bartoman2]

@@cristokocinaro4013 "XIII" is more of a black sheep than mystic quest to me

[@amethystwyvern]

You guys are my favorite retro gaming channel.

[@full_proof]

@14:26 the jeans/shoes combo. Dad-mode activated.

[@mrmysterious8124]

Can you look at Godzilla Video Games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@myopiniondoesntmatter7068]

Phantasy star 3 started off as a side story or gaiden game. There's an interview in one of the genesis classics (ps3 iirc) that has one of the devs talking about it. If they just hadn't made it a mainline game I think people wouldn't shit on it as hard. Even though it did many things better than 2. Also the music is another thing people hate on. Yet the composer went on to do ps4 and knock that out of the park. Skyhaven? (Been a while since my last play through) song is probably my favourite track from the genesis.

[@trevorthefilthyrat3742]

Matt Hoffman pro BMX was an awesome game.

[@DakinRinone]

The radio transmissions cracked me up!

[@josh24441]

Arkham knight.... It was an ok game but I think it was the weakest out of the bunch.

[@playbench]

I don't like commercials but I like that you guys put the thought into putting them into breaks in the video, most channels don't seem to do that and it annoys the hell out of me to get commercial breaks mid-word in a video.

[@davidford3968]

You guys are awesome!! I was a Sega fan as a kid and watching alot of your videos is making me invest in an SNES to get games i missed out on

[@Michirin9801]

I love that Bionic Commando sound effect

[@avideogamemaster]

The explanation on why Phantasy Star 3 has a medieval style instead of futuristic is actually quite clever

[@robintst]

I love Phantasy Star III, glad you didn't entirely crap all over it. Kind of surprised you didn't mention the theme song when talking about the music though, it's such a beautiful underrated piece.

[@JasonScalici]

Omg. Starting off with Terras theme? Perfect!

[@GRANKOR]

I'm sure this is appreciated but thank you Joe for the excellent subtitles. Im not deaf but my hearing is not great and I am very happy with your excellent captions

[@zhbvenkhoReload]

I loved the sound effect you guy added on Bionic Commando (R)

[@dreamindistortion]

Your vids always come out later in the day. Perfect time. Away from the trash

[@HaydenX]

Bio Hazard Battle is an awesome and unfairly overlooked shmup with excellent music and really cool art direction.

[@rufusray]

Great,now the mental image of Dave doing yoga is etched in my brain.thanks guys.