Black Widow - The Weekly Planet Podcast

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Black Widow is finally here, so it feels a very opportune moment to talk about it. Plus we talk the death of Richard Donner, a movie making legend, a sequel for The Tomorrow War, a new What If trailer, Marvel's new way of enticing actors, Hugh Jack returns as Wolverine question mark, Zack Snyder makes Zack Sndyer's Star Wars and Comic Con takes another hit. Thanks for listening!
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00:00 The Start
02:17 Richard Donner RIP
04:14 The Tomorrow War Sequel
07:08 Marvel's What If Trailer
10:27 New Marvel Contracts
13:52 Hugh Jackman Wolverine?
17:18 New Zack Snyder Star Wars
20:19 Comic Con at Home
23:32 Black Widow Review (spoilers 36:17 - 56:21)
56:21 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read
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[@bentarbuck6161]

i love ray winstones terrible accent and he's like i've lived in the shadows while also flashing up pictures with like every world leader for the past 30 years

[@davidjay7116]

38:15 Loki mentioned that she killed Drakov's daughter in that reverse integration scene way back in Avengers 1.

[@cunningflop]

Interrogation *

[@J.O.R.D]

“He’s gone off script this week” “What? Is he allowed to do that?” 😂

[@mnoir7257]

This movie should have come out between Infinity War and Endgame at the latest. This would have made so much more sense than Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel was written out of Endgame because she is too overpowered and the movie wasn't about her but the original crew. It would have made so much more sense to tell a Black Widow story at that point before the character dies in Endgame. Releasing Captain Marvel felt more like a response to Wonder Woman than an actual story they felt they needed to tell at that point.

[@NY8981]

Totally agree

[@drinkmydink]

I fully agree except for the reason they released capt marvel. It was a sweet middle finger to all the misogynistic dickheads that r plaguing the internet. But ya, the black widow movie could’ve done the same thing, if not more

[@jonathangiannone7258]

James and Maso, I love your podcast and everything you guys put out. I was recently cheated on by a girl I was with for in total a year and she was cheating the whole time. I did so much for her and her two kids when I could’ve been focusing that attention to my own 3 kids. And I let her meet them and they loved her so finding that out killed me and my kids aren’t happy about her not being here anymore and I don’t know how to explain relationships and cheating to a 6, 5 and 3 year old. Your content always brings me up to a better mood and I just appreciate you two doing what you love and sharing it with the world.

[@jinglebo]

Stay strong my man you’ve got this, those bitches really ain’t shit

[@brandonhancock8620]

So sorry to hear that man. Stay strong, it’ll get better. There’s a better girl out there for you somewhere.

[@isohora]

Damn, this girl seems even more of a villain than Corn of Coblin

[@danielwarner3675]

sorry about that, dude! hope you find a partner who values you and your kids! hang in there!

[@doomstadt2371]

Thank you sir, as a 40 year old man who's been thinking about maybe dating again, i appreciate the warning shot. Stay strong for those kiddos!

[@whiskeystone6188]

What I love is when James is reading a live commercial, but it gets interrupted by a KZbin ad break. Git Dat Shmoney, Boys!

[@hwise9195]

Was not expecting a personal attack as I sit here eating my six crushed and soggy weetbix listening to the pod

[@HisNameWasCrazy]

Hugh Jackman will of course be appearing as the hotly anticipated character Jake Bohner, Ralph's Uncle. What other character would they have him play? That'd just be a waste of time if he played somebody else, wouldn't it?

[@xsanguine8]

Probably in a flashback, where you see Jake teaching little Ralph a bad habit that's likely to get him in trouble later in life, talking shit to Witches and female superheroes.

[@MrTrick.]

Never change the theme song!

[@trekkiedave7910]

I really enjoyed Black Widow! - I have no complaints - it felt like a perfect balance to me - of action, comedy, and some genuinely heartfelt moments This film surprised me - I wasn’t expecting to care so much for her fake family - but I did! - and the scene where her sister is explaining that her childhood was real to her was very well delivered by the actress and choked me up Loved this film!!

[@doomstadt2371]

It was a little too much quip for me, but otherwise i enjoyed it a lot.

[@forcesensitive6371]

I thought Florence had the best character in the film. She was brilliant.

[@Luee115]

Agreed, I look forward to seeing Yelena Belova again

[@burner8504]

Glad she doesn’t have a US accent

[@EatinPaste]

My biggest, and kind of only, criticism with Black Widow is the same criticism I had with Luke Cage and Iron Fist. It could have and should have been a joint movie or series with Hawkeye. It would have been a nice change of pace for Marvel, especially if we had gotten it years ago, that we're only now getting and it would have dealt with and fleshed out the two characters.

[@ryanisaacs3967]

Marvel is ready for a buddy cop movie

[@bobsandwich3431]

Ye it worked great with thor Ragnarok even though that was more Thor ft. Hulk

[@playmakersc12k82]

I disagree - it was time for her to get her solo spy story ..even if the supporting cast was what I thought made this movie great She needed this film by herself since Disney has mucked up the female super hero movie - now that she has a solo presence bring in Hawkeye or whoever else - but the first one needed to be her

[@wisewolftony]

@@playmakersc12k82 Plus they already had plans for the Hawkeye series not to mention we already had plenty of them interacting with each other in past films. And then you have Endgame which wrapped that story up. So the last thing they needed to do was have them together again after we had already seen the conclusion in Endgame and while Hawkeye is about to get his own solo series. So it would have been completely unnecessary to have him be in it. As all they would be doing is taking more of the spotlight away from Natasha and putting it on Clint when Clint is about to get the main spotlight of his own series. Not to mention you already have a great dynamic with Natasha and her sister and the rest of her "Family". If you have Hawkeye also be in the film then he's just gonna feel tacked on and like a 5th wheel or your gonna take away a lot of the focus on the family so either way one of them is gonna end up getting the shaft. And then you have what happens in the post credit which again couldn't even happen if you include Hawkeye in this film. As it would make zero sense for that ending to happen if Yelena was just working with Clint and saw how close Natasha and Clint are. So why would she at all believe she was killed by Clint. Or even if she thought maybe he did if the two knew each other already they Clint could probably very easily defuse the situation. The only other option would to have Yelena not even be in this film or just in the flashback which would just be dumb if your trying to set her up as the next Black Widow type character in the MCU. She needs to be in this film so that the fans can actually get to know and like her as a character.

[@wisewolftony]

Would have made very little sense to have Hawkeye in this film at this point in time. As we had already gotten the conclusion of their story in Endgame so no point now of going back to it for this film. Not when for years people have been wanting a Black Widow solo film. Him being in this film would have taken a heavy focus off of the "Family" element or scraped that element all together. The timeline would have also made very little to no sense. Seeing how Hawkeye had just been arrested for his involvement in Civil War helping Steve. So he was either still on the raft or under house arrest. This film also needed to heavily focus on Yelena which wouldn't be the case if Clint was in the film being Natasha partner. She would either not be in the film at all if he was in it or she would have much less focus and basically be a 3rd wheel. And then you have the end credits which would make very little sense if Clint was in this entire film. As why would Yelena believe in anything she was told in that scene. And even if she was willing to somehow believe Clint killed Natasha they would already have a past together meaning Clint could probably defuse the entire situation much easier with Yelena willing to actually hear him out right away. Not to mention Hawkeye is very soon getting his own solo series so the last thing Black Widow needed in her possibly only film and final role in the MCU was for Hawkeye to share the spotlight with her when he's about to get the main spotlight in his own series.

[@linkdk59]

Uhh, I actually wanted to go to this movie not knowing there was Black Widow in it

[@youtubehandle83]

How can people complain about the pheromones when chemical mind control is a major plot point?

[@doomstadt2371]

Because they're dumb lol Edit: To be clear, i mean the people complaining.

[@jdsmall13]

Don't change the theme song! It's the only part of the podcast i listen too!

[@houseofleaves126]

Gud original joke

[@exzyyd392]

I'm pretty sure the thing in Budapest was them blowing up that building

[@MintyFresh799]

And being hunted for two weeks straight after

[@sprokitt66]

So the coy remarks about Budpast were more like "Hey remember that time we blew up a building and tried to murder a child aha"

[@blyzer7373]

@@sprokitt66 I think the implication was that Hawkeye didn't know about the child and their target was Harvey Weinstein and not his daughter.

[@mrsuperwill1]

@@blyzer7373 holy fuck thank you I thought I was the only one who noticed the weinstein parallels

[@DanielEvanClarke]

@@blyzer7373 it actually felt more like SHIELD was in on the whole plan, which made it less impactful for her to do it.

[@AnOtterGamer]

I can't believe Taskmaster was Hawkeye from the future that went to the past to get a replacement Black Widow's dead body for the soul stone.

[@Jonnycrs]

*Advice for James:* "If you can sell it later on, then get the Cabinet." This isn't me pretending to know what's best for you or anything. It's just a life lesson I learned the hard way. If it can be sold later on, even at Half the Original Price. Then it's worth it. You got your entertainment out of it and selling it means, you didn't waste your money. The worst part about niche purchases is the regret that creeps in when you realize "you paid so much money for something only to throw it away 5 years later"

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

I liked Black Widow. Definitely one of the better movies in the MCU. Good closure for Natasha, nice intro to new characters, and the parallels between the Black Widow program and human trafficking added some real world horror and urgency to the destruction of the Red Room. Task Master was odd because that room looked very exploded. Not to mention, Antonia falls into the, "well this person is horribly scarred but not actually that bad because it's Hollywood and who wants to look at an ugly person?" Trope. Would have been nice if it looked more like her face had to be reconstructed as opposed to just horribly burned. Maybe that would have been too difficult though. Overall,very enjoyable. Hope Yelena insults Hawkeye's hair choice.

[@IAmARealAlien]

Eh I hope they don’t use Yelena ever. She was written poorly and got a russian accent to be more cute.

[@marshallyelverton5615]

Watch Return to Oz, its actually so terrifying for a so called children's movie.

[@ghostparker1987]

Roller blade hands.👺

[@TheDrugOfTheNation]

It takes a lot to make a stew A pinch of salt and laughter, too A scoop of kids to add the spice A dash of love to make it nice, and you’ve got Too many Black Widows

[@robertfrost8264]

I've been watching every video for like a year now and just realized I wasn't subscribed. The algorithm was too strong. Subbed now though!!1

[@julianzamudio4432]

I could use a big sandwich myself

[@christopherluke9658]

Nah you’re just one away from fat.

[@nicrage92]

Spoiler alert

[@TheKingOfRooks]

Yelena was amazing she's probably my favorite character in the whole movie she was just such a fun character her personality was great

[@rgoodfellow]

And you actually get to see her go through stuff. Like go through everyone she thought of as her family claim they weren’t a real family. To feel left behind by her sister and then go through some sort of an arc. And she was funny.

[@ooiiooiiooii]

It was so fun when she gutted that Chinese girl and there was no blood. Clearly the end of scenes shot for the Chinese market

[@marcopololos]

Absolutely love you guys for always making these Monday shifts bearable! Also the last popcorn joke was rich have a good Monday guys!

[@ALEXANDERATTACK]

Shout out for STREETS OF RAGE 4, I love it, my wife loves it, I recon my cat loves it. I stomped it into completion over the weekend, loved it.

[@CallumKemp23]

Owen Wilson is going to play the thing in the fantastic 4 movie

[@Danniboi03]

Idk why but The Popcorn Bit at the End killed me 😂

[@legorocketraccoon8297]

I suspect James is planning to keep the intro but talk about changing it so that both the people who and don't like it are content.

[@doomstadt2371]

I liked Black Widow, way too quippy, felt like more than usual for a Marvel film, but it was a solid action movie. Definitely should have come out right after Civil War, but I still enjoyed it.

[@DeanS946]

Weirdly, I felt the humour was at its most natural in Black Widow than it has been for ages. The quips didn't break serious scenes. The comedy happened in line with the characters. It was refreshing.

[@jaminelvers7250]

More than usual? Compared to Age of Ultron it's suttle as hell

[@rgoodfellow]

I wish Melina and Red Guardian weren’t played up so much for laughs in the end, being super goofy with the accents but could’ve been played up to be more intimidating.

[@RCScorchCore]

The arcade discourse is the best. I hope its a reoccurring segment until you decide if you actually want one or not.

[@RandomJot]

I was half expecting the post-creds to be some sort of Red Hulk teaser; since General Ross was in it and there was a bunch of vials of red smoke - could have had a small scene at the end of Ross confiscating one of the red vials, wanting to do some experiments/reverse engineering on it

[@EmperorJ123]

Guys am literally 12 seconds in and ffs yous have done it again. What brilliant things you do

[@KingClovis]

**SPOILERS** I love how they wait until after they say "spoilers" to say best movie ever -because saying if they liked the movie or not is in itself a spoiler, as Mason mentioned. Also, I myself just stay off the internet if I don't want spoilers. Because if it's spoiled, that's what I get for being on the internet when I don't want spoilers. Because I'm spoiled.

[@karlcollects7850]

The real black widow was the friends we made along the way

[@TheLVJ]

*family

[@TheArtofKAS]

@@TheLVJ *Stares In Vin Diesel*😳

[@TheArtofKAS]

😂😂

[@Flare_IA]

Im so proud of this thread

[@kristoffnchnmn]

I'm glad the movie came out just so I can hear your review.

[@Boganthebabe]

My favorite part of Taskmaster in the comics is that he's trained a huge amount of the higher end criminal underground.....and I wish that they would've done that with her in this movie. And then let her become a mercenary. Like if you want to make Taskmaster a woman good on ya I don't really care. Just wished she was Taskmaster and not Winter Soldier lite

[@rgoodfellow]

Girl Deadpool a la Wolverine origins. :( I wish they would’ve had her get away in the end and become more realized and independent and free to be more like the comic version after for a future movie.

[@Murphys00]

Hey James and Maso, I like your spoiler free reviews. I find them to be as Maso said, a good way to push me for or against a movie. I have chosen at times to skip ahead on past spoilers to what we read/what we gonna read and other times to listen on. Making this decision based on ur initial review

[@majinmoke]

They very much underused Red Guardian. I wanted to see more of him - or anything at all from his fight with Task Master honestly

[@Green__Man]

Thanks Collings

[@MoistHarvester]

45:55 Epic AVGN reference ahaha

[@AverageDrafter]

Zack Snyder never saw an idea that he couldn't hack.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I really enjoyed BW, though the Taskmaster twist could’ve been better the family chemistry and action make up for it.

[@adamkennedy3782]

james, i had a mate who build a custom video game player. once downloaded played all old video game with his archade build. it lived in his shed

[@acehendrix4090]

JAMES...YOUR NOT DEAD!

[@antoniosanchez3310]

Not going to lie, if you did to a spin off of arcade cabinet's you might buy, I'd listen to every episode at least 5 times.

[@SageVO]

The Sandlot definitely holds up!

[@ikesharp8403]

I really just love James trying to validate buying and writing off an arcade cabinet.. "It's for the channel Clare"

[@iiirdvii840]

Just imo the Budapest thing is kinda a reverse Nick Fury eye situation... The Nick Fury eye was told as a serious event that happened to Fury, while Budapest is kinda told in a jokingly way between Clint and Nat. In the end, Furys eye was a cat accident and Nat nearly murdered a child.

[@AverageDrafter]

The problem with the opening song is that its catchy and I will often sing it loudly, out of context... in public.

[@skilledwarman]

Personally i would like a more accurate Taskmaster, but i didnt really hate this version. And the way they did her, having the mimicry powers be from a mix of a neural uplink and some special HUD in her helmet (which does NOT get destroyed), we could just have another one. They could just have had Ross or Loraine from Seinfeld have the helmet and create a new Taskmaster

[@yaboythealien]

Loraine 😆👽🍻

[@skilledwarman]

@@yaboythealien ...damn it. idk how I messed that up since I love seinfeld. How could I forget her name is Lou-Anne??

[@GuadaEx]

with delay here but 16 blocks is the movie with Bruce Willis and Mos Def/Yaiisin Bey, and yep: pretty good.

[@joshuamauk6759]

I actually got super excited about Red Guardian being a super soldier because then I thought the big reveal would be that He actually was Natasha’s real dad. If she were the child of a super soldier that would have explained some of her skills and abilities to kick ass and get the stuffing knocked out of her. Turns out, she isn’t part super soldier and just a badass chick. Great movie though. Enjoyed it a lot.

[@thomasbell8451]

My favourite part was when the little computer generated people ran through the mines of Moiria

[@Laser07ful]

1:14:45 that's meeeeeeeeeee :o

[@geminiace]

I have that Marvel Super Heroes cabinet! It's glorious!

[@majinmoke]

I haven’t gotten to the review yet in my listen but I’m hoping Maso points out the Nirvana cover used in the opening credits No other reviewers talked about it!

[@Ashgarify]

About how utterly cringeworthy it was? =)

[@doomstadt2371]

What about it? Just another terrible cover song, why bring attention to it lol

[@majinmoke]

@@doomstadt2371 I have a memory of Maso making a big deal out of movies using period music in cringey ways in a previous pod-- but maybe my memory is bad

[@benjaminxm2011]

I didn’t even watch this. I just left a like and a comment to help the algorithm.

[@TheKingOfRooks]

Both of those Dungeons and Dragons arcade games are amazing, some of the best Arcade Games ever

[@itsjustRob]

It did have a lot of pockets to be fair... vital for an origin story!

[@qwellen7521]

KR0 Is really underrated - its a really good example of translating David Lynch's style to a game format.

[@rorylennon4043]

We need to see the Hawkeye/Black Widow Budapest film

[@blyzer7373]

Pls no

[@jaustill237]

Just rewatch Solo and then fill in all the gaps with Clint and Natasha getting their first bow and arrow and their superhero names and such.

[@WildFungus]

meal kits are a nasty gross scam. If you've never cooked a meal before they seem great but after you've cooked 4 or 5 you can probably go to the grocery store and come up with better ideas and better ingredients.

[@tommymc3526]

I skipped ahead to see if you're still "Westworlding"

[@TheArtofKAS]

Cheater😂😂😂

[@chrissadler6459]

It's not going to stop. Soon they will retroactively edit it into all their older podcasts

[@richardspectacular5327]

Did anyone else notice that Task Master was oddly similar to Jason from X-Men 2? She even had two different colored eyes

[@alecosfan]

A Nightmare on Elm Street Pinball machine is my goal arcade purchase.

[@kevinm5940]

The What If trailer featured a shot of what appears to be Ego. I wonder if they managed to get Kurt Russell to return.

[@pamlegaspi]

for the book, maybe like a 50 shades or anything raunchy lol

[@InitialXG]

How do you not mention he was Mr French in The Departed. Best character lol

[@openingband]

The movie had a great opening and great opening credits. After that it dropped off.

[@markvillalobos4843]

16 blocks with Ethan Hawk ( Bruce Willis) lmfao I love this show its the only podcast I listen to

[@LouerTube]

This movie is just if The Americans was an action movie that was hampered by its 12a rating, it should be a lot darker than it is, but it can't be

[@PittsburghSonido]

Stomach puncture stab tho wasn’t gruesome?

[@Zmayn]

y’all should do a caravan of garbage episode on the movie mystery men, it’s surprisingly relevant still and it’s pretty funny. im sure y’all would like it and have funny things to say about it.

[@jeffwolfplays0513]

Just saw it. My second favorite Marvel movie…maybe. Lol

[@andykettler3301]

James, go for the Daytona 2 arcade cabinet and you won’t regret it! Such a better game than 1…

[@Samael_Morningstar666]

A sad song i wish they would use in movies instead of making sad covers of popular songs is In A Broken Dream by Rod Stewart

[@Rxmzy]

The names Florence. Florence Pew. Pew pew

[@literallyjustapanda1068]

only learnt this recently, but a high school mate of mine (J*** S******) actually WORKED ON MARVEL'S WHAT IF!!! J*** if u see this, good bloody on ya mate, representing the central coast boys

[@literallyjustapanda1068]

Censored so no one doxxes my mate

[@wensdyy6466]

The only thing that bother me is that Disney+ is not avalible in central Europe (and East Europe too) so I had to risk getting COVID by going to the cinema(when our cases are climbing again) because I couldn´t watch it at home.

[@SE-zw1fb]

Ben Affleck smoking a cig eating popcorn 😂

[@pupuslinger]

Shocked that you guys found this at the top of the marvel movies...Personally I felt it middle at best...I was glad I watched it as it filled some stuff in, but I doubt I would ever watch it again...

[@jedimastertitaniumdickmana2939]

Anyone else noticed that THIS isn’t in the blurry background of the we got this covered box

[@kevinm5940]

That's the joke. It's "we got 'We Got This Covered' covered"

[@peterrandall6761]

I've never seen jason Bourne but this felt like jason Bourne

[@blyzer7373]

Jelena vs Nataša fight in her Budapest condo was straight up Bourne shit when they started chocking each other with a curtain.

[@MatiPryjomko]

I've seen all the Bourne films and this definitely felt like Bourne with a Bond ending

[@DinerLingo]

@@MatiPryjomko Exactly. The Bourne Ultimatum meets Moonraker (with a detour through The World Is Not Enough [avalanche escape] along the way).

[@danielbear9183]

Anyone else catch that the dog at the end was named Fanny?

[@palaniuki]

SPOILER Wtf happens at the end with general Ross. Like ok, the guy can intervene in eastern Europe, weird but I can deal with it, but it just cut? Isn't that a super weird way to edit the movie?

[@jaustill237]

I also noticed the MLP gaff. Though, in the 90s it would more likely be Gen 2, since that property originated in the 80s. Still not as egregious as the use of DVD season boxsets in Wandavision for the early aughts.

[@Flounderboy15]

I agree with this Black Widow review 100%. Pretty solid movie that's not perfect....but also...who cares that it's not perfect?

[@tristanstieber6499]

When will Alexei the Pig roll down a hill and become an Avenger? Make it happen, Marvel! Also, a lot of people are saying that Taskmaster was wasted and the movie should have been about the Budapest mission. I don't care about that and I love that James thinks the same.

[@breakwoodhopper6739]

Would of been cool if there was a Chris Evans cameo were he meets red guardian

[@evanevans5428]

negging always works. that shit is hard wired reverse seismology

[@bobsandwich3431]

Taskmaster be like I need that fragile object from black widows car. Let me start by blowing up her car so it rolls a bunch and almost falls off the bridge.

[@anthonymarciano6050]

Plot twist: the twitter poster is masos alternate personality

[@Thecatdrums3]

10/10 black widow is a solid 6/10

[@MrCurlykid1]

Anyone else notice that crash dummy in the front seat when Black Widow gets attacked by TaskMaster in her car? Terrible

[@blyzer7373]

What? When? Timestamp please

[@MrCurlykid1]

@@blyzer7373 Start at 00:26:00. Crash test dummy in the driver seat

[@rampage2587]

Its about on par with thor dark world and captain marvel

[@RascalMcBants]

Have you guys tried Mini Wheat-a-Bix with choc chips? And yeah, dry or mushy is weird, they need to be just right. Also, Crunchy Nut Clusters with chocolate flakes. I'd say Coco Pops but they're shit now.

[@TheJebBushOrchestra]

I would help contribute to james building a cabinet if he films the whole thing and uploads it

[@rurutuM]

Black widow is the best mission impossible movie

[@What3v3a]

Natasha/Black Widows sister is the villain in the Hawk Eye series, which is why it wasn't a set up for the new movies. I think you guys need to do a collaboration with salty boy Critical Drinker and discuss this movie further.

[@magnamic5614]

Buy the damn cabinets! Make it a thing! (wait…wait…maybe not…I don’t know. I want you to have them but…)