Wing dividers - 150mmchallenge part 1

The 150 mm challenge project, know as the #150mmchallenge. Is a project started by tutor and Herefordshire based blacksmith Ambrose Burnes. The object of the challenge is to create anything you can from a single piece of 20x20x150mm bar or 3/4x3/4x6" bar.
Rules for he #150mmchallenge
1. You must uses 20x20x150mm mild steel!
2. You can not uses any extra material!
3. You can uses any and all processes on your metal! (you can weld if you make your own filler stock from your starting stock; so no extra mig wire, brazing rods, tig rods or mig wire.)
4. express your self and have fun!
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[@danielmoss2089]

Nice one John and your way to kind. Lovely project and thank you for the shout out but most of all thank you for raising some awareness for the challenge and the college. Your the man

[@WildBoreWoodWind]

John, another really sound, informative instructional video, looking forward to the next two or three parts in this series. John, I know its easier just to acquire another bit of steel, for all the ancillary parts of the pair of compasses, but what a good lesson to learn and a great skill to develop in planning and self disciple. Dan's a good lad, like you, he's one of the few blacksmith's channels I follow, he's always worth a watch. Keep up the great work, I look forward to part 2 - 👍🖖

[@danielmoss2089]

Thanks dude means a lot.

[@kimmy_future4265]

the way you explained how to measure out your material so as to not waste too much really clicked with me. the part about how in a 3/4" bar theres nine 1/4" bars was the aha moment for me! thank you!

[@paulorchard7960]

Looking forward to seeing the rest John, you certainly chose a challenge, no tent pegs !!

[@dbryant3500]

As a carpenter/woodworker I found myself thinking how I would slice the parts needed with a band saw. Picturing holding the tiny pieces with needle nose pliers and forging them with a little hammer. It's interesting the different mind set you have to bring to a project when you're so accustomed to working with non malleable material...break out the board stretcher

[@5x535]

I agree entirely. It is fascinating for me to hear/watch John fashion something out of a rough piece of steel. This way of pushing, mooshing and twisting ones way to the desired result is so foreign to the carpentry and fabrication that I spent a lifetime doing. I love watching it happen. --- mooshing is supposed to rhyme with push but I don't know how to spell it?

[@amyrose9311]

Oh I’m so excited to see this series! I was doing some leather work the other day and attempted to use my antique compass, realizing they were much too old and too dull for my purpose. The thought came to me, “I wonder if Black Bear Forge could make a pair of these?” Yes!!! I can’t believe it! You read my mind 👍😀

[@RayFromTheHayclan]

This video really demonstrates the thought process and planing that goes into forging a project from bar stock.

[@danielmoss2089]

John did an epic job of it as well. More like the way are forefathers went about it.

[@BlackBearForge]

Thanks

[@Zogg1281]

Just listening to you work out how much material is needed to make each final component is amazing. I'm still looking at it as a bar and not as a lump of soft material that can be squished into all the bits you need. I still have a long way to go before I instinctively look at things like that. Truely amazing the way your mind works 😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@BlackBearForge]

Thanks, that is all part of what makes it a challenge.

[@Zogg1281]

@@BlackBearForge that's definitely a challenge!!!!! LOL

[@5x535]

That is what I am trying to say. A real Blacksmith --thinks differently---looks and approaches tasks differently. It is subtle and very interesting.

[@007-b9n]

John you make it look easy so I will take you up on the 150 mm challenge. I am going to make a door stop.... and Done ! Thank you very much for your time and your videos.

[@mikemichelizzi2023]

Thank you for all the forging videos you produce but I especially appreciate the volumetric approach in this one!

[@MarkATrombley]

I like the power hammer. Using it doesn't take away from the instruction, it translates directly to using an arm powered hammer.

[@TomokosEnterprize]

It is always a treat to sit back and enjoy you posts. You are great company my friend.

[@russelbutler6704]

Love the metric measurements mate👌 It always takes me 2 min to work out the bar sizes as I was never taught imperial at school so thanks for the effort 👍

[@steelpennyforge5152]

Great start and the 150mm challenge should be really fun!

[@donoday8101]

Great new project. I'm glad to see you having so much fun with your new saymak hammer. I'm smiling with you looks like a lot of fun.

[@NeilGraham.I.M.F]

Nice! I can't say i know of anybody that would tackle such a project. Especially on this challenge. You are amazing at what u do!

[@BlackBearForge]

Thats what makes it fun

[@NeilGraham.I.M.F]

You have downright the best channel, n the way you present your knowledge is nothing short of amazing and I thank you on behalf of everybody

[@johnjude2677]

As a note it or forget it brained person ..Anyway you could print material any tool needed list. That would help me as I learn spending lots of time backing tape and replaying.You the best, and keeping us safer Thanks you John S.

[@danbreyfogle8486]

Can't wait to see more, great project!!

[@johnjude2677]

You weight of steel say if the metal is in hand it may be reshape into about anything the total weight equals. That's what a blacksmith looks at. That teaching me something but not a smith yet but I 'm thinking.Thank. With my first or second foraging I did a simple twist bend of 3/4" sq bar. Trying rubic twist next heat Thanks John S.

[@BlackBearForge]

Up to a point it does work.

[@mikechapple2363]

This is one of the best you've done, John. I really enjoyed the use of materials approach.

[@shonuffisthemaster]

I just discovered your chanel and im verry impressed by your videos. i have been looking into a good pair of wing deviders for my job as a finish carpenter (looking for ones with a replacable pencil / scribe point) and i found some starrett ones but they are $180! i think i might try my hand at making my own instead. i have a nice old pair from a great uncle that i use but i dont want to risk loosing or damaging them

[@l.l.blacksmithing4059]

Really excited your doing a video on deviders I'm been hoping you would

[@random40s]

Fantastic project Sir. I just last week made a set of golden calipers. Tooks like those are VERY useful in a smithy for any number of projects later down the road. Ilove 5hst you started this sort of endeavor. Making tooling that "moves" or articulates in any way is a HUGE door for most people to open.. So many are put off by looking at things like that, and say, "No.. That's just to complex to forge". It's not.. It just takes time, and attention to the details tho. One note I must say about your powerhammer is you are to low when forging with it., or the anvil is a bit to high. All your work curved downward. So a block to stand on (easiest fix) adjusting your stance, or lowering your anvil block would help to optimize the hammer blows. An absolutely fantastic video, and simply can't wait to see how these turn out. Way to break into the New Year!

[@BlackBearForge]

Mostly I just need to make a few body positioning adjustment. The anvil is slightly higher then the last hammer and I prefer it that way.

[@random40s]

It does seem to be a very nice hammer. I was not meening to critique your technical abilities, but just wanted to say that from my (KZbin viewer, and blacksmith) perspective is all. I thought your forging was spot on tho, and your process for the project was very good. Keep up the awesome content, and best wishes to you, and I can't wait to see this project in its final form.

[@hannemannironworks1651]

Looks like you have a great start to a great tool!

[@82finesa]

Enjoyed this video. You give some great information on this project can't wait to see the finished product.

[@LolitasGarden]

This was a really fun and informative video. Thanks.

Amazing, looking forward to see it completed.

[@wayneshirey6999]

I believe your having fun with this. That power hammer is really a neat tool.

[@BlackBearForge]

Yes I am

[@IvyCreek-76]

Happy New Year John great video,cant wait for the next one.

[@lisacoppinger8448]

Hello John, I understand that this is a standard process for you and other skilled blacksmiths... but you are amazing! I am quite sure you could make toothpicks if you wanted. Thank you

[@ghostforge3303]

can't wait to see this project......

[@ghostforge3303]

I am in awe of how knowledgeable John is in dividing up the material into his vision for the 150mil challenge. bravo Sir BRAVO

[@kutazamanchi]

Fantastic Demonstration

[@BlackBearForge]

Thank you

[@Xlaxsauce]

Sure gotta love how much faster the power hammer is.

[@TufStockdogs]

John I must say I sure thank you for saying all your doing for that challenge but sorry I can't keep with the thinking. I do hope to but thank you buddy.

[@klkkylekin5948]

Great job winging it

[@BlackBearForge]

😂😂👍

[@dspecht40]

John, thanks for using the power hammer. Does that company need a salesman? You are extremely adept with a hammer, but I was so impressed with your power hammer skills. More power hammer in your vids wont hurt my feelings at all. Please post a link to that power hammer so I can dream a little - or sell something so I can get one :-)

[@BlackBearForge]

It would be great if they wanted to pay for a few videos. But since I am going to do them anyway, there isn't much incentive. www.saymakhammers.com/about-us-1.html

[@TalRohan]

I might try this sometime just to see what I can do

[@TheRustyGarageandHomestead]

Great video John. Great challenge. Just wondering have you ever made Claydon Knot? I've seen most all of your videos but I dont recall you mentioning or making one. Would like to see the steps you take to put one of these together. Thanks again John

[@BlackBearForge]

I have never made one

[@TheRustyGarageandHomestead]

@@BlackBearForge kzbin.info/www/bejne/ep60o4Crdq2Keq8

[@ericjason5773]

I have been dying to find out where you got your "hook ruler" from. I have always called it a "scale". Then i came across your video of your measuring tools. To me those "dividers" have always been called a "compass". I also wondered what those curved pointy ended things behind you were. I cannot remember what you called them but i would have called them either multi or compound calipers. So after watching your video on your measuring tools, out to the forge i went and grabbed a bar of stock and made me one of them there blacksmiths scales with no markings style. Cant wait to see how these turn out, maybe one day i will be able to make a set.

[@BlackBearForge]

It is one I made from a square. But I also have many shop made hook rules without measurements that I mark specifically for the task at hand kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZC9opSAbpiXpsU kzbin.info/www/bejne/nonRY2tup7Jmhq8

[@MrDukaman]

Great challenge John pretty amazing how much material came out of the 3/4 square bar. question drawing out on the power hammer the rule square octagon round still holds true. Just like hammer an anvil. Thx ....Paul

[@BlackBearForge]

Yes it does and it is perhaps even more important. In this video I went square, octagon, round checked measurements then went back to square to draw it out further

[@MrDukaman]

Yes. Ok. Thx. It’s a little hard to see the stock moving. Thx again

[@bentoombs]

A while back Daniel Moss did a project out of that college book and made a set of dividers

[@danielmoss2089]

I did and mine where beast's lol

[@bentoombs]

@@danielmoss2089 I still have mine partially done like most of my projects. Lmao

[@safety3rdforge245]

Awesome vid! Can you do a video on stock calculation some time?

[@wolfparty4234]

What’s the best way to clean up the cut end, after using a butcher. without using any sanders or grinders? Always love watching

[@danielmoss2089]

Well you could uses a bolster or a monkey tool and up set the cut ends back but in all honesty that's the reason for the butcher tool as apposed to a hot cut. The butcher is a right angled triangle in shape and creates a flat shoulder. As long as you don't cut to deep or Forge too far you should end up with a nice 90deg piece. Hope that helps sure John could word that better.

[@billwoehl3051]

How does a guy make arc welding rod? Be interesting if you dip it in borax like brazing rods would be sufficient?

[@marshallsill6049]

I've been wondering about your measure that you use and i think i just figured it out. Is that something you bought that way or is it a cut off piece off a framing square?

[@BlackBearForge]

Made from a square kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZC9opSAbpiXpsU

[@wolfparty4234]

Soo, do you have to use all of the stock in the project? I mean that would be the idea of the challenge, instead of making like a long thick bolt. Ect...

[@danielmoss2089]

You can do any thing you like just don't add any thing. A good thing to do is check out the #150mmchallenge will give you some ideas. And have some fun.

[@GibClark]

👍👍👍👍

[@billwoehl3051]

How long does it take to get used to a power hammer and control it well starting as a complete greenhorn?

[@BlackBearForge]

Not to long for basic skills, just a few hours. But it takes longer to be really skilled with the precision stuff

[@jsmith79123]

I’d like to know where your cross peen hammer came from? Did you make it? I’m talking about the one you use most. Thanks

[@BlackBearForge]

The one I use in most of the videos was made by William Bastas many years ago. As I understand he no longer sells them

[@jsmith79123]

How much does it weigh?

[@l.l.blacksmithing4059]

I do miss the 20+ min videos but understand why you have been making them shorter

[@MrDukaman]

Wow the art work from that school is crazy. Really stinks we don’t have schools like that in this country

[@danielmoss2089]

Are you in the USA?

[@MrDukaman]

Yes New Jersey. Peters valley school is not too far from me. I was hoping to attend there call this spring or summer

[@dougfranklin6338]

I've been watching a lot of Peter Ross on PBS " Woodwright shop" I think Roy Underhill gets on his nerves.

[@BlackBearForge]

The truth is they are the best of friends. I think there is a lot of staged interaction for the show.

[@dougfranklin6338]

There would be I would think. I truly enjoy watching them both. They are masters at their trade. Love the old ways of working with wood and metal.

[@thomassmith8550]

I could make dice

[@jessehart2746]

Im putting my name in the hat if you get rid of it.

[@BlackBearForge]

I doubt that you will see it for sale

[@danielmoss2089]

Also John needs his hat it's cold!

[@TonyUrryMakes]

A mil is not a millimeter. A mil is 1/1000th of an inch. So 150 mils is .150 inch. I can’t meet that challenge!

[@shifty3453]

That's a thou or a thousanth of an inch. Not a mil.

[@TonyUrryMakes]

Look it up. A mil = 1/1000 inch. As in “3 mils thick “. Available on any decent conversion utility. Or don’t. I’m fine with it.

[@shifty3453]

@@TonyUrryMakes I stand corrected.