ROGERS AND SPENCER PT 1

[@jw-sigp2258]

Thank you for this video. I’ve been looking at that revolver model for a while now and want one to go with my 1860 army. This video provided so much good info for me. Been loving your channel.

[@normajohnson6352]

OMG this is a master thesis in C&B revolver design. Never looked this close at them before.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Ooooo!!! Nice one.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

Thanks!

[@jamescrowe7892]

Like I said in your earlier R and S video, I'm envious. I like the design and functionality of the cap and ball pistols and the guns of the old west in general. The designers and manufacturers back then were geniuses and their products were works of art.

[@markrandle4368]

Hey Blackie Have you ever tried a Howell conversation cylinder for the Euroarms R&S?

[@WMDTVIDS]

Over the years ive had a few repro C&B revolvers and worked on several for friends, and shot them some, so i'm familiar and appreciative of their design and use. Ive gotten hooked on your videos the last month due to finally indulging my long-repressed interest black powder weapons. As i watched this just now, i was fondling an ASM 1858 Remington repro i just bought the other day, so i was able to look directly at the reason for the improvements on the R&S, or nod my head in agreement- like with the grip design! Your videos are a masters-level class in cap and ball guns and i really appreciate the time and effort you take to make this available, as i feel it could 1) disappear as people get more foolish and less firearms oriented or 2) become very relevant once again as firearms get more restricted. I also love and appreciate the fact that you go beyond the colt/Remington paradigm and talk of other designs and why they are relevant and important. Because of you, i have added the 1849 pocket to my must have list. Thank you and keep up the great practical and historically relevant work- and allow me to add that you blend both seamlessly.

[@kylethedalek]

Why do think Colt never made some improvements like the Remington had? Like the frame and cylinder from moving and hitting off each other? And why didn’t Colts close framed guns get used more? It also puzzled me that Remington didn’t make a better cylinder removal system. And put grease groves on the cylinder pin. And make the cylinder pin bigger like a Colt. And I can’t believe how much the cartridge gun Remington made looked like the SAA. And how the SAA bet the Model 3/ Schofield I already thought they were much more well designed guns. Any views on the post systems to keep caps in place? Seen this on the cap and ball channel. Also why did they taper the chambers? Why not just keep them the same diameter all the way down? Would love to see what a Walker, Pocket and 60 Army could hold with chambers like that.

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

Well acording to the book colts 1860 army by Charles pate. You can read the accounts of colts root revolver that had a top strap binding up after 1 cylinder same goes for the remington. where the open top colt revolvers were always very popular with the troops. Afterwards in the Indian wars there were many accounts of officers writing Washington demanding that the government replace there remingtons with colts... of course after the fire at the colt factory colt wouldn't have any guns to send out really untill the 72open top and the 73saa which had bushing around the base pin that kept ot from guming up.. the remingtons did not have that.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

the colts were great and the war had colt on full production ( not alot of time to redesign or come up with tottaly new guns )and once the factory fire happened he was really working to catch up when the war ended it was clear cased ammo was the future and every one was waiting for the bore thru cyl patton that S&W had to run out when it did you saw the 1871 /1872 / and then the single action army and it was all full frame from then on

[@kneyork9930]

Hey Blackie, great video. I recently picked up a R&S and am quite taken with it. But...I think you will find that if you set your powder measure on 50 grains, and throw it on a scale, you will get around 45 grains or less. Those powder measures seem to run about five grains less than actual weight. Using weighed charges, 40 grains of 2fg Swiss is the most I can get under a ball. Under the LEE 200 grain bullet, 30 grains is the maximum, in my revolver. (Euroarms/DGG)

[@cristianpopescu78]

Again, amazing Video and beautiful stories from the past,guns and technology. Love it.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

glad you did

[@corneliussulla9963]

One downside of it is that there are no safety notches on the back of the cylinder. Still loving my Feinwerkbau R&S. It looks just hot.

[@Danceswithempties]

Sorry late to the game. From what little I know, I believe Rogers & Spencer bought the Austin H. Freeman patent and got the government contract with their improved revolver. Funny thing to me is that, i.m.o., the Freeman had a better cylinder pin retention system than compared to the R&S. Off topic: Is how much the Freeman revolver will remind you of a Starr.

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

The idea of finding an original Civil War era cap and ball pistol that still brand new in it's cardboard box as surplus. That gives me chills just thinking about it. I bet there are some still out there in someone's attic or basement. Almost as amazing as the people how found sn# 2 colt SAA in a wall tearing down an old house.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

very true if only i could be so lucky heck i felt like that finding a rogers and spencer

[@pelewads]

Wow! Just when I thought I knew all of the major gun makes, of that era. Here comes a new one. Very very interesting gun. And I love that the Ruger is almost identical. Aside from lock work of course. Seems that this was the creme de la creme of cap and ball. Really looking forward to part two

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

it really is a good design

[@greywuuf]

Very very Interested to see the shooting and it will be quite exciting to see the Kado bullet in this compact dragoon. Also what ever happened with your little wrangler. Did the base pin issue just sour you on it. I was hoping to see it in action some time. Being an old Montana ranch kid a kit gun is such a comfortable concept to me.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

sadly the wrangle moved on to greener pastures the base pin issue and how complex the full break down was i let it move on

[@Tkidddd]

Nice video, good info, I got to like the grip before I even think about the barrel.

[@bazsmiles9901]

Hey Blackie - really enjoyed the fluid joy you put into that surperb R&S appreciation video. Am in UK and luckily enough (bizarre even) to have picked up a low numbered R&S revolver in an auction here. The revolver has a great feel in the hand and can now understand the technical and subtle upgrades you've discussed in this video. Brilliant. Being able to compare to the 1851 (a London Colt) and the 1858 Remington think you've got this assessment spot on. Thank you for putting this video together - keeping these old historic guns alive! I'll get round to shooting it at some point and let you know how we get on.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thank you for your comment..safe journeys to you

[@fokkerd3red618]

Excellent presentation Blackie.

[@timlacy2284]

Blackie, Outstanding, Great, Awesome, is the way I would describe this video and all your videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and wisdom . You have taught me a lot about precision revolvers ( cap and ball) . Thank You Sir . Yes You Are The Master Woodsman and Buschcrafter. Tim L.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thanks for watching

[@christophersummerfield9922]

Great channel and really informative as new to cap and ball revolves . Keep up the great work .

[@pilgrimm23]

thanks Blackie. I too h ave a Rogers and Spencer. Buncha stuff I didn't know. that Whitney looks like my Spiller and Burr

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

they all are coming from a idea / or line of guns in short if it was not a colt its usualy has something to do with the beals design

[@Martin1911A1]

Excellent video. I am lucky enough to own an 'as new' martial marked original, and a Euroarms replica. Just saying the replica is lighter and has slightly smaller dimensions to the original. Maybe because the steel quality would be better in replicas?

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

Right on much better steel

[@Curtislow2]

GREAT VIDEO BLACKIE. EXCELLENT RESEARCH ON HISTORY OF THIS STYLE OF CIVIL WAR PISTOLS. THANKS FOR THE WORK YOU INVESTED.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

glad to help

[@bluescatreimer]

Great video Blackie, looking forward to part 2. I wish I could find a Rogers and Spencer replica.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

Maybe one day!

[@timberdrifter8225]

well done blackie. i always liked the look of that revolver. not as sleek and pretty as an 1860 colt but all function. enjoyed the way you laid out the history.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thanks for watching

[@smoothvern165]

GREAT history lesson! Great video!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@rustybordelon1]

Great Video Blackie! Looking forward to more on this great old revolver. Thanks

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

more to come

[@oldminer5387]

Great history lesson. Thank you Blackie.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

Thanks for listening

[@glenn19100]

Hi Blackie! Ok. Question. What is the cylinder gap on your Rodger & Spencer? I just purchased a stainless one manufactured in 1996 and it looks unfired, but the gap is about .012. How is yours looking? It’s a beautiful handgun, but I thought .012 a bit excessive for a gap.

[@TerryC69]

Hi Blackie! For an absolute newbie like me this video was edge of the chair note taking good. Thanks!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

Glad it was helpful!

[@christopherrussell3409]

Blackie, I’m soo jealous what a beautiful gun!! As far as I’m concerned that Rogers and Spencer is the finest cap and ball revolver ever made! Can you please tell me who manufactured yours ? Was it Euroarms? Would you happen to know of anybody who currently makes a reproduction of it anymore? Great work sir I absolutely love your percussion revolver videos!

[@jamesvahalik127]

Can you put up the link of the 22lr powder charge video of cap and ball you had done 5 yrs ago

[@MyTv-]

Learned a lot, great video! One thing, if while describing the guns design features it’s picture was kept up, it would have been much easier to follow. Tank you very much for a excellent video, as always!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

sadly i am not very computer educated i will try and learn more of the tricks as i go along

[@MyTv-]

@@BLACKIETHOMAS Totally get you, Blackie! Have looked into video editing software myself, and it ain’t exactly user friendly, mostly expensive and needs heavy processing power . And I’m quite versed in computers.

[@DEADorALIVEkayaking]

Good stuff!...I love my repro '58 Remy, but never knew any of the history surrounding it. I LOVE shooting it, HATE cleaning it! LOL Stay safe!

[@boomshanka8743]

Interesting stuff brother, thanks.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thanks for the visit

[@charlesjonestherednecknerd]

See I love the elegant looking of the Patterson> The Saunders Museum at Berryville AR has a ton of old Colts from the Patterson on till like the 1930's. The Patterson's only dislike for me is the drop down trigger and no trigger guard. The Remington New Model Army revolver may be my favorite of the civil war era. Personally I would have wanted a Spencer repeater if I had been fighting then for my rifle. As always cool information and history sir. Thank You>

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thanks for the visit

[@ricardodelano2205]

this is a euro arms i assume ? i bought the last one from d g w , it was a ' KIT' and boy am i glad i did it, it was the last one in stock back in the mid 2000, but in the mid 1990 i bought a fully made one from d g w and 3 years later sold it i regret that decision.

[@michaelfitzell2741]

Great presentation!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thank you

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

I love that gun

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

its very nice

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

I love this gun more...😜

[@williamthegunnut3839]

Can you load an original with 40+ gr?

[@drmachinewerke1]

I have two Whitney pocket revolvers in .31. Great guns.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

very nice

[@leonstancliff7218]

Blackie, the reason that Colt had orders they were not filling was due to the Confederates burning down the Colt plant! The US forces had to turn to other suppliers toward the end of the war. Remington was always first alternate, then anyone else.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

very true

[@christophermead9800]

I still prefer a Colt percussion revolver, but of course they have issues with cap jams . The Rogers and Spencer, Remington, Whitney were much better in regard to cap jams and frame strength. But the Colt had the benefit of not fouling out as quickly because of the open top design. That was a very interesting history. Thanks blackie!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

very true i am a die hard colt fan..BUT i give respect to the solid frames as well

[@mrkultra1655]

Thanks Blackie

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

your welcome

[@MrRourk]

Rogers and Spencer is just beautiful! Blackie check out a company called Neotrekk and their Pill Bottle Stove. It is pure genius. Going to order their Bushcraft Kitchen next week.,

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

I will check it out

[@tomritter493]

Great history on the biels .

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thanks

[@joshuajohnson4396]

Good video. Thanks for the info

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

Any time!

[@bertroost1675]

But was it actually used in the Philippines?

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

that is a question the scholars struggle with .. the war was ending and record were lost or simple not written down cause all anyone wanted to do was go home at end of ww1 and ww2 we have big gaps in things as the war shut down

[@bertroost1675]

@@BLACKIETHOMAS I wonder how the story started but it seems there must be some truth to it because it would be a weird story to make up. But since (as you discovered) it can take a heavier charge perhaps they did use it to provide a bit more hitting power when compared to the black powder Colt 45LC's they were using.

[@ericgleixner4074]

I thought the reason behind the Remington contracts was because Colt had a massive fire and couldn't produce in the middle of the war. Am I mistaken?

[@pecospest]

I disagree on the ancestry of the revolver , it is basically an Austin Freeman with the loading lever of a Pettengill. ( incidentally , the Pettengill was manufactured by Rogers and Spencer )

[@mattparker9726]

what I'd like to see is taking the 1895 Nagant's gas sealing cylinder and ammunition, and combine that into a top break revolver, like say, a S&W baby russian. That way you have a silencable, but fast reloading gun.

[@ricardodelano2205]

Civil War Collection - Rogers & Spencer Revolver

[@thebeastofbrayroad9382]

it looks like a '' cocktail '' between a Remington 1858 and a Colt 1851 ... no doubt he borrows the best of both ...

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

its a best of both worlds and they shoot very well

[@ricardodelano2205]

remember this was feed back coming out of the field by these guys , what field and whom were these guys? , these revolver never saw combat in the u,s, civil war ,according the sources , and they were sold to bannerman , they were a few that werent accounted for when the u,s sold the guns. so give us some facts on what you know.

[@Tkidddd]

Looks like the pistol Clint Eastwood used in one of his movies.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

that was unforgiven and that was a starr but it and a rodgers and spencer do look alike

[@ricardodelano2205]

so much bull , go watch ian , on forgotten weapons and he will give you the real story, Pettengill Revolver is where the twosome of rogers and spencer got their influence to make this revolver.

[@nickdershem7724]

You wouldn't happen to be related to Denver Pyle would you? Ha. Seeing a lot of resemblance the more I watch your videos

[@keithmoore5306]

unfortunately the industry has continued that nasty habit of just tweaking current designs instead of actually coming up with new and better!! all that's out there now is basically glock clones and i hope gaston glock burns for it!! i hate poly framed striker fired 9's hove me a good metal framed hammer gun anyday!!!!

[@claydutton4341]

The cz po7/po9 are amazing da/sa polymer guns!!

[@keithmoore5306]

@@claydutton4341 i'm a hammer gun guy!! the HK P9s yes it's a poly but with fantastic grip design and trigger pull these poly framed 1911's not bad good grip and a workable trigger (although i still prefer a steel frame) but a striker fired poly especially the glock and it's erratic bordering on schizo dangerous trigger and off putting grip shape and angle you can stick it sideways!

[@zbigniewtracz7001]

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