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Rogers & Spencer .44 Army: Possibly the Best Civil War Revolver

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Amos Rogers and Julius Spencer ran a company making mostly farm equipment in the 1840s and 1850s. In 1859, they took on a firearms manufacturing contract (as mechanical fabrication companies often do) to make Pettengill revolvers. The Pettengill was not a fantastic design, but it was good enough that after the Civil War broke out, the Union gave Rogers & Spencer a contract to make 5,000 of them and also 25,000 standard muskets. The musket production went well, although the revolvers had problems - more due to the design than any fault of the manufacturers.
By the summer of 1864, Rogers and Spencer had decided to try their own hand at revolver design. Using the experience gained from the Pettengill, they came up with a .44 caliber single action Army type revolver very similar to the Freeman, and in November 1864 got a contract to make 5,000 of them for the Army. Deliveries began with 500 in January of 1865 and a further 500 each month until the contract concluded successfully. Naturally, being a well-designed and effectively manufactured gun, they were too late to actually see combat service in the war.
Instead, all of the Rogers & Spencer revolvers were put into storage, where they stayed until 1901. At that point they were finally old as surplus. The entire lot of 4,982 (eighteen having gone mine over the intervening 4 decades) was purchased by Francis Bannerman for jut over 25 cents each, and then listed for sale in his catalog at $3.85.
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@gwivongalois6169
@gwivongalois6169 Жыл бұрын
Wow, a civil war contract fulfilled on time and with alle the guns produced and accepted. That's a wonder in itself.
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 Жыл бұрын
Not just the US Civil War. That's a wonder for any firearms contract worldwide.
@anon_y_mousse
@anon_y_mousse Жыл бұрын
I wonder if it's the only time it's ever happened.
@DB-yj3qc
@DB-yj3qc Жыл бұрын
First and last time that's happened especially with out cost overrun's
@Babayaga962
@Babayaga962 6 ай бұрын
It honestly kinda wholesome
@southronjr1570
@southronjr1570 Жыл бұрын
My Father joined the North-South Skirmish Assoc in 1968 and fell in love with everything to do about the matches and histroy, he even convinced the owner of Euroarms of America to hire him when they opened up in the early 70's as Vice President. Part of his job was obtaining and sending over to Italy, original civil war arms to be reverse engineered for introducing into the American reproduction market. He was responsible for several guns being placed into production including the Georgia Armory rifle and more importantly the EoA Rogers and Spencers revolvers. Well fast forward 20+years and he had long been gone from EoA and in payment for building a match grade 1855 Springfield for a team mate, he is offered a David Ball Accurised Rogers and Spencers. He accepts and about 6 months later, the gunsmith David Ball is killed in a car wreck on the way home from a National match in Winchester VA. All of the guns he touched instantly skyrocket in value and collectability. My father never would sell his Rogers and Spencers revolver. My father, Brannen M. Sanders, passed away in Aug of 2021 at the age of 75. Prior to his passing, he had discussed his arrangements that he wished, while my family members were not agreeable to letting me follow his wishes to the word, I was able to greatly upset certain family members by following one of his wishes. I waited u til the graveside service and specifically requested we have an open casket at the graveside to place flowers in the casket with him, being his youngest son, I insisted on going last at speaking before he was lower into the grave. At the end of the few words I had to say, I removed his Rogers and Spencers, fully loaded and sealed with beeswax and guns com wax, and placed his Rogers and spencers, one of the batch from the first shipment of Rogers and Spencers brought in by him from Italy by Euroarms Of America, and placed it in his hand. He had requested a loaded gun placed in the casket with him on the off chance that come judgement day, he doesn't like who he meets when his grave is opened, he wants to be able to shoot the devil in the eye.
@cammobunker
@cammobunker Жыл бұрын
I own one of the Italian repros of the R&S. I can tell you it's a dream to shoot. The grip might look awkward, but it hangs the revolver just right and the whole thing just works. The R&S revolvers are a favorite of the old North/South skimish association competitive shoots, and are possibly the best single action C&B revolver design ever made from a target shooting/accuracy standpoint. They aren't fast to cock, as the hammer spur is a bit awkward to reach, but other than that they work like a charm. There was even a specially made target version from a euro manufacturer using special barrels and tuned lockwork.
@JohnSmith-yv6eq
@JohnSmith-yv6eq Жыл бұрын
Feinwerkbau?
@normanmccollum6082
@normanmccollum6082 Жыл бұрын
Cool! I'm jealous!
@robertrobert7924
@robertrobert7924 Жыл бұрын
I own one of these also with a 45 LC conversion cylinder. It is a beautiful revolver.
@jesscobb2279
@jesscobb2279 Жыл бұрын
Does Uberti make them?
@corneliussulla9963
@corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын
@@jesscobb2279 Nobody is making them at the moment. Unfortunately.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins Жыл бұрын
what a wild time when you could buy a brand new civil war revolver and jump into your model T
@crazysilly2914
@crazysilly2914 Жыл бұрын
people were still using cap and ball percussion revolvers up until WW1...
@josephseed7100
@josephseed7100 6 ай бұрын
Felons still do
@AllAhabNoMoby
@AllAhabNoMoby Жыл бұрын
These old style percussion revolvers are SO beautiful.
@LouCooper
@LouCooper Жыл бұрын
Hits Eleven O'clock down here in Aus: "Ooh, new Forgotten Weapons video".
@H.W.Robots
@H.W.Robots Жыл бұрын
Ahh a fellow Aussie of culture I see :)
@brentfellers9632
@brentfellers9632 Жыл бұрын
6 am in British columbia 🇨🇦, coffee and gun Jesus...gonna be a good day eh
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 Жыл бұрын
6 am in saskatchewan. Drinking my morning joe. Greetings from Cana- HEY BUDDY WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON MY PRECIOUS CANADIAN LAND?
@downunderrob
@downunderrob Жыл бұрын
Nine Thirty here on the West Coast of Oz. G'day to our Canadian cousins.
@TK--ch9jl
@TK--ch9jl Жыл бұрын
Me sitting in the midwest at 8 am: hmm what is ian talking bout today?
@mottee
@mottee Жыл бұрын
Not only the Italians, but the mighty Feinwerkbau made a Rogers & Spencer copy, called FWB History no 2. It's still THE cap & ball revolver of serious black powder competition shooters. Unfortunately it's been out of production for many years.
@corneliussulla9963
@corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I have one. Paid 1300€ for a used one. I will never sell it.
@maximilianfranz2158
@maximilianfranz2158 Жыл бұрын
Wow, i never knew Feinwerkbau was popular outside Germany
@mottee
@mottee Жыл бұрын
@@maximilianfranz2158 Sure they are. As for completely off topic, I collect FWB air guns 😊
@anon_y_mousse
@anon_y_mousse Жыл бұрын
@@mottee Guns are never off topic, no matter what propellant they use. :)
@areed2000
@areed2000 Жыл бұрын
1000% markup! Banner knew how to make a fortune on the tax payer dime.
@Kladyos
@Kladyos Жыл бұрын
So do plenty of politicans! 🤣
@Dapstart
@Dapstart Жыл бұрын
@@Kladyos And businesses. Basically every "non-profit" hospital both makes a profit and receives federal money on top, despite handily bankrupting customers the same.
@johngz3413
@johngz3413 Жыл бұрын
1200% profit
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw Жыл бұрын
@@randbarrett8706 Our Health Care System is run for the benefit of the Lawyers and Insurance Companies - not the Patients. .
@AdamantLightLP
@AdamantLightLP Жыл бұрын
@Rand Barrett Oh suuure, writing the laws and getting paychecks from lobbyists. I'm sure a politician would have it much better as a normal businessman. Leaders in the Gov should make the same as the average American. You're an idiot if you think high demand positions in companies is the same as an elected position...
@pkre707
@pkre707 Жыл бұрын
I think the thing I love most about these Ian’s videos is all the esoteric history. That these people who at the time were not considered famous or anything, made their mark and are remembered hundreds of years later for their creations, effective or not. I can only dream of making such a mark. The historical world of firearms is just fascinating!
@lordbertie7429
@lordbertie7429 Жыл бұрын
Especially for people like me, who are not gun guys and only really interested in the stories and history! It's been said before, But Ian is an excellent presenter considering the niche history he is teaching
@parrotraiser6541
@parrotraiser6541 Жыл бұрын
Surprising that anyone wanted black-powder cap-and-ball pistols in 1901; obsolete, but not yet old enough to have acquired a glow of historic nostalgia.
@lobsterbark
@lobsterbark Жыл бұрын
Maybe the cost of ammo was a factor here? I don't know precise numbers, but I get the impression that back in the day metallic cartridge ammo was quite expensive. Reading training manuals and such from back then, I get the impression that the cost was so high even organizations such as miliaries couldn't afford to buy enough for what we would today consider the bare minimum of range time. The technology for making large numbers of precision things (like shell casings) was quite bad at the time.
@erik_dk842
@erik_dk842 Жыл бұрын
They were much cheaper to operate. The famous Ed McGivern shot thousands of rounds with Remington 1858's
@Psilomuscimol
@Psilomuscimol 6 ай бұрын
Only applies to gunfighters though. And if you were one, you got free ammo every victory.
@metrazol
@metrazol Жыл бұрын
When in doubt, just keep emailing different people at the DoD until money comes out.
@marks1638
@marks1638 Жыл бұрын
So, the best Civil War revolver that never saw action during the Civil War or Indian Wars. Interesting! I remember seeing one at a gun show a few years. I was wondering why the guy had a Bannerman Arms Catalog next to the gun in the display and now I know why. He was too busy with other customers, and I never got to talk to him, so I wonder how he got that particular gun. I've always liked the back stories behind guns. That's why I enjoy this channel and enjoy talking to owners of old or peculiar arms. PS. I'm enjoying the Forgotten Weapons glass I just received a couple of weeks ago.
@45auto
@45auto Жыл бұрын
While I've heard of the revolvers I've never heard their history before. Thank you, sir.
@myfavoritemartian1
@myfavoritemartian1 Жыл бұрын
Sweet looking revolver. I can see where a lot of the Colt problems were finally fixed. That flared grip, the smooth curve of the grip to the frame are really nice. As is the loading lever latch.
@capnstewy55
@capnstewy55 Жыл бұрын
Now that's a markup worthy of a movie theater.
@leppeppel
@leppeppel Жыл бұрын
Even with that intro, I was still waiting for a catch that never came.
@AndrewAMartin
@AndrewAMartin Жыл бұрын
The catch was that they never saw service and spent decades in a warehouse before being sold as surplus when they were long obsolete. Seems like the Army forgot they existed...
@brandonobaza8610
@brandonobaza8610 Жыл бұрын
"Well, I'm from Utica, and I've never heard of Rogers & Spencer" "It's more of an Albany revolver"
@juancarlossegadecanosa67
@juancarlossegadecanosa67 Жыл бұрын
My favorite black powder revolver, I love those grips, wide at the base, perfect fit in my hand.
@TotalRookie_LV
@TotalRookie_LV Жыл бұрын
It might sound awful from a business and financial point of view, but makes sense to keep the best in the arsenal and get rid of junk.
@cheyannei5983
@cheyannei5983 Жыл бұрын
Speaking of junk, we have a lot of M1 Abrams (NOT A1'S) equipped with the dinky, old 105mm, first gen armor packages, etc. We should probably divest ourselves of them and get the ball rolling on an M2 so the A1's can take their spot.
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 Жыл бұрын
@@cheyannei5983 hahaha fgm-148 Javelin go *WOOSH KABOOM!*
@cheyannei5983
@cheyannei5983 Жыл бұрын
@@thejayman1886 The K2 actually has a Javelin-esque missile launcher from the 120mm. It's very nice. The tank can have infantry acquire the target and fire indirectly from five miles away. Top attack EFP, so ERA tiles aren't effective.
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 Жыл бұрын
@@cheyannei5983 Nice! Thanks for the extra information bro!
@davidjernigan8161
@davidjernigan8161 Жыл бұрын
Really well built. It looks like it could be loaded up and shot today with no issues.
@pappamike6231
@pappamike6231 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@davidcox3076
@davidcox3076 Жыл бұрын
It's a shame they never got issued after the war. They would have stood up well to service out on the western frontier.
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 Жыл бұрын
Nice solid looking revolver. I would feel a lot more comfortable behind this gun than many of the revolvers of small manufacturers of the period.
@firstconsul7286
@firstconsul7286 Жыл бұрын
These guys were in Utica, huh? That's not too far from home. Learning more and more about how Upstate NY isn't just a crap hole in the middle of Rochester and NYC, first with volunteering at Ft. Ontario, and learning the military history about the area, and now that there was some pretty cool manufacturing going on nearby. I bet some of these revolvers went to Ft. Ontario since that's just around the corner.
@brian8152
@brian8152 Жыл бұрын
amazing bluing for such an old gun. my colt 1892 DA revolver has pretty good bluing still as well but this looks even more uniform (tho on the colt its a shinier blue in the spots that the finish remains).
@georgesheffield1580
@georgesheffield1580 Жыл бұрын
Most likely a polished rust blue job ,like London guns
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine Жыл бұрын
I wonder if they had an oven to do them all at once.
@CandidZulu
@CandidZulu Жыл бұрын
Very popular with target shooters in Europe! Feinwerkbau made a reproduction of it called History No2. A high end BP target gun.
@danilonakazone386
@danilonakazone386 Жыл бұрын
Its nice to see and hear a happy story about gun making! Kind bad the guns never saw use, it would be nice to know how they performed in use, but Its really nice how good condition they are!
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to go through bannerman's warehouse.
@majorlee76251
@majorlee76251 Жыл бұрын
Fine shooting revolver. Got the replica.
@corneliussulla9963
@corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын
Me too. German production by Feinwerkbau. The flagship of my collection.
@Angelum_Band
@Angelum_Band Жыл бұрын
How does it compare to the Remington Model 1958?
@majorlee76251
@majorlee76251 Жыл бұрын
@@Angelum_Band dont have a Remington, but better that the 1860 army colt
@corneliussulla9963
@corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын
Btw the Rogers and Spencer has one big flaw. It lacks a hammer rest in the back of the cylinder. No groove like in the Remingtons, nor a pin like in the Colts. So, you would either load only 5 chambers or walk around with the risk of the hammer on halfcock.
@loboheeler
@loboheeler Жыл бұрын
Yep, the Remington has a great easy to use cylinder safe position. It also does not require a tool to remove the cylinder. I can do a "Pale Rider" cylinder change fairly fast with my Uberti.
@corneliussulla9963
@corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын
@@loboheeler Yep. I do have some spare cylinders for my Remington but had them only once at the range. After having to clean them, I decided that it wasnt such a great idea after all. ;-)
@JohnSmith-yv6eq
@JohnSmith-yv6eq Жыл бұрын
@@corneliussulla9963 Before ultrasound cleaners?
@corneliussulla9963
@corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq I dont have such space technology. But I have a small wire cup brush and a cordless screwdriver.
@AndrewAMartin
@AndrewAMartin Жыл бұрын
@@corneliussulla9963 No need for such aggressive cleaning tools - soap and water and an old toothbrush are sufficient. Black powder residue isn't THAT hard to clean... Bonus tip: hydrogen peroxide makes a great hand cleaner for black powder...
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 Жыл бұрын
Very nice pistol. Thank you for the lesson.
@sypernova6969
@sypernova6969 Жыл бұрын
oh man! I want to see you load, shoot and reload that beast!
@tberkoff
@tberkoff Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mention that it looks very much like the Remington New Model Army revolver.
@RedGnoll
@RedGnoll Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's a little too obvious. They look even more similiar to the smaller caliber Spiller & Burr in the way you remove the cylinder, although they're made of proper blued steel.
@22BOZIDAR
@22BOZIDAR Жыл бұрын
The Spiller and burr, is a copy of the Whitney revolver.
@RedGnoll
@RedGnoll Жыл бұрын
@@22BOZIDAR Yes, I believe Ian made a video on the S&P a while ago explaining this, which is where I saw the disassembly process with a similar screw holding the loading lever in place I believe.
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 Жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian . 🐺
@ddimoulis
@ddimoulis Жыл бұрын
"All you have to do is rotate it 90 degrees" - proceeds to turn the screw 45 degrees . HAahahahah. Love ya, Ian.
@bramster-b9v
@bramster-b9v Жыл бұрын
Pythagoras would turn in his grave 360 degrees. You are a genius
@LordRaa
@LordRaa Жыл бұрын
It's heartening to hear about a successful Civil War contract.
@howler6490
@howler6490 Жыл бұрын
What a great piece...such simplicity...awesome work by the originators. Looks "just like all the others " but definitely deserves its own segment. Well done Ian...
@davedoane4281
@davedoane4281 Жыл бұрын
It was a great revolver to do a metallic cartridge conversion with. never got to hold a conversion but have seen them behind a glass case. If you ever get your hands on one I would be interested in seeing a video.
@geoffreyrussell660
@geoffreyrussell660 Жыл бұрын
How about a video on Francis Bannerman??
@AccidentalNinja
@AccidentalNinja Жыл бұрын
Nice to hear a success story rather than them biting off more than they could chew.
@BIGGIEEEECHEESE
@BIGGIEEEECHEESE Жыл бұрын
First thing I wake up to is a forgotten weapons video…today’s going to be a good day
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 Жыл бұрын
I know I said this before elsewhere but, can you please do a sand and or mud test on the 1886 winchester? You have not done a mud or sand test on a lever action rifle in a long time. I think the 1886 is a good fit for a sand test because it has strong locking blocks with tight tolerances. Thanks! Edit: thanks for the likes everyone. I hope Ian sees this. If you're reading this Ian, know this; you're my hero. You're a lot of peoples hero. God bless.
@mattnw42
@mattnw42 Жыл бұрын
or a 92 or 94
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 Жыл бұрын
@@mattnw42 I want to see the 1886 because nobody ever talks about it. It is the red-headed middle child. It deserves its time in the sun because it is extremely underappreciated for what it is and was.
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 Жыл бұрын
@@mattnw42 this is pretty much what you're looking for though: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGacpXuFbZJ7oqs
@tommyw.9424
@tommyw.9424 Жыл бұрын
@@thejayman1886 I love the 1886, it gave us the great 1892 in its scaled down form and the weaker but also great 1894 action.
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 Жыл бұрын
@@tommyw.9424 I have my great grandfathers 1886 chambered in 40-65 (26" octagonal barrel, dual apperature open-ring peep sight") and I love it. I care for it daily. Best shooting gun ever. Recoil goes straight upwards not backwards into your shoulder. The only "bad" thing I can say about it is that cleaning is a pain in the ass because the gun is not designed to come appart.
@rkirschner7175
@rkirschner7175 Жыл бұрын
OUTSTANDING. Thank you. 🦅
@YaoiMastah
@YaoiMastah Жыл бұрын
I'm a happy owner of one of those Italian reproductions. And I must say, it is absolute by far the best shooting gun in my collection. No hickups, never jams, fits perfect in my hand, unlike those Remington revolvers. It's a delight to shoot, and I've even won several competitions with it. And all that for a meagre 25 euros (I got it secondhand).
@erikbender1
@erikbender1 Жыл бұрын
I have a navy arms reproduction. I wanted it because my grandfather showed me his original that he paid 4.00 for.
@Radioactive661
@Radioactive661 Жыл бұрын
Amazing videos as always ian, much love and respect from Australia
@jpmangen
@jpmangen Жыл бұрын
Some used spare cylinders as the first speed loader. They found that it was quicker to change out a cylinder than load each chamber individually.
@seanfoltz7645
@seanfoltz7645 Жыл бұрын
That's so sad that such a good gun ended up with a history of "sat in a warehouse for forty years and then was finally released to the public long after it was obsolete."
@ronaldjohnson1474
@ronaldjohnson1474 7 ай бұрын
And then sold for pennies on the dollar. Typical government waste!
@Gordonseries385
@Gordonseries385 Жыл бұрын
👍 Thank you for the history, Ian. Take care!
@jack1701e
@jack1701e 6 ай бұрын
Honestly this gun is if nothing else aesthetically pleasing. Looks no nonsense and reliable!
@TimberwolfCY
@TimberwolfCY Жыл бұрын
Man, it's nice to hear a story that actually turned out well. Seems like a great wheelgun there, wow.
@timbaskett6299
@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын
Really a great looking pistol. Even above the Remington 1858, my personal favorite large bore cap and ball revolver.
@KVW22
@KVW22 Жыл бұрын
Another great video, absolutely love the civil war Era firearms, favorite videos from you, keep it up!
@brucebello2049
@brucebello2049 Жыл бұрын
Great story Ian, thanks for bringing it to us, cheers
@richardmedeiros4337
@richardmedeiros4337 Жыл бұрын
I had a repo one, and out shot a friend with colt 45,must have been lucky that day,great fit in the hand and easy to load
@CurtHowland
@CurtHowland Жыл бұрын
I've always preferred the revolvers with a top-strap.
@Bacteriophagebs
@Bacteriophagebs Жыл бұрын
Looks like the biggest flaw was that they weren't "tactical" enough. Which at the time meant "you can swap the empty cylinder for a loaded one without tools in under a minute."
@HircineDaWolf
@HircineDaWolf Жыл бұрын
wasn't that easy, and people did not do that, keep in mind cylinders need to be fit to the hand of a revolver, they are rarely if ever drop in fit pieces. Now if they were totally fitted for the same gun I wouldn't doubt it, but it doesn't seem like its all too historically accurate. Pale Rider isn't real
@corneliussulla9963
@corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын
Didnt happen back then anyway. The main flaw of the R&S is the lack of a hammer rest in the back of the cylinder.
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 Жыл бұрын
@@Manco65 and when they were out of bullets they would just clobber you over the head with 'em. Reloading takes way too long.
@Bacteriophagebs
@Bacteriophagebs Жыл бұрын
@@Manco65 I've literally never seen anyone do that in a movie (though I gather it happened in _Pale Rider_ from a previous comment). I only know about it from people doing it with modern reproductions. Was this a common thing in Westerns at some point?
@johnchristopher20
@johnchristopher20 Жыл бұрын
I live 20 miles from “Bannerman’s Island” as it’s known. There are videos about it on KZbin; I recommend looking at them for a fascinating history story.
@theangrymick9743
@theangrymick9743 Жыл бұрын
I’m less than 5 miles from it myself. I see it everyday on my commute.
@carlettoburacco9235
@carlettoburacco9235 Жыл бұрын
That Dealer ...... when he sold 4 out of 4982 he was already in the black. When you see old photos from the turn of the century, you still see a lot of similar ones around. Not a bad deal
@nlb2000
@nlb2000 Жыл бұрын
Traded a scooter for one a few years ago.......... I didn't even know what it was when I traded, took a risk and it looks like it paid off lol
@Psilomuscimol
@Psilomuscimol 6 ай бұрын
I bought a running Vespa for $100 and sold it for $200 to a guy in my neighborhood
@redsky8509
@redsky8509 Жыл бұрын
I had a pair of modern made ones. yes fantastic pistol.
@chaddnewman2699
@chaddnewman2699 7 ай бұрын
The ruins of Bannerman’s Castle sit on an island in the middle of the Hudson River just north of West Point. Fascinating man and I was tickled to learn of his connection to these pistols.
@David_Crayford
@David_Crayford Жыл бұрын
Nice beefy clicks as you rotate the cylinder on this old thing. 🙂
@stevejorgensen5274
@stevejorgensen5274 9 ай бұрын
A little late on this. Quite a few years ago I ran across a R&S cartrage conversion at a gun show. The price was cheap but I has already spent the cash I had with me. The tag said it was in 44 Colt. I almost went back with cash to buy it but didn't. I regret not going back as it would have went with my original Colt Richard's conversion. As always great video.
@shreksleftnut8190
@shreksleftnut8190 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see Ian talk about how firearm manufacturing has changed over the centuries, from ye olden times to modern stuff. He visited that factory making links for ammo, and that was cool(IMO). As he said in this video, making guns isn't easy. And he's gone on record in other videos to talk about how it takes a long ass time to get shit set up to make em. I'm just saying it's a topic I'd be interested in hearing more about... gimme likes so he can see?
@shreksleftnut8190
@shreksleftnut8190 Жыл бұрын
It's the kinda thing that would take multiple videos to cover different eras, gun types, countries' specific methods, etc.
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 Жыл бұрын
The R&S owes much to the Remington New Army design, many features of which it embodies. The Rogers' action work is not as robust as the Remington but nevertheless it is a fine revolver; the only one IMHO that is in the same ballpark as the Remington for reliability. I do love the grip on the Rogers... it's one of the nicest single action grips shapes ever made. A fine weapon by any standard.
@motog6436
@motog6436 Жыл бұрын
Next time we have a civil war we'll have to hold on to all the surplus until nostalgia kicks in and they become valuable antiques. What else are we gonna do with all the ARs when the gun stores only sell phased plasma rifles?
@Vincent-S
@Vincent-S Жыл бұрын
Always nice to hear of the success stories of the Civil War gun manufacturers that didn’t either constantly fail to meet their contract quotas in time or by volume and got their contracts cancelled and slowly disappeared a while after or just outright died when the war ended because surprise, surprise, wars don’t really last forever.
@variacenavsiav9945
@variacenavsiav9945 Жыл бұрын
Nice to hear about miracles. Puzzle is puzzle. Thank you.
@brian8152
@brian8152 Жыл бұрын
ive heard of the Pattengil double action revolvers, i see them on gunbroker sometimes
@wolfmann2023
@wolfmann2023 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video especially the history lesson, thank you for that Ian
@danielburgess7785
@danielburgess7785 Жыл бұрын
Ian does the homework, also has an encyclopedia in his head.
@wjgrind
@wjgrind Жыл бұрын
nicely done, of the few original pistols of that era I have the R&S feels the best in my hand. If it had been issued early in the war we would be talking about it instead of the 1860 Colt or 1858 Remington.
@hbowlan
@hbowlan Жыл бұрын
Now that is a well designed gun. There is a beauty to this kind of design.
@Shaggy8675
@Shaggy8675 Жыл бұрын
I used to have one, shoot it every week. Amazing gun and the best sa trigger i ever had including tuned s&w revolvers Had to part with it, but stil miss it.
@davidjernigan8161
@davidjernigan8161 Жыл бұрын
Put a centerfife cylinder, and an ejector rod and housing on it in place of the loading lever and it looks a lot like a single action army
@raznaak
@raznaak Жыл бұрын
"If my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bicycle!"
@danvlasuk
@danvlasuk Жыл бұрын
Gun so good it never saw service, amazing
@stevenhoman2253
@stevenhoman2253 Жыл бұрын
That is singularly the soundest and most stout looking single action revolver, I have ever seen. It in fact meets the steam punk requirement, looking contemporary, while having the late 1800s functionality. Beautifully constructed and presented.
@johnwillis4706
@johnwillis4706 Жыл бұрын
I inherited two of these from my Grandfather. Each revolver has two spare cylinders. They are in excellent condition. My Grandfather got them from his father. Not sure where Great Granddad got them.
@raznaak
@raznaak Жыл бұрын
99.64% chance they're from Bannerman 😂
@schwkrls
@schwkrls Жыл бұрын
I swear this is the first successful contract I've ever seen on this channel. Even many big-name firearms start off pretty rough.
@jessestreet2549
@jessestreet2549 Жыл бұрын
7:21 "the crap got sold", cue the anguished cries of the Colt Army .44 fans. p.s. i owned and assembled a cva .44. great design.
@davidcarr7436
@davidcarr7436 Жыл бұрын
First thing in the morning coffee and Forgotten Weapons
@d33b33
@d33b33 Жыл бұрын
Funny how the same... ratio still exists in US surplus sales in Europe. Not guns, obviously, but Hummers, Blazers etc. They're sold in lots by the kilo to licensed buyers and the bidding ends somewhere in the 60-70 Euro cent per kilo. A hummer is 4000 kilo, so 2600 Euro for a US surplus Hummer ($ to € roughly 1:1) is an incredible deal if the car was a pristine garage queen, of which there are a rare few. There are also be IED victims in the lot, or ripped from the woods while it had trees growing through them, and everything in between. So I go the this guy's website and the H1 6.2 liter diesels start at 25K Euro. He says yeah each one of those has about 18K euro's of parts and labor in them, combining wrecks into working, decent looking H1s but full of spray painted over get this sh!t out the door snot welds. If you do the math, it's Francis Bannerman's same margin, but going 26 cents to $3.10, up to 70 cents to $6.25 per kilo. This scrap dealer is using Francis Bannerman's formula in 2022.
@erik_dk842
@erik_dk842 Жыл бұрын
The way surplus auctions are set up, you would think that their purpose was to get as little revenue as possible. Whenever there are items of interest for common people, they lump them together so the total price gets out of reach, even though the price per unit is very low. I have also heard stories of army personnel deliberately destroying stuff right before the auction.
@jaredniehaus3242
@jaredniehaus3242 Жыл бұрын
What a beautiful pistol. I can tell it’s well made just by looking at it.
@VoidmageCassidy
@VoidmageCassidy Жыл бұрын
So happy I was awake at 9 for this
@greenbroccolistudios1275
@greenbroccolistudios1275 Жыл бұрын
Nice revolver Stranger! *Eagle sound*
@smittywerben3400
@smittywerben3400 Жыл бұрын
There is a company here in germany called Feinwerkbau that made replicas of these revolvers. These are some of the best muzzleloader revolvers, well regarded amongst sportshooters but prices of these replicas are very high. See you next year at IWA 2023 Ian.
@johnpatrickmcp
@johnpatrickmcp Жыл бұрын
A few years back at a garage sale I found some early 1900s copies of the bannerman catalog and man I wish I could have a time machine to go back and order some things out of it.
@65deh
@65deh Жыл бұрын
I believe this was the pistol Clint Eastwood carried in the movie Unforgiven.
@Old.Monkey.Bones.
@Old.Monkey.Bones. Жыл бұрын
Excellent video Ian, pleased you have done this one. I have one of the Feinwerkbau R&S revolvers and it shoots very well indeed.
@notme123123
@notme123123 Жыл бұрын
You should do a story on Bannerman and his island in the Hudson River.
@albertforletta1498
@albertforletta1498 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the work and time that you put into your videos. I watch all of your videos, and I am always entertained while I’m learning something interesting.
@georgeboultadakis8530
@georgeboultadakis8530 Жыл бұрын
Best replica, peitta from Italy 🇮🇹 hands down
@fhorst41
@fhorst41 Жыл бұрын
Wait... you're in PA? In my back yard? Welcome to the area. Love your videos.
@williewilliams6571
@williewilliams6571 Жыл бұрын
Why did I KNOW Ian was gonna say "Bannerman"? Boy I wish Bannerman's still existed!
@randywatson8347
@randywatson8347 Жыл бұрын
That is a beautifully machined revolver.
@Eddythebandkid
@Eddythebandkid Жыл бұрын
I did enjoy, Thank you too Ian
@TheArklyte
@TheArklyte Жыл бұрын
Tbh, I expected "best Civil War revolver" to be double action imports...
@attilarza
@attilarza Жыл бұрын
"Dying ain't much of a living, BOAH"
@bwhog
@bwhog Жыл бұрын
Hmm.. Never heard of this but I like what I see! I should add this to my list.
@interestingoldthings4889
@interestingoldthings4889 Жыл бұрын
A lot about this design is reminiscent of the Whitney (and its Spiller & Burr copy) revolvers, down to the sight arrangement, the flared grip, and the way the cylinder axis pin/rammer assembly is retained. The overall proportions are different, but the details are similar.
@shooter575
@shooter575 Жыл бұрын
The Italian repos are the preferred pistol to shoot in competition with the N-SSA. Very well made accurate and robust. Alas they are not being made at this time
@herbertliedel7019
@herbertliedel7019 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jim. Have to find some pistol caps and start using mine again.
@Jimtheneals
@Jimtheneals Жыл бұрын
One thing about revolvers of this period that kinda bother me is the triggers all look like just a bent piece of metal, almost an afterthought, but this gun has a very good-looking trigger. The fact they met every delivery date on time, is just the icing on the cake.
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