Blades of Khaine Kill Team Review

[@ecth97]

I don’t understand why it was so hard for the Devs to understand that they need to treat the basic aspect warriors like they are melee and ranged specialists, and not like they are just warriors. You could pretty easily give each warrior some serious buffs, with them still being balanced by just how fragile they are

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah agreed, it's a shame

[@theredcomet5670]

Yeah, you'd think guys who can take on Space Marines 1 on 1 would be more effective.

[@amaan6964]

give scorpions 3+ save, banshees ignore piercing and dire avengers can double shoot.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

How would Banshees benefit from ignoring piercing?

[@reluxor]

Dodge?

[@reluxor]

I would also love the scorpion to have an aspect technique that give their shuriken pistols the silent keyword.

[@jackgebhardt2932]

​@@CanYouRollaCrit I dunno, lightning reflexes? Im down with it.

[@TheKingsdread]

Played them yesterday against my friends HoA. I won 11-10 but honestly felt on the backfoot the entire time. Was kind of surprised to learn that my Exarch doesn't get to hit on 2+ but the Crimson Duelist does. Also a bit annoyed that Space Marines now get their double shoot/double fight baked in for free and we still have to pay for it. Dire Avenger were pretty effective (the buffed Fists were quite a surprise but a welcome one). Banshees felt pretty bad outside of the Acrobatics enabled long Charge and the Exarch being decent. Scorpions felt alright too, honestly felt better than the Banshees but mostly because of the Aspect Techniques and the Stealth it allowed. Overall the team was fun to play but felt super fragile. Hope they get buffed because I actually really like them.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Too fragile atm

[@TheKingsdread]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Yeah thats how they felt. Can't imagine going into Elites when I was already getting shredded by Drukhari.

[@KingGale]

Finally one of the team reviews I've been looking forward to! Even though I suspect John will be somewhat disappointed with the team's potential, as I am.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's fine

[@DaedalusShard]

How can they lose with Firefight Ploys like: "Pretend you're an Astartes with worse weapons A" "Pretend you're an Astartes with worse weapons B" "Run away for 1 less AP so an Astartes can Counteract you later this TP and kill you from full health 25% of the time" and "Deny your Astartes opponent rerolls they won't need because they hit on 3+ and can upgrade dice with minimal resource expenditure" To think, in one year, the only classified Aeldari team could be these gigachads. At only $170US to switch out (up to 5!) of your Swiss Army toothpicks for combs or nail files, I fear for the Imperium.

[@ДавидГлузман]

I think this criticism is valid for all non-elite teams. Elites seem too oppressive

[@fransaacs]

What's left to develop and release... Exodites? It's a shame the other two Aeldari factions (especially given the recent improvements to Corsairs) become un-classified about this time next year. I wonder if this classification ruling will get gently relaxed or even rolled back or that somehow popular player favorites remain evergreen at tournament level? A one box team of dino-elf outcasts could be cool. We'll see.

[@KingGale]

​@@fransaacs​I'd love to see a Pathfinders/Outcasts team, or a Seer Council elite team for Eldar.

[@Altharicus]

@@KingGale or warp spiders :>

[@CitizennK]

A wraith construct elite team would be cool

[@MichaelHusman-b2l]

Dark Reapers would be nice in there!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah but they won't be added sadly

[@MichaelHusman-b2l]

@@CanYouRollaCrit 🥲

[@TheRainfield]

Imagine those changes being implemented, the excitement i would have for BoK.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It'd be great haha

[@brianlawler7640]

I'm confused by the Dire Avenger Passive. If its "Contested" does that mean if it's on an objective by itself it doesn't get Accurate 1.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

You're contesting an objective when you're within control range of it (:

[@theredcomet5670]

I'll probably run the team with the changes you suggest here when I play with my friends. We all love our precious aspect warriors and it breaks our hearts to see them in such a sorry state 😭

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Aha thanks hope they work well for you!

[@martylund8411]

Lack of a 3+ save on Striking Scorpions is a travesty

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup ):

[@juicemonger3872]

Warpcoven get 3 sorcerers. Would this kill team be broken if they could take all 3 exarchs at the same time?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yes and wouldn't make much sense, compared how it does for WC

[@ddtskullbreaker]

local game club has old scout vs scorpion box(killteam salvation)price at 113 or 130 I forget the exact number. Worth picking up?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It sounds like an okay deal?

[@KingGale]

Only buy if you like both teams

[@ddtskullbreaker]

@@CanYouRollaCrit I have avengers but need some plastic banshee. What’s your favorite mix recipe for aspects?

[@ddtskullbreaker]

@@KingGale definitely, I happen to have a space shark themed kill team project and haven’t bought any new scouts model yet

[@rosspowell4446]

Genuinely expected this video to just be “They are still the best of both worlds: expensive kill team that is also bad against new elite meta” and that was it

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Haha no way

[@chetmanley1885]

I mean, I guess I'll try them? I have an Eldar 40K army so I suppose I'm the target audience, having to buy three boxes to get every operative kind of sucks. They just seem like a pain in the arse to play.

[@andanotherthing6687]

feels like the upcoming Aeldari army release might be the cost effective way to have this team with all the trimmings....

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Hopefully!

[@Jam3643]

Thank you for this! I've never played Kill Team, wanting to get into it so I have a 40k thing I can play with ppl (I'm more into AoS). I saw that Blades of Khaine were maybe a beginner friendly ish team, if I were to just get a box of scorpions would I really be hindering myself or would that be 'fine'? Unless there's like better options for someone who doesn't want to play the Angels of Death dude squad? Thanks! edit: ah okay maybe not this team lol

[@jackalcoyote8777]

If your aversion is to dudes, try Novitiates. They look great and come in one box. Or Elucidian Starstriders!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

8 Scorps are fine, you'll just find it a bit limiting (:

[@Jam3643]

@CanYouRollaCrit Awesome thank you ^_^

[@Jam3643]

@@CanYouRollaCrit If it's between a 1 box or scorpions or banshees which is generally going to be more useful?

[@TheKingsdread]

@@Jam3643 There is only 5 Banshees in one box so you will need 2 if you wanna run the full Banshee Squad. Same with Avengers but they are a lot cheaper per box so 2 Boxes come roughly at the same price as one Box of Scorpions or Banshees. So if you only wanna buy one Box you really don't have a choice.

[@jackalcoyote8777]

Running laps with weights can build endurance. Being forced to try and win with a bad team probably makes you better. Practice with this lot, and Legionary will feel like a breeze in comparison.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Weighted armour training for KT aha

[@jackalcoyote8777]

@@CanYouRollaCrit I'm not even kidding. I think you don't learn as much with a top-tier faction.

[@Mangix_the_Bear]

I think you summarised this kill team well with "expensive to get with little reward" 😢😅 I am still planning to get them sooner or later 😊

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah nice!

[@andreassh1]

They are good now, right... right

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

*Anakin stare intensifies*

[@grendelb3298]

Been loving the Kill Team coverage! It’s how I found your channel and subscribed. This may be a weird question, but can you “legally” use old finecast models for new Kill Team? I bought them for the first Kill Team, and I’d love to use them. Thanks!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah you can, just have to slighty scale them up with cork basing etc

[@BrendanPace]

I feel like they should be massively reworked to become an elite team. 7 operatives with appropriate statlines for an elite team.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah they can still work at 8 imo

[@Dystopia0range]

3+ save would give to the scorpions a nudge of survivability they so desperately need

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup and makes lore sense

[@patrickdunham9490]

Hopefully they get a good buff. And hopefully they don't get new physical data cards until after that happens so the cards aren't immediately obsolete. : p

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I doubt that for the cards sadly 😅

[@patrickdunham9490]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Do we know when more data cards are coming out?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

@patrickdunham9490 not sure sadly

[@KingGale]

Yeah... About what I expected. A team with 65 (!) wounds and 8 operatives cannot, no matter how you cut it, beat a team with 6 operatives and anywhere from 85 to 90 wounds. If you add the incredibly useful elite ploys, faction rules, and so on, then it just becomes a running joke. It's just a shame, but at the same time, you have to wonder - what is GW's balancing process? This is so readily apparent.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They just need some minor adjustments to be viable imo

[@eldenwarden9673]

Guess ill play corsairs.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Not a bad plan

[@reluxor]

This killteam is non thematic. Should have 7 operatives but way better. The exarchs hitting on 3s is a joke. 4 attacks on melee specialist too. As you say, 8 wounds is not enough. I do not understand why it was not conceived as a semi élite kt.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They're just in a weird spot sadly

[@montefrenkel8205]

They need a "virtual" wound. Some semi-reliable way to still get squished by a good shot, but where on average they play more elite.

[@Damnedlegion40k]

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[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Indeed

[@ThKiller458]

maybe 10 operatives would help?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah if you just make them slightly better you don't need to go up on operatives

[@foobot2439]

While accurate is technically a buff for dire avengers, its such a bad one. Accurate is such a feelsbad keyword to get on Shuriken weapons because of rending. You rely on crits to get any work done with shuriken weapons, and losing that chance to roll crits really really hurts. The way to make shuriken weapons better is to find a way make them crit more often, such as the aspect technique they got. You talked about plinking away at elites, but shooting a 14 wound marine with 3 hits and getting 3 damage through just doesnt get the job done. Especially if those marines dont have an incentive to on on engage until you are close anyway. Concealed in cover marines are really difficult to shift without Heavy hitting Piercing weapons.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah accurate is fine, 100% shot over balanced is just better considering you have other ways to get rerolls

[@Pomwarlock]

Yeah, this team is meh. I am also a huge Eldar fan. My first army. Still my favourite. They just don’t feel like specialists for their aspect of war. I like your changes, sounds thematic. Ignore the first 2” of climbing is nice for banshees. Doesn’t remove the importance of their fly power. Scorpions definitely should have a 3+ save. It’s always been in their lore that they have heavy armour equivalent to space marine power armour. Dire avengers I think are fine now, only change I would like is accurate 1 for balanced so it helps proc rending but that’s nitpicking Honestly tho, I don’t think these changes will help. 9 wounds basic would help. Or an extra operative would help. Corsairs are 9 models with pseudo 3APL with same speed same armour same BS, in most situations same weapons, but have access to cool specialists and better weapons? So I don’t think it would break blades of khaine to have 9 operatives with 3APL.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'd rather them +1 wounds base over an extra operative

[@Pomwarlock]

@@CanYouRollaCrit yeah me too, but we seen it before with the devs. The first thing they tend to do for buffs is add an extra operative if the box comes with extra models than the team. Seen it with kroot & scouts & kommandos (kinda)

[@MichaelHusman-b2l]

😢

[@luizfellipemariano1515]

For me, the team seens to work better with full scorpions.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Kinda, full banshees are pretty powerful

[@luizfellipemariano1515]

@CanYouRollaCrit Strike and Fade + Bladewind two times per turning point is pretty good.

[@Locoantropologo]

Buy a guardian box and paint white, green and blue, happy proxying!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Doesn't really work that way, they're smaller than the aspects

[@Locoantropologo]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Maybe there in UK you have more strict rules about proxying.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Proxying with friends is fine but that wouldn't really fly at any event

[@Locoantropologo]

@@CanYouRollaCrit At most tournaments I went there wasnt any problem here in Spain if the model can be read easily. I didnt go to any major, probably more strict there.

[@antongrigoryev6381]

"Melee glass cannon" is a terrible combination in Kill Team due to how melee works. And this team suffers from it probably the most. They really need some durability increase, or at least big improvements in melee consistensy. 4 attacks on 3+ just ain't it.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think it's fine on banshees as it fits their TT role but not scorps. Team just needs +1 w at least

[@Night_Geist]

Accurate is terrible in dire avengers. If you look at the math, it barely increases damage into 3+ and actually goes down in damage if you have rerolls. Balanced on dire avengers pls

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'd still take the reliability it offers

[@leox.jaramillo3231]

So the "Blades of Lame" nickname is warranted.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Noooo