Blew The Brick Out On A New Build- Zappi EV Charger

[@chrisardern4594]

Dont worry pal its going to be the smallest defect in that new build.

[@ORGPPL1]

When drilling from the inside, try switching off hammer mode when you're about half way through outside brick.

[@Gjbsecurityandalarms]

Was just about to say same it takes abit longer but it’s always worked for me

[@Akz-xc1gu]

I used to install tv lines and I did this all the time after a while you get used to when you'll pop out

[@dennisreid4428]

@@Gjbsecurityandalarms me too, the bits will take the heat. Remember drilling walls when we only had hammer drills? yeah sds is quicker, buts makes so many blow outs! Also who ever used Q-Max hole cutters before all the new stuff came along?

[@acelectricalsecurity]

The bricks are that crap on new build houses you can drill the hole with hammer switched off on an SDS or use a regular hammer drill it won't bust the brick.

[@bencrabb303]

Thought this was taught to anyone….. shoddy drilling!

[@md2320]

I think you can take the drill off hammer action towards the end of drilling the hole and this limits the damage to the brick face!!!! 👍

[@dh2032]

and slow and easy, let drill do the drilling, how every long it takes, new sharp bit too?

[@dh2032]

also it's stated that its new build? how new? are still build houses on the estate, see if you an odd new brick? off the builder?

[@johncoe530]

Thanks for the shout out 😊 almost perfect “West Yorkshire” 😂😂

[@davidashford-sentanel.]

Hi Nick if you accidently knock out part off the brick try if possible to get brick dust or smash up brick wasted and mix with mortor to try and shade the effect with a covering

[@EdwardBretherton]

i have a 22mm core bit for drilling out, clean finish every time

[@jamiebaker5690]

Great video Nick, good to see you back to your normal self

[@christophermaddams3723]

I drill so far then switch off the hammer for the last bit. I also use a small drill and then drill from outside with the larger bit to cable size.

[@xb4b1x]

Octopus fit zappis with 6mm CAT5 as standard. So solars and battery's can be hard wired into the zappi

[@x1BULLETfromABOVE1x]

Had the exact same problem with a turbidity meter, nice and simple fix but im glad other people have the same issues in other electronic gear

[@anthonybragg]

At least you have learnt if you have that problem next time you will know how to resolve it. For me what has given me reservations about doing car chargers is not the installation it's the setting up and programming and what happens if the customer rings up with an issue.

[@paulhyland3528]

I used a hilti px 10 transpointer hole locator for the first time other day. Amazing bit of kit lined up a hole through over a ft worth of concrete floor to be core drilled. Was absolutely bang on when the drill came out expensive bit of kit but worth it!

[@freeitstafford]

First video I ever saw of yours, many moons ago, was when you'd goofed a drilling angle and had to fess up to the customer. How things have come on 🤣

[@ashleybignell2366]

i drill half way through the outer leaf, then use a 25mm core drill to finish off. It takes a bit longer, but always a perfect finish on outside wall.

[@johnwarwick4105]

Reminds me of many years ago when I bought an SDS drill and had a job on a house built out of engineering bricks. Usually ended up blowing half a brick out the other side, bit of a learning curve 😂

[@Dom6232]

Don’t leave it on hammer all the way through. Drill when you are nearly through. You can gage the thickness of the wall near an external door and window and mark your drill bit with some tape.

[@picklyplum]

Very competitive price there Nick. Octopus standard install for tethered zappi is around the same cost.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Well you won't get rich at those prices, way too cheap.

[@xb4b1x]

Octopus do use 6mm with CAT 5data though

[@JensenPGATourDriven]

Enjoyed watching and learning Nick , ⚡️👊

[@shanepotticary9238]

Might not have been best for the sds but I used to do internet installs for a telecoms company and the company policy was to drill inside to the outside, wasn't allowed to do the opposite so the way I managed to minimise blowing out the bricks would be to set the sds in between the drill and sds mode and vary the setting as I was drilling so that it would only slightly hammer and not at full strength. Sounds more like a rattle than the hammer mode. Doubt it did the drill any good and I'm sure someone will ratify in the comments but had the same one for 2 years and worked fine the whole time I had it. Was a makita so your mileage may vary with a different brand tool cos it didnt work the best with a dewalt when I had my hands on one. If you ever need to do a cable run from the hole to another location, some buster plates and a tonne of silicone does the job. The other more proper way would be to blast thru the first brick on hammer, enter the cavity, then go like 30-40mm and switch to normal drill for the rest, just takes too long imo.

[@ForTheBirbs]

Geeez. Why oh why are splitm boards even allowed any more? Changed a few years ago in Aus. A good move by Doncaster cables. While we've "harmonised" our standards old wiring colours are still the norm for fixed wiring here but changed decades ago for flex cables. We did away with bare earth cables in 1970's or so. CPC is fully insulated and same size as main conductors for twin and earth

[@brightsparkmid]

Love the heat shrink, il be nicking that next week, just not that Bosch thing. No one likes Bosch anymore 😝

[@muttlymoo]

What's the point in having sleaved earth in twin and earth?

[@streaky81]

"Hager split-load board in a new build, work that out" - was pretty much word-for-word the question I had when I bought mine early 2022. Absolute nonsense. Still haven't got around to replacing it with that double stacked 22 way FuseBox board I keep eyeing up.. Also what I'd do - and do do - is sharp bits and not use hammer, that's usually your best way to not have a blow out, that drill bit is far too small to need hammer, if your bits are blunt sharpen/replace them, they should go through that wall like a knife through butter without hammer. It's like we've forgotten how to use drills. Second one is beefier might need it, but that 6, 8mm, whatever it was... It can still happen, but it's almost like you want it to like that.

[@jarrahmccarty-smith3885]

We have been using sleeved cpc in Australia more then 20 years, have no idea why UK wouldn’t do the same.

[@ForTheBirbs]

One random question. Where's the property boundary between the new builds? Is this a shared driveway / access?

[@TheRCBiker]

How could it be shared? Knock on the neighbours door when their car is blocking yours in? 😂 the neighbours drive will be the other side of their house, probably

[@ForTheBirbs]

​@TheRCBiker it was a serious question. I'm not in the UK and wondering where the property boundary is, where Nick is working.

[@J2080-q9m]

Nick I’m disappointed you didn’t notice the theme tune Zappi’s play when turned on is from Zelda! I asked them at a trade show and apparently one of the designers is a fan of the game.

[@jamesbarry6014]

Jaysus only getting the earth sleeved in coils this year 😂😂 wait till lsf cable comes in down line for ye

[@Mark-bd2yz]

Turn off hammer when you 1/2to 3/4 though outside brick/mortar and just drill takes a couple more seconds but no blow out of brick 🧱

[@KingstonHomeMaintenance]

You do make me laugh Nick, good work on out-ternally stuff. New word, oxford will be calling.

[@zxyqwerty123]

Any idea why the charger has to be mounted at that height? Seems very low and would make more sense if it was a customer preference where it goes.

[@kobirelf97]

I moved into a flat last year obviously had been rewired but it's a split load board like wtf why

[@fanoscharalambous2098]

Great Video and install. What EV Charger would you recommend or like to install ?

[@jonathanrose456]

Board height:- that should be top/bottom of switch 1200/450mm according to part m. EV charger likewise. Customer can request that it be at a different height but not in a new build & you’ll want the instruction in writing. Some councils are looking at taking action on part m. Blowout:- measure depth of wall & turn hammer off for the last 35mm. A new apprentice would be good for you I think.

[@PrzemoKow]

Hi Nick Are you sure £1020 INCLUDING vat?? That EV is about £700 itself, after you take off £200 for the vat, about £100 fot SPD, MCB, cable and trunking what is your profit margin on this job?

[@bobpaxton-yeo6607]

Please use a hammer to knock the red plugs home fantastic videos look forward to seeing them

[@declang565]

Brick buster good to cover the hole Nick

[@rustybucket6935]

Nice job but your Zappi needs to be on a double pole breaker and connected so that no other circuits are effected in the event of a fault. As you decided to stick with the existing board, you can get a Hagar double pole RCBO which should have been put that to the right of the main switch with your surge protection. That's why in 99% of cases it's cheaper, quicker and compliant to fit a dedicated EV CU with surge protection. I think Zappi have also updated their literature stating that it should be on a 40a supply ;-)

[@williammartinculleton5875]

Yes it’s non compliant if on a single pole MCB, must be double pole, in Ireland we install a external isolator as well. “ To be sure, to be sure” 😂😂😂

[@stunicholson3921]

Zappi says that it just needs to be a suitably rated MCB (32A for a 6mm2 cable), there is no requirement for DP, Zappi itself offers full PEN fault detection and isolation. The circuit is protected within the Zappi to prevent the problems that you mention. You also only need RCD protection at the CU if the cable is SWA, which it is not. There would be more of an argument here to have the MCB placed in the CU outside of the protection of the RCD to allow the home owner to identify easily where the trip has occurred. Looks to be a safe install, nothing would raise a concern.

[@rustybucket6935]

PEN protection is nothing to do with the requirement to use double pole protection. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5-WfI1up7ysY9U

[@rustybucket6935]

@@stunicholson3921 PEN fault detection has nothing to do with using DP protection. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5-WfI1up7ysY9U&ab_channel=eFIXX

[@stunicholson3921]

850 + VAT is £1020. £580 for the charger+ £50 for the SPD&MCB+ £20 for the cable and Wagos means your total equipment cost is £650. Half a day labour is therefore £200+VAT. I would say this is on the low side considering the cost of your tools, testing equipment, training/certifications and business expenses including depreciation and fuel.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

You are spot on there, there was a guy on a forum, some boffin, and he worked out, it costs around £80 per day to cover all your costs, and he listed everything, insurance, vehicle, tools etc etc. But I have always said electricians are useless at pricing, they feel the need to give everything away on the cheap.

[@joparish1037]

Definitely seems a bit low. Paid £1400 for near exact install about 18 months ago - tethered Zappi, couple of metres of trunking, rcbo at the board, few sundries, about half a day.

[@markrainford1219]

They sell cordless heat guns in pound shop. Five for a quid.

[@timshanks9130]

Twin and earth was sold with a sleeved cpc over 30 years ago! It didn't sell well because of the price! I guess the same will happen again!

[@stunicholson3921]

DC have said it is sold as the same price as non sleeved CPC cable.

[@martind12]

now i know why they are called Hammer Drills !!!!

[@tommythomson99]

State of that brick work, Looks bloody awful! Like the brick underneath the extractor😳

[@nigelbarton8350]

Ever since I was a kid (now 60!) my dad taught me drill through with the smallest possible bit first, then come back from both sides with the big one. Works for wood, brick, concrete- almost no risk of damage.

[@ecoterrorist1402]

is zappi install zero VAT on install + purchase, i just learnt its 20%

[@darrenthompson6046]

Love the videos and keep up the good work but can i ask again about the prize draw have i missed it the one where when you get to 100,000 subscribers you was given away all that tools

[@TurboTimsWorld]

There is a vent brick on your right that is directly above a standard brick OMG can you get it moved please

[@richrowley8355]

Nice rawl hammer Nick !

[@thedodger1387]

why a split load board on a new installation ? , surely the consumer unit is a knocking/splash /damage hazard at that height and location

[@tomcashman8567]

Are you going into AV Nick?? Lutron, Control 4 etc. straight forward for a person with your experience

[@landroverlandyman]

It happens to the best of us Blowing a brick I mean. Who’s Artisan anyway 😂

[@Mark-mv2iu]

I’m baffled that twin and earth cable isn’t standard over there. That’s all we get in Australia.

[@barrieshepherd7694]

Because the Aussie Earth is insulated the overal cable size is greater, this would make it difficult to fit in some UK conditions. Doncaster Cables have been able to modify the insulation composition so it can be thinner and thus the overal cable the same size.

[@timshanks9130]

Why are people still fitting split boards!

[@mikebrooks9854]

Hi Nick, Did you have to go on a EV course?

[@jinsand77]

That job should have been £1500 + easy. I was thinking of doing the ev course but what your charging doesnt seem worth it. With all materials deducted you would make more on testing and doing eicr's in half the time you spent on that job.

[@AndyK.1]

I guess as a 1 man company, EV installs are easy work and good money

[@wiredbyjames]

Nice install, pal! I've had the same issue. You'll get similar when the screen is not fully plugged in..another one to keep in mind. Can happen easily if the screen has been disconnected/ reconnected or it's slightly hanging by its own wait as you're fitting the unit... You get missing text on screen or doesn't interact correctly

[@rik061119]

Really cheap that nick. Materials are about £750. Just because people call it the going rate doesn't mean its correct. I dont see where your business profit is ? You've barely paid yourself a wage from that

[@wroteboat]

Nick love the video's keep going strong brother

[@InTruServ]

I’m assuming the £1k you’re mentioning doesn’t include the Zappi itself Nick, just the cable, accessories and installation?

[@NBundyElectrical]

No incudes the zappi mate 👍 why do you think it’s too cheap?

[@InTruServ]

@@NBundyElectrical sound like it’s massively cheap. Tethered Zappi retail is £700 alone, if you put on £50-£100 for all the other consumables/cables, that’s only £200 left, travel to site, install, configure, certification, VAT, that seems like a really low hourly rate, although I’ve no idea how long your total time is that you’ve got invested into this install. I’ve got my first EV chargepoint coming up soon, it’s for a PodPoint Solo 3, will be interesting to see how it goes.

[@wiredbyjames]

​@NBundyElectrical I recon you could have been around £1100

[@TheRCBiker]

1k just for the cable and labour? What idiot would pay that 🤣

[@roydowling2542]

​@@TheRCBiker every artisan customer.

[@daviddyson8851]

Surprised BOSCH haven’t told you their small impact drivers don’t have a second use as a hammer 😂😂

[@geoffupton]

aww spoilsport! the undefined second use is no more! 😂😂😂

[@acelectricalsecurity]

It doesn't take long for electricians to start a race to the bottom, a grand to install a charger. A zappi is close to £600 plus vat, then everything else. A plumber will buy a combi boiler for around £700, and think nothing of charging £2k or more to fit it, when are electricians going to wake up.

[@topgazza]

Indeed They overcharge for everything else so why not chargers. To be fair the chargers themselves are a complete rip off

[@stunicholson3921]

Fair point about the plumbers pricing.

[@cliveramsbotty6077]

why are you wearing combat boots from operation desert storm

[@tonywatson1412]

You can't make an omelette without breaking an egg....😊

[@timothyroper1897]

nice.

[@davidwinch57]

Hi nick I think you probably made about £200 for the morning. If you haven't got any other jobs then its another job for people to get you to do. If Jordan charges his £130 an hour then his EVs jobs must be £1500 + Would be interesting to see what others are charging for a short install

[@richardwalsh5882]

Every sane contractor's EVSE jobs are around that price for a standard install with chargepoint.

[@persona250]

Hi Nick the ev charger should not be supplied by an rcd shared with other circuits .

[@brightsparkmid]

No issue at all, the RCD is type A and is adequately sized to accept ev charger along with other circuits

[@markhedley5952]

Yes very much agree, regs say it needs to be double pole isolation and not on the same RCD as other circuits. Only way around it on the Hager board would be the AFDD as that’s double pole.

[@brightsparkmid]

@@markhedley5952 the only reason the regs suggest this is because the RCD is for additional protection so rated at 30ma you can expect to get a larger amount of leakage from a car charger so with other circuits in use this may bring the total leakage close to the rated tripping current of the RCD Engendering judgment of the fact that the RCD is in a new build house, the charger will operate within off peak hours etc it will be more than suitable to install into this board As for double pole isolation this is provided by the 2 pole RCD module that is fitted to the board, Chance are that also the onboard 6ma RCD will trip before this does anyway, so will not affect other circuits

[@richardwalsh5882]

@@brightsparkmidnot quite true - it could actually blind a Type A RCD. The RDC-DD should prevent above 6mA of leakage being on the EVSE circuit - however if the RCD is illegally shared with other circuits then any additional DC leakage could bring the Type A RCCB beyond this point and saturate it.

[@jakegriffiths193]

You could have just done that with 6mm twin and earth

[@gavowassy7655]

Those bricks tho...

[@Cardetailingburnley]

I would lovfor you if you wante to help you and operate the camera if you want

[@noahthompson7559]

Damaging a new build is like complaining a fiat is unreliable "it left the factory like that mate"

[@roser16v]

There is some spare ways on main switch side. Should of installed on that side

[@mead6754]

That brickwork is dog rough shouldn't notice the blowout from the drilled hole

[@sparksoverhead5188]

Sounds cheap if the charger cost £700 as explained on other messages, the if you take the vat off 1020 that leave you with £116 for your time and rest of the materials

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Way too cheap, and as always it's a race to the bottom. On my last nic visit, he asked if I was doing any charge points, I answered no because people are doing them for next to nothing, he replied yeah I don't blame you.

[@rik061119]

I was assuming 1020 was + vat even still I don't see where the profit is. Materials were a out £750 all in and that's the cheapest I could see on a quick Google. The question is the content is probably more lucrative than the job at this point ?

[@acelectricalsecurity]

@@rik061119 yeah that could be the case but it just drags everyone else down, if someone is spending upwards of £40k on a battery car they can afford around £2k for a charge point. As I said before, if you want a like for like boiler swap you will be paying over £2k with a boiler coating a similar amount. When it comes to pricing electricians are idiots, they want to give everything away for peanuts.

[@davidryan6616]

Hammer 🧐🙂🇮🇪☘️

[@themackeler5011]

Take the hammer off , just the modern bricks are soft

[@traineespark]

Price including the zappi? 😂

[@Monahmed2086]

Adam, Adam & More Adam!

[@delspark]

Nice job I would of put the EV on its own rcbo personally and 40 a

[@electro2606]

Only the zappie ev charger cost 1000 euro here lol

[@tomorichard]

That’s far to cheap, can’t make money doing these jobs for that. Don’t fall into that trap

[@heladas90]

1. you can no longer install EV chargers on split load boards 2. Need its own double pole RCD/RCBO 3. Install evs on 6mm/40a breakers due to their sustained load at nearly 32a constantly

[@brightsparkmid]

There is a double Pole RCD It has to be individually supplied like it is Dose’t have to be 6mm at all ev ultra is 45a rated so is fine

[@stunicholson3921]

can with Zappi.

[@richardwalsh5882]

Way too cheap. Also sharing an RCD with other circuits is non-compliant - it must be a dedicated RCD.

[@jakebarrow2000]

Inc vat! Youre mad you must have earnt peanuts

[@snozzuk2]

turn off hammer, yes takes longer but you wont blow bricks

[@08001967]

lets talk seriously about the business side though its not adding up seems a bit desperate to work that hard and long for peanuts 1 install per 8 hr man day including travel is fair (on average) 300 notes per working day average if you are running a business (midlands) sales Price £1020 MATERIALS 700zappi + 150bits =850 Daily business overheads £100 (more if you rent a unit or advertise) Barely worth it? £50 wages some days? go bankrupt or be poor? OR Specialise Do 2 per long day pay a workmate minimum wage still earn fairly basic money for your hyper-focus and energy

[@michaeljarcher]

Nick can offset the price of the install a little for the KZbin video money machine, whilst maybe not day one, it's not a loss leader of a job. Also you would assume a good EV install is a word a mouth when you're not know for it. A slice of bread on the table is better than nothing at all.

[@avreclaim6469]

Zappi are just Junk... They shipped a pile of units with bits missing!!! There is only EV Sync or HyperVolt (Still good even now Raz has left) if you can poke up with tethered crap! The T&E has been about for 30 years in the Exhibition industry, Australia use this by default!!!!!